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Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by SteveS » Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:45 am

I have a deep dislike for politics/politicians in general, mainly because its full of elitism, but during election years I love to look at only AA rated charts for candidates who are running for Prez. Why! Because as a seasoned gambler I win $ betting on the outcome of Prez elections. Now that I am retired and have too much time on my mind, I am following more closely politics with headline political news on both the Right & Left Wing media sources :roll: . This headline political news is so ridiculous relative to my personal philosophy, it reminds me of an old Movie Titled “Its a Mad Mad Mad World,” a great comedy back in the good ole days when people still knew how to laugh. Back in my glory days I could buy this movie for 25$ and put it on all the Drive-Inn Screens every Summer for the small Theater Company which employed me, and turn cars away trying to buy tickets for “Its a Mad Mad Mad World.” The Company over many years made so much profits on this one Movie (Comedy)-- it was surreal, "laughter is the best medicine." Watching politics in the World (USA), I now find myself living in-- is actually a better comedy than the actual movie “Its a Mad Mad Mad World”---please, I intend no offense to the people on this forum who take their politics seriously with very sensitive feelings.

Never in my life I have seen a candidate (Bloomberg) totally alienate the voters he has recently been trying to buy with his wealth by appearing on the Las Vegas Debate. One thing for sure, Mike Bloomberg does not have a Sidereal Astrologer on his pay-roll; otherwise, he could have saved a half-billion $ on the TV adds he has purchased with his objective of trying to buy the Dem Nominee! And he could have saved himself a-lot of 'tormenting' embarrassment with his most recent 'outstanding incident' Mars-Neptune SLR-- which I will post later.. Mr. Bloomberg has learned the lesson---$ can't necessarily buy you what you want, at least by appearing on a Dem Nominee Debate stage.

As I have stated with recent posts, Venus, particularly with old politicians running for Prez, IMO, symbolizes “voter relationships.” By what I can tell, Bloomberg was at his New York residence Feb 15 2020 for his SSR before flying out to LV for the Dem Debate. Note the main theme of his SSR: A Saturn-Pluto conjunction sitting on his New York DSC in rotational square to his SSR Venus (Voters) on his SSR MC partile conjunct his Natal MC. Obviously the main objective for Bloomberg is to buy/acquire votes for the Dem Nominee and win vs Trump who he absolutely hates for winning the 2016 Prez. His SSR Saturn partile 180 his Natal ASC and is partile 90 his SSR Venus in-mundo! Its this partile 90 angular mundo Venus-Saturn aspect in his SSR which has already separated (Saturn) himself from the Voters (Venus), even before the LV Debate began! "Timing is Everything."

Warren will probably not win Dem Nominee—but her great claim to this year's Dem Debates, and maybe her entire life will definitely be in two short minutes she more than likely took Bloomberg the multi-billionaire completely out of the Dem Nominee process. We will know more after Bloomberg's results in super Tuesday on Mar 2. Shakespeare is rolling in his grave with laughter :lol: ! We all find ourselves acting out our own stage plays with out Sidereal Astrology charts--sometimes tragically :cry: --sometimes with fun/laughter :D .

Bloomberg's 2020 SSR:
https://imgur.com/UTtXJML

AA Rodden rated Bloomberg's Natal Info:
Feb 14, 1942; 3:40 PM EWT; Brighton, MA; 42N21; 071W09,25.

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bloomberg,_Mike

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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:26 am

I don't think Bloomberg is actually seriously running. I think he has another game afoot.

Regardless, you give us (with this Solar Return) another great reason to be happy he isn't going to get the nomination.

I'd already determined he was a drop-dead loser in the highly unlikely chance he got the nomination because, on Election Day, transiting Saturn is conjunct his natal Descendant.

Besides, Americans don't elect Aquarians as president (although it is, by far, the leading Sun-sign historically for members of Congress).
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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by SteveS » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:44 am

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I'd already determined he was a drop-dead loser in the highly unlikely chance he got the nomination because, on Election Day, transiting Saturn is conjunct his natal Descendant.
Exactly! And on Election Day, transiting Saturn will be partile 180 Trump's Natal Venus. Will be very interesting to see how this Venus-Saturn symbolism on Election Days plays out for Trump.

Jim wrote:
Besides, Americans don't elect Aquarians as president (although it is, by far, the leading Sun-sign historically for members of Congress).
Interesting Jim. I saw an interesting economic statistic the other day: Young Americans are now having to work on average 53 weeks a year (yes, 53 wks) in order to make ends meet. I know younger people who tell me they have two jobs. Back in my hey days this same statistic was 33 weeks. Of course I know the main reason for this new statistic is the ravishes of inflation with the $ not buying the goods it use to buy. We are looking at a situation where single young people can't survive and single parents have it even worse, yet Trump goes around telling everyone how much better the economy is, which imo is a-lot BS. Something is eventually got to give or break with a deeply divided nation--politically.

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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:58 am

Taking your heyday as, say, 1977, and use changes in the Consumer Price Index as the best measurement of inflation (at least in terms of people's typical expenses), $1.00 in 1977 bought what $4.41 buys today.

Yet raw wages have not significantly changed for the vast majority of groups of people. In 1981 at age 26, $20,000/year was an income that made me really happy. Today, to get the same buying power, one needs to make $59,300/year.
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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:33 am

I agree with Jim. I know Bloomberg started out advertising for "anyone but Trump". He is a politician. With people around him insisting he should run, he did. But I don't think he really wants the job. It's the race that's the thing.

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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:40 am

I see Bloomberg using the role of running to do some stunning things. By staying out of the debate fray until this week, he's been able to spend his money only engaging Trump while everybody else is busy debating each other. He's saturated the airwaves with messages about things that deeply matter like gun control and climate change. He knows Trump leaves and breathes TV and hasn't given him a single channel, probably not a single hour of the day he can watch without seeing himself insulted and demeaned. It's psychological warfare at its most skilled.

And he's pledged a billion dollars to support whoever gets the nomination.

I know he'd like to knock Warren out - that's what triggered his entry - and she let him have it back this week. But by entering the fray, he's helped Warren and Sanders more than anybody because he's sucked a little life out of the more conservative candidates. That wasn't very smart.
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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by Avshalom Binyamin » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:47 am

The only candidates that would negatively impact the billionaires are Warren and Sanders, so I see Bloomberg's intent is only to prevent one of them from being president. And spending a billion or two now is much cheaper.

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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:50 am

Avshalom Binyamin wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:47 am
The only candidates that would negatively impact the billionaires are Warren and Sanders, so I see Bloomberg's intent is only to prevent one of them from being president. And spending a billion or two now is much cheaper.
Bloomberg opened his campaign mere days after Warren announced her idea of a Wealth Tax (taxing existing wealth, not just new income). I'm sure he didn't like it, and even before formalizing his run, he paused for an interview or two about how he thought she would drag the country down the drain. So yeah, he's not happy with her.

Ironically, his entry likely helped her most.
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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by SteveS » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:34 am

Jim wrote:
Yet raw wages have not significantly changed for the vast majority of groups of people. In 1981 at age 26, $20,000/year was an income that made me really happy. Today, to get the same buying power, one needs to make $59,300/year.
Exactly Jim! In 1971 I made 18,000 $ a year and was happy as a lark. I well remember those days, and its always the working class little people who are hurt the most by this huge change in buying power from the 1971 $. I feel for the "vast majority" of these groups of people. And its these lousy economic conditions of not enough buying power to make ends reasonably meet which is causing all kinds of separations occurring with all kinds of relationships. There is simply not enough time for relationships to grow and enjoy themselves as much as they did in the ole days--they are having to use most of their time working to financially make ends meet. I don't know what the solution is but I think I know one thing: I have not seen politics come-up with a viable solution---but the people on both sides of the political spectrum are simply getting fed-up---we can clearly see this with the candidates being elected, all talk but no real stable solutions. I don't know if any kind of elected government can do a viable solution for the people of this land. All I really see is most of the politicians stuffing their own pockets. Its the constant escalating cost of living with wages not keeping-up which is the true lie of matters, and I don't think the politicians have a true answer for the people.

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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by Veronica » Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:16 pm

Steve said

"And its these lousy economic conditions of not enough buying power to make ends reasonably meet which is causing all kinds of separations occurring with all kinds of relationships. There is simply not enough time for relationships to grow and enjoy themselves as much as they did in the ole days--they are having to use most of their time working to financially make ends meet."

This touched my soul.....

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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by Avshalom Binyamin » Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:28 pm

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/wealth-g ... ac94d5db89

I think this Pie-Slice video helps put it in perspective.

I made $19k a year in 2002, in New York City, as a 22-year-old diamond grader. Now--after 20 years of working, and job advancement, I make about the equivalent of $20-25k 30 years ago. And I'm more fortunate than many!

And we're being told that our social security--our money, which we saved--is an entitlement, and there's just not enough money to have a sensible healthcare system that would actually save lives.

And the reality is, just a couple percentage points of our military budget could end world hunger, there are more empty homes than homeless people, and if we limited people to just obscenely rich helipad/mansion wealthy instead of grotesque oligarch I'm going to buy a country wealthy, we could have so many millionaires and middle class people, and funding for art projects that would rival the renaissance in scope and endurance.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jun 04, 2022 10:31 am

Tagging onto Av's post a couple of years ago - this has, of course, continued to get worse (even if wages are slightly increasing at the moment).

I took the opportunity, on rediscovering this post, to do a little calculation. I started with my current employer in October 2006 but moved to a much better (and better paid) position in the company the last end of January 2008. For many years I routinely worked extensive OT (the manager who hired me correctly estimated that about a third of my income would be from OT). The OT was rolled back around 2018 and, overall, time has continued the economic trends Av documented.

After adjusting for inflation since the end of January 2008, my current base income is 62% of what I made in 2008, 2009, etc.! - That's probably not a fair general economic assessment, since it shows the considerable OT loss. But ignoring that, going only by my base pay rate, my current income (not long ago considered quite excellent) is 6% less than my 2008 rate, after adjustment for inflation.

As Dylan might have written today (but hasn't), the times they are NOT changing.
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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by SteveS » Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:57 am

Fortunately (my angular Jup-Node contact) put me into contact with a brilliant economic mind in 1975, (An Admiral who sat in on the Brenton Woods Agreement after WW11) who spent 2 weeks with me explaining the huge economic lie that was going to start occurring in the USA & World when Nixon took the World’s reserve currency (the US $) off the Gold Standard in Aug 1971, which occurred under 3 Jupiter-Neptune conjunctions, a huge Planetary economic lie in itself—symbolically. Without writing an essay I don’t know how to explain this in detailed words for clear understanding, but trust me when I say what the Admiral explained to me has become true and this economic lie is accelerating, the rich keep getting richer and the poor/middleclass keep getting poorer. It’s a huge economic deception. Basically the Admiral told me in detail how to start living much poorer in order to stay happier with psychological well-being.
The first thing he told me to do was purchase a very cheap roof over my head and completely sever myself from the economic lie America/World was now living. He told me if I did not purchase a cheap dry roof over my head, one day I would find myself living in the streets if I lived to an old age, because there would be little chance a corporation would ever pay me enough wages to ever pay-off a mortgage. I purchased a 29,000 $ ran down Summer Cottage in 1984 in a very rural area and was very lucky I was able to pay-off the mortgage. I own my own old vehicle. Do your best to to live debt free one day! The economic systems are designed to use you to always be in debt! Its psychological usery in a very corrup way without most people realizing what is happening to their economic well being. :(

I offer the same advice today for anyone still young reading this post: Somehow figure out a way you can put a safe dry roof--- fully paid for over your head---even if it may turn out to be a paid for Van/Vehicle or a cheap rundown fixer-up home with a dry roof in a safe rural area. I know this may be impossible for those who are trapped in metro areas even with good jobs. We are living under the most corrupt economic system ever invented in the entire World for the people! Our Government (both parties) are no longer working for the people of this Country as well with most World Governments.

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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by Veronica » Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:36 am

What an interesting connection you made with the military man Steve. As I was born under that 1971 conjunction of Jupiter/Neptune (Touching both my luminaries) in Scorpio my whole existence feels entangled in the actions of that time.

In the early 2000 I read a book that talked about the idea of 2 distinct types of lifeforms, lifestyles. One form stores sunlight energy for future use while the other lives off of current sunlight. Oddly enough I started rereading that book last week, I try and reread it every few years to keep its ideas fresh in my head. Highly recommend Ishmael by Daniel Quinn.

Anyhoo, this thread is not the place to delve into this, but I would be interested in hearing more of your ideas and insights about that 1971 Jupiter Neptune connection in Scorpio and why the following Neptune/Jupiter conjunctions up to this latest one in Aquarius have manifested experiences for humanity as they have and where the future conjunctions may well bring us collectively.

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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by SteveS » Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:09 am

V wrote and asked:
but I would be interested in hearing more of your ideas and insights about that 1971 Jupiter Neptune connection in Scorpio and why the following Neptune/Jupiter conjunctions up to this latest one in Aquarius have manifested experiences for humanity as they have and where the future conjunctions may well bring us collectively.
V, simply stated: Its my beleif that Jupiter-Neptune conjunctions have much to do with the beginning of possible major years long inflation spirals in the economy. This of course destroys our purchasing means of goods and services, it makes us (the people) poorer under a false pretense (Neptune) that things are benefic (Jupiter). Look at how economic news lately has been dominated with talk of spirialing inflation rates, which actually started with our last Jup-Nep conjunction in April of 2022. In 1971 there were 3 Jupiter-Neptune conjunctions when Nixon closed the Gold Exchange Window for the US $. This started a years long spiral of inflation which culminated in 1980 with interest rates near 18%. In other words, the Federal Reserve had to gradually jack interest rated to 18% in order to try and make the inflation rate go lower. But, in this same period most people thought everything was alright economically until they woke up realizing it was not ok economically.

Economically, Jup-Nep cycles act as a drug (Neptune), making the people think economically everything is OK (Jupiter).

If it had not been for the Admiral explaining true economics to me in 1976, I probably would have been divorced due to economic reasons and found myself without a very cheap paid for roof over my head. He told me what I had to do in order to avoid the big lie of the new economic system (inflation) started in 1971. There is absolutely nothing either party of our Government will do to stop the lie of the economic system we all are living under. Our Government is ruled by Big Banks, Wall Street, and Big Corporations and the way it has been explained to me this all started in 1971 with the 3 Jup-Nep conjunctions, a rare planetary event within itself. Or in other words: The Big Economic Lie (for the people) began in 1971 with the 3 Jupiter-Neptune Conjunctions. Psychologically, for the people this is not healthy because of the economic damage it will do the majority of the people in the long run. They find themselves in old age without a paid for roof over their heads to offer sanctuary, they find themselves trapped ecnomocally with the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. We live under a false harmful psychological economic system, but politics will make you think they will fix things economically. The Admiral brough me to a clear understanding of the lie of things economically and politically. The first question he asked me: Son, what kind of education do you have? I told him in college I never opened a book, partied my way through college! He said GOOD---I will be able to teach you something economically important for the rest of your life. I spent 12 Wednesdays with the Admiral teaching me certain truths, economically & politically, then the Admiral died 6 months later.

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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by Veronica » Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:15 am

Very interesting insights Steve, thank you for elaborating.

I personally would be more inclined to think that for the USA that the first Jupiter-Neptune conjunction after the Revolution when we were first getting our government up and running has much more bearing on things today then the 1971 conjunction.

I dont know, maybe it is my lack of higher education and not fully understanding mechanical things, but all my life I have heard the news headlines saying this is the end of America, that all is ugly and corrupt, a huge lie, the end is near.....and yes paying 2 dollars a gallon for drinking water seems tough, and yes lots of people are mega rich and mega poor.....

yet all around me are beautiful happy loving Americans who help each other, and donate and volunteer and step up and reach down to lift others up, and it just seems like while the news says how ugly life is, I can buy my water and nurture my flowers and watch them bloom because I live in a country that is working everyday to try and make things better for everyone. I know that I and millions of other residents took JFKs..." ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.." to my heart and soul.

YMMV, I do have very strong synastry with USAs chart so I maybe biased.

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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:57 am

The first Jupiter-Neptune conjunction after the U.S. was born was August 27, 1779 at 8°33' Scorpio. The American Revolution was still underway. The nearest major event was July 24, when the rebelling Americans suffered the worst naval defeat in U.S. history until Pearl Harbor. Though not called a "world war," all the world's major powers were at war. Early in September, Spanish troops conquered Baton Rouge and stole it from the British. The one big event covering the entire time (from July through September) was the Great Siege of Gibralter, with Spanish and French troops attacking Britain's stronghold. Naval wars flared across the oceans. It was clearly a Scorpio event, with warring and ferocity ripping at any scraps of humanity in so many places.

The only significant "neighbors helping neighbors" of the time - in the spirit of Jupiter-Neptune's "we do better together than apart" sense - was helping their neighbors go kill the invaders.
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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by Veronica » Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:13 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:57 am
The first Jupiter-Neptune conjunction after the U.S. was born was August 27, 1779 at 8°33' Scorpio. The American Revolution was still underway. The nearest major event was July 24, when the rebelling Americans suffered the worst naval defeat in U.S. history until Pearl Harbor. Though not called a "world war," all the world's major powers were at war. Early in September, Spanish troops conquered Baton Rouge and stole it from the British. The one big event covering the entire time (from July through September) was the Great Siege of Gibralter, with Spanish and French troops attacking Britain's stronghold. Naval wars flared across the oceans. It was clearly a Scorpio event, with warring and ferocity ripping at any scraps of humanity in so many places.

The only significant "neighbors helping neighbors" of the time - in the spirit of Jupiter-Neptune's "we do better together than apart" sense - was helping their neighbors go kill the invaders.
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OMG that sounds like an utterly nightmarish time!! Amazing that anyone survived all those horrors.
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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by SteveS » Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:05 am

V, I have no hate about America's economic system, under the circumstances of a rapidily growing population its probably the best sysyem possible. But I do understand what a Jupiter-Neptune economic system will do to most of an aged retired person/people, and for certain small companies. This is what the Admiral understood so well and was able to get me to understand so well for my economic future, relative to my economic conditions at the time of his teachings. Everything he told me about my economic future happened. If I had not done some of the exact things he told me to do relative to my economic circumstances, my economic future would have turned out to be in serious trouble for my retirement years. For sure, I would not have had a paid for roof (home) if I had not had the Admiral's wisdom guiding me. It's difficult for me to explain to other people.

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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by mikestar13 » Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:57 am

Steve would I had access to the admiral's wisdom at a time when it would do me some good. OTOH, if not for dead-broke poverty, I never would have found myself in a medicaid nursing home and would have never met the love of my life. God knows what He's doing, especially when it most seems He doesn't. -- Mike Nelson circa 1985.
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Post by SteveS » Tue Jun 07, 2022 4:03 pm

Mike, I am sure Admiral's economic wisdom is more suited for the young---30 years or less or maybe when one begins their first career job. Its just when I look back and years after I met Admiral, I came to the realization the 3 Jup-Nep conjunctions in 1971 colored much of what Admiral was trying to get me to understand I would facing economically for the rest of my life, a huge lie for the common working folks. I will be 75 this Sept and see so many of my generaqtion facing situations where they can't afford any type housing with their fixed incomes--they have become trapped & desperate.

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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

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Re: "...so many of my generation facing situations where they can't afford any type housing with their fixed incomes--they have become trapped & desperate."

Extremely relevant to this is understanding that this is THE PLAN. This isn't organic, it's being steered in exactly that direction. There is a goal in sight (driving these actions/decisions, going back long, long, long before 1971...especially highlighting 1913 for Americans and the world, since for much of this time in-between the U.S. Dollar was reserve currency, so that world financial viability was mixed in with Americans' free printing of money out of thin air) and for humanity, it's not a pleasant one. From an economic point of view, all the spoils continuously go up the pyramid, while the relative sh!t rolls downhill, leaving the common folk up to their necks in it.

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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by SteveS » Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:34 am

Excellent points ODdon. What the Admiral got me to understand is the false pretenses of the economic system I was living in, in other words, the reality of my economic future with the station of my life I was born into. He explained to me that it was going to get much worse for my generation since Nixon closed in Aug1971 the Gold Window window to the US $ preventing any Country exchanging US $ for Gold/Silver. This also allowed the US Printing of US $ to run wild and it is getting much worse.

When I was 30 years young the Admiral told me to figure out a way and be sure to secure my wife/I a paid for home. He lived through the Great Depression and said for anybody living in the economic systems of US, the most important goal they could set for themselves is owning outrght a home. He said if I did not achieve this goal I would be in deep psychological pain by the time I retired and was no longer useful to society in old age. My wife and I saved as much $ as possible and in 1984 bought outright a run-down 1880's Summer Cottage, 1250 square feet for 29 K. For sure--the best economic decision I made in my entire life, and I never would have made this economic decision if it had not been with the economic teachings from the Admirial. If I had not purchased this cheap home--my wife and I would have been in serious troubles with our fixed incomes.

My best economic advice to the young: the same advice the Admirial drilled into my mind: Figure out a way to own outright a dry roof over your head, if so, you will be able to weather any kind of poor economic conditions in old(er) age-- and will not be forced into sad(er) living conditions.

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Re: Mike Bloomberg's Feb 15 2020 SSR

Post by Veronica » Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:37 am

How horrible that culture teaches that our elderly are useless. They are priceless.

I think that our new understanding of energy, specifically how eukaryotic lifeforms (which includes humans) can utilize two different biological means of generating energy ( diet mostly carbohydrates or a diet mostly fats) is the crux of where we are now, the civilized and the savage, yet what we thought was civilized(farming carbohydrates) is apparently the most savage thing we could do our home planet.

The current economic system that runs the world is based on the carbohydrate high diet, a diet fueled by farming certain specific food sources. This economic system based on farming and controlling who has access to food is the biggest lie and is what has destroyed our forests, polluted our waters, turned our kin into grainbrain psychopaths and propagated fear hatred and despair worldwide.

But no one wants to look at the great agricultural revolution as anything but the benevolent bringer of WonderBread, Pasta, rice corn and the miraculous potatoes. I'D like to see charts of the Tigris river valley about 10thousand years ago, Maybe I'd see a Jupiter/Neptune conjunction in Libra aspecting Saturn and Pluto and Mars. I don't know.
I Know it is bullwhammy to think that where we are now economically and socially just appeared in 1971, or 1776 or 0 CE It's been building and spreading globally for thousands of years.

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