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Major Move

Post by Ethan FM » Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:39 am

Hi everyone. I'm Ethan and I am new here after being directed from Bowser's site (Thanks Colleen!). I am a new student in his course, but find there is much to learn here also.

I still remember my mother's red copy of Fagan's The Solunars Handbook on the shelf but I was too young to make sense of it, and it is since lost. Regardless, I inherited a basic use of the Sidereal Zodiac in my personal astrology since the 1980s, but never looked into learning more about it (and boy, there much more to it than I thought!).

At any rate, I wanted to seek input on a planned major relocation: Will it go well, or poorly?

Birth data: October, 4, 1971, 3:45 PM, Ojai, CA (birth certificate)
Present location: Seattle, WA
Planned relocation: September, 26, 2022, Cork, Ireland

I ask mainly because I have yet to settle on a house system that rings true, having used Koch forever and recently tried Equal MC, and not sure if Uranus is transiting my 3rd or 4th House at this point, and well, it seems important to the question. Poking around here there seems many other ways to consider the question. So I look forward to any input.

Thank you!
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Re: Major Move

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:20 pm

Ethan, welcome to Solunars! (You're working out of Ken's interpretation workbook? It's a great tool.)
I ask mainly because I have yet to settle on a house system that rings true, having used Koch forever and recently tried Equal MC, and not sure if Uranus is transiting my 3rd or 4th House at this point, and well, it seems important to the question.
I don't place any credence at all on transits through houses, so I don't think that's a factor. (A transit to a planet in a house maybe... but not simply through a house. Too much "nothing is happening that matches this.") Nonetheless, one would expect that Uranus' transit of your Nadir (lower square to Asc, now behind you) and of your IC would be suggestive of the kind of restlessness and uprooting that would go with this idea. Did the idea of a move perhaps settle in as Uranus was making the square between April '21 and February '22? That would make sense.
Ethan Forney-McMahon wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:39 am
At any rate, I wanted to seek input on a planned major relocation: Will it go well, or poorly?

Birth data: October, 4, 1971, 3:45 PM, Ojai, CA (birth certificate)
Present location: Seattle, WA
Planned relocation: September, 26, 2022, Cork, Ireland
By the time of your planned move, Saturn will have cleared your Mars, though it will still cross your EP in January and square your MC a little later - so there may be some tough months, adjusting and accommodating, etc. Jupiter crossing your Moon soon after that (in March) looks like a high spot, a kind of "rescue" and can be a feeling of being "home," and you have a lot of Jupiter transits (to your Virgo planets) November through April so - on first impression - it looks like amidst some difficulties you'll do pretty well and have a great time (Jupiter to Pluto, Mercury, Sun, Uranus as you settle in, and to Venus soon after).

Presuming this is a long-term move, one good signal is that progressed Sun is a degree and a half from Jupiter. In another nine months you'll start feeling a two-year run of that progression, which is quite positive.

If you were in Seattle on your last birthday, the chart shows some wandering in circles, maybe some wanderlust or looking to be enchanted by something or other, and then a lot of working to handle practical business. (If you're relocating internationally, that's probably been necessary so I don't deserve any credit for figuring that out.)

Your new SSR will arrive soon after you arrive and, cast for Cork, it probably isn't very useful - partly because it's got SO MUCH happening and partly because its clearest messages are mostly what we'd expect from your Moon. It has eight transiting planets and six natal planets foreground, seven close Moon aspects and 22 other close foreground conjunctions, oppositions, and squares. That's a lot! Here is a breakdown of those factors from TMSA:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Ma 17Vi49'08" 00N41 +39'23" 192°06' 04S27 265°00' - 1°45' 178°15'  99% F
Me 26Vi57'46" 03S10 -55'06" 199°08' 11S30 255°10' - 3°02' 176°51'  97% F
Mo 24Le08'27" 04N55 +13°58' 172°00' 08N48 289°00' - 3°28' 176°20'  96% F
Ve 01Sc58'36" 02S26 + 1°06' 234°07' 21S52 221°26' + 6°23' 189°36'  77% F
Ne 26Aq11'55" 01S10 - 1'32" 352°25' 04S33 106°08' + 6°38' 353°05'  87% F
Ur 18Ar56'43" 00S25 - 1'59"  41°39' 15N38  54°51' - 6°07'   7°28'  85% F
Pl 29Sg16'31" 01S39 - 0'04" 296°32' 22S53 163°38' +13°42' 319°09'  84% F
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                            Radical Planets                             
Ve 26Vi56'01" 00N57 + 1°15' 200°40' 07S40 256°17' + 0°56' 180°57' 100% F
Ur 19Vi25'08" 00N38 + 0°04' 193°33' 05S07 263°27' - 1°22' 178°37'  99% F
Me 13Vi51'56" 01N27 + 1°47' 188°45' 02S12 269°02' - 2°02' 177°58'  99% F
Su 16Vi41'51" 00N00 + 0°59' 190°48' 04S38 265°55' - 2°42' 177°18'  98% F
Mo 22Pi56'04" 04N35 +15°20'  14°48' 11N17  78°41' + 5°28' 354°25'  92% F
Pl 05Vi38'21" 15N39 + 0°02' 186°58' 14N04 280°32' + 9°39' 189°48'  85% F
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    Class 1 Aspects    
tMo co tMe 00°31' 99% M
tMo co tMa 01°54' 93% M
tMo op tNe 02°03' 92%  
tMe co tMa 01°23' 96% M                                                 
tMe sq tPl 02°19' 90%                                                   
tVe op tUr 02°07' 91% M                                                 
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tMo op rMo 01°55' 93% M                                                 
tMo co rSu 00°58' 98% M                                                 
tMo co rMe 01°38' 95% M                                                 
tMo co rUr 02°17' 90% M                                                 
tMe op rMo 02°26' 89% M                                                 
tMe co rSu 00°27'100% M                                                 
tMe co rMe 01°07' 98% M                                                 
tMe co rVe 00°02'100%                                                   
tMe co rUr 01°46' 94% M                                                 
tVe co rPl 00°13'100% M                                                 
tMa co rSu 00°57' 98% M                                                 
tMa co rMe 00°17'100% M                                                 
tMa co rVe 02°42' 86% M                                                 
tMa co rUr 00°23'100% M                                                 
tUr op rPl 02°20' 89% M                                                 
tNe co rMo 01°20' 97% M                                                 
tPl sq rVe 02°21' 89%                                                   
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rMo op rSu 02°53' 84% M                                                 
rSu co rMe 00°40' 99% M                                                 
rSu co rUr 01°19' 97% M                                                 
rMe co rVe 02°59' 83% M                                                 
rMe co rUr 00°39' 99% M                                                 
rVe co rUr 02°20' 90% M
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Re: Major Move

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:29 pm

Without trying to be exhaustive...

Natal Venus is the most angular, less than a degree from Asc. It's joined by close and Uranus and Mercury angularities. The whole effect is that you're happy and fascinated.

Mars is the most angular transiting planet, with (again) Mercury close behind.

Moon (ecliptically or mundanely) closely aspects natal Mercury, Mars, and Neptune and natal Moon, Sun, Mercury, and Uranus. I'm not sure how much to emphasize the Mars and Neptune energies - they were your strongest at birth so you're no stranger to them. They might show a bit of trouble, anxiety, maybe getting sick (especially with Moon closely involved), yet the chart also shows you keenly engaged, learning things, exploring, and feeling good - so the balance of all that isn't immediately obvious to me.

I love some of the interesting outer planet things. Though Neptune is most of a sign away from your Moon, they are conjunct mundanely within 1°20'. Uranus opposes your Pluto (major change / shift) and Pluto squares your Venus (leaving friends behind, making new ones, rebooting social context - to which Venus-Uranus combinations are included), etc. - You can see the other aspects in the scrolling green text just above.

So... just based on your main predictive charts, I don't see that time and place as a big problem. Yes, there are difficulties and shortages in the early months, intermingled with other things going really well. The main thing is that I don't see overwhelming or unbearable hardship which (when it comes down to it) is probably what you really want to know.
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Re: Major Move

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:29 pm

As for the location itself...

I see you have Venus square MC in your chart relocated to Seattle. Has that been unusually good for you in terms of love and happiness? - Just checking in, it doesn't really matter to the current question.

Cork is closest to a Moon line: Moon is 1°05' from Zenith (upper square to MC). You'll feel things strongly, your empathic and psychic feelers reaching out more. This may give more of a sense of connection yet also of vulnerability in threatening or uncomfortable situations. Everything else about Moon on an angle will apply.

Another thing that changes with location is natal mundane aspects - they are location-distinctive. Since you're studying with Kenneth, I should mention that by "mundane aspects" I don't mean parans but, rather, prime vertical aspects. Natally, you have seven close (within 3°) mundane aspects (either independent of ecliptic aspects, or closer than their ecliptic counterparts). For cork, you have 11, of which the following are unique compared with your birthplace:

Venus-Pluto co 0°27' (compared to your natal conjunction at nearly 4°)
Mercury-Mars sq 0°51'
Sun-Mars sq Ma 1°56' (compared to your natal Sun-Mars ecliptical trine at nearly 5°)

You'll feel these energies much more strongly in Cork and be more likely to experience events consistent with them.
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Re: Major Move

Post by Ethan FM » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:07 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:20 pm
Did the idea of a move perhaps settle in as Uranus was making the square between April '21 and February '22? That would make sense.
Hi Jim, and thank you for the welcome :)

in regards to the move timeline, I was finishing my last quarter of graduate school in the Spring of 2021, after that it was a rough summer and fall with much wondering "What to do now??", discussions with spouse, realizing I wasn't getting any younger, etc., etc.

I had obtained Irish citizenship in 2017, and I decided it was time to do something with it. We agreed to move. Applied for passport in November 2021, started our formal plan in December, bought tickets in March - so yeah the commitment really solidified at the end of February.
Presuming this is a long-term move, one good signal is that progressed Sun is a degree and a half from Jupiter. In another nine months you'll start feeling a two-year run of that progression, which is quite positive.
It is, and that is great to hear :D
If you were in Seattle on your last birthday, the chart shows some wandering in circles, maybe some wanderlust or looking to be enchanted by something or other, and then a lot of working to handle practical business. (If you're relocating internationally, that's probably been necessary so I don't deserve any credit for figuring that out.)
I would say that matches up with the timeline and experience given above :D

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Re: Major Move

Post by Ethan FM » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:23 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:29 pm
I'm not sure how much to emphasize the Mars and Neptune energies - they were your strongest at birth so you're no stranger to them.

I love some of the interesting outer planet things. Though Neptune is most of a sign away from your Moon, they are conjunct mundanely within 1°20'. Uranus opposes your Pluto (major change / shift) and Pluto squares your Venus (leaving friends behind, making new ones, rebooting social context - to which Venus-Uranus combinations are included), etc.
I am definitely familiar with those Mars-Neptune up-down energies (as well as Uranus-sideways and Pluto-transfiguration ones :shock: :lol: ). All four have really dominated my life.
I see you have Venus square MC in your chart relocated to Seattle. Has that been unusually good for you in terms of love and happiness? - Just checking in, it doesn't really matter to the current question.
I've lived in Seattle since 1991, and been through all kinds of relationships, but have been happily married since 2014. The happiness with Seattle not so much, as I've gradually and completely tired of city-living and ready for literally greener pastures :ugeek:
I don't see that time and place as a big problem. Yes, there are difficulties and shortages in the early months, intermingled with other things going really well. The main thing is that I don't see overwhelming or unbearable hardship which (when it comes down to it) is probably what you really want to know.
Sounds good, and I am up for the challenge :D

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Re: Major Move

Post by Ethan FM » Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:09 am

By way of an update:

The work of sorting/packing is picking up. I'm noting more letting go of things and some resulting relief.

Of note, I am spending a lot of time digitizing old records that my family has carted around for years (letters, legal documents, writings, etc.). I am learning things I never knew about my maternal grandmother, my mother and her sisters, an my star-crossed older sister. Such travails they had, maybe even worthy of a memoir.

My husband and I have been meeting our friends a lot for meals and outings. I think Hubby might be taking their loss harder than me (I inherited them through him - my friends are few and far away).

At present I am more concerned with saving money for the potential hardships. Hubby already lost a potential source of funds when he realized a stimulus loan was not interest free and paid it all back, plus the interest already accrued (usually he's more on top of such things, so this was a difficult realization for him and made him more anxious for about the move).

One challenge I am looking at is that I will be without my iMac for at least a month, and my MacBook Air laptop is from 2011 and may not be up to the challenge of being my sole computer for that long. When I checked to see what it was worth for a trade it, Apple offered $20! :lol: A newer MacBook Air M1 (not top of the line), would set me back $1000. ... As I'm typing this out I realize I probably should just tough it out and do my best :?

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Re: Major Move

Post by Ethan FM » Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:30 pm

Had to get a new laptop and was setting it up when I thought I should swing by with an update.

Things have gone fairly well, with some minor glitches, unexpected turns, and disappointing job and housing prospects. We'll be landing with some friends just south of Dublin for an uncertain amount of time. I do not expect that will change the results of the Solar Return as Ireland is a small country. If anything the moon line mentioned might not be so intense.

Still scheduled to fly out on the 9/25. I am really looking forward to getting my life back in order so I can return to studying and practicing sidereal astrology.

Hope everyone is doing well and I hope to catch up soon!

Take care,
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Re: Major Move

Post by Vivek » Mon Sep 19, 2022 1:12 am

Dear Ethan
Saturn is transiting your natal mars and aspecting you moon as well till 17.1.23 and retrograde till 25.10.22 + retrograte jupiter on your natal moon (very good). These phenomenon compelling you to relocate.
Plan relocation after 17.1.23 for betterment. 2023 and 2024 are going to be great years for you irrespective you relocate or not.
Good luck!

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Re: Major Move

Post by Ethan FM » Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:48 am

Vivek wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 1:12 am
Dear Ethan
Saturn is transiting your natal mars and aspecting you moon as well till 17.1.23 and retrograde till 25.10.22 + retrograte jupiter on your natal moon (very good). These phenomenon compelling you to relocate.
Plan relocation after 17.1.23 for betterment. 2023 and 2024 are going to be great years for you irrespective you relocate or not.
Good luck!
Thank you, Vivek.

We are already here, south of Cork for a few days with a friend, while trying to find housing. It has been full of interesting challenges so far, but nothing we could not find ways to resolve.

The housing situation is kind of dire in most of Ireland, so we may be stuck with friends south of Dublin for the winter. I am ok with that, my husband not so much. I have had some job nibbles, and keep at it every day. Regardless, I am still very happy to be here and away from Seattle, which was literally driving me crazy. I certainly look forward to 2023!

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