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Prince Harry Meghan Bi-Wheel

Post by staragewiz » Fri May 18, 2018 10:13 am

Prince Harry
DOB: 9/16/1984
Birth Time: 4:20 PM BST -A-
Paddington, England

Meghan Markle
DOB: 8/4/1981
Birth Time: 4:46 AM -AA-
Canoga Park, Ca

Prince Harry , Meghan Markle .....Bi-Wheel for Kensington Palace new residence.
Prince Harry's Saturn 18Lib24 conj.Meghan's East Pt 17Lib16.square his own East Pt.
Meghan's Mars 16Gem58 opp. Harry's Asc 18Sag01
Meghan's Res. Asc 3Li09 conj. Harry's Pluto 06Li04

The intra-aspects could indicate some difficulties in keeping a harmonious relationship together.
Can do, but difficult compromises will have to be made. At least from an
astrological perspective.
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Re: Prince Harry Meghan Bi-Wheel

Post by Venus_Daily » Fri May 18, 2018 8:54 pm

I have a strong feeling this will end in scandal down the road. There's no interplay between their natal luminaries or venuses. I bet they have a lot of synastry as far as progressions go, but that's fleeting at best.

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Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Fri May 18, 2018 9:55 pm

Oh, Venus you're always such an optimistic romantic. :twisted:

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Post by Avshalom Binyamin » Fri May 18, 2018 9:58 pm

Well, in fairness, neither actors nor nobility have a reputation for long-lasting, happy pairings. :?

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Re: Prince Harry Meghan Bi-Wheel

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat May 19, 2018 12:14 am

Astrologers have an interesting perspective available because of knowing where planets were at different times. I looked at Meghan's chart and thought, "Don't I know those planets from somewhere?"

Of course, I did. She was born six days after Charles & Diana's wedding on July 29, 1981, 11:28 AM BST, in London. I've worked that chart to death in SMA and knew the planets well. Her Ascendant is even nearly that of the Cansolar AND Caplunar for the wedding.

A Cancer-Virgo makes a good storybook princess. :) And she has Moon with the season's "royal coupling" Jupiter-Saturn conjunction, and angular (Jupiter foremost). She'll do fine. She's more Di than Fergie.

Her Mars on his Descendant is pretty intense, though, considering that little else is going on besides his Saturn to her Sun; but being married into that family is going to be a bit of Saturn on your Sun anyway,
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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat May 19, 2018 1:36 am

Notice one of the distinctive mark of Windsor royalty: Harry has an unusual number of dignified planets. Against Venus in her fall, we have: Sun at home in Leo, Moon exalted in Taurus, Mars at home in Scorpio, Jupiter at home in Sagittarius, and Saturn exalted in Libra.
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Re: Prince Harry Meghan Bi-Wheel

Post by staragewiz » Sun May 20, 2018 12:06 pm

Jim, Interesting take on Harry's dignified planets.
With Harry's Saturn conj. Meghan's residence East Pt.
while Square his own East. Pt suggests the heavy responsibility
and sacrifices that come with their titles i.e. charity work, etc.

All the 'Love' and 'Romance' of the Royal Wedding
was a somewhat refreshing break from all the insane negativity
going on in the world and all the Trump ugliness.

Will check their Solunars for additional info on their 'Romance".

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun May 20, 2018 12:30 pm

You can find these patterns in others of the family.

Elizbeth has Sun exalted (Aries), Moon at home (Cancer), Mars exalted (Capricorn), but Mercury (Pisces) and Jupiter (Capricorn) debilited. George V had Saturn exalted (Libra) and Jupiter at home (Sagittarius), against Venus in detriment and Mars in fall (one could add in the plus column Neptune in Pisces and Pluto in Aries). George the six had Jupiter in the exact degree of exaltation (15° Cancer) on MC, Mars at home (Scorpio), Venus at home (Libra), and Saturn exalted (Libra), against Moon in fall (Scorpio).

In contrast, Charles, whom I have never suspected would sit long on the throne, has Sun in fall (Libra), Venus in fall (Virgo), and Saturn in detriment (Leo); but even he has Mars at home (Scorpio) and Jupiter at home (Sagittarius). Edward VIII had every planet peregrine (neither dignified nor debilited), though his luminaries were in the anti-royal constellations Gemini and Aquarius.

And, bizarrely, Queen Victoria is completely out of the loop; but I did say, originally, it was House of Windsor, which she was not. (She had Moon exalted in Taurus, but Venus in Aries and Jupiter in Capricorn). Her son, Edward VII, also not Windsor, is also out of the loop with Sun in Libra and Venus in Virgo (but one could count Uranus in Aquarius).

Prince William is a minor case, with Venus in Taurus only.

Some much older ones clearly don't hold up the pattern (except William), which seems more Windsor-centric:
King George I, Saturn exalted (Libra) vs. Mars fall (Cancer).
King George II Moon home (Cancer), Venus home (Libra) vs. Sun fall (Libra)
King George III Mercury home (Gemini) - essentially nothing.
King George IV Venus fall (Virgo), Mars detriment (Libra), Saturn fall (Aries)
King William IV Sun home (Leo), Mercury exalted (Virgo), Jupiter exalted (Cancer)
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Post by Venus_Daily » Sun May 20, 2018 1:03 pm

Prince William is a minor case, with Venus in Taurus only.
I've often thought he took after Diana the most in temperament and physical appearance, and sure enough, they're both Geminis. Harry is very much his father's son in temperament and physical appearance, he's even been known to be belligerent like his grandfather. I was just going over the Solunar Handbook, and the portion on Leo describes Harry perfectly.
I was thinking last night about the lineage of the Windsor family along with other Royal families, and I think these dignities and debilities may describe the inheritance of highly concentrated or inbred genes. Think about it, they probably did not just inbreed to retain power but to also retain or purify strengths and characteristics they thought beneficial to rulers of the crown.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun May 20, 2018 1:28 pm

Diana didn't overtly bring much of this into the family, though I don't have her parents etc. charts to look deeper.

She was a Spencer, a house that in some ways had stronger claim to pre-eminence than the Windsors. It was very much a planned legal and blood mingling of lines, and William and Harry have far stronger royal and aristocratic bloodlines than any who came before them.

Diana's dignities are sparse. For one, she had the anti-royal Gemini-Aqurius combination of Charles' great-uncle, the late Duke of Windsor. (That's not entirely surprising.) In termsofoutright dignities vs. debilities, she had Mercury at home (Gemini), Venus at home (Taurus), Saturn home (Capricorn) vs. Jupiter fall (Capricorn). Not bad on pure numeric balance, though not the planets we most see holding the dignities. One of the most dignified-seeming marks of her chart is Spica exactly on MC.
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Re: Prince Harry Meghan Bi-Wheel

Post by TheScales_BothWays » Sun May 20, 2018 8:25 pm

staragewiz wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 10:13 am
Prince Harry
DOB: 9/16/1984
Birth Time: 4:20 PM BST -A-
Paddington, England
Google, Wikipedia and astro.com (A-rated) all state that his birthday is a day earlier, on the 15th. Birth time is the same in astro.com.

That places his Moon at 26º49' Aries, sesquisquaring Meghan's Jupiter-Saturn conjunction partile. This also loses his dignified Moon, but hey, at least he has Uranus in Scorpio.
Also, his un-Venus, Aries Moon would kinda explain his looks when he was younger (although he is hardly half bad right now 😁) and I suppose to the more traditional Sidereal astrologer, his red/ginger hair.
Not to mention Venus's statements that he's belligerent in character. And aha, he would share his father, Charles' Moon sign.

Also, it only adds to the storybook quality of the couple! Prince Harry, the Leo-Aries, and (technically she's now a Princess, right?) Meghan, the Cancer-Virgo. 💖
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A Cancer-Virgo makes a good storybook princess. And she has Moon with the season's "royal coupling" Jupiter-Saturn conjunction, and angular (Jupiter foremost). She'll do fine. She's more Di than Fergie.
Yes! Love this. I personally love how astrology is beyond things like race and gender. If you're royal-worthy, you're royal worthy. 👰✨

Regarding the synastry between them, I'm not a big fan of it either. But lately I have noticed that Virgo Moon women with strong Mars influences (like Sun in a Mars constellation) are often seen as "irresistable" to many straight men. One of them is (sorry for mentioning her) is a known pornography actress, who has Sun in Capricorn (and maybe near Mars's exaltation) and a possible Moon-Mars square. Straight guys around my age are all over her. I also know two Aries-Virgo women, whose sexual appeal even I as a gay male can notice. So coming to the point, Meghan has Mars partile square her MC, and both her masculine planets Sun and Mars are on Prince Harry's Westpoint and Descendant respectively.

Jim, which is the operating Solar Ingress for London? The Capsolar has Neptune on Nadir (not partile) but the prior Libsolar has a beautiful Moon-Venus conjunction rising around 1º below the horizon. The operating lunar ingess, the Caplunar for the wedding has bang-on Sun-Jupiter-Pluto angularities for both the ceremony and all the new, non-traditional elements of the wedding, beginning with the fact that Meghan Markle is the bride. According to Business Insider, they were officially married at 12.39pm, that's good because the Canlunar with Saturn on IC is only later around 3.51pm. (Are Sun and Jupiter both moderately angular in the 12.39pm wedding chart? No access to Solar Fire for now).

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Re: Prince Harry Meghan Bi-Wheel

Post by Venus_Daily » Mon May 21, 2018 11:48 am

TheScales_BothWays wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 8:25 pm
staragewiz wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 10:13 am
Prince Harry
DOB: 9/16/1984
Birth Time: 4:20 PM BST -A-
Paddington, England
Google, Wikipedia and astro.com (A-rated) all state that his birthday is a day earlier, on the 15th. Birth time is the same in astro.com.

That places his Moon at 26º49' Aries, sesquisquaring Meghan's Jupiter-Saturn conjunction partile. This also loses his dignified Moon, but hey, at least he has Uranus in Scorpio.
Also, his un-Venus, Aries Moon would kinda explain his looks when he was younger (although he is hardly half bad right now 😁) and I suppose to the more traditional Sidereal astrologer, his red/ginger hair.
Not to mention Venus's statements that he's belligerent in character. And aha, he would share his father, Charles' Moon sign.

Also, it only adds to the storybook quality of the couple! Prince Harry, the Leo-Aries, and (technically she's now a Princess, right?) Meghan, the Cancer-Virgo. 💖
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Sat May 19, 2018 1:36 am
A Cancer-Virgo makes a good storybook princess. And she has Moon with the season's "royal coupling" Jupiter-Saturn conjunction, and angular (Jupiter foremost). She'll do fine. She's more Di than Fergie.
Yes! Love this. I personally love how astrology is beyond things like race and gender. If you're royal-worthy, you're royal worthy. 👰✨

Regarding the synastry between them, I'm not a big fan of it either. But lately I have noticed that Virgo Moon women with strong Mars influences (like Sun in a Mars constellation) are often seen as "irresistable" to many straight men. One of them is (sorry for mentioning her) is a known pornography actress, who has Sun in Capricorn (and maybe near Mars's exaltation) and a possible Moon-Mars square. Straight guys around my age are all over her. I also know two Aries-Virgo women, whose sexual appeal even I as a gay male can notice. So coming to the point, Meghan has Mars partile square her MC, and both her masculine planets Sun and Mars are on Prince Harry's Westpoint and Descendant respectively.

Jim, which is the operating Solar Ingress for London? The Capsolar has Neptune on Nadir (not partile) but the prior Libsolar has a beautiful Moon-Venus conjunction rising around 1º below the horizon. The operating lunar ingess, the Caplunar for the wedding has bang-on Sun-Jupiter-Pluto angularities for both the ceremony and all the new, non-traditional elements of the wedding, beginning with the fact that Meghan Markle is the bride. According to Business Insider, they were officially married at 12.39pm, that's good because the Canlunar with Saturn on IC is only later around 3.51pm. (Are Sun and Jupiter both moderately angular in the 12.39pm wedding chart? No access to Solar Fire for now).
That type of sexual appeal sounds pretty androgynous.

I'm not a big fan of that synastry either, it appears she may be married to Monarchy like Diana as opposed to Harry. Personally, I love the diversity she's bringing to the royal house being mixed race, but she's just one of those people that rubs me the wrong way. I've always gotten some sort of intuitive feeling about people, and most of the time, I am right. She seems to be a bit too plastic for my taste, I don't know if it's because she was an actress, and she's used to projecting the facade. I feel like she's more of an upstart as opposed to a princess.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon May 21, 2018 12:53 pm

TheScales_BothWays wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 8:25 pm
Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 1:36 am
A Cancer-Virgo makes a good storybook princess. And she has Moon with the season's "royal coupling" Jupiter-Saturn conjunction, and angular (Jupiter foremost). She'll do fine. She's more Di than Fergie.
Yes! Love this. I personally love how astrology is beyond things like race and gender. If you're royal-worthy, you're royal worthy. 👰✨
I kind of meant the opposite, though. Her Cancer-Virgo luminaries are very much "archetypal female + Cinderella." She's equipped to be a symbol of "that lovely princess," but never a prince.
Jim, which is the operating Solar Ingress for London?
Here's the write-up: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=2067#p15341

Capsolar for the year, Arisolar for the quarter.
The Capsolar has Neptune on Nadir (not partile) but the prior Libsolar has a beautiful Moon-Venus conjunction rising around 1º below the horizon.
Nope, Libsolar is out of the picture. Neptune is quite appropriate BTW both for royal events in general (it's one of the indicators of British royalty events - just as Fagan observed that Sun-Neptune aspects dominated British royalty natal charts). It's also fitting for fairy tale events (some key appearances for Charles & Diana etc.). The Arisolar wasn't more than passingly descriptive. -- The really hot chart is the Caplunar, as you detected!
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Re: Prince Harry Meghan Bi-Wheel

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon May 21, 2018 3:35 pm

TheScales_BothWays wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 8:25 pm
Google, Wikipedia and astro.com (A-rated) all state that his birthday is a day earlier, on the 15th. Birth time is the same in astro.com.
Good catch. Confirmed. Aries Moon like his father.

That makes a minor difference in the synastry. simply from Meghan having a Cancer Sun in sign-square to his Moon-sign. It's another sign of her psychological dominance in the relationship despite Harry's having a close Moon-Sun trine in dominating signs.

It also makes a change in their composite. Because they both have Moon on IC now, their composite also has Moon on IC. However it still suffers from having Saturn-Pluto conjunct on Descendant, to which we now add Moon square Pluto.
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Sun May 20, 2018 8:25 pm
According to Business Insider, they were officially married at 12.39pm... (Are Sun and Jupiter both moderately angular in the 12.39pm wedding chart? No access to Solar Fire for now).
They're the closest, though not all that close. Sun is 5°29' before MC, Jupiter 7°27' past IC. What's of interest, though, is that (look closely at those numbers) it means that SUn/Jupiter midpoint is 0°59' from the meridian. Given the unconventional elements of the wedding, I find the Mars-Uranus square (0°03') and Moon-Pluto opposition (1°57') interesting.
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Post by Arena » Thu May 24, 2018 6:16 am

Prince Harry is indeed born on Sept 15th and not the 16th.
and I suppose to the more traditional Sidereal astrologer, his red/ginger hair.
If we look at science of genetics we would suspect that the rumors about Harry being the son of Diana's lover outside her marriage with Charles are true because in order to have a red-haired child, you need the red hair gene on both sides of that child, both the mother and the father need to carry the gene. Diana's family does indeed have red-haired people, her brother has red hair so Diana carried the gene. However, I don't know of anyone in the Royal family with red hair, except for Harry. So maybe Harry is not really a prince genetically. But I guess we will never know if this is true or not.

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Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu May 24, 2018 5:08 pm

Charles father, Prince Phillip sported a full ginger beard when he was Harry's age and Harry favors him in other ways.

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Post by Arena » Sun May 27, 2018 4:14 am

There are a few points of this synastry.
Her Moon-Saturn-Jup conjunction is square his Jupiter.
His Moon is opposing her Uranus, they probably have fun together and she is able to surprise him.
His POF is on her Venus, his Venus is around her Pluto and her POF is on his Nnode while his Nnode is close to her ASC and his Venus is close to her IC and all this combined makes a very strong and deep emotional connection between people.
Her Mars is on his DSC which is probably expressed in high passion and sexual energy and his Venus widely squares that Mars. Her Venus also squares his Mars so they most likely connect very well in their bedroom. His Uranus is also square her Venus which could mean that he will change her attitudes in love or I've also read it can be a sign of the Uranus person cheating. They have a mutual Uranus to Vertex contact, her Uranus is sq his Vx and his Uranus is conj her Vx. This might mean that they can have lots of fun together, travel a whole lot and have an ever-changing life, but the downside is that it might also mean they will break up because of their individual need for independence. A breakup is not necessary though if both have the same need and understanding for each other's independence.

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Arena wrote:
Sun May 27, 2018 4:14 am
[...] Uranus person cheating.
Uranus rejoices in being exposed and exposing others to the (sometimes exquisitely shocking :mrgreen: ) pure and simple nakedness of Truth.
Neptune may be more adequate as ergie in "cheating", understood as dishonesty to self and/or partner in romantic relationships.
[We may say that one veils, the other unveils.]
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Post by Arena » Thu May 31, 2018 4:38 am

Uranus and Neptune energies can both be responsible for straying outside of a relationship. The Uranus person with its need for freedom and independence may do it differently than the Neptune person with its need for attachment and romance. The Uranus person may talk his partner into an open relationship and be open about his needs or may justify his actions to himself by his simple need for variety and novelty. The Neptune person, however, may be more likely to cheat as in going behind the other's back and not coming forward and not being open and honest about it as the Uranus person might be. The Neptune person will want to keep his attachment and therefore lie about his cheating or simply just hide it, while the Uranus person may be more able to let go of it.

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