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Rims, Hubs, and Spokes - interpretation resources

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun May 07, 2017 8:30 pm

"The zodiac can be likened to a vast wheel with a rim, spokes, and a hub." - Cyril Fagan, Astrological Origins

HUB constellations http://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=36#p169
SPOKE constellations http://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=36&p=168#p170
RIM constellations http://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=36&p=168#p171
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HUB constellatoins

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HUB CONSTELLATIONS
("Fixed, Kerubic, Solid, Foundation" - Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius)
  1. Law unto themselves. Not easily influenced by public opinion, dogma, or the dicta of others. Must study it themselves.
  2. Traditions must be put to the test before accepted. Most revolutionary, hence most dangerous.
  3. Powers of endurance, application, and concentration seemingly exhaustless. [Not sure this is the point.]
  4. Originators of the world's great schools of thought. Their thoughts and deeds have permanence. (Pivot points of new creative directions, define avant garde.)
  5. High frustration tolerance (Hub Moon 'saves' Rim Sun).
  6. Characteristric massiveness in their writings or compositions.
  7. Usually starts early in life on course of independent life (Hall). Precocious.
  8. Power of dispassionate judgment.
  9. Double Hubs, when under pressure or distraught, need to be (and can be) led like a child - about the only condition in which they can be.
  10. Strongly attuned to the relevance of everything, thus able to maintain a high spirit-titre (Jourard). Probably reason for longevity found here.
  11. Able to appreciate everything around them - including themselves - for its own worth.
  12. Sexual affairs must include emotional commitment.
  13. Tendency to form more profound personal relationships. ("Deep" is their standard.)
  14. "Knowing" - rapid calculation from absence of doubts of their ability to judge.
  15. Parental bias implanted strongly.
  16. Sense of meaning, awareness of unity in the universe.
  17. Unusually healthy - refuse to stay in a line of work (or situation) which is uncomfortable (see stats below - little regimentation in work).
Cyril Fagan wrote:The Hub or foundation constellations are Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius. Although seeming not to move at its mathematical center, the hub moves the world and everything in it. A law unto themselves, natives of the hub are not easily influenced by public opinion nor by the dicta of others and they are not prone to change. Their powers of endurance, application, and concentration are seemingly exhaustless. Impervious to dogma and to tradition, no matter how sacrosanct, they will accept no doctrine nor article of faith that effects [sic] their lives without first studying them ab ova for themselves. This makes them the most revolutionary and hence the most dangerous of the zodiacal family. 'Such men are dangerous for they think too much,' as Shakespeare put it. They are the originators of the world's great schools of thought in every sphere of life; and willy-nilly they influence the lives of others, for their thoughts and deeds are hewed in granite to endure for all time. The speed and direction of the whole wheel of life is determined at the hub and not at the spokes or rim.
STATISTICS:
MOON (+): Long lives, Nobel physicists, Indianapolis 500 drivers, actors, chess players, heads of state
SUN (+): Indianapolis 500 drivers, actors, chess players, clergymen
SUN (-): Medical doctors, heads of state, military leaders

U.S. PRESIDENTS
The three double-Hub U.S. Presidents - Franklin Pierce, John Kennedy, and Lyndon Johnson - were all Democrats (and, in fact, all had Leo Moons). The fourth is Donald Trump. Four of the seven Presidents who died in office had Hub Suns (Taylor, Lincoln, Garfield, Kennedy). OTOH 4 of the 9 Presidents who inherited the office had Hub Moons (Fillmore, Johnson, Johnson, Ford).
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SPOKE constellations

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SPOKE CONSTELLATIONS
("Mutable, Common" - Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, Pisces)
  1. Shoot out in every direction for every endeavor. Mind jumps around to many different subjects. (Subject to distraction.)
  2. Outstanding talkers, discussing every problem - but not DOers.
  3. Idea people, often with great impact (but schools or centers don't tend to form around them without a Hub luminary).
  4. Continual state of indecision, getting nowhere. Almost totally lacking in power of application. Loses interest quickly. Many dropouts.
  5. Time obliterates their names from memory. "The spokes of the wheel spin by too fast to be noticed."
  6. Most scholarly, exceedingly well-informed on most matters.
  7. Sensitive to public opinion, easily pressured. "Tell me what to think."
  8. "Cry babies." Defensive about own work, sensitive to criticism.
  9. Nervous problems. Frequently resort to stimulants or sedatives to assuage this.
  10. Do best as employees rather than as own masters.
  11. Doesn't let people know he's hurt or in need. Withddraws into self when injured.
  12. {???} Seems to be struggling desperately to satisfy himself. His own desires are so important to him he may become indifferent to the rights of others. Self-centered (self-involved?), but not ruthlessly. {???}
  13. Persistent in purpose, but not necessarily consistent in manner. Clings tenaciously to whatever goals he sets but orften changes tactics in mid-stream.
Cyril Fagan wrote:The Spokes embrace the bicorporeal constellations Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, and Pisces. Because they are caught perpetually in the conflict of the pair of opposites, they are continually in a state of indecision, getting nowhere. Intellectually they include the world's most scholarly minds and they are exceedingly well informed on most matters, but as thought itself is actionless, they achieve little and soon the tidal wave of change obliterates their names from the sands of time. Almost totally lacking in the power of application, they usually lose interest quickly. This is especially true of Gemini and Sagittarius, who are too distracted by every wind that blows to concentrate on the task in hand. The contradictions inherent in their natures often upset the health and reduce them to bundles of nerves. They frequently resort to stimulants or sedatives to assuage their quivering tongue and limbal extremities. Being outstanding talkers, they will discuss the pros and cons of propositions or problems until the crack of doom, but rarely do they do anything about same. Sensitive to the voice of public opinion, they easily become the dupes of propaganda, the press, and high pressure salesmen. Notwithstanding their undoubted talents, dropouts from their ranks are all too frequent. Succeeding best as employees, they are less successful as employers or as their own masters.
STATISTICS:
SUN (+): Boxers, explorers, military leaders
SUN (-): Clergymen

U.S. PRESIDENTS
Six U.S. Presidents have been double-Spokes: John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, John Tyler, Chester A. Arthur, Calvin Coolidge, and George W. Bush. Except Jackson, all of these were Republicans (or, in Adams' case, the contemporary equivalent). Half inherited the Presidency through the death of their predecessor. Most were regarded as fairly inept Presidents.

Spoke Suns in general have had a smaller tendency to be Republicans. Also, 5 of the 10 Presidents to serve over the last 50 years have had Spoke Suns, but only 1 of the last four. Spoke Sun Presidents constitute 6 of the 9 instances of inheriting the office by the death or resignation of a predecessor.

Spoke Moons have a surprising family continuity: Both (related) Presidents named Adams, Roosevelt, and Bush had Spoke Moons (only Harrison is missing from the mix).
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RIM constellations

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RIM CONSTELLATIONS
("Cardinal" - Cancer, Libra, Capricorn, Aries)
  1. Busy, active, moving, can't remain still or stand for others remaining still. Get the world's work done, are able to motivate other people as well.
  2. Those who implement the status quo: managers, executives, politicians. Busy-ness = Business.
  3. Tends to assess behavior to actions - to look at how someone acts and interpret that as now they are. (High valuation of surface.)
  4. Incessant struggle for accomplishment normally results in problems. Rims get into more trouble (with themselves and with others) than any other types.
  5. Finance-conscious, but often overly generous with lvoed ones.
  6. Bare nerve endings!
  7. Fastest breakdown of frustration tolerance.
  8. Difficulty in recognizing or facing own shortcomings. Can't analyze themselves honestly. Seldom able to solve own problems or overcome own faults, so blame others for their problems.
  9. More superficiality in relationships ("surface" is their standard; but the relationships often feel deep to them).
  10. INSECURITY. In relationships they demand loyalty and are willing to give it (once they stake a claim).
Cyril Fagan wrote:The Rim embraces the quadruplicity Cancer, Libra, Capricorn, and Aries, the busy bees of the zodiac. These natives are far too busy to stop and to think. Even in their sleep they labor. They are responsible for the rush and bustle of life, for they cannot remain still. Chiefly they work at making money, but this is by no means their only occupation. Generally, they are numbered among the world's leading executives as they drive the rest of humanity before them. Accepting the status quo of society, they implement and expedite it. Being ever before the public, usually administering to their immediate wants, or serving them indirectly, their images continuously strike the headlines, including the political ones.
Bradley AA 4/74 wrote:...people who are born with the Sun and Moon in cardinal constellations... tend to have the most rawly exposed nervous systems... so they are surer targets for Moon-phase influences than most other people. (Statistics show that such "cardinal types" have penchants for getting into trouble, not only with the law and the people around them but with themselves as well.)
STATISTICS:
MOON (+): Have boy children; convicted murderers; short lives
SUN (+): Nobel physicists, lawyers
SUN (-): Explorers

U.S. PRESIDENTS
Seven U.S. Presidents have been double-Rims: James K. Polk, Ulysses S. Grant, William McKinley, Warren G. Harding, Herbert Hoover, Harry S Truman, Ronald Reagan. Five of the seven were Republicans. They vary from some of the most inept to some of the strongest and most effective. Their fiscal policies (rarely popular and often playing poorly to the average wage earner) covered some of the economically weakest and economically strongest periods of our history. Most were militarily aggressive, provoking wars when useful and completing them with finality when they were ongoing.

Rim Moon Presidents, overall, tend to be Republicans - 11 Republicans and a Whig vs. 6 Democrats out of 18. Four out of seven generals are in the bunch, and 5 of the 8 Presidents who have died in office.
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Re: Rims, Hubs, and Spokes - interpretation resources

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun May 07, 2017 8:32 pm

dadsnook wrote:How does this "wheel" metaphor of Rims, Hubs and Spokes help us with better understanding cardinal, fixed and mutable attributes of "signs?" Dave
Fagan's metaphor focusses on the most important (salient) traits of the three sign-groups. In particular:
* Rims are the fastest moving part.
* Spokes shoot out in every direction.
* Hubs are the stable centers about which the rest of the world orbits.
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Re: Rims, Hubs, and Spokes - interpretation resources

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun May 07, 2017 8:34 pm

Bogdan574 wrote:What about Double Spokes? :(
As a generalization, spokes are idea people and work best in service to others - to oversimplify, Spokes are the support staff of the zodiac.

This is obviously not to be taken literally or in too limited a way. Even if we limit this to double Spokes, there are other factors in the chart to consider. However, it's a fairly accurate generalization.

Among famous people with double Spoke luminaries, it is, indeed, easy to find mounds of "also rans" and "second stringers;" but one them also finds no less than Sir Isaac Newton, Pavarotti, Queen Elizabeth I, and Otto von Bismark. The latter two are atypical of politicians, most of whom are not historic first stringers (government in the power sense not being what Spokes are made for), but Liz and Otto had other strong factors in their charts. And it is as "idea people" (going back to Newton) that Spokes really flourish.

Among politicians, we find quite a few U.S. Presidents, though most of them got there "second hand," either inheriting the office having been elected Vice President, or by parentage. The whole list is John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, John Tyler, Chester A. Arthur, Calvin Coolidge, and George W. Bush.

We find numerous Nazi horror-mongers and high-ranking leaders, but all of them were second stringers compared to Aries Hitler: Adolph Eichman, Heinrich Himmler, Josef Mengele. Think of Tessla who, brilliant as he was, went almost utterly ignored for a century, and Ross Perot who succeeded in one field and then was a recurring "also ran" in politics.

Other politicians do best when they are true servants of the people, e.g., Gov. Jerry Brown, VP Al Gore, Benazir Bhutto, Konrad Adenauer. Among the fallen is Crown Prince Albert Victor, and among the suspicious is Sen. Ted Cruz.

In music, they are really strong (though a lot of this comes from Pisces, or from the Virgo theme of "voice of the common people") - think Irene Cara, Olivia Newton-John, Aretha Franklin, Billie Holiday, Della Reece, Leon Russell, Bruce Springsteen, Luciano Pavarotti, Phil Spector.

As writers, academics, and generators of ideas, they are stunning: Charles Baudelaire, Herman Hesse, Simone de Beauvoir, William Faulkner, A.E. Housman, Sir Richard Burton, Alois Alzheimer, Erich Fromm, Samuel Johnson, Erica Jong, Upton Sinclair, Algernon Swinburne, Emile Zola, Arthur Schlesinger. (Add Newton back to this list.)

A few others to consider, especially in terms of being of service to others, idea people, and support figures: Eleanor Roosevelt, Merv Griffin (his second career was luxury hotel ownership), Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, and Heidi Fleiss.
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Re: Rims, Hubs, and Spokes - interpretation resources

Post by Veronica » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:06 pm

What do the + - characters denote for the Sun and moon?

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Veronica wrote:
Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:06 pm
What do the + - characters denote for the Sun and moon?
Pro or con. That is, statistically significant frequent occurrence (+) or infrequent occurrence (-).
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Re: Rims, Hubs, and Spokes - interpretation resources

Post by By Jove » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:09 am

So reading all the double spoke stuff, it seems my ideal job would be someone who comes up with ideas and does management in the background. That's fine since I don't like the spotlight anyway. I like the idea of having a double identity: boring office guy at day, creative artist guy at night. At the moment I cannot reconcile my creative loves with the trends of the outside world.

Having so much Sagittarius in my chart bums me out a bit. My chart is so unbalanced and has little diversity (regarding the signs at least).

I'm still mad at history for what happened with Tesla and Edison. Tesla was the "true" genius who was way into the future. Edison was a businessman who tinkered other people's inventions to improve them, then presented them as all his own idea.

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Re: Rims, Hubs, and Spokes - interpretation resources

Post by Veronica » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:42 pm

Your chart is not unbalanced.
Your chart is a map and maps cannot be unbalanced...that would be like S.N.E.W. instead of NEWS (acronym for North ect ect).

Your condition is not unbalanced but I might think that concidering your age is unfocused.

Im a double hub W a scorpio stellium but Ive never thought I needed anything that wasnt in my chart. I may wonder what a taurusness could feel like but when you concider how the planets move around and around over time all those subtle aspects are felt.

Unbalaced is looking at your chart and not accepting the blessing of life you have been given an opportunity to expuerence and take to the next level. Dont restrict yourself and say your chart/you are wrong to be.

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