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Re: Eris

Post by Veronica » Fri May 07, 2021 11:59 am

James,

Did you know that women talk and use tens of thousands of words a day? Tens of thousands of blah blah blah blah, who knows what exactly but it is almost like endless prattle at times being around women who basically talk nonstop all day. Everyday.

Men, supposedly use about 10,000.
Who knows what is going on inside the Male mind most of the time? It's like pulling teeth sometimes to get a conversation.

I applaud you for putting conscientious action into communicating more. I know it so hard to do, to find words, to relate experiences and intangible things, I try and try and try and fail and fail and fail. But I keep trying.
I hope you do too.

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Venus-Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun May 16, 2021 12:57 pm

Based on the work above, I've settled for now on the following provisional interpretation of natal Venus-Eris aspects:
Sexuality is unusually free from shame. Finds flowering or fertility in chaos. When sexually involved, expresses sexuality with unusual “no holding back” freedom. Indifferent to others’ or society's rules: Faithful to their own moral rules, while entirely free from judging, shaming, or condemning others’ choices (willing to be disruptor). Discloses their inner, intimate self in every act. (Sees a personal connection as one detail in a larger array.)
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Sun-Eris

Post by Veronica » Tue May 25, 2021 10:42 am

A few weeks ago when my sister was at death's door I found myself in a situation in which my sisters daughter was angry at me and my sister.

I realized I had never been more afraid of a confrontation in my life. No one scares me more when upset then my niece and I love her to pieces.

My niece is a nurse. My father calls her nurse Ratchet.
She is the most loving capable encouraging and self assured person I have ever met. She is a lady and will not lower herself under any circumstances. You can either rise to her level or not, she truly does not bother with stupidity or laziness.
She excelled in school and has a brilliant mind capable of deep problem solving and seeing others perspectives.
I am truly blessed to have her in my life and for the love and support she has shown me.

After reading this thread I knew that she must have Eris strong in her chart and knowing how slow Eris is I knew from her birthdate it was probably conjunct her Sun.

The interesting thing is that I never knew what time she was born, and so when I drew up her chart I had to feel her out in a way to try and surmise the time. After some deep feelings and thinking I came up with 9am ish.

My Astrology has gotten better because yesterday when I was going through paperwork my dad had in the barn I found her hospital tag.

I'd like to introduce to you my most beloved LB, and if you have any fears or worries about the future, let me tell you that this little bit of StarShine is busting heads and tearing down ugliness and living and laughing and loving inspite of it all

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Re: Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 25, 2021 10:47 am

Sun 19°45' Pisces
Eris 19°50' Pisces
Moon 21°34' Gemini

Way to go!
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Re: Eris

Post by SteveS » Wed May 26, 2021 12:57 am

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Re: Venus-Eris

Post by Danica » Wed May 26, 2021 9:18 pm

Sexuality is unusually free from shame. Finds flowering or fertility in chaos. When sexually involved, expresses sexuality with unusual “no holding back” freedom. Indifferent to others’ or society's rules: Faithful to their own moral rules, while entirely free from judging, shaming, or condemning others’ choices (willing to be disruptor). Discloses their inner, intimate self in every act. (Sees a personal connection as one detail in a larger array.)

There’s an example of Venus-Eris that I’ve had the unjoyous fortune to meet get to know during the previous year, which is quite the opposite from this description! The orb (eclipto) of Ve sq Er is 39’; Ve herself is in Gemini and conj Sun, orb 3*05’ A, and Mars is conj Sun 2*52’ - but far away to be in orb with Ve and Er too; Luna is in Leo; the birth time I received is within an hour of exactitude, so not exactly sure about the precise details of the rest of the picture.
She’s sexually and emotionally constipated; this is shown in her relationships with the closest people, lack of trust and openness about own authentic feelings and the Venusian seems entirely projected onto the environment in a form that presents it to self as Dangerous, monstrous, needs-be-controlled-and-suppressed. Heavy early-adulthood trauma in intimate relationship;
has grown to become a Hitler supporter; an actual *racist* net-plotting local aspiring “mamman”-to-be, operating within the culture-building of the local Communities she’s managing, of the young generation of artists and creative-entrepreneurs of LA !


... maybe there’s a polarity-switch tendency, of an extreme-in-expression or a-seeming-total-distortion/lack-thereof, of a principle in relation/aspect with Eris? ... with Gemini here, the polarization as such, as theme, is also emphasized; and Mars with the Sun colors the whole nativity quite differently than if this was a primarily-Venusian or Venusian-only picture...
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Re: Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 26, 2021 10:16 pm

Data?
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Re: Eris

Post by Danica » Wed May 26, 2021 11:10 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 10:16 pm
Data?
Are you asking for birth-data, or events?
For the first, privately sent to you (see messenger), and will do same to other members who ask, doesn’t feel fitting to share here openly.

If you’re asking for more details on events, I’d have to go through diaries, let me know.
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Re: Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:17 am

Mozart, whose chart is already dominated by Uranus and Pluto, was also an Eris fellow. Eris was partile conjunct his partile Moon-Pluto conjunction. It was also 1°28' from his IC, making it slightly closer to an angle than Uranus.

Additionally, Oprah Winfrey was born with Eris 0°30' from IC (something not evident except in the mundoscope).
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Re: Eris

Post by mikestar13 » Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:38 pm

On the topic of Venus-Eris, I think I have some relevant experience, since in my nativity Eris conjoins Venus within half a degree (also conjuct the Sun and sextile rising Mars in Taurus, which complicates the picture). There has always been chaos in my romantic/sexual relationships. There is chaos now, but by God's grace with Terry it is external circumstance and not the relationship dynamic itself (a pleasing reversal of my usual pattern).

I have been always been reliably monogamous on the one hand, and not just a question of values: cheating, threesomes, orgies, ... just don't float my boat. My natural bent is to be laser focused on my current relationship, be it for the night or a two decade marriage.

On the other hand, when I'm not committed to someone, pretty much I never met a woman I didn't want (barring cases of a woman so egregiously ugly I question if she's human or so palpably evil that it's oozing from her pores). In the context of the above, there is essentially nothing I won't at least try sexually. (For the record, barring any degree of non-consensual--I consider that grossly immoral and also have never even fantasized about it).

Yet on the third hand, while I don't mind and now and then have enjoyed the kinkier things, I don't miss them or crave them. Plain vanilla if in semi reasonable quality and quantity never leaves me even slightly unsatisfied even for years at a time.

Better astrologers than me need to figure out the contradictions in the above, but the chaotic pull in different directions seems very Eris to me.
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Re: Eris

Post by Venus_Daily » Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:57 pm

I know this isn't the SSR forum, but I went back and looked over my SSR charts, and I had Eris prominent in a lot of my charts from 2011-2017 when my mother had her stroke. In 2018, obviously, the trend stop, and this is the point when I started seeing a different endocrinologist and addressed a lot of the physiological issues I had been having due to being hypopituitary, and the biggest thing that really helped was addressing a severe Vitamin D and magnesium deficiency I had. Sorry if I derailed the thread. I just didn't feel in control of anything during this time.

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Re: Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:03 pm

Eris is far off the horizon so it doesn't fall on angles often where it seems to by longitude. Here is what I found of transiting Eris in those years.

2011: 9°07' below Asc, very widely foreground. (Saturn on Dsc was the main factor.)

2012: 5°29' from MC, moderately foreground. The most important thing was Venus exactly on Asc. However, by transit Eris was crossing SSR MC all year.

2013: 1°01' from Dsc - very strong, the strongest thing in the chart (and opposite Venus across the horizon).

2014: 2°46' from IC - quite close. But Pluto half a degree from Ascendant was the strongest thing.

2015: 0°19' from Asc. The closest of the set, and the only transiting planet of great significance in the chart.

2016: 4°52' off MC, but intensified by close opposition (in mundo) by Moon. Probably the second strongest year.

2017: 5°40' from Dsc, The most important thing that year was Uranus 0°02' from Dsc.
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Re: Eris

Post by Venus_Daily » Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:30 pm

Does this symbolize that Eris has some influence in our lives through transits and returns? It does seem to echo other harsh influences. It's going to be pretty interested to see Eris' transit into Aries around 2024. Hope it doesn't symbolize war.

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Re: Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:41 pm

Venus_Daily wrote:
Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:30 pm
Does this symbolize that Eris has some influence in our lives through transits and returns? It does seem to echo other harsh influences. It's going to be pretty interested to see Eris' transit into Aries around 2024. Hope it doesn't symbolize war.
It isn't likely, since Eris' extremely long, elongated orbit places it in Aries a very long time.

Eris first enters Aries in June 2023 and, after five retrograde cycles back into Pisces, settles in for the long-run in February 2028. It remains in Aries full-time until (get ready) 2136 - 108 years later - before it first sets foot in Taurus. It then retrogrades back and forth between the two constellations until it fully settles into Taurus in 2140.

Eris first entered Pisces (for the current cycle) in May 1901 and has been there full-time since 1905.

We can't easily study its prior behavior in the signs since it's orbit appears to be 559 years long. That means it was last in Pisces 1343-1469 (full-time during 1347-1464). You could study that century-plus to see how it compares to the years since 1905. It's last passage through Aries was 1464-1581 (being there full-time 1469-1578).

It's interesting, but perhaps coincidental, that the Black Death (bubonic plague) ravaged Europe 1346-53, the earliest years of Eris in Pisces; and we've had two gigantic world pandemics during the current passage. The 15th century, over half of which had Eris in Pisces and the other half in Aries, was the dawning of the Renaissance, the fall of Constantinople and eastern empire it governed; so I'm sure there is one or more of the Crusades in one of these two periods along with the intentional effort by Europe to dismantle the Islamic world. (I haven't looked it up yet.) Eris in Aries marked Columbus' voyage and the opening up of half the planet to the other half in the greatest period of exploration in history (which, however, sounds more Piscian to me).

Under the Eris in Pisces period - let's look at the exploration - Henry the Navigator led Portugal's great explorations. Joan of Arc led her campaign and suffered her punishment at the end (religious wars were quite popular). The Aztecs rose to become the dominant force and culture in Central America and the Incas build Machu Picchu. In the last years of the passage, Constantinople and the Byzantine Empire fell. At about the same time, the Hundred Years War ended (I guess this ran more or less the full length of Eris in Pisces) with decisive French victory over England.

There continued to be wars with Eris in Aries, though these were not of the scope and grandeur of the Pisces period. The early ones, at least, were more about shifting rulership and rotating dynasties. Of course, Columbus' voyage is a turning point in 1492, along with the concurrent expulsion of all Jews from Spain; other significant European explorers made their historic, consequential journeys to America.

Most of the 16th Century had Eris in Aries. The Italian Renaissance was in full force. Europe's march into the Americas began to surge. Copernicus and Brahe began to dismantle religion-based old models of the universe and create modern celestial mechanics. The Protestant Reformation began, with permanent, transformative effect on Europe. Looking at this, it suggests Eris in Aries could be quite remarkable and exciting!

It was the time of Da Vinci and Michelangelo, of Martin Luther and Henry VIII, of Columbus, de Soto, and Magellan (but also the savagery - some might say genocide - of Cortez and Pizarro). It included the rising into power of Queen Elizabeth I in 1558, and the first half of the Elizabethan Era. (The half that most fed the flourishing of immortal writing and art fell under Eris in Taurus.)

As it matured, this period became a time of majestic monarchs around the world - Henry VIII and Elizabeth I, the Khans in China, Ivan the Terrible in Russia, Islamic rulers spreading as far as Indonesia, just to name the most obvious. It was the era of Catherine de Medici.

Eris' time in the last sign of the zodiac ended with the last year of the Julian Calendar, for its successor, the Gregorian Calendar, was instituted the following year. With Eris in Taurus, Denmark built the world's first theme park in 1583 :), and the era of Marlowe and Shakespeare began to unfold.
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Mercurty-Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:58 am

At the moment the first plane hit the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, 8:46 AM EDT, 40N42'42", 74W00'45", Mercury and Eris were both precisely angular and in 0°08' mundane opposition.

Mercury 0°29' below Asc
Eris 0°21' above Dsc
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Re: Eris

Post by SteveS » Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:20 am

Jim noted:
Mercury 0°29' below Asc
Eris 0°21' above Dsc
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Re: Eris

Post by Mike » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:48 pm

Some thoughts from a non-Eris native who has it acutely foreground in California, and is now paying attention to that...

Here in San Diego County, my natal Eris is 1º18' past MC; in Los Angeles it's even closer, at 0º23' before MC. In both cases, it becomes my most angular planet, though Mercury and Venus are both quite close to Westpoint and Dsc, respectively.

Stef and I were talking about it, and she had a really good articulation of what I was feeling - it sort of feels like the "anti-OCD planet."

I do have OCD in the clinical sense, and beyond that I am a person who really prefers planning over spontaneity; uncertainty leads to a lot of anxiety for me.
When I've been in California, even before I was paying attention to Eris, I have noticed that I care a lot less about what kind of trajectory I'm on, and am content to just ride the waves of whatever is happening. I used to think that was my psyche reacting to the presence of Venus, since it's background in my natal chart, but now I am thinking that this is much more of an Eris experience.

My very crude and early articulation of the way it feels is: "not recognizing any difference in importance between different possibilities; equally content with whatever ends up happening. Extra difficulty with plotting out a course of action in advance, and perhaps with focusing in general."

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Re: Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:57 pm

This is fascinating.
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Re: Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:28 am

Einstein remains one of the most interesting examples to revisit occasionally regarding Eris (and, for that matter, Sedna). At a glance, his horoscope looks like Eris totally dominates, closely conjunct Midheaven. In fact, it doesn't do that: Due to its extreme latitude, at his higher-latitude birth in Germany, Eris (which ecliptically seems to be on MC) is several degrees ABOVE ASCENDANT. It does, however, still stand out in his chart for a very tight square with Moon.

19°47' Aqu - MC
21°28' Sco - Moon [1°28' from WP-a]
21°48' Aqu - Eris [6°05' above Asc!]

Sedna is interesting because it ties into Einstein's famous Mercury-Saturn conjunction. Now, Mercury conjunct Saturn already is a major, positive mark of Einstein's chart: It's not usually a negative aspect and does show in significant mathematicians and, in particular, people who have helped define how the universe works mechanically (Copernicus, Brahe, Newton). In Pisces, it takes on Einstein's physical window of physics. But, even though it's good enough on its own, Sedna adds a new dimension:

9°48' Pis - Sedna
10°05' Pis - Mercury
11°08' Pis - Saturn

I stumbled on this while revisiting Einstein's chart to see if his Novien any further insight on his Mercury patterns and, indeed, it does. The lesser of two things is that his natal Mercury-Saturn conjunction is atop his Novien Jupiter (9°50' Pisces) and Neptune (13°20' Sagittarius), reinforcing the almost metaphysical scope of his physics (which we already see from the nativity) and his academic success (r Mercury on N Jupiter 15'). But even more interesting is that natal Pluto (1°40' Taurus) squares his Novien Mercury (0°47') within 0°53'.

There are so many ways that this relatively simple nativity is extraordinary.

PS - Mercury-Saturn is also quite common for high impact astrologers, which is an interesting link between astronomers that show us how the universe works and astrologers that show us how the universe works in our lives. Some of these include Alan Leo, Llewellyn George, Dane Rudhyar, Margaret Hone, Reinhold Ebertin, myself, Matthew Quellas (and, of course, Copernicus, Brahe, and Newton).
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Re: Eris

Post by mikestar13 » Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:43 am

Einstein's chart is indeed a great example of Eris and Sedna. Also an illustration of the importance of mundane position. At least in this case an astrologer who only considered longitude would be coincidentally right that Eris is foreground. But it doesn't require much imagination to envision a case where Eris is dead exact on the Midheaven while located in the remotest background mundanely.
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Re: Einstein

Post by Danica » Sat Feb 05, 2022 9:06 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:28 am

There are so many ways that this relatively simple nativity is extraordinary.
I think that where the true genius of this nativity lies is a peculiar social-emotional capacity of sensitivity and adaptivity to conditions in the environment, with extraordinary ability to (in a fiercely-hungry manner!) absorb from it what's the current personal need, and "make it own food": this is a Pisces Sun, Scorpio Moon, with the Sun itself being oct Neptune (38') ans sq Mars (1*43' M), and the Moon sq Eris (19') and sq Uranus (55' M).
Sedna so tight with his Mercury-Saturn conjunction does indeed give additional information of value, in this regard; although closely conjunct both, Sedna cnj Mercury is only 16' wide, being the strongest-by-orb natal aspect of the chart; the whole picture of the core factors of this natal depicts someone with an instinct to find themselves attached-to, or in-proximity, or adjacent to an authentic authority, and to find best possible ways to use this kind of circumstances for their own greatest-benefit & establishing own position of power.

His biography clearly depicts this: a not exactly specialized or in a particular manner strongly defined world-path or Identity, someone highly capable of "wheeling and dealing", seeking their own path and wandering around just flowing with the tides (with all that Scorpio-Moon and Pisces-stellium charisma as it was) meets a true scientific genius of Mileva (12/19/1875, Titel, Serbia; my rectified time: 9:30 AM) and after a few years of consuming what this peculiar relationship has been offering, within a time-span of a few months comes up with "their own" original idea about the way to mathematically define the energy of a particle in a "rest state"! --- one merely needs to take a look at his annual tides, the larger transits to rx, and the Solar Arc processes for period 1896 - 1905 to see that it wasn't sooner than October 1904 when d Mercury entered orb to his r Moon, which was then followed by t Uranus coming to the natal trio Sedna-Mercury-Saturn starting in Jan 1905, that the indicators of important intellectual break-through come to appear (the thesis that outlined "his original ideas" on quantum theory was completed in March 1905). Seeing the synastry between him and Mileva (as well as looking into her own natal, and the tides and processes for the same period, 1896-1905) adds details to this whole picture that are quite illuminating!
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Re: Eris

Post by ODdOnLifeItself » Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:34 am

Re: "...not recognizing any difference in importance between different possibilities; equally content with whatever ends up happening."

Though under a spiritual basis, this fits me to a T. I have the feeling that lives are already lived in a sense (path-wise) and that we're merely experiencing it seemingly in real-time. Because of this, I have the feeling that we're always right where we are meant to be. For me, if I were to not get a job I was going for, it would be (to me) because the job wouldn't be right for me. I am just as content to not get the job as to get it. All things in life fall into this reasoning.

Re: "Extra difficulty with plotting out a course of action in advance, and perhaps with focusing in general."

Not sure about this one, but I do note (or let's say my wife has noted ;) ) that it's better with me to know ahead of time what we need to do. If she has something on Wednesday, where a deviation will be necessary, she knows not to spring it on me later than Tuesday. ;) Other elements of my chart, I believe, make this part of the "Eris understanding" seem not so on the mark.

In my natal, Eris is square the Sun (0° 14'), semisquare Mars ((0° 9') and inconjunct Neptune (0° 1'). [though I know the last aspect is generational]

In my epoch, Eris is opposite my Sun (1° 1'), inconjunct Venus (0° 43')...

I am a bit curious about transiting Eris, as well as major transits to Eris, though I haven't yet researched that element of it...

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Re: Eris

Post by Danica » Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:11 am

Roberto Assagioli had Mercury cnj Eris 14' (E), as well as Wilhelm Reich did (4*13' E - who also had it as his closest angular, 21' above DC, and partile (Ecl) sq Moon, if my birth hour rectification for him, 14:15h, is correct).
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Re: Eris

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Re: Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:52 am

Danica wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 3:11 am
Roberto Assagioli had Mercury cnj Eris 14' (E), as well as Wilhelm Reich did (4*13' E - who also had it as his closest angular, 21' above DC, and partile (Ecl) sq Moon, if my birth hour rectification for him, 14:15h, is correct).
This compares well to my current working definition of Mercury-Eris aspects:
Insight comes easily: Mind can manage vast arrays of data points, incorporating facts and evidence, leaping to significant, persistent success. (Seems intuitive at first impression, but actually pursues goals through persistent effort and skill rewarded by insight.) A sassy, often unbounded “think-for-oneself” way through life (may use shock tactics to prove they think and act on their own). Promiscuous: persistently casual, diverse, and indiscriminate in sexual variety...
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Richard Nixon

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:50 pm

"Tricky Dick" had the Trickster as his most angular planet.

For so significant a figure in the last half of the 20th Century, there are surprisingly few things in Nixon's chart. He has nothing near an angle. He did have one ferociously powerful middleground aspect structure of Mercury, Mars, and Jupiter tightly conjoined and opposite Pluto which (rightfully) gets the most attention from astrologers.

But with the discovery of Eris, we find he has one closely angular planet: Eris is 1°50' from his Descendant. It's also rightly called an afflicted Eris with the following malefic-heavy aspects:

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Er Pi  F | tr Ne 01°04'    sx Sa 01°39'    sq Pl 02°49'    sq Ma 03°54'    
         | sq Me 04°10'    sq Ju 05°50'    sx Su 06°26'    sx Ur 06°51
In fact, Eris was 17' from the Saturn/Neptune midpoint.
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Re: Eris

Post by Soft Alpaca » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:54 pm

Planet is giving me Vermillion vibes.
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Re: Eris

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:16 pm

Soft Alpaca wrote:
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Planet is giving me Vermillion vibes.
What does Vermillion feel like to you?
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Re: Eris

Post by Soft Alpaca » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:37 pm

I guess it is a bit odd to apply a feeling to a color. I feel it's the 11% more toned red orange that just ignites something like the sense of entropy to me. In one form we have cinnabar explosive and can be made to be deadly (sharpened and already poisonous), but at the same time it's beautiful and the process that makes it is destructive and beautiful: but also contradictory because it's creating new (life, geography and minerals). In another form we have a dye made from what in large quantities is also again poisonous; cadmium.

When cinnabar was used for lipstick and it also killed you but it was thought to have health benefits.. all just very Eris (this is far deeper than my initial feeling I had to go into this a bit myself).

The spectrum of red waves point me to action and orange denotes to me surprise so there's also that.
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