Arena's SLR & TLR

Q&A and discussion on Sidereal Lunar Returns.
Avshalom Binyamin
Zodiac Member
Zodiac Member
Posts: 493
Joined: Wed May 10, 2017 11:09 am
Gender:

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Avshalom Binyamin » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:55 am

I don't know where Arena is or her financial situation, or how long ago your mother's marriage was. But divorce in many countries has changed considerably in the last few decades. Divorce can be so costly, litigious, drawn out, and a waste of money, and many courts have standardized things to make it harder to argue about things.

For example, in Oregon, where I live, child support is a calculator based on your respective incomes. You can't fight in court over how much you'll pay. In many places, cheating is irrelevant to divorce cases. Private investigators and high conflict divorces are a great way to burn up money, and create a terrible coparenting relationship.

There are usually much better ways to make money than going to court.

I had an relatively amicable divorce, settled out of court, between lawyers. Even still it cost me $6,000 in attorney's fees, and several years of work to get the parenting schedule that gave me and my daughter the time we needed together. I had to calculate and take a financial hit and make a lot of sacrifices in my settlement, to avoid going to court, and blowing another $20-30,000, and creating a higher conflict situation.

I'm glad I did it my way, because my daughter got to go through a divorce where neither of her parents was vilified by the other (it's called parental alienation, and the courts are very against it), and gets to see each parent every week, and can text or call the other parent any time. She's thriving, and my finances are getting better after a couple years of sacrifice.

It could have been so much worse. People online are quick to advise actions to escalate conflict, and take sides. But it's not their skin in the game if the escalated conflict burns up all the money and goodwill.

Your first thing to do is to talk to a lawyer. But know that they are glad to bill you as many hours and do as much legal work as you want. The best way to save money is to do your homework, organize your documents, and listen to your lawyer's advice, and make sure you lead the overall mission to de-escalate, and work towards a calm, measured, reasonable settlement.

If anyone else here has been through a divorce with kids in the last decade please chime in.

Avshalom Binyamin
Zodiac Member
Zodiac Member
Posts: 493
Joined: Wed May 10, 2017 11:09 am
Gender:

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Avshalom Binyamin » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:58 am

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:43 am
I'm suggesting Arena protect herself financially and protect her children from her husband using them as pawns to gain financial advantage in their divorce. Once the divorce has been obtained, custody can be updated to give the children better access to their father.

Arena has shown herself to be more than willing to be fair, and has been dealt with in an underhanded and manipulative manner. We're telling her not to be naive and trusting with someone who has shown he will take advantage.
This is terrible, awful advice. Most courts would punish this behavior strongly.

I think you are speaking from ignorance.

User avatar
Jupiter Sets at Dawn
Irish
Irish
Posts: 3169
Joined: Sun May 07, 2017 7:03 pm

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:22 pm

So you think she should be naive and trusting with a man who has lied to her?

Going to a lawyer would be punished by the courts?

Ari, are you kidding?

Avshalom Binyamin
Zodiac Member
Zodiac Member
Posts: 493
Joined: Wed May 10, 2017 11:09 am
Gender:

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Avshalom Binyamin » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:39 pm

No, not going to a lawyer which she absolutely should do.

Limiting access to the children punatively, which you advise, is terrible advice, bad for the children, and can be used against you in custody battles.

I think you should take it back, and not give advice beyond going to an attorney.

User avatar
Jupiter Sets at Dawn
Irish
Irish
Posts: 3169
Joined: Sun May 07, 2017 7:03 pm

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:08 pm

Avshalom Binyamin wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:39 pm
Limiting access to the children punatively, which you advise, is terrible advice, bad for the children, and can be used against you in custody battles.
You missed something a few posts back.
I'm suggesting Arena not take a trip she was planning to take in a few weeks, leaving the children with her husband. Her leaving could be interpreted as abandoning the children and the house.

Nobody has suggested she punish her husband for anything and certainly not that she should limit access to the children, punitively or otherwise. Just that she should not trust her soon-to-be-ex to play fair based on his actions, and she should talk to a lawyer.

User avatar
Jim Eshelman
Are You Sirius?
Posts: 10626
Joined: Sun May 07, 2017 12:40 pm
Gender:

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:13 pm

Having let that last loop close...

I'm concerned that this thread has gotten way off track of its original purpose of Arena discussing her lunar returns and using the space to publically journal about and share her journey. While she seems open to and interested in feedback, and people should feel free to offer her points, I'm uncomfortable with third parties debating each other about her.

I'd rather state this as a concept than lay down rules, and hope all will find their best way to center this back on listening to and occasionally responding to Arena instead of talking about her.
Jim Eshelman
www.jeshelman.com

Veronica
Synetic Member
Synetic Member
Posts: 1130
Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:37 am
Gender:

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Veronica » Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:10 pm

Arena,

One of the things for me regarding the depressing aspect of Saturns nature was that I was not motivated to act. It was like time stood still and I was held in place unable to move forward. Just completely in a funk.
But ya know
The universe knows what it is doing. You can trust that.
I truely think that if I had not been so depressed about my intepretation of the events.....
I might be in jail.
I have such a rage and a host of other yucky feelings about my relationships that most likely if I did not have the depression I would have truly acted horrible.
I dont know if this is true for you but I hoped to offer my faith that the universe doesnt want you to react instinctually rashly or unskilled and has way of tossing about angles here and there and aspects at just the right time, even though it seems like crap at the moment.
Trust in the process
You are going great places
You are a wonderful mother and your children are so lucky to gave such a strong intelligent brave and compassionate mother who is actively working hard for their best interest.
You have some really nice Jupiter aspects going on. Maybe you could bake some nice shortbread cookies and go on a nice hike in the woods. Snacks and hikes are good way to get more bang for the buck from Jupiter in my opinion. Its the little things like that that actually are the big things.

User avatar
Arena
Synetic Member
Synetic Member
Posts: 1129
Joined: Mon May 08, 2017 12:24 pm

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:10 am

Thank you all for your concerns fellow forumers and thanks Jim for bringing attention to the purpose of this thread. I will keep my journal of sharing elsewhere and not in this lunar return thread.

User avatar
Arena
Synetic Member
Synetic Member
Posts: 1129
Joined: Mon May 08, 2017 12:24 pm

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:57 am

So this lunar return is coming to a finish next week. The only way I felt Venus was the love and support I got from my friends in many different countries and the support from my father.

Ended up to be the terrible realisation that there is no way back for this relationship and my family has been broken permanently. So I took the step out of the door this week, moved to a friends house, packed all my things into boxes and left my ex with the children to take care of. Just so you know, I am not doing that to leave my children or because I don't love them. I explained everything to them and told them I love them to bits and I will be back at some point. I am actually still trying to teach him something or giving him a chance to step into his own power and integrity as a real decent man to become a single father. He now has a chance to rise within the chaos he created and reflect and learn from all his horrible mistakes in handling this situation. He does not realise that is my reason for doing this - for now he will just see that I choose to leave the children and put all the workload on him. He might see it in the future when he looks back and I can tell him later when we will be able to be ok with each other and not in the space of anger and resentment.

I've booked the next couple of nights in a Buddhist temple and will spend some time meditating and breathing in nature.

The next lunar return starts on August 22nd and seems to be quite interesting in the sidereal system, but not so good in the tropical system which does seem to depict this situation more accurately for what is happening now.

Aug 22nd SLR; Mars-Venus partile conjunction partile on DSC and Sun also close to DSC. Uranus partile rel. EP. T Jup 2° from rel. DSC.

Aug 22nd TLR: Pluto within 2°above LR ASC
Last edited by Arena on Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:18 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Arena
Synetic Member
Synetic Member
Posts: 1129
Joined: Mon May 08, 2017 12:24 pm

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:09 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:33 am
Arena wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:00 am
So now my demi lunar has just kicked in.
I have a few minutes, so might as well do a technical work-up for you. Notice that no natal planets are foreground and there are a couple of interesting mundane aspects you probably didn't see - the most interesting of which is the close Neptune-Pluto square, but also Saturn square Neptune. I think a new layer of the emotional reality of the divorce will hit in these two weeks. The non-foreground partile aspects seem very severe (and this is about when Neptune exactly squares your Saturn), but I think they shouldn't be regarded as the "main event" but, rather, as (obvious seeming) backdrop conditions against which the "immediate action" of the play unfolds.

Another thing to notice is that nothing is partile to the angles and there are no partile foreground aspects (unless that Me/Pl midpoint acts as such). This likely means that this isn't a "life-altering" fortnight in the "big bonanza events" since (though, of course, every fortnight is a life-altering fortnight :) ).

t Mercury on Asc -3°21'
-- t Me/Pl on horizon 0°06'
t Pluto on Dsc +3°08'
t Neptune on MC +4°41'
t Saturn on Dsc +6°39'

-- t Neptune-Pluto sq. 1°33' in mundo
-- t Saturn-Neptune sq. 1°57' in mundo
-- t Saturn-Pluto conj. 3°31' in mundo
-- -- Ne = Sa/Pl 0°13'

Other partile:
t Neptune sq. r Saturn 0°02'
t Saturn sq. r Uranus 0°24'
t Mars conj. r Mars 0°35'
t Mars sq. r Uranus 0°41' in mundo
Actually this demi lunar seems to turn out to be life altering and the Nep-Sat and Sat-Ur seem to turn out to be the main event. So transits are overruling the lunar.

User avatar
Jim Eshelman
Are You Sirius?
Posts: 10626
Joined: Sun May 07, 2017 12:40 pm
Gender:

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:20 am

Or, rather, partile transits in the lunar are emerging as stronger than other things in the lunar.
Jim Eshelman
www.jeshelman.com

User avatar
Arena
Synetic Member
Synetic Member
Posts: 1129
Joined: Mon May 08, 2017 12:24 pm

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:17 am

Ok, so this new lunar return started yesterday, August 22nd and seems to be quite interesting in the sidereal system, but not so good in the tropical system which does seem to depict this situation more accurately for what is happening now.

Aug 22nd SLR; Mars-Venus partile conjunction partile on DSC(above) and Sun also close to DSC(below).
Uranus partile rel. EP. T Jup 2° from rel. DSC.

Aug 22nd TLR: Pluto within 2° above LR ASC.

I am possibly going to travel to Iceland at the end of this month and that would change the SLR to a worse configuration with Saturn at 4,04° below ASC, but the TLR to a better configuration with Jupiter within 2° from ASC.

Added: My ex has a Moon-Sun partile conjunction in his current SLR with Venus next to it. I think it is symbolic for him forming his new rebound relationship. He will have this Sun-Venus=Mars conjunction in his next SLR from Aug 28th on his n. Venus. I think that is even further symolism of him continuing that relationship. Although that next LR has the ASC on his n. Uranus so maybe there will be some changes made.
Last edited by Arena on Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:19 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Jim Eshelman
Are You Sirius?
Posts: 10626
Joined: Sun May 07, 2017 12:40 pm
Gender:

Your August 22 SLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:19 am

Here is a full workup:

r Uranus on Dsc -8°12'
t Neptune on Asc -3°03'
t Venus on Dsc -0°22'
t Mars on Dsc -0°19'
t Sun on Dsc +1°36'
r Mars on Dsc +1°49'

t Mercury on Dsc +3°07'
r Sun on Dsc +6°25'
r Mercury on Dsc +9°31'

-- t Venus-Mars conj. 0°03' in mundo
-- t Sun conj. r Mars 0°13' in mundo

-- t Mercury conj. r Mars 1°18' in mundo
-- t Venus conj. r Mars 1°23'
-- t Sun-Mercury conj. 1°30' in mundo
-- t Sun-Mars conj. 1°55' in mundo
-- t Sun-Venus conj. 1°58' in mundo
-- t Mars conj. r Mars 2°08' in mundo
-- t Mercury conj. r Mercury 2°27'
-- t Venus-Neptune op. 2°47' in mundo
-- t Mars-Neptune op. 2°50' in mundo
---------------------------------------------------------
-- r Sun-Mercury 3°06' in mundo
-- r Mercury-Mars conj. 3°18'
-- t Mercury conj. r Sun 3°18' in mundo
-- t Mercury-Mars conj. 3°26' in mundo
-- t Mercury-Venus conj. 3°29' in mundo
-- t Sun-Neptune op. 4°45' in mundo
-- t Sun conj. r Sun 4°49' in mundo
-- t Neptune op. r Mars 4°52' in mundo

Other partile:
t Mars sq. r Neptune 0°15'
t Neptune sq. r Saturn 0°19'
Jim Eshelman
www.jeshelman.com

User avatar
Jim Eshelman
Are You Sirius?
Posts: 10626
Joined: Sun May 07, 2017 12:40 pm
Gender:

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:55 am

I just cleaned this up. I had indeed made a couple of mistakes last night when falling asleep, the biggest being that I wrote natal Neptune where I meant natal Sun. I think it's all fixed now. Citing only the strongest factors, we find:

t Neptune on Asc -3°03'
t Venus on Dsc -0°22'
t Mars on Dsc -0°19'
t Sun on Dsc +1°36'
r Mars on Dsc +1°49'

t Mercury on Dsc +3°07'

-- t Venus-Mars conj. 0°03' in mundo
-- t Sun conj. r Mars 0°13' in mundo

-- t Mercury conj. r Mars 1°18' in mundo
-- t Venus conj. r Mars 1°23'
-- t Sun-Mercury conj. 1°30' in mundo
-- t Sun-Mars conj. 1°55' in mundo
-- t Sun-Venus conj. 1°58' in mundo
-- t Mars conj. r Mars 2°08' in mundo
-- t Mercury conj. r Mercury 2°27'
-- t Venus-Neptune op. 2°47' in mundo
-- t Mars-Neptune op. 2°50' in mundo

Other partile:
t Mars sq. r Neptune 0°15'
t Neptune sq. r Saturn 0°19'

It's a time for passions, raging emotions, strong aggressions and self-assertions with unreasoning (but not necessarily unreasonable) confidence.
Jim Eshelman
www.jeshelman.com

User avatar
Arena
Synetic Member
Synetic Member
Posts: 1129
Joined: Mon May 08, 2017 12:24 pm

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:18 pm

Thanks Jim.
Yes it seems like some kind of passion is ignited this month... although maybe not so much since I just booked a flight to Iceland and this LR will only play out in Edinburgh for one week. Iceland will bring Saturn closer to an angle and the partile Mars-Venus out of the foreground.

User avatar
Jim Eshelman
Are You Sirius?
Posts: 10626
Joined: Sun May 07, 2017 12:40 pm
Gender:

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:25 pm

Arena wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:18 pm
Yes it seems like some kind of passion is ignited this month... although maybe not so much since I just booked a flight to Iceland and this LR will only play out in Edinburgh for one week. Iceland will bring Saturn closer to an angle and the partile Mars-Venus out of the foreground.
I think you will find that where it sets up is the operative chart for the duration, though it will then layer other things on top as you go elsewhere in the world.

Remember that ferocious passion can include jealousy or rage, among other things.
Jim Eshelman
www.jeshelman.com

User avatar
Arena
Synetic Member
Synetic Member
Posts: 1129
Joined: Mon May 08, 2017 12:24 pm

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:42 am

Remember that ferocious passion can include jealousy or rage, among other things.
Yes, I am very aware :)
So maybe just a good idea to take myself away from my ex.

User avatar
Jim Eshelman
Are You Sirius?
Posts: 10626
Joined: Sun May 07, 2017 12:40 pm
Gender:

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:02 am

Arena, are you still without SF or a reliable way to calculate mundane angularities? Just in case, here are the foreground and angular planets for Reyk. There are a lot of surprises.

You get the Venus-Mars either way, and is stronger (Class 1) than the Saturn (Class 2) - though Saturn-Pluto, of course, is quite close enough to count. The best feature of the chart is that transiting Venus and natal Jupiter are the most angular planets. The worst feature is that the Saturn-Pluto is in mundane conjunction to natal Moon (but not closely). The most interesting feature is that you get a "discovered" natal Sun-Moon opposition within half a degree. (I don't suppose you have any old flames hanging around, do you?)

t Sun on Dsc -9°41'
r Moon on Asc -8°38'
r Sun on Dsc -8°08'

t Pluto on Asc -6°20'
t Saturn on Asc -4°04'
r Mercury on Dsc -3°51'
t Mars on WP -1°45'
------------------------------
r Jupiter on Asc +0°18'
t Venus on WP +0°45'
t Sun on WP +2°00'

t Mars sq. MC +2°32'
Jim Eshelman
www.jeshelman.com

User avatar
Arena
Synetic Member
Synetic Member
Posts: 1129
Joined: Mon May 08, 2017 12:24 pm

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:34 pm

Thank you very much Jim.
Yes I do have SF now and am looking at the charts mundanely as well....but I guess this time I didn't look closely enough. I see it now though that the Venus-Mars and Sun will be on the WP in Rvk. And yes, now I notice also that the LR ASC/DSC lands on n. Jupiter-Venus. So I guess it is a good time to visit back home.

But I don't see any Moon-Sun opposition?
The Moon-Sun opposition though seems a bit harsh and separative rather than a union. I would see the Moon-Sun conjunction more positively as a union. The Moon-Sun square in my ex' current SSR is showing this shift and seems very separative as well. But his tropical SR actually shows Pluto on DSC and Nep on MC which can also be seen to describe the situation.
I don't suppose you have any old flames hanging around, do you?
Hmmm... well I have quite a few lovers in the past - but I don't know much about what they are doing today.

User avatar
Jim Eshelman
Are You Sirius?
Posts: 10626
Joined: Sun May 07, 2017 12:40 pm
Gender:

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:02 pm

Arena wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:34 pm
But I don't see any Moon-Sun opposition?
It's in the mundane position of your natal planets, and the only way I know to calculate those (at all, and especially adjusted for precession) is with the special spreadsheet we posted here a while back.

In the SLR for Reyk., transiting Sun is 9°41' before (above) Descendant, natal Moon is 8°38' below Asc, and natal Sun is 8°08' above Descendant. That makes a 0 30' opposition of natal Moon and Sun , plus transiting Sun 1 03' from opposite natal Moon and 1 33' from conjunct natal Sun (all mundanely).

Then transiting Pluto is 6°20' before Asc, t Saturn 4°04' below Asc, and natal Mercury 3°51' before Dsc. These create other mundane conjunctions and oppositions of various orbs.
The Moon-Sun opposition though seems a bit harsh and separative rather than a union.
All close Moon-Sun hard aspects in returns have, as one of their strongest probabilities, "formation of [polarized] relationship" or "receiving very special attention from one or many."
Jim Eshelman
www.jeshelman.com

User avatar
Arena
Synetic Member
Synetic Member
Posts: 1129
Joined: Mon May 08, 2017 12:24 pm

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:20 pm

Ok, I see what you mean now.
Well, that is interesting indeed.
Let's see what it brings.

User avatar
Arena
Synetic Member
Synetic Member
Posts: 1129
Joined: Mon May 08, 2017 12:24 pm

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:29 pm

My first few days here have been pretty good.
I feel I am connecting more with my oldest son as I am distant from my younger children.

I went to a party and sang for hours on Friday and had a little encounter (no sex though - not ready for that) with a man who is a musician and was playing at the party. Felt strange though, but he also divorced about 7 months ago so he completely understood how I'm feeling. His Sun-Mars wide opposite my Sun and his Moon-Uranus tight opposite my Moon, his Venus opposite my Saturn, so his Venus is on my Rvk Dsc.

User avatar
Arena
Synetic Member
Synetic Member
Posts: 1129
Joined: Mon May 08, 2017 12:24 pm

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:32 am

Going on a date with him. Just a conscious choice for me to create a bit more distance towards my ex now ... I know I am not ready for anything - but I am simply going to enjoy new company and have a casual beer with him. I don't want a formal date thing, like a dinner or something - just a casual beer and chat.

User avatar
Arena
Synetic Member
Synetic Member
Posts: 1129
Joined: Mon May 08, 2017 12:24 pm

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Arena » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:08 am

Turned out to be a lot more than just casual beer and chat :)
Will probably meet him again tonight.

User avatar
Jim Eshelman
Are You Sirius?
Posts: 10626
Joined: Sun May 07, 2017 12:40 pm
Gender:

Re: My SLR & TLR

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:19 pm

Arena wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:08 am
Turned out to be a lot more than just casual beer and chat :)
Will probably meet him again tonight.
Ahem.

That SLR is pretty interesting, eh?
Jim Eshelman
www.jeshelman.com

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests