Birth Natal Chart Reading 2023

[Element]

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This is my birth chart,if anyone want to give a read,fine.

[Jim Eshelman]

Hi, Element. That's a Tropical chart, so nobody here will read that directly. To make things easier for anyone who wants to answer, I'll give the birth data you gave earlier: September 20 1986, 5:25 AM EEDT, Thessaloniki, Greece. (You're still living at your birthplace, correct?)

In response to your request, I don't remember if I ever did a general workup on your natal chart. I'll do this in the next few minutes and post it in the next comment. (These are just pieces of your birth chart, but give a start in having a conversation about the whole of it.)

[Jim Eshelman]

These notes on your Sidereal Natal Horoscope are provided for your reference and study. They are not a full interpretation of your birth chart. Rather, they are building blocks from which a full interpretation can be built. Each factor below contributes to your character. The paragraphs may repeat or contradict each other (we all have contradictions). While it does not take an astrologer to fuse these factors into a balanced picture of you and your life, it does require knowledge of human behavior and how we support and sabotage ourselves. Your astrologer can help you in this life-long undertaking of knowing yourself. Read these notes slowly: Feel your way through the interweaving ideas, reflecting on what you know of yourself.

Character is destiny. Who you are determines the life that is yours to unfold. “Know thyself” is the key.

The paragraphs are brief. We have sought to pack in everything essential, to use few words to imply much more. Not every phrase will apply, of course. Some will be more important than others; but the gist of each section should clearly reflect truth about you. When you have spent time with this and have new questions, consult your astrologer to discuss them.

Saturn and Mars are your strongest planets. You are a Virgo with a Piscean style.

Saturn on Nadir (0°01’)
INDEPENDENCE, RESERVE, STRUGGLE. Needs to be independent, self-sufficient, self-reliant, private. Survival instincts drive much of the behavior. Industrious, conscientious, methodical, driven (works hard). Struggle (hardship especially in youth, struggle for security, burdensome life demands, or struggling on others' behalf): some are beaten down, most gain strength and endurance. Cautious, prudent, emotionally reserved and careful (may shut others out). Strong parent themes.
More detail: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=38#p188

Moon in Pisces
Distinctive characters: actors in a personal legend (oriented and secure within its familiarity). Satiates senses, excites imagination, fascinated with the unknown and enchanting (explorers), relishes having a secret side. Seeks storybook relationships. Faith (spiritual), optimism, inspiring, motivating, yet haunted. Aesthetic, drawn to the fanciful. Music, artistic. Eros vs. morality.
More detail: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=34&p=153#p153

Moon octile Saturn (0°08’)
Proud, self-made. Hardworking, persistent, self-driving. Usually emotionally reserved, private. Seeks to control situations and relationships. Parent issues (nourishment-deprivation). Judgmental, intolerant, distrustful, resisting. Can be pessimistic, feeling inferior, anxious, depressed.

Moon trine Uranus (0°51’)
Intellectually rebellious, roving, curious, inquiring. Not wholly comfortable with outside guidance. Original, futuristic, needing variety. Free-spirited: psychologically lives outside convention. Subject to tensions, emotional stress.

Moon square Mars (1°13’)
Active and reactive, temperamental, thinks and acts rapidly, restless. Driven, competent, ambitious. Impatient, acerbic, irritable. Frank and sharp-tongued (hence friction in close relationships). Needs physical, emotional, and mental “room to breathe” (little domestic instinct). Substance abuse not uncommon. Sexual needs are strong, almost irrepressible.

Sun in Virgo
Curious, mentally sharp, strategic, tactical, analytical, logical, scrutinizing, encyclopedic, preserves information. Favors trees over forest. Bashful yet brazen. Respectful, tolerant, sociable, serious. Courageous in word and deed. Service-minded, conscientious. Active toward social progress (rarely radical). Androgynous traits.
More detail: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=35#p160

Sun octile Uranus (3°25’ M)
Go their own way, unapologetically following their own paths, persuaded that they are a special case. Easily bored. Loves freedom: bows to no outside authority. Progressive, future-oriented, uninhibited by convention. Self-perspective usually founded in objectivity.

Mars in Sagittarius
Passionate beliefs and interests (moral courage). Idealist foremost (yet pragmatic). Sincere, devoted, studious (what seems like diligence is really love or zeal for a subject). Innovative, ambitious, strategic, exacting. Generous and encouraging expanding others' worlds. Thrives in vintage styles. Branded social identities (air of mystery or fantasy). Often identified with ideologies, -ists, & -isms.

Mars octile Saturn (0°01’)
Struggle marks these lives (from prejudice or early hardship). Hardened, tough survivors, self-sufficient, seeking control. Some accept the hardship and focus on “getting through;” some act meek, unthreatening; others overcompensate as bullies (feelings of weakness, shame, inadequacy). Conflicts with authority. Serious, reserved, cautious about enthusiasms.

Mercury in Virgo
Curious, observant, methodical, analytical. Quiet, almost soft-spoken, good-natured (maybe too passive). To-the-point communication (journalist). Logical, strategic: Wants the facts before deciding, considers all sides.

Mercury square Neptune (1°09’ M)
Dreamers, storytellers. Can enthuse, enroll, and convince someone of almost anything. Hyper-responsive to environment and perceptions, extreme sensitivity to sense impressions (may include psychism). Magnifies trivialities, fixates on particulars (often perfectionists); thus, often uncanny memories. Loves puzzle- or problem-solving, often in fantasy modelling; gets much pleasure and psychological relief from fantasied problem solving. However, commonly avoids real problems by obsessing over fantasy problems. Many adapt readily to systematized thought modes of math and science.

Venus in Libra
Social graces (courteous, polite, approachable, entertaining). Desires romantic partnership (its absence is a wound hard to heal). Requires and gets loyalty and faithfulness. Sexual extremes of indulge-gratify or deny-withhold. Secretive (closeted) about sex life except in an established relationship. Acclimates to imperfect circumstances, can “make things work.”

Venus conjunct Pluto (3°32’ M)
Instinctively rejects arbitrary (moral and other) values on love, sex, art (may inadvertently challenge social codes). “All or nothing” intimacy: In human connection, the feeling is, “go cosmic or go home.” Seeks deep connection (sometimes overwhelming intimates) or withdraws from others innocently (or due to rebuke and exclusion). Few intimates: most are of unfiltered intensity. Sexual development may come late (adolescent social rituals seem perplexingly arbitrary). Eruptive trouble in relationships. Can be commandingly charismatic.

JUPITER
Jupiter square Uranus (1°56’)
Mind interested in and well-suited to science, philosophical inquiry, and self-inquiry (knack for astrology). Success through unlikely paths (likely to succeed and distinguish themselves). Committed to progress, instinct for exceptionalism. Ingenuity, insight (sees outside the usual maps, pathways, and systems; thinks on a broader scale). Respectful while unbeholden to artificial rank, class, or caste (it is unimportant to them); gently resists authority (conflict with authority), speaks truth to power, stands against injustice, egalitarian (social activist).

[Jim Eshelman]

Regarding future trends, here is a look at the most important.

As you know (as we discussed last year), your "birthday chart" (Solar Return) for the year beginning 20 September 2022 was really rough. Saturn was the strongest factor. Though your Venus was rising, Saturn squared it: We knew in advance it would be an emotionally hard, disappointing year requiring you to work hard, with lots of demands, etc. if you were at birthplace for your birthday.

This next year will be kinder. It suggests LOTS of change. It isn't entirely easy - there will be struggles to face (especially emotionally) - and you won't necessarily be kind to yourself. (The world will treat you better than you treat yourself.) But the overall impression is DEFINITELY more positive than last year. Here is the breakdown of the chart:

t Venus on Dsc -4°53'
t Pluto on Asc -0°37'
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t Uranus on IC +1°43'
r Mars on Asc +2°42'

t Moon-Saturn sq 2°10'

t Uranus sq r Mars 0°59' M

Notice that you don't have last year's Saturn (or its square to your Venus) but does have transiting Venus strong. The hard part is the Moon-Saturn square.


Separate from your Solar Return, the most important thing in your chart is Neptune's transit opposite your Sun. I told you about this last year: It marks about two years when the major life experience (the major developmental step) starts with dissolving your sense of who you are and where you're going in life. (That is: People under this aspect tend to stop having any certainty about who they are and where they're going.) I know this feels pretty unbearable to you, yet we need this sort of thing sometimes (tend to emerge from it with greater clarity and refreshed purpose). The major time of your Neptune-Sun transit is approximately April of this year through February 2025 (almost two years).

The most emotionally challenging, discouraging periods are likely to be when crosses your Descendant and squares your Midheaven. You're already in this phase (you've been through a lot of these Saturn transits this year). Saturn will return to square Midheaven late October through November. It will cross your Descendant in January. For most people (especially with strong Uranus-Pluto in the Solar Return) I'd say this is just a time of a lot of work and maybe starting to say good-bye to some things in preparation for big change. (We never get BIG CHANGE without saying good-bye to some things - never get a NEW LIFE without surrendering the old one.) I'm more concerned for you because of how you have described your psychological condition: Saturn on your angle (as it has been all summer) while Neptune is opposite your Sun can be very hard emotionally: You should be in therapy right now, or otherwise having a strong emotional support system of someone who will call you on your wrong ideas.

The Saturn-Descendant transit is also Saturn square your Saturn. This is always a turning point, a time when we face the limits we've placed on ourselves and have to struggle with them (and hopefully give some of them up to make more room in life to move about and do new things).


So... these transits sound rough. (They are.) But they occur under a Solar Return that has two planets angular that mean MAJOR CHANGE AND RENOVATION in your life - breaking things up, going a new direction - plus one benefic planet (Venus). That's better than last year's return!

You have a nice Moon-Venus progression in two months (November) which should ease some of the psychological stress (perhaps giving you that support system you need).

[Element]

Hi,i'm sorry i posted a wrong chart.🥴

Well,i'm optimistic you read about a more positive year than the previous one.

About mental health,yeah,i'm on therapy from july and still continue,i will join next week a group therapy which will be the road to healing,cure,treatment of mental health issues,it's the third therapist i try as two previous failed to deliver me serious and quality help.

From mid 2020 it was an emotional hell for me and till now i'm fighting to recover and get some balance in life,from restrictions of covid,from negative gossipers,slandering and betraying to workplace,from issues with a bad boss and bad company.Sandess from then still exist,emotional hurt was a big hit back then,i feel angry cause i was weak to face all this.

My parents weren't supportive,father is strict and cold,mother bossy and overcritical,with conflicts,still remain same as described.

Career improved in some way,not something so good still but at least i get a better program and more money than before,i have some free time for rest i need.However degree exams failed.

Financially,i'm stable and waiting next month to extend my contract with company.

Still struggling with lack of friends and relationships,this turning into anxiety sometimes,i worry about life in general,if will make it to succeed in life.Loneliness really is hard and rough,as it seems to be chronic.

I fear changes,i feel more comfortable to know i am in a known and safe enviroment.

[Jim Eshelman]

I fear changes,i feel more comfortable to know i am in a known and safe enviroment.

Understood. Change can be scary.

And, yet, you want your life to change. (This is the main thing you write about: You want your life to change.) That's your dilemma, I think: You want a new life, but don't want anything to change.

Life doesn't get better if the circumstances remain the same. Instead, life stays the same.

[Element]

I want a better life but i fear to face the challenges and go for major life changes,due to fear of uknown circumstances.

Yeah,i think i have done some small steps forward,at least i have tried even if didn't worked sometimes.I keep the positive reading overall.Group Therapy will help somehow i suppose.

Also have fear will remain single,without soulmate or family,without friends or people that care about me.

[Jim Eshelman]

I hope you have a happy birthday and a surprisingly good year!

[Element]

I hope you have a happy birthday and a surprisingly good year!

[Element]

From Feb 2023 my physical health(expect mental health) is not going so well,i count a fainting episode unexpected,five chin stitches with a visible scar,two infections in last six months,one respiratory infection(no covid there),last two years fighting with overweight with high cholesterol value and can't easily lose pounds,i got hashimoto disease and trying to normalize it with thyroxine therapy.I'm trying to boost my immune system with vitamins,some nutrition and stuff,but when i started again to lose some of the weight slowly,then got infected and now i have to wait till two weeks to pass so to get out of this suffering,i feel like someone cursed me without reason.


My house of health how is it this period and till december?

[Jim Eshelman]

I'm sorry to hear all that. (There's a lot of that going around.)

We knew in advance that your September 2 lunar return would be rougher than usual. It's main features were Saturn 0° from MC and Neptune 0°59 from the Zenith. Unfortunately, that pair can e very debilitating. Furthermore, the Neptune was exactly opposite your Sun (health and vitality) and seems to have eroded it. Natal Saturn and Neptune were also prominent, so it was overall a Saturn-Neptune-tinged month.

Your new (September 30) lunar return lightens this a lot. Some similar planets are angular, but not VERY angular. (For example, both Saturns are moderately strong.) Moving from a chart with close, strong indications to one with milder, wider indications looks like an "aftermath" - getting better as the acute symptoms relax. (The strongest planet is transiting Uranus which indicates change and increased freedom.)

The Hashimoto's is unfortunate, but also interesting. I recently published a survey of autoimmune diseases including Hashimoto's. While there was no consistent pattern with this specific disease, there was a tendency for Moon afflictions (as in most autoimmune diseases) and a focus on the throat as a vulnerable body area (e.g., a surprising number of Scorpio Moons). You do indeed have an afflicted Moon (close Moon-Mars square) suggesting more vulnerability to inflammation and to having the immune system turn on itself somehow (Moon corresponds to the immune system) as in an autoimmune disease. (I'm forgetting... did you also say you are diabetic?) I don't see the throat emphasis unless your PRECISELY angular Saturn being in Scorpio is a factor.

I hope they are able to bring this under control quickly. Don't neglect getting treatment. It seems Neptune's transit to your Sun is working out in terms of health and you are right to suggest a psychological tie-in to this.

I hope things lighten up with the new, less acute lunar return tomorrow.

[Element]

I'm not diabetic,but my doctor warned that should try to lose 4-5kg next months so to get out of pre-diabet stadium and be safe.

I got already treatment as yesterday went to family's doctor and started defence with algofren,trebon,multivitamins so to fight back the infection/inflammation before it gets worse.

I continue group psychotherapy,it goes well and therapist looks good to me,i think it will help me to get out of psych issues at some point as the disorder and its symptoms are difficult to cured from one day to another.

Ι got hurt emotionally from some people behavior back in 2020 and still cannot get out to think of some of the past things,behaviors and decisions are made.

[Element]

When you see to get out of the current job of guard,is any chance next year to change job,it's too stressful sometimes for me and i'm getting into anxiety.

I'm in group therapy,i will try to overcome my fears and insecurities but it's tough.

[Element]

Also,i'm started gym last month,i really struggle to keep a plan and lose overweight,last 2 years it's difficult to do that,even if i'm in treatment for thyroid and stopped long ago drugs.

Why now it seems to me so hard when at past i have lose overweight with success?

[Element]

Man,sometimes i feel social anxiety,in workplace and this cannot be hided from my face,i fear will make false or wrong and then will get punishment from company.

[Jim Eshelman]

Man,sometimes i feel social anxiety,in workplace and this cannot be hided from my face,i fear will make false or wrong and then will get punishment from company.

Good-morning (or, in Greece, good-afternoon), Element. All of this has to be hard. The long-term period (a couple of years) that I've mentioned before is the two-year Neptune transit opposite your Sun. However, RIGHT NOW you have the Saturn transit that is going with this - Saturn square MC. (I've mentioned before how Saturn is going back and forth across your angles for many weeks / a few months.)

My own local Ascendant is connected to your Midheaven degree so I'm getting the Saturn transit, too: Saturn is slowly backing through the sixth degree of Aquarius and will become stationary (seem to stop in place) early November, then come back across. I have this happening in the midst of otherwise good charts and it's strenuous (but manageable). You, however, have this with otherwise tough charts, so I know it's rough on you.

I suggest you persevere (that's a GOOD Saturn trait). Keep working on your therapy, keep breathing (learn breathing and stress release exercises if you don't know them), keep sorting objective fact from the other ideas that arise in your mind... you will develop new skills as you go.

For the next week, Mars crosses your Pluto issue. Anger issues are likely to erupt. These may just originate in how your body feels - almost have nothing to do with actual circumstances. (Or, if there are genuinely angering circumstances, it will make them worse.) Diet affects this a lot, especially blood-sugar levels and the amount of carbohydrate in your diet. Just be forewarned, power struggles and anger issues (especially around issues of other people trying to make you do things you don't want to do) are going to be more common for about a week. Pay attention to this and you should be able to navigate around it.

[Element]

generalized anxiety disorder for job and for life in general,i think i not going to get out easily from this,therapy and diet wont do much in this area.

[Jim Eshelman]

generalized anxiety disorder for job and for life in general,i think i not going to get out easily from this,therapy and diet wont do much in this area.

This is a particularly tough period with the combined Neptune and Saturn. Do what you can with the suggestions above and other ideas you have on your own.

How was the Mars-Pluto this last week?

[Element]

How was the Mars-Pluto this last week?

It was a tired and stressful week,i had some difficulties at workplace as i lack knowledge still to so some stuff.

Home life is with parents...so it is uncomfortable.

[Element]

Also,got just a 2 months contract extension at job,no stable indefinite employment contract so far from company.

[Element]

Ι face struggles to lose overweight last 2-3 years,i'm fat 12kg up normal,i'm dissapointed.

[Element]

Is a possible way to do karma cleanse,do you know to suggest any method about this?

[Jim Eshelman]

Is a possible way to do karma cleanse,do you know to suggest any method about this?

That would be outside my expertise.

[Element]

That would be outside my expertise.

Alright,nevermind,will search info in general.I'm interested to see another view,from palmistry side,chinese astrology view.Sidereal readings were accurate too.

I'm sorry if i'm asking much,it's just the anguish of when will get out of the deadlocks i'm in.

[Jim Eshelman]

The difficult transits (as discussed with you over the last year or so) will last another one to two years. The acute Saturn add-on to the Neptune will last through about February.

[Element]

The difficult transits (as discussed with you over the last year or so) will last another one to two years. The acute Saturn add-on to the Neptune will last through about February.

Will do patience and will try to fight back the obstacles,i'm since last june into psychotherapy with a good therapist i think,i'm paying this alone with a basic salary i have,no help from family,parents and they don't know it actually that i'm doing this.

[Element]

Well,look,i have a mountain to climb as my first part of life was wasted time and ruined.

The current situation,

Mental Health,a personality disorder and mental health issues to resolve,i really feel tired of this and out of energy
Personal life,no friendships,no relationships,no prospects of a marriage,still in parents house,only loneliness and sadness
Career,failed deliver and success to studies,improving skills,basic job,small salary
Financials,i earned some money but not enough yet to get out of parents house and buy my own new car for example


But as you said above,2025 will start to take my life back and feeling the changes.