People Archetypal of Their Sign

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People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by By Jove » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:27 am

What people would you consider to be strong archetypes representing their sign and why?

Pisces
Albert Einstein
Charlie Chaplain
J.S. Bach
Franz Joseph Haydn
John Wilmot

Aries
Karl Marx
Robespierre
Lenin
Sigmund Freud

Taurus
D.A.F. Sade
Oswald Spengler
Walt Whitman
Bob Dylan

Gemini
Nicola Tesla
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Foucalt
Paul Morphy

Cancer
Helena Blavatsky
John Calvin
Carl Jung
Henry S. Olcott

Leo
Alexander the Great
Luis XIV
Goethe

Virgo
Samuel Johnson
Nietzsche
Thatcher
Eisenhower

Libra
Pierre Choderlos de Laclos
Arthur Rimbaud
Bram Stoker
Erasmus
Sylvia Plath

Scorpio
Martin Luther
Jonathan Swift
John Milton
Jim Morrison
Marina Abramovic

Sagittarius
Issac Newton
Stephen Hawking
Beethoven
Joseph Bologne de Saint-Georges

Capricorn
Mozart
Lewis Carroll
Charles Dickens
Janis Joplin

Aquarius
Charles Darwin
Abraham Lincoln
Bobby Fischer
Galileo
Copernicus

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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:39 am

Do you mean "archetypal," or do you mean "typical." The answers would be very different.
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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by By Jove » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:41 am

Archetypal, as in they represent their sign the best by having the most potent qualities of said sign.

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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by James Condor » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:44 am

I like the idea Jove.
Typical or archetypal is an interesting question or way to view things. Typical makes sense to me if the sign is more"pure" or evident. If I make a list, I would research to look for the purist of the sign. I will look for sun signs without any foreground planets or close/ hard aspects opposing or influencing the sign. This makes sense to me. For example, a Sagittarius with Saturn foreground would not be a typical Sagittarius. But all Sagittarius will have a common denominator, which would be the archetype.
Too much of a planets quality would really emphasize or pronounce. So a double Virgo with Mercury rising and Sun-Mercury would not be a typical Virgo. But then as an observer, I would not miss the enormous Mercury quality.
I notice a person's sun sign more when other chart factors make it so the sign is more obvious.
Ah, so the definition of.... I can be like, yeah your the spokesman of,... fill in the blank
I keep thinking of planets though, not so much signs, because the sign will show through no matter what.

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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by DDonovanKinsolving » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:18 pm

Cyril Fagan's advice on this matter was to select people with foreground unaspected Suns. I've seen this recently, so it was eitherin a "Solunars" in 1959-1960 or in 1966.

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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:06 pm

I disagree with that approach tamae since it puts in angular Sun quality into all the interpretations.
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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by DDonovanKinsolving » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:26 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:06 pm
I disagree with that approach tamae since it puts in angular Sun quality into all the interpretations.
That's an excellent point Mr. E. By_Jove seems to want the essence (correct me if I'm wrong Jove, since I don't want to presume your meaning) of the signs, independent of whatever planet is in it; a "pure" or basic meaning. But if a sign is empty (nor angular) it would seem to have no noticeable effect. It looks like we have a problem here, solvable only by astute observations factoring out the planets.

Thoughts & suggestions?

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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by By Jove » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:55 pm

DDonovanKinsolving wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:26 pm
Jim Eshelman wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:06 pm
I disagree with that approach tamae since it puts in angular Sun quality into all the interpretations.
That's an excellent point Mr. E. By_Jove seems to want the essence (correct me if I'm wrong Jove, since I don't want to presume your meaning) of the signs, independent of whatever planet is in it; a "pure" or basic meaning. But if a sign is empty (nor angular) it would seem to have no noticeable effect. It looks like we have a problem here, solvable only by astute observations factoring out the planets.

Thoughts & suggestions?

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I was simply thinking of people who best exemplified most qualities associated with a zodiac sign. I'll elaborate tomorrow if not tonight.

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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by By Jove » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:35 pm

For example:

Pisces
Haydn and Bach both exemplify the sign's musical and fecund nature. John Wilmot was a famous libertine, and most famous libertines were Pisces, Taurus, and Libra - in that order.

Aries
Marx and Lenin are typical of Aries dictatorship qualities. Freud hints at Aries' Pluto influence.

Taurus
Sade and Spengler exemplify Taurus in deep philosophy, and their understanding of the human body and the earth.

Gemini
Tesla was a mercurial extravert with versatile talents, and brilliant mental and scientific capability. Foucalt created a brilliant opus on psychology (a key factor with "air" signs), and de Saint-Exupéry's The Little Prince reveals Gemini's association with childhood and innocence.

Cancer
Blavatsky et al have a strong mystical and occult streak, and John Calvin was especially sectarian.

Leo
Do I really need to explain the grand, magnanimous, far-reaching nature of Alexander and Louis?

Virgo
Johnson and Nietzsche show Virgo's versatility with language and writing and language (similar to Gemini). Eisenhower demonstrates Virgo's aptitude in strategy in war.

Libra
De Laclos was the famous libertine who published Dangerous Liasons. Rimbaud, Plath, and Stoker all have shades of Libra's dark, saturnine side, while Erasmus shows the humaneness and sense of justice often found in Libra.

Scorpio
All the Scorpios are seismic earthquakes who profoundly changed the values of their respective cultures, like Aquarius. But unlike Aquarius, Scorpio's changes are more ambiguous and destructive. Jonathan Swift was especially defensive and secretive while Jim Morrison and Abramovic might as well be serpents in human form, but regardless they were all very aggressive and confrontational.

Sagittarius
Newton and Hawking both had totalizing grand scientific theories that cover all aspects of the universe, a very Sagittarius theme. Beethoven also exemplify Sagittarius nobility, elitism, and lofty ideals. Joseph Bologne had versatile skills in music and sports.

Capricorn
Mozart and Joplin reveal the puckish and musical qualities of Capricorn. Carrol and Dickens also exemplify Capricorn wit, as well as the saturnine restraint associated with the sign.

Aquarius
All the Aquarius people made seismic shifts to their cultures that advanced the human race. Unlike Scorpio, Aquarius has a great humane streak and a strong sense of progressive evolution. Copernicus and Galileo radically altered cosmology while advancing humanism. Darwin and Lincoln made huge progressive leaps for humanity; Darwin formulated the theory of evolution and Lincoln ended slavery in America.

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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by By Jove » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:37 pm

ADDENDUM:
This is not a zero sum game in that someone who exemplifies one sign cannot also exemplify another. For example with Moon signs; Nietzsche and Beethoven were both intensely Scorpio while Spengler and Abramovic were deeply Aquarius.

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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by mikestar13 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:02 am

We will always have something to factor out. An entirely empty sign has no significance in a chart. By way of analogy, the planets are the colored lights and the signs are the the stained glass windows they shine through, adding the sign's color to the planet's own. The angles are where the lights shine brightest and are easiest to see, and therefor discern their color. Aspects are interference patterns among multiple light sources, further complicating the picture. So if we know the Sun is "red" and Sun in Taurus is "orange", we can deduce that Taurus is "yellow". (Assigning colors arbitrarily for illustration, no symbolic association implied.) So If we consider foreground Sun unaspected in the signs, we will have to factor out "foreground Sun" but we won't have to factor out as much else. Trying to grasp the essence of a sign by selecting charts with nothing in that sign is rather like trying to discern the color of a window with no light shining through it.
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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by James Condor » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:05 am

Yes, maybe a endless approach or idea to follow, in that archetype will always show through to some degree. I get what Jove is getting at; I have been down that road and have lived similar experiences in seeing a sign in someone or in people. I remember thinking, oh man, that's it, I just saw it, I saw what astrology is saying. I saw Saturn in Libra, or I saw Pluto in Aries. It is like a personal discovery making me feel apart of something bigger.
But really, all people will show their archetype, sign, more or less. As a mental exercise or fun learning experience, I think it would be possible to narrow down individuals who are more pure or who embody more than less of the archetype by definition. I still wonder though if doing the study would be worthwhile.
So to take Jove's list, he isn't wrong in that the people were born in that sun sign, but I could research each individual he listed and find other planetary factors that interfere with the purity of their sun sign, therefore making his list less objective and more subjective. Basically there have to be criteria to agree on. An individual with Sun in Taurus, with Mars rising tightly, would not be the best example of purity.
Yes, as mikestar said, we will always have to deduce or factor out, but nothing is perfect. It comes down to actually risking to do the research. And if we think its worth it. I don't understand how a sign can be empty though, there has to be something, even nothing is something. Being born say, today, even with no close aspects or foreground planets, would not make a sign empty. Things are more or less, no absolute.
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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:17 am

I wasn't suggesting excluding "Sun in" - I was challenging the angular Sun idea.

There is an aphorism that has run around Sidereal circles since at least the '70s, that luminary signs are only important if the luminary is foreground. I think that's entirely wrong. Luminary signs are important always. I'll go so far as to say that they are the bedrock of who we each are. Angular planets show how we act, aspects show the interaction and mutual triggering of different drives or circuits, but the bedrock on which this is built is the pair of constellations holding Sun and Moon.
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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by James Condor » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:27 am

Good analogies Jim. That explains it all very accurate and brief.
I now feel I am wasting energy trying to reach or obtain something with no answer in this post. I have come to my own conclusion that I wouldn't find any purpose in finding the most pure of signs, because, it is beside the point and there would always be a better example. When it comes, it comes, no need to reach for it. I could make a list of planetary energies as opposed to signs. That would be more relevant and meaningful to me. Like, my mother has so many planets in Aries, so she is very Plutonian. I have a friend with sun and moon in Scorpio, so very martian. And so on.

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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by mikestar13 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:54 pm

Perhaps an idea might be to created three piles for each sign: unaspected Sun foreground, middleground, and background, and examine what traits seem consistent with different angularites. I would have been no more strongly Piscean had I been born at sunrise, though it might have been more immediately obvious on cursory examination.
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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:05 pm

I have never seen any indication that angularity of a luminary has any connection to how it's sign qualities manifest.

Yes, Sun can be in a sign AND angular. Similarly, Madonna can be a singer AND a mother, but neither has any connection to the other.
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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by Avshalom Binyamin » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:01 am

Yeah, it's kind of impossible to find a person who is a pure, unadulterated, quintessential expression of a sign. Humans are complex.

The realistic options are: find a non-human archetype who typifies the sign, or subjectively choose people who exemplify elements of the sign (as Jove did).

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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:25 am

I think another option is to ask people for descriptions of people they know who were born under that sign, and then let someone, maybe a Virgo, with some experience distilling generalities from specifics, generalize from those subjective descriptions, and see working from observation gets us.
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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by By Jove » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:45 pm

I will continue this thread, as suggested by Jupiter At Dawn. I will now list people who have both luminaries in a sign. That tends to make one pretty typical of their sign. I will list both famous people of history and modern celebrities.

Pisces (Neptune ruler, Venus exalted):
Gary Oldman
Emile Zola
Gustave Moreau
Marlon Brando

Oldman is a master actor well known for his chameleon-like ability to become anyone he wants. Zola was a bohemian artist and social critique. Moreau was a symbolist painter whose work contained biblical and mystical images. By contrast, Marlon Brando is famous for bringing realism to film acting.

Honorable Mentions: Heath Ledger for portraying the Joker. All "Four Horsemen", promoters of the New Atheist doctrine, have Sun in Pisces. Pisces Sun is most common among famous libertines, such as John Wilmot, 2nd Earl of Rochester.


Aries (Pluto ruler, Sun exalted):
Katharine Hepburn
Florence Nightingale
Karl Marx
Robespierre

Hepburn was well-known for her assertive presence in Hollywood. She constantly challenged herself to act better and rebelled against stereotypes of women at the time. Nightingale fearlessly rescued soldiers during the Crimean War and pioneered modern nursing. Marx and Robespierre were iconic revolutionaries who helped spearhead revolutions around the world.

Honorable Mentions: many iconic strong and despotic rulers had Sun in Aries; Lenin, Cromwell, Catherine the Great, Hitler, Saddam etc. Machiavelli is the most iconic writer of practical and ruthless politics.

Taurus (Venus ruler, Moon exalted):
Christopher Lee
John Keynes
David Rockefeller
Happy Rockefeller
Queen Victoria

All of the most prominent Taurus Suns have lived to a very old age, often with a gentle and graceful demeanor, and tended to have conservative politics. Likewise, their careers have varied throughout their long lives. Surprisingly, Taurus has very notable top financiers and economists, such as Keynes and the Rockefellers.

Honorable Mentions: Taurus Sun is second most common among famous libertines; the most notorious being Donatian Francois, the Marquis of Sade. Oswald Spengler was a profound and mystic philosopher whose huge chronicling of the world's culture and history deeply influenced modern philosophy. In both Sade and Spengler's works, the earth and nature are the most powerful and relevant symbols.

Gemini (Mercury ruler, Neptune exalted):
Jessica Simpson
Courtney Love
Harrison Ford
George Orwell

Jessica Simpson and Courtney Love (alongside Pamela Anderson) have most embody the modern American ideal of a blonde bombshell. On the other extreme, Harrison Ford heavily contributes to America's idea of a tough guy adventurer through the characters Indiana Jones and Han Solo. George Orwell is quite possibly the most famous journalist standing against totalitarian regimes.

Honorable Mentions: Pamela Anderson also embodies the modern American ideal woman. Julian Assange and Edward Snowden are the most famous of modern whistle-blowers against corruption and for democratic freedom. Antoine de Saint-Exupéry wrote the iconic Little Prince.

Cancer (Moon ruler, Jupiter exalted):
Victor Noir
Sophie Toscan du Plantier
Countess of Ségur
Jean Piaget

Victor Noir and Sophie du Plantier are most noted for their enigmatic deaths. There is a noticeable "child psychology" element with the writer Countess Segur and psychologist Jean Piaget.

Honorable Mentions: There is a heavy element of mysticism with Carl Jung and Huxley through their occult interests. Joan Rowling created the Harry Potter series, riddled with magic and ancient archetypes (and also with the "child psychology" element). Helena Blavasky was one of, if not the biggest, pioneer in theosophy. Elizabeth Báthory has a darker form of "child psychology", as she slew hundreds of young boys and girls to bathe in their blood.

Leo (Sun ruler):
Lyndon Johnson
B. B. King
Vincenzo Lancia
Leo Tolstoy

Most the Leos mentioned tend to be either very high profile (making themselves seen). If not outright egotistical, like Johnson and Tolstoy, they took great pains to make it clear, in no uncertain terms, that they are iconic founders of a business or group, such as Lancia.

Honorable Mentions: The most iconic and conquering "enlightened despots" were Leo Suns. Louis XIV (the Sun King himself), Napoleon I, and Alexander the Great all spread the "highest" cultures of their time across the globe through their conquests. This theme can even be seen with Lyndon Johnson with his involvement with Vietnam and other foreign affairs.

Virgo (Mercury ruler):
Sting
Bruce Springsteen
Martin Heidegger
Genghis Khan

Sting and Bruce Springsteen are both musicians with boundless energy and a very large and diverse opus - even by rock musicians standards! - and freely mixed many different genres together. Genghis Khan was a brilliant military tactician, much like Dwight Eisenhower. Heidegger is an exception from the norm, as Virgo Suns are low among lofty philosophers involved in large abstract ideas. Virgo Sun tends to be very hands on and technical in approach.

Honorable Mentions: Astrotheme gives a heavy dearth of athletes, more than any other zodiac sign search so far. Dwight Eisenhower is the modern icon of a brilliant military leader. Like Taurus, the most famous Virgo Sun writers, such as Anthony Daniels, tend to be politically conservative.

Libra (Venus ruler, Saturn exalted):
Katy Perry
Thandie Newton
Ryan Reynolds
Jessica Lowndes
Bram Stoker

Katy Perry and Thandie Newton are, among many Libra Sun female stars, are feminist icons in popular culture. Ryan Reynolds is one of many Libra Sun ladies men and Jessica Lowndes is an icon of teen dramas. Bram Stoker popularized Dracula and the vampire genre, which itself is a very romantic (Venus) and saturnine (Saturn) genre with a huge appeal to teenagers.

Honorable Mentions: Leonardo DiCaprio and Ryan Gosling are archetypal ladies men. Anne Hathaway marked her early career in teen dramas and movies, and is still strongly associated with that genre. Hillary Clinton, Georgia O'Keefe, Zaha Hadid are icons strongly associated with feminism and social justice. Neil Gaiman is noted for his dark and twisted Sandman series. Alan Moore and Alex Grey, Scorpio Suns with heavy Libra elements, are noted for their mysticism. Libra Sun is third most common among famous libertines, such Pierre Choderlos de Laclos, famous writer of Dangerous Liaisons.

Scorpio (Mars ruler, Uranus exalted):
Scarlett Johanson
Joan Didion
Tom Hulce
Lucky Luciano
Ted Bundy

Scarlett Johanson is one of the most prominent femme fatale archetypes with her depiction of the Black Widow. Astrotheme gives many prominent female writers and journalists, such as Joan Didion. Tom Hulce is most noted for portraying three diverse and striking characters despite his relatively small output: Larry "Pinto" Kroger, Mozart, and Quasimodo. Lucky Luciano created modern organized crime and the National Crime Syndicate while Ted Bundy is one of the most iconic serial killers of all time.

Honorable Mentions: Scorpio Suns were most involved in creating the modern satanic archetype: Vondel, Milton, Blake, and Twain. Also, see Spinoza and Nietzsche (Scorpio Moon), philosophers regarded as especially heretical. Taylor Swift and Brittany Spears are well known femme fatales in popular culture, while Bette Midler, Margaret Cho, and Sarah Silverman are "fag hags" noted for their unfeminine and offensive behavior. Surprisingly, like with Taurus Suns, we have powerful Scorpio Sun financiers, mainly Andrew Carnegie, Ben Bernanke, and Jim Yong Kim.

Sagittarius (Jupiter ruler, Pluto exalted):
Derrick Jensen
Woodrow Wilson
William James
Prince Albert Victor
Christina of Sweden
Mary Somerville

Derrick Jensen is a radical anarcho-primativist. Opposite of your typical Sagittarius Sun, he is completely against civilization. Woodrow Wilson has probably the most academic background of all the U.S. presidents, and was key to creating modern American racism. William James was the first professor to teach psychology in university. Prince Albert Victor travelled the world extensively as a naval cadet but died before fighting any battles. Christina of Sweden also lived a various life. Mary Somerville was the first female member of the Royal Astronomical Society, alongside Caroline Herschel (Pisces Sun, a Jupiter ruled sign in classic astrology).

Honorable Mentions: Sagittarius Suns Isaac Newton and Stephen Hawking are both noted for creating "theories of everything", universal mathematical laws applied to the entire cosmos. Sagittarius Suns are exceptionally large among iconic musicians over many genres such as Elvis Presley, David Bowie, and Marlyn Manson. The most famous of modern prophets, Nostradamus, was a Sagittarius Sun. The current Pope as I write this post is also a Sagittarius Sun.

Capricorn (Saturn ruler, Mars exalted)
Baba Vanga
Angela Davis
Roberta Flack
Elizabeth Blackwell
Charles V of France
Anti-Christ

Baba Vanga was a blind Bulgarian mystic who lived to old age in isolation most of her life. Angela Davis and Roberta Flack are activists who were prominent in the struggle for black civil rights. Elizabeth Blackwell was notable as the first woman to receive a medical degree in the United States, and to be on the UK Medical Register. All four women lived to a ripe old age. Charles V of France, known as Charles the Wise, prudently ruled his turbulent kingdom, replenishing the royal treasury and created the first permanent army in France. The Anti-Christ was supposedly born on February 5, 1962; fitting as Capricorn is the Sabbatical Goat, the emblem of paganism and nature worship, and thus enemy of Christianity.

Honorable Mentions: We see a similar independent bad boy nature in Mohammad Ali, Janis Joplin, and even Al Capone, while Michelle Obama and Martin Luther King are powerful emblems of black civil rights. Like with Cancer Sun, you see a similar "child psychology" theme through the brilliant Charles Dickens and Lewis Carrol. Rasputin gives Baba Vanga a run for her money in resilience, eccentricity, and mysticism.

Aquarius (Uranus ruler):
Sybil Leek
Buffalo Bill
Bruce Forsyth
Jean-Baptiste Morin
George Frideric Handel

Sybil Leek was a prominent astrologer, occultist, and psychic, who wrote a large body of work on occult subjects. We can see a strong "entertainment motif" one doesn't often associate with Aquarius with the stuntman Buffalo Bill and comedian of seventy years Bruce Forsyth. Jean-Baptiste Morin was a famous mathematician, astrologer, and astronomer in the 16th and 17th century while George Frideric Handel was a composer famous for his crystalline harmonies and pure melodies.

Honorable Mentions: Perhaps the most prominent people who helped expand the human mind and help us evolve, often through the sciences, were Aquarius Suns: especially Copernicus, Galileo, Darwin, and Lincoln. The most frequent number of cosmologists, mathematicians, and physicists tend to be Aquarius Suns and Sagittarius Suns. Among chess grandmasters, Aquarius Suns are the most frequent, including none other than Bobby Fischer himself, perhaps the most iconic chess player of all time.
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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:58 pm

Interesting compilation. Since I have the search structure in place for other work I'm doing, here are some doubles that I have on file among famous people in each constellation:

TAURUS: King Charles II, King Geporbe I, Queen Victoria, John Maynard Keynes, Brooke Shields, Kylie Minogue, John Edwards, Christopher Lee, Steffi Graf

GEMINI: Calvin Coolidge, Cecil Rhodes, Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, Harrison Ford, Ross Perot, Igor Stravinsky, Stephen Foster

CANCER: Herbert Hoover, Martin Sheen

LEO: Lyndon Johnson, Thomas Eagleton, Martha Raye, Robert Redford

VIRGO: Queen Elizabeth I, William Faulkner, Arthur Schlesinger Jr., Lech Walesa, Bruce Springsteen, Peter Finch, George Zimmerman

LIBRA: Whoopi Goldberg, Ennio Morricone, Karl Weierstrass

SCORPIO: King George VI, Rock Hudson, Danny DeVito, Ted Bundy, Erik Menendez

SAGITTARIUS: Crown Prince Albert Victor, Henri Matisse, Ian Brady, Floyd Patterson, Annie Lennox, Tracy Ullman

CAPRICORN: Piero di Cosimo, Rupert Gleadow, John Henry Mackay, Cary Grant, Gene Hackman, Gamal Abdul Nasser, Havelock Ellis, Jeb Bush, Sarah Palin

AQUARIUS: Alfred Witte, Maurice Ravel, Toni Morrison

PISCES: Algernon Swinburne, Emile Zola, Marlon Brando, Rodney King

ARIES: Maximilian Robespierre, Karl Marx, Leopold Stokowski, Stewart Granger, Susan Atkins, John Paul Stevens
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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by Venus_Daily » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:15 pm

Kelly Price: Pisces
Although she may seem a bit obscure in the realm of Western Sidereal Astrology, she rose to fame singing songs about betrayal. Kelly even sang a great duet with R&B diva Whitney Houston about romantic betrayal called "The Heartbreak Hotel". I believe she's still on reality TV but once she branched out and tried her hand at a more varied appeal, she kind of faded into obscurity.
She used to be very obese, and in an interview, she claimed that she kept the weight on for so long because she believed she was betraying herself by losing it.

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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:36 pm

Venus_Daily wrote:
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Kelly Price: Pisces
Wow, that' commitment to a brand! :)

I'm not sure she's a double Pisces, though. Odds are against it. She was born April 4, 1973, in Queen. Moon entered Aries about 1 AM that day, so, unless she was born in the first hour ofthe day, she is a Pisces-Aries.

She's blessed with a close Sun-Venus conjunction in Pisces, powered and soul-infused by a Mars-Jupiter conjunction in Capricorn, and probably slowed down by a Mercury-Saturn square.
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Post by Danica » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:42 pm

Jim, in 144 So-Lu combinations you list Anne Frank as Taurus-Taurus - is this a typo?
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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:45 pm

Danica wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:42 pm
Jim, in 144 So-Lu combinations you list Anne Frank as Taurus-Taurus - is this a typo?
Yes, it is. It should be Taurus-Leo. (Remember, I wanted to delete that thread because I knew it was grossly incomplete and untended, and you rescued it :) )
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Re: People Archetypal of Their Sign

Post by Danica » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:08 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:45 pm
Danica wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:42 pm
Jim, in 144 So-Lu combinations you list Anne Frank as Taurus-Taurus - is this a typo?
Yes, it is. It should be Taurus-Leo. (Remember, I wanted to delete that thread because I knew it was grossly incomplete and untended, and you rescued it :) )
And I'm very glad I did :D
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