"Outstanding" SLR or not?

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"Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Arena » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:22 am

I have a Lunar return today and if birth time is 23.40 the ecliptic aspects show an "outstanding" SLR with SLR Uranus partile conjunct SLR MC and SLR Venus 1,5° from ASC as well as SLR Jup about 3° from IC. SLR Neptune is almost exact square rel. ASC.

IF birth time is slightly off this SLR is not going to be outstanding at all, at least not with a partile aspect to angles.

Let's see how this one goes down.

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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Danica » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:36 pm

For 23:40 birth time, mundo angularity for this SLR is:

Ve 01*10 from AC
Ur 01*20 from MC (partile mund square)
Ju 03*56 from IC

What is the other birth time you're speculating with/testing?
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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Arena » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:47 am

Thanks Danica. Good to know the mundane positions.

The other possible birth time I've been looking into is around 23.20.

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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Danica » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:17 pm

Arena wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:47 am
The other possible birth time I've been looking into is around 23.20.
for BT 23:20

Ju IC 03*29'
Ve AC 04*06'
Ur MC 08*26'
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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Arena » Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:32 pm

Well, this one has come to an end, with a new one starting today.
It was not outstanding, I believe the time is a bit off and there were actually no partile aspects nor Venus and Uranus that close to AC and MC.

Well, I do not think that Lunar returns are really that important at all - but if they are it seems my birth time is indeed a bit off because this one was not really outstanding.

The next SLR shows me that with 23.40 birth time my natal Sun would partile square the SLR AC, but with 23.20 birth time the SLR MC would be conjunct natal Mars which is also conjoined by the SLR Nnode.

Ebertin about Dragon's head conjunct MC:
The establishment of an association for the attainment of joint objectives. Unions based on a mutual inner understanding.
And when that conjoins Mars he says:
Comradeship and team-spirit, an intense working together with one's colleagues, an association or organisation fighting to uphold the common ideas and principles. Inner attachment and physical attraction.

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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:40 pm

Arena, do you keep a log of aspects and when (by your birth certificate) you'd expect them to show some influence, and exactly when you saw evidence of the influence?

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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Arena » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:05 pm

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:40 pm
Arena, do you keep a log of aspects and when (by your birth certificate) you'd expect them to show some influence, and exactly when you saw evidence of the influence?
Ah, sorry I missed your post. I probably do not keep as accurate a record as I should... but am keeping records of when I notice Mars effects. I guess I must start keeping more comprehensive records, but I am just kinda very very busy these days/weeks/months.

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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Arena » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:15 pm

The next SLR shows me that with 23.40 birth time my natal Sun would partile square the SLR AC, but with 23.20 birth time the SLR MC would be conjunct natal Mars which is also conjoined by the SLR Nnode.

Ebertin about Dragon's head conjunct MC:
The establishment of an association for the attainment of joint objectives. Unions based on a mutual inner understanding.

And when that conjoins Mars he says:
Comradeship and team-spirit, an intense working together with one's colleagues, an association or organisation fighting to uphold the common ideas and principles. Inner attachment and physical attraction.
So, now this October LR is over.
That month was extremely busy. I took a business trip with my business partner to Spain to look at potential investments or rentals to startup a little serviced apartment section there. Lots and lots of driving involved. Whilst we were over there we were also communicating back to Scotland about a possible land purchase and a building project. Plus we were negotiating a rental deal that was then made ready for us to sign on Nov 6th (new LR though for the signing). And also, while I was in Spain my life-partner's grandfather died. My partner was already in Iceland with the kids, so after my Spain trip, I booked a flight to Iceland and attended the funeral and met some friends.
Extremely busy month indeed!

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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Arena » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:39 am

Ok, so here is another one that has just started.
IF birth time is right as 23.40, this SLR shows SLR Pluto partile SLR IC, which falls partile to n. MC. This same SLR shows SLR Uranus partile the SLR Vx and SLR ASC partile n. Uranus while SLR Saturn is right around the n. DSC. Looks very separative.

The only thing I would suspect or I can foresee or am coming to a decision about is to end the business relationship that I have with my business partner. I don't need a partnership and I think it is much better to not have to rely on other people or to not have to deal with when they get themselves caught up and worked up in their own creation of whirlwind of unnecessary and unuseful emotions :D Observing that can be a bit funny at times, but it isn't useful in business.
I have simply seen enough of him being too young and not really willing to grow up and look himself in the mirror about certain things that are detrimental to his progress. I like him in many ways and I see potential in him, but he is just not ready to be my partner at this point in time :) I need people in business to be able to not be emotional about things, to keep their emotions aside and in check. He is not able to. I guess I may be becoming more and more Plutonic with time/age.

However, with the partile Pluto and then the Saturn conj. n. DSC, I wouldn't be surprised to have news about another death in the family.
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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by SteveS » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:27 am

Hi Arena,
Clearly the most potent aspect for your June 11 SLR (Edinburgh) is a very potent mundane paran square of SLR t. Pluto 7:29:32 ST anti-culminating at 7:25:42 ST to your Natal Uranus rising on your SLR Asc at 7:27:44, a very potent paran, should produce an outstanding Uranus-Pluto incident relative to your immediate environment. Keep us informed. A SLR transiting Pluto to Natal Uranus Paran :)

SLR Pluto anti-culminates at 7:29:32 ST
Natal Uranus rising at 7:27:44 ST (Edinburgh)
SLR Asc rising at 7:25:42 ST

All less than 1 degree orb (partile).

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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Arena » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:43 am

Just noted another partile conjunction as I casted the chart to my birth place. SLR Saturn is partile SLR IC to birth place. Natal Pluto is not far from SLR ASC to birth place and I also notice that SLR Venus is partile natal Snode while SLR Mars is partile SLR Nnode. I guess that this SLR will bring about things that I can not predict, but it seems like it could involve my close family if we see IC as being about family. Also, the SLR Pluto is approaching a partile trine to the Moon.
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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:28 am

I agree with Steve, transiting Pluto to natal Uranus exactly angular is the thrust of the chart.

I have no reason to think that SSR planets angular in the SLR have any meaning or import, so I wouldn't emphasize that. The Pluto-to-Uranus is simpler.

r Uranus is 0°49' before Asc
t Pluto is 1°05' before IC
-- t Pluto sq. r Asc 0°16' in mundo
t Venus is 9°10' before MC

Natal Uranus has been adjusted for precession and inserted in to the SLR's mundoscope. The aspect is quite exact. It does look separative, but not in a Saturn sense - just dramatic change, rebellion against existing forms, etc. Natal Uranus is slightly closer, so the need for change and to be free of something and freshly born likely originates from you; but the universe is quite willing to meet you in rearranging the pieces. The fact that Venus is also foreground (barely) slightly tips the outcome slightly toward the positive (in the sense of you feeling good about things). - The Venus is squared by Uranus, but Uranus is middleground.

No partile aspects of SLR planets to natal planets other than the mundane square of Pluto to your Uranus.
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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Arena » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:49 am

I have no reason to think that SSR planets angular in the SLR have any meaning or import, so I wouldn't emphasize that.
:shock: ...just realised that I wrote SSR instead of SLR in some places :) ... when I was in all those cases talking about SLR planets and angles. Sorry about that confusion. I have now edited and changed the posts accordingly.

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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:25 am

And I missed that you said the Saturn was around the natal Descendant. I kept looking for a Saturn somewhere around SLR Dsc and kept not finding it :)

It does look like you've primarily moved past Saturn to your Descendant - especially if (as I think is true) these only work ecliptically. IIRC it's still partile mundanely (precessed back to your birthdate and inserted into your natal mundoscope), but in the normal transit cycle - if this birth time is correct - it seems to have cleared.
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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Arena » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:45 am

It does look like you've primarily moved past Saturn to your Descendant - especially if (as I think is true) these only work ecliptically.
Maybe there is something distorting my mind today, not sure :D ... but how did you come to this conclusion? When I look at the transits to my natal chart they show me that Saturn is in retro motion coming into partile conjunction with my natal DSC tomorrow, will be exact conjunction later this month and then move direct and come back to hit it in November?

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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:48 am

Dang, you're right (you have more reason to be on top of that than me). I forgot it was still going to go back that far, - It's out of partile orb for now, but it will spend a lot of time there later this year.
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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Arena » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:50 am

Do you have any reliable method of measuring these SLRs in terms of timing? F.ex. when you see a partile angularity, how would you guess when it is most likely to manifest the strongest?

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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:48 am

Arena wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:50 am
Do you have any reliable method of measuring these SLRs in terms of timing? F.ex. when you see a partile angularity, how would you guess when it is most likely to manifest the strongest?
Though different theories have been floated, none of them have stood out. The beauty and the weakness of Lunar Returns is that they apply to the entire period of their operation.

A few things about which I have high confidence:
1. "Period of operation" begins about 24 hours before the SLR or Demi-SLR sets up.
2. Most people note most big effects almost at once, so that most specific (eventish) effects are in the first few days, but this isn't definitive.
3. The Demi-SLR is fully functional, which sometimes throws the primary SLR effects in the first two weeks if the two charts seriously disagree.
4. If the SLR and Demi show the same symbolism, it often means that the effects are concentrated in the second half of the month, but may mean that there are recurrent or continuing effects that show up in both halves.

I am revisiting the question of whether transits to SLR angles or fast planets have any value. I've watched it for many short periods in the past and never been impressed that this has any importance at all. I was recently asked to revisit this, so I'm doing so, but with low expectations. There was, however, one outstanding example in an event that Mikestar posted a few days ago: In a lunar return with slow Mars already very close to IC, the big violent event occurred the day Mars inched forward by transit and exactly crossed IC, in the hour that Moon crossed SLR MC and opposed Mars. I mention this because it just happened and is a good example, but it may only be coincidence - I don't see this sort of thing usually align.

Usually other, seemingly unrelated things - such as simple transits to the natal - identify the day.
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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by SteveS » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:36 am

Arena wrote:
Do you have any reliable method of measuring these SLRs in terms of timing? F.ex. when you see a partile angularity, how would you guess when it is most likely to manifest the strongest?
I am curious Arena. Since your June 11 SLR is classified as an ‘outstanding incident’ Uranus-Pluto SLR, have you identified this ‘outstanding’ Uranus-Pluto incident?

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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:40 am

Your June 24 Demi-SLR has entirely different symbolism. This means that it can't help us much (or at all) in timing main events of the SLR, which can occur anytime during its four weeks.

The Demi will have your natal Moon-Mercury-Mars most angular, plus transiting Venus on EP. Natal Neptune squares Ascendant. It could be giving a different angle on the same event, or talking about a new set of conditions.

As I mentioned above, I'm not big on transits to SLRs, but am revisiting them. If there is anything to this, June 23-24 has transiting Mercury cross SLR MC, opposite Pluto. This might be effective anyway in the sense that you are "under" transiting Pluto as a basic definition of the month, and there will be an exact Mercury-Pluto opposition in space that day. It may be that transiting Mercury across this (over the weekend right before us) is a main trigger, in which case I'd really like to know the details.

As transiting Uranus is only 8' from square your local Scotland MC as I type this, there is independent signal of something big breaking about now. It's closing that 08' gap - technically exact Monday or Tuesday if the birth time were taken as precisely accurate but, more generally, close enough to produce a major effect anytime around now. The Mars station next week isn't hitting anything in your chart, so that's not likely the trigger; however, at the same time the whole world has that happen, there is a Sun-Saturn opposition that falls right across your natal horizon (0°04' when the opposition is exact).
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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Arena » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:31 am

Well, I am not sure if I should call this SLR outstanding or not. But there are two things that stand up that have happened in my psyche, but not happened in reality yet.

Nr. 1. I decided to break away from my business partner, but I have only made my decision, I have not made the move yet since I need to get paid a bit of money first. I will most likely just resign myself from the company in the next few weeks. Have not told him yet, but I will write him an explanation.

Nr. 2. On June 15th I sent that link to Rythmia resort in Costa Rica to share it with people I thought would perhaps like to join me. So I made the decision to go to the resort and there is one friend who responded positively right away, so we are meeting next week to plan our trip and decide when. I consider this a rather important decision in my life, even though the booking and going there has not manifested yet.

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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by SteveS » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:39 am

Arena wrote:
Well, I am not sure if I should call this SLR outstanding or not. But there are two things that stand up that have happened in my psyche, but not happened in reality yet.
I understand. Question: You posted on June 15 about Rythmia’s web site. Is this when you discovered Rythmia’s services, or did you discover Rythmia before your June 11 SLR? Thanks.

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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:23 am

Yes, I think making that decision (and then following up with a direct action it) is indeed what the SLR is all about - in addition to any other life changes happening such as your business plans.

But for the resort trip, let's review what's happening in the SLR:
Jim Eshelman wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:28 am
r Uranus is 0°49' before Asc
t Pluto is 1°05' before IC
-- t Pluto sq. r Asc 0°16' in mundo
t Venus is 9°10' before MC
Pluto's transit to your natal Uranus (exact to within minutes), with both about 1° from angles - and a little Venus in the wings.

Now, my offhand analysis of this predictively didn't hit the actual event, but the characteristics seem right to me. Do you agree, or am I misinterpreting?
It does look separative, but not in a Saturn sense - just dramatic change, rebellion against existing forms, etc. ...the need for change and to be free of something and freshly born likely originates from you; but the universe is quite willing to meet you in rearranging the pieces. The fact that Venus is also foreground (barely) slightly tips the outcome slightly toward the positive (in the sense of you feeling good about things). - The Venus is squared by Uranus, but Uranus is middleground.
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Re: "Outstanding" SLR or not?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:30 am

PS - I keep toying with the question of whether houses are important in solar and lunar returns (or at all, for that matter), and want to acknowledge a couple of really obvious things in this particular SLR.

With the two biggest things on your mind being (1) a significant, separative shift in a business relationship and (2) long-distance, international travel (that also will "cover a lot of miles" in other ways), this SLR has:

Moon conjunct 8th cusp (related to shared money & other resources)
Sun conjunct 9th cusp (related to long-distance travel etc.)

Of course, the main issues - the nature of separation and shift from Uranus-Pluto, the pleasure excursion with a friend of Venus-Uranus - are all there in more conventional ways. But the 8th house and 9th house themes were kinda staring me in the face as I read your post and looked at the chart.
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