JAE SLRs & Demi-SLRs 2022-23

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Re: Demi-SLR 2/8/23

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:17 am

I should add to the last answer: I've said that the "super close" that is so much at the peak of the curve that it overwhelms everything falls within 5-10' of the angle. While the Neptune at 0°00' is as precisely at the peak as can be, there are FOUR planets within 0°11' of an angle - adding transiting Pluto and natal Sun and Jupiter. Neptune has the edge, Pluto nearly as much an edge, and Sun and Jupiter are fighting them for honors.

All of these score 100% in TMSA. However, the 100% threshold starts at 0°54' (99.5% rounds to 100%). The same sine-shaped curve is 99.95% (rounds to 99.9 instead of 100.0) at 0°12', so that might be some sort of threshold, though by experience I've only been able to track it to about 10' (but in all cases with the weakness that even the best birth times likely aren't accurate to the second of time). Adding the extra decimal point for perspective, in the chart above (presuming everything is perfectly exact), Neptune is 100.00%, Pluto 99.99%, natal Sun 99.97%, and natal Jupiter 99.96%. In contrast, natal Uranus is a "mere" 99.77% :)

Of course, one could argue that, other than Neptune, the others "drop off" slightly faster because they are all minor angles.
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Re: Demi-SLR 2/8/23

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:37 pm

The 28 Demi with natal Neptune 0' from an angle, a 4' Mercury-Neptune aspect, and TONS of other things has had surprises. It's so extreme that the other pmanets with 5-10' of the angles are hard to see in contrast. I've also had very important transits concurrently, especially Saturn's transit to natal Venus-Pluto and my local MC.

Two main results I can detect:

First, I have to stop forgetting to interpret Neptune in terms of health. "Convalescence" is the main word, though "frailty" goes with it. As the return approached, I developed an infection of some sort in my eye lid.(Not the eye. Just the lid.) It swelled up, was nearly purple from red, was pretty ugly. When it does that, my lens gets displaced or flutters on the eye, so unclarity and blurriness are LITERALLY true. Fighting the infection dragged down my energy for a few days, but the main effect was that it was so ugly and scary looking that I took a sick day and a WFH day so it didn't freak out everybody at work.

This was also just as Saturn squared my Venus, which entirely fits.

Then, back at work, the personal laptop I keep at work suddenly failed: It wouldn't boot. I told this story at greater length in Club Aldebaran but the main effects were anxiety I'd have to replace it (which wold have been a deep wound). I did save it with a LOT of work and rebuilt the system. It doesn't QUITE work perfectly yet, but it's 95% there. Thus was Neptune and Mercury-Neptune in several ways.

BTW, this part of it occurred just as Saturn was opposing my Pluto.

As for the other planets, there has been nothing big or extreme. One could say all those nice benefics go with both these poems resolving quickly and being ultimately OK; but, then, things are USUALLY okay.
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Re: Demi-SLR 2/8/23

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:38 am

Before wrapping up tjhis fortnight, I should mention that there were two - not one, but two! - technology meltdowns within a week of each other. I wrote about the laptop at work above. Then, a few days ago, I awoke to finding my phone wouldn't unlock OR restart or shutdown. The screen was responsive (e.g., I could snooze and turn off alarms or answer calls), but it wouldn't unlock, restart, or power off. It seemed to be working fine otherwise in the sense that I could track it with the Find Your Phone option through a web page and could connect it to my computer and access various features (but neither of these options let me restart it).

After trying various things, I called the carrier and had one of the worst support experiences ever, in that (communication difficulties with her aside), she made a suggestion; I asked her explicitly, "Doesn't that wipe the phone completely?" to which she responded, "No, it's just a way to force it to restart, it won't wipe the phone"; I did the process; and then I stared as my phone wiped itself completely.

So I spent an entire day getting it more or less back to full operation, everything installed, the Windows layer put atop it, work resources reconnected, and individually configuring over a hundred apps on it.

Computer AND phone: "Tech meltdown" marks the most obvious features of a demi-lunar with a Mercury-Pluto conjunction on Zenith!

In fact, this would have been easier to read correctly (right general direction) if I'd treated it like a 1940s Fagan and Bradley model more or less - no natal in the middle, old school way of reading foreground that more resembles angular houses. I'd have seen a Mercury-Pluto conjunction in the 10th house with Mercury also in moderate mundane square to Uranus in the 1st house. That would have been the chart, and would have been pretty descriptive!

After that, the old school approach would have observed a middleground, mostly unaspected Sun (nothing much to read there, and its 11th house placement didn't seem to add anything) - unless you want to count the moderate Sun-Uranus square (surprise!). More descriptive was the background Moon (6th house) opposite Neptune (the description in Solar and Lunar Returns catches the tone pretty well. But none of these are big things.

In any case, I'm not suggesting we switch back to a 1940s retro mode on reading these. I just found it interesting that "forget the natals for a moment" gave a much sharper look despite the fact that I had FOUR natal planets within 0°26' of an angle. The natal Neptune 0°00' was fitting enough, but nowhere as dead-on as the transiting planets alone - even with wider orbs of aspects and angularities. The overall aspect view was transiting Mercury-Pluto to natal Jupiter-Uranus, but I don't exactly know what the natal Jupiter-Uranus was about. It seems thin to interpret it as , "Everything came out OK, right?" Some individual aspects are meaningful, including for sure the 0°04' Mercury transiting square to natal Neptune and the tech aspect of transiting opposite natal Uranus (2°), but I'm not sure what to make of transiting Pluto to natal Jupiter-Uranus, Mercury opposite natal Jupiter (2°20'), and the rest. All of these were closer than the 2°34' transiting Mercury-Pluto conjunction. (Even adding the eyelid inflammation, none of these seem on target.)

And, of course, the concurrent Saturn transits to natal Venus-Pluto and local MC. These were detailed elsewhere.

I suppose I'm rambling because, despite the things this chart got right, I'd expect something sharper and clearer from a return that had so many things THIS close.
r Neptune on Dsc 0°00'
t Pluto on Z +0°05'
r Jupiter on N +0°09'
r Sun on WP +0°11'
r Uranus on N +0°26'


t Mercury sq r Neptune 0°04'
t Pluto op r Jupiter 0°14'
t Pluto op r Uranus 0°31'
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SLR 2/21/23

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:40 am

Feb 21, 2023, 8:53:07 AM PST, home
Benefic = 1, Malefic = 9, Change = 0, Spotlight = 7, Dignity = 8, Indignity = 5

Normally, on a Tuesday at 8:53 AM I'd be at work, but I'm off tomorrow, so this is calculated for home. (You can add natal Eris 1°44' from EP-a, which, if effective, highlights a natal Sun-Eris opposition in RA, 1°54'. but with t Jupiter conjunct r Eris. Also an enormous number of Sedna aspects.)

Impressions: I'm going to be an aff for a month. - The stuff in the SLR that matters most is all natal: It's not a particular wholesome SLR and the negatives are all on me. (High scores for Malefic, Spotlight, and Dignity are an interesting mix that, alone, seem to imply someone notoriously bad.)

r Mercury on Dsc -8°03'
r Neptune on Dsc -2°23'
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r Sun on WP-a +0°10'
r Mars on Z +0°42'

t Jupiter on Asc +7°05'

r Mars-Neptune sq. 2°25'

Other partile aspects
t Mercury-Uranus sq 0°21'
t Pluto op r Jupiter 0°37'
t Pluto op r Uranus 0°54'
r Venus-Mars sq 0°54' M
t Moon-Neptune co 0°57' M

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TRANSIT		NATAL			COMBINED
87 - Jupiter	100 - Sun Mars		100 - Sun Mars
70 - Uranus	98 - Neptune		98 - Neptune
66 - Venus	83 - Mercury		87 - Jupiter
50 - Moon	73 - Saturn		83 - Mercury
49 - Pluto	65 - Venus		73 - Saturn
45 - Neptune	54 - Jupiter Uranus	70 - Uranus
24 - Mars	17 - Moon		66 - Venus
14 - Mercury	6 - Pluto		50 - Moon
1 - Saturn				49 - Pluto
0 - Sun
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Re: JAE SLRs & Demi-SLRs 2022-23

Post by Veronica » Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:57 am

Jim said.....
"I suppose I'm rambling because, despite the things this chart got right, I'd expect something sharper and clearer from a return that had so many things THIS close."

Wow, those tech issues would have been serious road blocks for me. I am glad that you had the clarity of mind to deal with it and get things fixed without blowing a gasket! I know what you mean too about the visual of your poor lid infection, when my sinuses were infected it looked like I had huge boils under my eyes, very ugly hurtful looking and I was very happy to wear a mask to hide under when I had to go out.

I think that it did show sharp and clear though......it showed your sharpness and clarity.

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Re: Demi-SLR 2/8/23

Post by Patrick Machado » Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:24 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:38 am
I suppose I'm rambling because, despite the things this chart got right, I'd expect something sharper and clearer from a return that had so many things THIS close.
Thought: It's a Demi-Return. Do they tend to relatively "fail to deliver" somewhat more often than full Lunars? I've made the casual observation, from my own Lunars, that maybe, perhaps.

I should specify what I mean by "failing to deliver." I don't mean that they aren't nearly or equally as potent and descriptive as the full SLR for the time they cover (in fact, more so than the full SLR for the time they cover). What I think I mean is that they aren't as striking as they presumably would be if they were a full SLR. That may only really matter when it's a chart that seems like a very big deal: when it isn't, it's descriptive as usual and we're satisfied with it. When it is a chart that seems like a very big deal, it could be that a Demi-SLR is somewhat less likely to fully "deliver."

A hypothesis.

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Re: Demi-SLR 2/8/23

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:37 pm

Patrick Machado wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:24 pm
Thought: It's a Demi-Return. Do they tend to relatively "fail to deliver" somewhat more often than full Lunars?
Not in my day-to-day experience. I'm used to them acting simply like we have two lunar returns a month, one every two weeks.

And the problem here wasn't so much that nothing happened - an eyelid infection that kept me home for cosmetic reasons plus two major devices (a computer and a phone) collapsing is an unusually busy month. My recent observation was that I could have read this just from the transiting planets and wasn't sure how all the natal planets fit (three of them within minutes of an angle BESIDES the 00' Neptune, which obviously fit).

Day-to-day experience aside, though, there is this study comparing the two:
https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1791

The conclusions from that were that there were essentially no bad charts in the entire set of test events and that, while SLRs held their own in the second half of the month at only a little weaker than the first half, the Demi-SLR scores for their fortnight were essentially the same as the SLR scores for the first half of the month.
https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php? ... 791#p11580

When, during the last half of the month, the Demi and full SLR were compared side by side, the Demi was better a little more often than the full SLR and, overall, they weren't that far apart. In the side-by-side, the full SLR was better seven times, the Demi ten times, and they were about the same three times.

https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php? ... 791#p11581
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Re: JAE SLRs & Demi-SLRs 2022-23

Post by SteveS » Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:31 am

Patrick wrote/asked:
It's a Demi-Return. Do they tend to relatively "fail to deliver" somewhat more often than full Lunars?
Patrick, I agree with Jim’s answers about the DSLR, particularly with “outstanding incidents” DSLRs. They “deliver” equally as the SLR.

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Re: SLR 2/21/23

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:43 pm

Thus far, the SLR has been quite effective in some undesirable ways.

Originally, yes, there were some nasty snarks in my behavior. Even though on a primarily carb-free diet, I started showing behaviors that seemed what I'd expect if blood sugar were on a roller-coaster, primarily cranky moods, being horribly bothered by being interrupted, being blind-sided by how fast hunger came on. After a few days, though, I realized I was sick: Almost this entire fortnight, I've had what began as a sinus infection and spread into a more general virus. I was home from work for about a week. Both Marion and I were sick (she worse than I) and we suspect it was a new round of C19 even though there was never a positive test. It was, at least, a virus that hit us about as hard as full-blown C19 did the first round.

Natal Mars-Neptune - at least as bad as if it had been transiting Mars-Neptune. (The older I get, the less distinction I see between the two, though fine lines can be drawn with only a little concentration.)

I'm still not well, but I'm back at work tomorrow and holding down the office by myself for a week while the team is on other duty (working a junior lawyer retreat).

Among the non-foreground partile aspects, it's been a pretty good time for writing (Mercury-Uranus). The Moon-Neptune conjunction is consistent with the illness, though not necessary given the rest of the chart. The rest is of no particular interest. I'm not sure the ranking graph (dual needs hierarchy stuff) was of any use to me.
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Impressions: I'm going to be an aff for a month. - The stuff in the SLR that matters most is all natal: It's not a particular wholesome SLR and the negatives are all on me. (High scores for Malefic, Spotlight, and Dignity are an interesting mix that, alone, seem to imply someone notoriously bad.)

r Mercury on Dsc -8°03'
r Neptune on Dsc -2°23'
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r Sun on WP-a +0°10'
r Mars on Z +0°42'

t Jupiter on Asc +7°05'

r Mars-Neptune sq. 2°25'
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Demi-SLR 3/7/23

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:48 pm

Mar 7, 2023, 4:02:01 PM PST, home
Benefic = 5, Malefic = 4, Change = 9, Spotlight = 0, Dignity = 0, Indignity = 4, Personal Loss = 9

Impressions: A very unpleasant chart, probably personal, sad, and abrupt. There is loss in this picture. (I just have to weather this one out at home.) Both transiting benefics are remotely background (but the benefic and malefic scores are about the same, natal Venus carrying some weight).

t Saturn on Dsc -5°13'
r Venus on IC -5°05'

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r Pluto on Asc +0°13'
t Uranus on MC +4°16'
r Mercury on IC +8°32'
r Saturn on IC +9°45'


t Saturn sq r Venus 0°08' M
r Venus-Pluto sq 0°13'
r Mercury-Saturn co 1°13' M
t Saturn op r Pluto 2°53'

Non-foreground Partile Aspects
t Pluto op r Jupiter 0°08' M
t Mars sq r Moon 0°26' M
t Pluto op r Uranus 0°32' M
t Pluto sq r Neptune 0°45' M
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Re: Demi-SLR 3/7/23

Post by Patrick Machado » Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:01 pm

Get well (better) soon. Hopefully the new chart's outcome will not be too disheartening.

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Re: Demi-SLR 3/7/23

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:01 pm

Small change: I got home just ahead of the SLR (went in early, left early) so I'll edit it for home instead of work.
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SLR 3/20/23

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:54 am

Mar 20, 2023, 7:38:58 PM PST, home
Benefic = 8, Malefic = 8, Change = 4, Spotlight = 3, Dignity = 9, Indignity = 6

Impressions: (Some SSR echoes.) Based on the aspects, it seems quite positive. Given the natal Mars emphasis, it seems a competitive victory, an overt triumph over an opponent; and the exact natal Neptune does not make me happy given recent experiences. So: aspects really good, angularities otherwise. (t Eris on Dsc 0°57')

t Pluto on IC -7°23'
r Jupiter on MC -5°46'
r Uranus on MC -5°32'

r Mars on IC -1°27'
r Neptune on EP-a -0°16'
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r Sun on Asc +3°20'
t Jupiter on Dsc +4°32'


r Jupiter-Uranus co 0°14'
r Uranus-Neptune sq 0°27' M
r Jupiter-Neptune sq 0°41' M

t Jupiter op r Sun 1°00'

t Pluto op r Jupiter 1°17'
t Pluto op r Uranus 1°34'
t Pluto sq r Neptune 2°19'
r Mars-Neptune sq 2°25'

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TRANSIT		NATAL		COMBINED
94 - Jupiter	100 - Neptune	100 - Neptune
86 - Pluto	99 - Mars	99 - Mars
-------------   97 - Sun	97 - Sun
69 - Venus	92 - Uranus	94 - Jupiter
50 - Uranus	91 - Jupiter	92 - Uranus
39 - Mercury	-------------   86 - Pluto
26 - Saturn	62 - Saturn	-------------   
-------------   55 - Mercury	69 - Venus
22 - Sun	32 - Pluto	62 - Saturn
8 - Mars	30 - Venus	55 - Mercury
5 - Neptune	-------------   -------------   
0 - Moon	1 - Moon	1 - Moon
If I filter out Class 3 angularities for simplification, it simplifies only a little:

r Jupiter on MC -5°46'
r Uranus on MC -5°32'

r Mars on IC -1°27'
r Neptune on EP-a -0°16'
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r Sun on Asc +3°20'
t Jupiter on Dsc +4°32'


r Jupiter-Uranus co 0°14'
r Uranus-Neptune sq 0°27' M
r Jupiter-Neptune sq 0°41' M

t Jupiter op r Sun 1°00'

r Mars-Neptune sq 2°25'
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