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Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Lance » Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:35 pm

Female JY
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SSR Location: Austin, TX


Check out her upcoming SSR. There are so many closely angular planets, I have no idea how to approach interpreting it. The Moon-Venus aspect might cast it all in a romantic light, but it is a trine. Any suggestions?

Angular Transiting Planets

Uranus on DSC, 0°15'
Moon on DSC, 0°21'
Pluto on ASC, 0°28'
Sun on WP, 0°44'
Mercury on WP, 0°53'
Saturn on EP, 1°01'

Angular Natal Planets

Sun sq. MC, 0°41'
Uranus on MC, 2°03'
Jupiter on DSC, 3°10'

t Moon Aspects

t Moon conj. t Uranus, 0°27'
t Moon trine t Venus, 2°13'

Partile Aspects

t Moon conj. t Uranus, 0°27'
t Mercury oct. t Neptune, 0°31'
t Sun conj. t Mercury, 0°38'

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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Parto » Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:40 pm

A trine, not even that close? I don't know about that.

Overall, it seems very intense (stressful?), probably transformative, with her as a center of attention.

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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:53 pm

Your numbers are correct (you wrote Dsc when you meant IC, threw me a moment), but I'm going to organize this a little differently for my convenience:

t Saturn on EP-a -0°49'
t Moon on IC -0°21'
t Uranus on IC -0°15'
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t Pluto conj. Asc +0°28'
r Sun on WP-a +0°42'
t Mercury on WP-a +0°53'

r Uranus on MC +2°04'
r Jupiter on Dsc +3°11'

t Moon conj. t Uranus 0°06' mundo
t Moon-Pluto sq. 0°49' mundo

t Moon op. r Uranus 1°14'

t Moon-Uranus conj. 0°06' mundo
t Mercury conj. r Sun 0°11' in RA
t Uranus-Pluto sq. 0°43' mundo
t Saturn op. r Mercury 0°40' mundo
t Moon-Pluto sq. 0°49' mundo

r Jupiter-Uranus sq. 1°07' mundo
t Saturn op. r Sun 1°16'
t Pluto sq. r Uranus 1°36' mundo
t Uranus op. r Uranus 1°41'
t Pluto op. r Jupiter 1°59'
t Moon op. r Uranus 2°25'
t Saturn sq. r Uranus 2°41'

Other Partile
t Jupiter sq. r MC 0°01'
t Neptune conj. r Venus 0°01'
t Mars conj. r Saturn 0°07'
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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:22 pm

Ye gads and little fishes! What a chart. It's not an easy one. Perhaps its greatest strength is that, more than anything, it should prove interesting. But she has some hard stuff to work through.

First: It is overwhelmingly a chart that will result in her life a year from now barely resembling her life now. Change is enormous. The existence of Pluto 0° from Ascendant in partile mundane square to a 0°06' Moon-Uranus conjunction on IC - with all of them also aspecting her Uranus on MC - is maybe unlike any solar return I've ever seen. Things as they are come apart, something entirely different replaces them, and her life is so fundamentally shifted that there is no looking back.

Some of it is rough. The whole thing may feel like a struggle and require more stamina than she currently thinks she has. Saturn is less than 1° from an angle exactly opposite Mercury, both atop natal Sun. Saturn to Sun will define much of the year, Mercury-Saturn will bring frustrations and/or demand great care and calculation.

And yet, there is something protective, even genius in the whole thing. She doesn't have a natal Jupiter-Uranus aspect but - because of the paran formed within the angle structure of the SSR - she has a nearly partile natal Jupiter-Uranus square on the SSR angles. (Her Jupiter is 3°11' past Descendant, her Uranus 2°04' past MC, so they are 1°07' from mundane square.) This should bring out the best in her - some idea breaking out (definitely her participating the "breaking out" conditions). And don't forget that, despite it's hard transits, her Sun is angular - her self-expression and self-unfolding is central to this process.

She has two excruciatingly close non-foreground aspects - one classically hard and one beatifically positive. Transiting Mars conjoins natal Saturn 0°07'. Transiting Jupiter squares her MC 0°01'. Both of these will be felt and may be representative of the whole feel of the year, the mix of struggle and payoff. (She should watch when these come to an angle.) Another aspect within 0°01' is transiting Neptune conjunct her Venus. This might be romantic but, in any case, is probably a desire for something too good to be true, a love for something unobtainable, a lot of dreaming. I'm not sure how this fits into the picture - not sure at all. It could show her being being deceived and conned, or show something idyllic, unrealistic, and harmless that is an important psychological release and salve during the year.
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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Parto » Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:28 pm

Question: why is Moon-Pluto not listed with the Moon aspects? Not sure it matters since Pluto is angular anyway, but so is Uranus and yet Moon-Uranus is there.

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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:31 pm

Parto wrote:
Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:28 pm
Question: why is Moon-Pluto not listed with the Moon aspects? Not sure it matters since Pluto is angular anyway, but so is Uranus and yet Moon-Uranus is there.
You're right, it should be. I'll adjust this.
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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Danica » Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:54 pm

Lance, I hope you don’t mind that I moved this - makes it practically easier for everyone when we endeavor to keep the threads by subject/main topic in their pertinent sub—forums.
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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Lance » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:35 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:53 pm
Your numbers are correct (you wrote Dsc when you meant IC, threw me a moment), but I'm going to organize this a little differently for my convenience:

t Saturn on EP-a -0°49'
t Moon on IC -0°21'
t Uranus on IC -0°15'
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t Pluto conj. Asc +0°28'
r Sun on WP-a +0°42'
t Mercury on WP-a +0°53'

r Uranus on MC +2°04'
r Jupiter on Dsc +3°11'

t Moon conj. t Uranus 0°06' mundo
t Moon-Pluto sq. 0°49' mundo

t Moon op. r Uranus 1°14'

t Moon-Uranus conj. 0°06' mundo
t Mercury conj. r Sun 0°11' in RA
t Uranus-Pluto sq. 0°43' mundo
t Saturn op. r Mercury 0°40' mundo
t Moon-Pluto sq. 0°49' mundo

r Jupiter-Uranus sq. 1°07' mundo
t Saturn op. r Sun 1°16'
t Pluto sq. r Uranus 1°36' mundo
t Uranus op. r Uranus 1°41'
t Pluto op. r Jupiter 1°59'
t Moon op. r Uranus 2°25'
t Saturn sq. r Uranus 2°41'

Other Partile
t Jupiter sq. r MC 0°01'
t Neptune conj. r Venus 0°01'
t Mars conj. r Saturn 0°07'
Some questions:

1. Regarding the plus and minus signs on the degrees of the angular planets: Does this simply refer to which side of the angle the planet is on, or does it reference applying versus separating? What information if any does it give you about the practical effect of the planet?

2. If you use the spreadsheet to calculate the angularity of the natal planets, how do you know to assign it plus or minus?

3. When measuring aspects in eclipto versus in mundo versus in RA, is there a practical difference? Do you just look at all and go with the closest? Does the answer to this just go with SSRs and SLRs, or does it apply to all charts?

4. Why are the three aspects listed under "Other Partile" instead of grouped with the others? I can't tell the difference.

Thanks.

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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:07 pm

Lance wrote:
Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:35 pm
1. Regarding the plus and minus signs on the degrees of the angular planets: Does this simply refer to which side of the angle the planet is on, or does it reference applying versus separating? What information if any does it give you about the practical effect of the planet?
Only which side. It allows me to use the same list to calculate mundane aspects between natal and transiting planets.
2. If you use the spreadsheet to calculate the angularity of the natal planets, how do you know to assign it plus or minus?
The logic is: "Minus" means the angle-planet crossing hasn't happened yet (e.g., planet in 1st or 10th house hasn't gotten to the angle yet); "plus" means the planet has gone past the angle. Works the same for natal or transit.

Or, to put it another way, anything in the 0-10 degree part of a house is approaching the angle (minus), while anything in the 20-30 degree part of a house is leaving the angle (plus).
3. When measuring aspects in eclipto versus in mundo versus in RA, is there a practical difference? Do you just look at all and go with the closest? Does the answer to this just go with SSRs and SLRs, or does it apply to all charts?
No interpretive difference. Yes, whichever is closer. Think of it as a pair of planets AT ALL TIMES have a degree of "aspectivity" or connection that rises from 0% to 100%. It doesn't matter which legitimate form of the aspect raises is score / strength / odds.
4. Why are the three aspects listed under "Other Partile" instead of grouped with the others? I can't tell the difference.

Those are non-foreground planets. (That is, at least one of them is not foreground.) For the core meaning, I require that both planets be foreground. However, all partile conjunctions, oppositions, and squares appear to have a voice.

My use of them in practice, to give them proper weight, is: Interpret the return without them and conclude what the basic period is about; then read this supplemental list as "fill in." Don't require yourself to interpret every one of them. See where they "fill in the gaps," but don't let them contradict what you get from the core of "angular planets and the closer hard aspects between them." Understand that some of them might not be obvious in real life if they don't somehow fit into what's happening with the main message of the chart.
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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Lance » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:34 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:07 pm

Lance wrote:2. If you use the spreadsheet to calculate the angularity of the natal planets, how do you know to assign it plus or minus?
The logic is: "Minus" means the angle-planet crossing hasn't happened yet (e.g., planet in 1st or 10th house hasn't gotten to the angle yet); "plus" means the planet has gone past the angle. Works the same for natal or transit.

Or, to put it another way, anything in the 0-10 degree part of a house is approaching the angle (minus), while anything in the 20-30 degree part of a house is leaving the angle (plus).
I'm sorry, but I don't understand. If I use the Excel spreadsheet to calculate angularity of the natal planets, doesn't it only give me degree from the angle without any information about whether it is approaching or leaving the angle?

What I'm asking is how you get that information when you are using the Excel spreadsheet? Am I missing something? Do you have to look at a chart as well or something?

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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:48 am

Lance wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:34 am
I'm sorry, but I don't understand. If I use the Excel spreadsheet to calculate angularity of the natal planets, doesn't it only give me degree from the angle without any information about whether it is approaching or leaving the angle?
No, it gives you the mundoscope location of the planet measured as 0°-30° within a specific house. For example, here's what it gives for my natal planets in my next (July 27) SLR. (I've manually added an X at the end of the line of each one that is foreground.)

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PLANET		HOUSE	°	'		
Moon	Mon	5	21	42		
Sun	Sun	12	17	37		
Mercury	Mer	1	13	24		
Venus	Ven	1	28	20		
Mars	Mar	3	21	34		x
Jupiter	Jup	9	25	30		x
Saturn	Sat	1	9	29		x
Uranus	Ura	9	25	18		x
Neptune	Nep	12	26	14		x
Pluto	Plu	10	25	43		
Eris	Eri	6	5	29		
So, for example, natal Jupiter shows as 25°30' in the 9th house, i.e., 4°30' past the MC (4°30' from 30° of the 9th house = MC). I would write this as +4°30' (though plus and minus are up to you if the opposite makes more sense - having passed MC and moved a few degrees into the 9H, it makes sense for me to think of this as "MC plus 4°30'.")
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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Lance » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:58 am

AH! Thanks. I see it now. I was completely ignoring one of the tables.

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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:02 pm

Lance wrote:
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AH! Thanks. I see it now. I was completely ignoring one of the tables.
That's the only table that gives you anything useful Tab 3 is for you to add the data, Tab 2 is for the calculations. Only Tab 1 gives you what you want.
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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Lance » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:12 pm

Oh, well, I'm using Mike's(?) version of the spreadsheet, and it breaks it down with two different tables - one that looks like your example and then another that just gives degrees from the angle.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:13 pm

Which Mike? - I wasn't aware there were multiple versions in circulation.
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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Lance » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:24 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:13 pm
Which Mike? - I wasn't aware there were multiple versions in circulation.
I got it from Scales' post in this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1544&p=33566&hilit= ... eet#p33526

It might be Derek's though. I'm uncertain.

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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:26 pm

Thanks. You have my curiosity up! (I'll have to find a neutral computer to grab it from. I've managed to spend my entire life never accessing anything on Google Drive, and I'm not about to let them catch me on it now... but I can probably get it from one of our locked down conference room computers,)
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Post by Lance » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:53 am

This is an old and dear friend of mine, so I'm trying to be a really good astrologer since this is pretty dramatic SSR.

So the next steps would be to look at all of her SLRs (and transits and progressions) for the following solar year to get an idea of timing, am I correct?

But like... the only planets that aren't angular are Venus, Mars, and Neptune! So I was thinking that since the transiting angular planets are generally considered as events coming from the outside, I would focus on looking for when the SSR's *transiting* angular planets end up on the angles in her SLRs to try to time external events. I guess I could do something similar with the SSR's natal angular planets to time her response...

Am I off in left field here?

Hm... She's got a double-pass t. Uranus opp. r. Uranus coming up. I'm putting some money on those...

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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by SteveS » Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:14 pm

Don’t forget possible Solar Arcs 0,90,180 involving angles.

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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by Lance » Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:21 pm

SteveS wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:14 pm
Don’t forget possible Solar Arcs 0,90,180 involving angles.
Well, lol, I can’t remember what those are or how to do that at the moment. What I’m working on learning right now is looking also at all the transits between the natal and the return.

What I’m talking about doing overall… Is that more your technique or Jim’s, or both? I can’t remember.

Either way, I’m gonna write up her whole year and see what I see. It’ll be the first time I’ve ever looked that closely at someone’s year.

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Re: Lance's Friend JY - 2021 SSR

Post by SteveS » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:43 am

Lance wrote:
Either way, I’m gonna write up her whole year and see what I see. It’ll be the first time I’ve ever looked that closely at someone’s year.
Excellent Lance! Including my wife and me there are about 10 people I look at closely every year beginning with their birthdays. People I am very close to only want me to read their years telling them if I see any time windows when “outstanding incidents” may occur in their lives. Before me and a few close business colleagues became so old and in retirement mold, I would tell em to call me when they had important business meetings or were planning any type of important business meetings. When most important one day business meetings were occurring, I discovered daily Solar Quotidians with transits were most important, they were amazing, many interesting stories. I will offer how I analyze whole years as main overviews.

I want to be working with birth certificate birth times!

1: Look to see if there are any partile 0 90 180 Solar Arc hits involving Natal Angles. These are most important with time windows of a couple of years
2: Look to see if any partile transits are occurring to Natal Angles with the outer planets.
3: Look to see if any “outstanding incident” SSR’s or SLR’s are happening but you have to know where the person is located when these happen in time. When I am working with other people and their SSR’s/SLR’s they are most impressed with their “outstanding incident” return charts. Always note partile 0 90 180 aspects to return moons! Always note partile conjunctions to return angles for important stuff. Jim’s teachings taught me the importance of “outstanding incident” return charts and he taught me we need to always include the Demi SLR. I have seen a few cases when just one “outstanding incident” DSLR can highlight an entire year.
4: Our four Moons are most important with partile aspects! These four Moons are Natal, Solar Return, p. Natal, p. Solar Return. I am always most interested in tracking possible partile aspects, particularly the 0 & 180 with our 4 Moons. You will discover there are more hits involving out p. Solar Moons because every new solar year we have another different solar moon position which has the potential of becoming very important. Cyril Fagan, the father of Sidereal Astrology taught, taught me from his writing the importance of these 4 Moons.

I am not saying my method is the best way, every astrologer is different with their own personal analysis, but I have found the 4 above overview steps greatly helps me get into the meat of a year’s time frame and will help me to zero-in on other minor methods of astrology if needed.

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