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Post by Parto » Mon May 03, 2021 2:38 pm

Is it just the Sun modifying the Moon, or does it go both ways? In the context of aspects to luminaries being a way of a planet having strength in a chart, I've seen a few references to a Moon-Sun aspect adding solar energy, but never to it adding lunar energy.

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Re: Moon-Sun

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon May 03, 2021 5:57 pm

Parto wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 2:38 pm
Is it just the Sun modifying the Moon, or does it go both ways? In the context of aspects to luminaries being a way of a planet having strength in a chart, I've seen a few references to a Moon-Sun aspect adding solar energy, but never to it adding lunar energy.
What a great question!

First of all, I wouldn't say that the aspect only "adds solar energy" - I would say it adds energy! Energy of all types, physical and psychological. Strong Moon-Sun aspects are energetic, dynamic, give terrific drive, are forceful, provide psychic vitality, are success-biased and - especially - have intense desire and passion in whatever they undertake. In fact, the aspect is at least as passionate and propelled by desire (sexual and other) as Venus-Mars. The two aspects have significant similarities, evidently because Moon-Sun and Venus-Mars are the two clear gender-polarized, gender equilibrating aspects.

While a lot of this sounds rather yang, and thus predominantly solar, I don't think that's what it is at all. I think it's a consequence of the fusion or collaboration of the two main components of the psyche, the self-conscious ego and sub-consciousness (Ruach and Nefesh). There are only two luminaries and they are both aspected by luminaries!

Some of the more descriptive key phrases for interpreting these aspects fuse lunar and solar words. For example, we speak of psychic vitality and of being "at home" with power. Attaining some significant distinction is perhaps their primary adaptation to maximize psychological survival.

To some extent, we would expect more pronounced "Sun modifying Moon" than the opposite because, across all the planets, it is usually easier to see the more outer of the two planets as affecting the more inner of the two. In that sense, everything aspects Moon as the fastest of the planets. On closer inspection, though, this seems to more an equilibration, a great force primarily because such powerful, primary psychic mates are locked in unremitting copulation.
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Re: Moon-Sun

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon May 03, 2021 5:58 pm

This is a little more obvious, maybe, in the few words I picked for the primary Principle of Moon-Sun aspects: Desire, psychic vitality, instincts serve ego+purpose, importance as an adaptation.
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Re: Moon-Sun

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon May 03, 2021 6:00 pm

Let's go back to the simplest form of your question:
Is it just the Sun modifying the Moon, or does it go both ways?
What does Sun "do to another planet" when in aspect? It energizes or vitalizes the planet, identifies ego with it, makes the other planet's qualities central to one's nature.

What is affected when Moon is aspected? One's outer mask or persona, our emotional responsiveness, and relations with mother figures or the public.

So, in theory, "Sun modifying Moon" would energize and vitalize one's mask or persona, energize emotional responsiveness, and vitalize connection to the public. It would identify the ego with one's persona (wow, that's a big deal! the psychic equilibration of true sense of self with adaptive behavior!). It would make these adaptive behavior-formation and emotional responsiveness "central to one's nature." Admittedly, this is very stilted, clumsy language, someone obtuse; but if you think and feel your way through, you'll encounter very significant psychological processes (some of which can be labelled, some of which have to be intuited).


Now let's take it from the other side and ask: What would it be like for "Moon modifying Sun"?

What does Moon "do to another planet" when in aspect? It responds freely to the planet's energies, permits its easy expression, and employs its energies for adaptation.

What is affected when Sun is aspected? The aspect impacts our sense of identity, attitudes toward authoritative persons or institutions, and vitality.

So, in theory, "Moon modifying Sun" would respond freely to solar themes and motifs (things such as vitality, glory, authority figures), desire them, give easy expression in oneself to vitality, authority, and centricity, and - something I don't recall seeing anyone else write about so I tend to think of it as an original insight - "Moon modifying Sun" uses solar behaviors and energies for adaptation, as mentioned above.
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Re: Moon-Sun

Post by Parto » Mon May 03, 2021 7:07 pm

Thanks for the full coverage. You also ended up clarifying "importance as an adaptation," which seemed a bit of an awkward phrase to me (which I chalked up to this being a complex interplay to describe), but now it makes total sense.

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