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The PSN - New progression system to test

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 12:47 pm

(Originally posted 4/28/2017, 11:12 AM)

I have a new toy for any of you to explore if you want. I haven't tested it myself - it may be total fiction. I've been thinking about it for years, and today worked up the methodology for calculating it. I wanted to at least write down the math so I can copy it to Solar Fire at home, so thought I would share it.

So, I repeat: I am not saying this works. I'm saying it's the coolest idea of what might work that I've ever tried.

The method for approximating it is simple: In Solar Fire, set your "Rate For User Progs" to 0.003430114. It will then need minor tweaking.

The theory is this: The PSSR angles are essentially continuous from the moment of your birth onward for the rest of your life. Each new SSR picks up with the angles exactly flowing forward from the last SSR. (That's the basis of how the PSSR is calculated.)

Now, each SSR only lasts a year; its planets disappear after that time. The angles keep flowing, so their contacts with transiting and natal planets are more or less indifferent to whether the SSR exists or not. (If this isn't immediately obvious, think it through from the way PSSRs are calculated.)

But what if... what if this stream of uninterrupted angles actually flows forth not just from each individual SSR, but from your natal chart? You would have a progression rate of roughly 1.26 days per year of life - flowing continuously. This puts another ring of progressed planets into the stew.

Calculating the Right Rate
A Sidereal Year is given by astronomers as 365.25636 days.

The PSSR is based on the overage of 1.25636 beyond the 365-day calendar year. This is 1.25636 Sidereal Days, which are 23:56:04 long in civil time, so this equates to 1.25287 civil days. This distributes across a Sidereal year, which is 365.25636 days long. Using numbers with a lot more decimal points, I got the ratio as 0.0034301142203677 and, experimenting in Solar Fire, found that the level of precision that works adequately is 0.003430114. (This means 0.003430114 years per year, in case you're wondering.)

In Solar Fire, under Current Settings, go to the Progs/Dirs tab and put 0.003430114 in the "Rate for User Progs." Click OK, then save your settings (Ctrl+S or Preferences | Save Settings). You're now ready to go.
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 12:47 pm

In testing the system (since we're using a crude tool), there is an extra step because the "mean vs. apparent" issue I mentioned under a PSSR thread this morning must be considered.

As this, ultimately, is a lifelong PSSR, we expect it to run at the apparent solar rate, not a mean rate. These will line up the minute of your SSR, but the angles can vary considerably in between. (This, of course, assumes we're right that the apparent rate calculation is correct for the PSSR. Perhaps that should be reexamined.)

I suggest, then, the following: Test this new technique mostly ignoring the angles (look at them out of the corner of your eye), primarily to see if the progressed and progressed-to-natal planet aspects are as good as you'd expect from, say, Secondary Progressions. Apply a comparable standard. Also transits to progressed luminaries.

If that much testing blows our minds, we can work on refinement. If it doesn't, then I'm sure we don't need another wonky progression system that may or may not work <g>.
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 12:47 pm

As with pets, I'm not going to name this one until I decide if we're keeping it :D

EDIT LATER: Unless we think of something better, and wanting the name to suggest the association with the PSSR (Progressed Sidereal Solar Return), I am currently going to call this the Progressed Sidereal Natus (PSN). I know that sounds a little presumptive since there are other ways to progress a natal chart but, after all, there are also other ways to progress the SSR.
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 12:48 pm

OK, now to actually look at results...

Graduated High School, left home next day, grandfather died a week later
p Sun conj r Saturn +44'
p Moon op. r Jupiter-Uranus partile, sq. p. Neptune 36'

Wedding
(If the mean/apparent displacement isn't much, my Venus was exactly on MC; but it would have been there in the PSSR regardless, ibn that case.)
partile Moon-Mars conj., sq. r. Saturn [quite bizarre!]
t. Venus conj. p. Moon 0°58', sq. p. Sun 0°15'

Left wife, left home state, 1st airplane trip, relocated to California
(The separating aspects - plus sign on orb - show the economic and other problems that led to our decision to separate.)
p. Sun conj. p. Saturn +0°18'
p. Mars r. Saturn +0°44'
p. Moon tr. p. Mercury +0°15'

Ambushed by GL at Sidereal School, public accusations, emerged triumphant, went home with Anna-Kria and began our decades-long relationship
p. Sun conj. p. Saturn +0°44'
(A lot of important aspects to the natal, but nothing else here.)

Met my spiritual teacher &c.
p. Mercury sq. p. Jupiter -0°31'
p. Venus conj. r Venus -0°32', sq. r Pluto -0°45'
p Mars sq. p Saturn +0°23'

Transformational instant, Logos, turning point
Nothing. (Major other transits, but nothing here.)

Inaugurated organization that is my biggest achievement'
p. Sun tr. p. Jupiter -0°09' [the Sun exactly squares local Asc]
p. Moon sq. r. Jupiter +0°20', r. Uranus +0°37', p. Uranus +0°31'

Climactic spiritual event
[(Depending on mean vs. apparent variance, r. Sun maybe on MC)
p. Mars sq. r. Venus -0°42', op. r. Pluto 0°51'

Spiritual teacher died, I inherited the lineage
This is arguably the most important example yet, because it puts a special focus on the progressed planets and their relationship to the PSSR angles. There are two parts to this event: The woman who had been my guru for almost a quarter century, with whom I had worked closely and cared about, died; and, as a consequence of that and by her designation, I becae the formal head of the lineage.
1. p Sun conjoins p Asc
2. t Saturn conj. p Moon 0°31'
There are other subtleties, but these are the main features.

Formal enthronement four months later
p Moon sq. r Sun -0°54'
p Venus conj. p Saturn -0°59' [trine p Moon exactly]
t Pluto conj. p Sun 0°30'

Long-term lover/partner health crisis, family hijacked her across country without notice
p. Venus conj. p. Saturn -0°27'
-- t Sun sq. Venus-Saturn partile, from exactly on MC
p. Moon-Pluto conj. 0°05'
p. Moon-Neptune sextile 0°00'

Her chart for the same day, nearly dead, relocated against her will or consent to never return to the place she'd selected for her life
*t. Saturn-Neptune across horizon, if angles are right; but this would be true of the PSSR anyway)
p. Venus-Pluto sq. -0°04'
p. Mars conj. r. Sun +0°23'
t. Neptune sq. p. Sun +0°55' [on PSSR angles?]
t. Mars op. p Moon +1°03'

Back to me... organizational betrayal by a trusted deputy
p-. Neptune sq. r Jupiter 0°03'
p Venus-Saturn conj. 0°07'

Began relationship with Marion
(She recently told those at a party, "This was supposed to be a one-night stand, but it didn't work out that way." Pluto was transiting Moon anyway, and this was exactly on PSSR angles - but look at the aspects that joined them.)
p Sun sq r Moon -0°52'
t. Pluto conj p,. Sun 0°28'
p Venus-Saturn conj. 0°48'

Her progressions for the same event
(Her p Venus is 0°02' from square my Sun, her p Sun conj my Jupiter-Uranus within minutes, her p Mars minutes from my Asc. That aside...)
t. Uranus op. p. Uranus 0°31' exactly on PSSR horizon
t. Venus conj. p Sun 0°04'
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 12:48 pm

I have to say.... some of these hits are remarkable. This little technique may get a name yet. It isn't often that I get this kind of results on first impression of a new technique.

I invite/encourage all of you to try it. I'll also look at some famous charts. But first...
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

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First wife's chart for marriage
First off, if the angles are right, progressed Venus is exactly on EP and natal Moon exactly on MC. Her p Jupiter is minutes from my Asc her p Mars 31' from conjunct my Moon, her p Mercury conjunct my Venus to the minute!
p Moon op. r Neptune 0°12'

Her chart for when I left
(A Venus-Uranus square fell on the PSSR angles. At the exact hour, Moon joined it to make a Moon-Venus-Uranus T. But this would have appeared in the PSSR anyway. Her p Sun was exactly on my natal Venus-Pluto.)
p Mercury conj. r. Asc
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

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William McKinley murdered
t. Saturn exactly on Dsc, which it would have been with the PSSR anyway... but it was also 0°03' from square p. Moon!

Robert Kennedy murder
There are all sorts of things that can be taken both ways - and he had a two-pronged evening - but one thing is completely clear and distinctive to this technique:
t Saturn sq p Sun 0°23'
(Saturn wasn't transiting anything else. It seemed inactive but for this dead-on transit.)

Richard Speck committed his murders
p Sun sq r Mars +0°03'
-- t Jupiter op p Sun -0°14'
-- t Jupiter sq r Mars 0°11'
p Mercury tr r Saturn +0°34', tr p M -0°34' [exact midpoint]

Richard Nixon resignation
(Nothing exciting, but what's there is accurate enough.)
p Mars tr r Pluto 0°03'
p Mercury sex p Uranus 0°01'
-- p Mercury-Sun conj 0°22'
-- p. Sun-Uranus sex 0°23'

Neil Armstrong for Moon Landing
Transiting Jupiter and Uranus were conjoined at 6°26' and 6°23' Virgo. These touched nothing in Armstrong's chart, though they dominated the mundane charts. With this new progression system, his progressed Su was 5°31' Virgo, partile conjunct the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction.

John Kennedy murder
p Mars 5°40' Gemini
natal MC for Dallas 6°23' Gemini

r Neptune 9°05' Cancer
p Sun 9°51' Cancer
p Saturn 10°30' Cancer
p Neptune 10°58' Cancer

p Mercury sq r Mars 0°02'


King Edward VIII abdicated
Besides a number of small, juicy Pluto contacts...
p Sun-Uranus sq. 0°11', r. Uranus 0°23'
p Mercury-Mars sq. 0°32'
p Venus-Uranus trine 0°16', r. Uranus 0°28'

Charles Whitman's murders
p Pluto conj r Pluto 0°45'
t Neptune sq p Moon 0°40'
p Mercury-Mars sq. 0°07' (+ t Venus)
p Mars conj r Mercury 0°52'

Abraham Lincoln murdered
(An exact Mars-Neptune transiting square fell exactly on his angles; but this would have occurred in the PSSR anyway.)
p Moon-Mars sextile 0°09'
(Besides this minor factor, and the exceptional angularities, there is nothing going on with these progressions.)
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 12:49 pm

SteveS wrote:Very interesting, but not sure I completely understand. Are you using a different PSSR rate than Fagan used, or, are you saying you have figured out a way for us to implement Fagan’s PSSR rate with SF?
A little of both... let me take another crack at explaining. The simple version is: I'm applying the same PSSR rate to the birth chart for the whole life.

We usually the treat the PSSR as beginning with a new solar return. The SQ MC begins at the SSR, loops the zodiac once, and then ends when the next SSR starts. There's a gap.

But the PSSR is actually continuous for the whole life (if you count just its angles). There is never a gap in the angles. The whole idea of the PSSR is that its angles start with (say) the 2016 SSR and loop the zodiac 1 1/4 times and end up exactly where the 2017 SSR will pick up. If you just look at the angles, it looks like the PSSR is one uninterrupted system that starts at birth and moves the angles 360° + 92° = 452°/year throughout life.

None of this is new. It's just different than how we're used to thinking about it. What is new is that I thought, "But what about the planets? Did the PSSR planets from the birth char (our first SSR from age 0) ever stop progressing?" I now think they did not - that the birth chart has been progressing at the PSSR rate of roughly 1.26 days/year for our entire lives.

It was a lark... and the lark paid off.

Then, Steve, here's something that will tickle you: It looks like Fagan and Firebrace had the potential for this idea in their minds and never followed up on it. I found the following last night in the Primer in the PSSR chapter:
The sidereal time of a [solar] return thus progresses during the year and finally gives the [sidereal] time of the next solar return. Thus, there is a continuous progression of the angles of the return from birth to death at an approximate rate of five minutes a day.
So, to answer your specific question, I'm using exactly the same rate Fagan used for the PSSR, but I'm applying - for the whole life - to the natal chart.

What won't be exactly the same is something you might only notice in the angles. You can't yet trust the angles in what I've given above, only the planets. (1) Because I'm using an average rate, there may be small errors, because every SSR year is slightly longer or shorter. I think this distorts it less than 1° on the angles, usually no more than a few minutes. (2) Fagan based the PSSR on the apparent solar rate, not the mean. If this is correct, then the angles could be way off in this calculation method, as much as 8-10° off. That's not because I'm changing rate, it's because of the familiar Solar Fire problem that it can't do apparent rate progressions. [That's a separate question. I think we need to reassess whether the PSSR moves at apparent or mean rate.]
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 12:50 pm

Steve, to experiment, after customizing the user-selected progression rate, start with your birth chart for whatever location you want to test. Then launch my special triwheel I created for you, click the Charts button, and switch the middle wheel to be "User Progressions." You now have your natal on the inmost ring, then the PSN (new system) planets, then transits, and you can zip forward and backward through different dates you want to check.

I notice, for example, that transiting Saturn conjoined your progressed Sun January 22 to February 14, being exact on February 2. Does that make sense?
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 12:50 pm

SteveS wrote:Very interesting, I now have a better understanding where you are coming from, will research with my life progressing my natal planets with this PSSR rate on a continuous basis for entire life.

Jim wrote:
I notice, for example, that transiting Saturn conjoined your progressed Sun January 22 to February 14, being exact on February 2. Does that make sense?
Makes perfect sense! This was the exact time for probably my worst health issues in my entire life.

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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 12:51 pm

I love those words "the exact time." (I hate the rest of the sentence, but I love those words.) And your health issue was related to the Sun, yes?

If you have a few more you'd like me to spot check while you're gearing up, let me know. For comparison, at noon today your PSN Sun is 0°04' Sagittarius, Moon 17°43' Capricorn. For Albertville, the MC (which is an approximate value, but let's you check if you're using Solar Fire correctly) is 16°38' Capricorn, Ascendant 5°43' Taurus.

Progressed Sun 0°04' Sagittarius is opposite progressed Uranus at 0°08' Gemini. Read this like a Secondary Progression (it's the same thing, but 26% faster). Right this hour, transiting Moon is 0° Gemini, so you should be feeling it :) You also have progressed Mercury 20°16' Scorpio trine your natal Pluto within 0°02', and partile trine progressed Pluto. If this system proves itself, today could be the day that an astounding new personal intellectual adventure begins. (I'm exalting the "excitement" aspects of your chart, not my unproven new idea <g>.)
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Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 12:51 pm

Aleister Crowley finished receiving dictation of The Book of the Law, which formed the foundation of his life's work and his whole life thereafter.

p Moon tr. p Sun -0°05'
p Moon sq. r Venus +0°27'
(If the birthtime used is correct, the PSSR already had t Pluto on Asc.)

Not much here. What is here is appropriate, but unexciting.
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

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SteveS wrote:Jim asked:
And your health issue was related to the Sun, yes?
Exactly! My vitality with my health issues was almost completely drained with t. Saturn on this PSN Sun. I had difficulty getting out of bed walking with enough energy to other parts of the house.

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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

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Notice that this thread was started late morning, April 28. I had an Ennead set up April 27, just before sunrise, with the following:

0°14' Aries t Uranus (0°15' below Asc)
0°38' Aries Asc
0°46' Aries t Mercury (0°23' below Asc)

Mercury-Uranus conj. 0°32' in eclipto, 0°08' in mundo

Add:
Sun 7°05' before Asc
Pluto 6°28' before MC
Sun-Pluto sq. 0°45'

Jupiter 4°04' after Dsc
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 12:53 pm

Here is a problem with this calculation approach: Every SSR year is of slightly different length, and while the rate I provided is an accurate number, and would be perfectly sound if everything always flowed at the same rate, it can get slightly off for a given year. It is easy to check how much, though, by doing a once-a-year calculation: Calculate the PSN to the moment of your Solar Return and see how much they differ.

Your SSR occurred September 20, 2016, 3:32:51 AM CDT in Albertville with MC 19°10' Aries. Calculating your PSN to that exact moment gives MC 17°30' Aries (which is about the largest discrepancy I've seen, but less than 2°). That means that your PSN calculations for this year of your life are running about 1°40' too slow. Write that down somewhere, so when you check the PSN throughout the rest of the birthday year you know that you need to add about a degree and a half.

You can get the angles more exactly by running them from your SSR (i.e., a mean rate PSSR). For 8:03:53 this morning, that gives MC 23°06' Capricorn instead of the 21°26' Capricorn you and I both get originally. So, again, it shows a 1°40' slip.

I want to emphasize that you have set up and used the system correctly. The flaw is in the calculation method, since every SSR starts it just a little off the average. What I've just shown you is how to know how much it's off this year so you can experiment freely.

Also, for convenience in checking, this works great with my custom Triwheel that you like. Just pull up a triwheel on your natal, click the Charts button, and set the middle ring to User Progressed. Instant PSN, and you can slide it forward or backward to different dates.
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

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Margaret Edens, born August 17, 1926, 10:20 AM, Long Beach, CA. Killed when a train struck her car June 12, 1950, 7:27 AM, Fullerton, CA.

p Mercury sex. r Saturn +25'
p Veneu sq r Moon -49'
p Mars sq. p Jupiter -13'

Not a very impressive example, given the strength of that Moon-Venus progression. However, as it would in her PSSR, there was also t Uranus conj. p MC partile.
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John Kennedy, born May 29,1917, 3:00 PM, Brookline, MA. Murdered November 22, 1963, 12:30 PM, Dallas, TX.

p Uranus sq. r Jupiter 34' [not sure it's that important, given its duration]
p Saturn conj. p Neptune 28' [ditto]
p Sun conj. p Saturn -39'

Bingo!
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Matthew Quellas, vorn August 19, 1941, 7:35 PM, Painesville, OH, had an auto accident that redirected and reouted his life February 3, 1968, 11:045 AM CST, 37N07, 89W12.

This one is quite astounding! This would have been the first event Matthew tested - it always came through for him - and he'd have been a convert on the spot, I suspect.

p Mercury op. p Mars 16'
p Mars conj. r Mars 28'
p Mercury op r Mars 44'
p Mars sq. r Moon 35'
p Mercury sq. r Moon 19'
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p Sun tr. p Saturn 20'
t Uranus conj. p Sun 20'
p Sun conj. r Venus 03'
p Saturn tr. r Venus 23'
p Sun tr. r Saturn 38'
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As would have been true in his (mean) PSSR, this also had Mercury exactly on MC and Jupiter near IC. Transiting Pluto squared Ascendant.
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 12:55 pm

Mercel Cerdan was born July 22, 1916, 9:00 PM BST, Sidi-Bel-Abbes, Algeria. He died in a plane crash October 27, 1949, in the Azores. (I have 12:00 noon. I don't recall if that means I had no time, or that it was noon. For present purposes, it doesn't matter.) - The aspects are quite excellent except for the Moon aspect at the end.

p Mars sq. p Saturn 32'
p Sun tr. r Moon 01'
p Neptune sq. r Jupiter 08' [triggered by transiting Sun]
p Pluto sex. r Jupiter 36' [probably minor]
p Moon op. p Jupiter 39'

Angles are interesting. The progressed Sun square to natal Moon occurs with Moon on PSN Descendant. Transiting Pluto is on MC. Both of these (excluding only the progressed Sun) would also be present in the mean rate PSSR, though.

I think he was travelling for pleasure BTW. Therefore, an interesting (I think minor) factor is t Jupiter op. p Venus 0°05'.
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Carl Erskine was born December 13, 1926, 10:00 AM CST, Anderson, IN. He pitched the first televised no-hitter ever in a game ending May 12, 1956, 4:11 PM EDT Brooklyn, NY.

p Mars tr. p Pluto 07'
p Jupiter sq. r Mercury 25' [but joined by t Saturn]
p Neptune tr. r Venus 02' [decades-long, but exceedingly close in '56]

Some transits of great interest:
t Uranus op. p Sun 01'
t Neptune sq. p Sun 25'
t. Mars op. p Moon 35'

Of great interest is the angularity (which would have been identical for the mean rate PSSR). Transiting Sun, Mars, and Uranus are each on an angle, making a Sun-Mars square in RA (IC to EP) and a Sun-Uranus square in PV IIC to Dsc) - entirely separarate from transiting Uranus' opposition to PSN progressed Sun (which was on Asc) within 0°01'.
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 12:57 pm

A police officer was born July 5, 1936, 10:45 AM EST, Washington, DC. He was killed in the line of duty on May 2, 1963, 1:00 AM EST, Washington, DC. (The next example will be his wife's chart. Having both makes this a particularly interesting set of charts for testing technique.)

The first striking thing I notice - that would not appear in any other known technique before PSN - is the following:

21°26' Can t Mars
21°38' Can p Sun

The remainder is:
p Jupiter sq. r Neptune 10'
t Uranus conj. p Mercury 17' [exactly on IC]

The angles had a strange Mercury focus but also surprise. p Asc conjoins natal Mercury, p IC conjoins the conjunction of transiting Uranus and progressed Mercury.
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 12:57 pm

His wife was born July 7, 1938, 11:34 AM, Washington, DC. She learned about the shooting not long after it occurred, so we'll use the same event data. And look at this coincidence that doesn't occur in any other system:

20°42' Can t Sun
21°25' Can t Mars

They both had PSN progressed Sun in the same degree, and it was the degree of transiting Mars.

(She had a lot of other things in her chart showing that the impact on her was different from her husband, including t Saturn op. r Veus27'; but I'm here listing only things that are in the PSN.)

The angles (which, of course, are the same as the mean PSSR) put t Pluto conj p Mercury (1°05') conjunct quotidian MC.
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 09, 2017 12:58 pm

Ralph Edwards was born June 13 1913, 0:13 AM MST, Merino, CO. His home burned (on live TV IIRC) in a large Malibu fire, specifically December 26, 1956, 3:00 AM, Malibu, CA.

p Mars tr. p Uranus 23' [touched also by t Uranus]
p Venus conj. p Pluto 22'

For a "home" connection, I'm intrigued that progressed Moon conjoined his natal Moon within 40'.

Progressed Sun is on MC (something that would not appear in the PSSR). I'm sure this isn't the way he wanted to get some extra publicity and celebrity.
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

Post by UncleAries » Sun May 14, 2017 12:08 am

please delete, i used an incorrect prog rate button
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Re: The PSN - New progression system to test

Post by SteveS » Fri May 19, 2017 5:40 am

Jim, below is my PSN for a somewhat rare occurrence that happened to me last evening, timed to the minute of manifestation. This incident was an unexpected phone call I received involving possible upsetting future situations which may involve me, or not, and, the content of this intently serious conversation was of a discovery nature, but somewhat confusing. This phone call was from a well respected associate I’ve known for 38 years, and the last timed I talked to this person was 6-7 years ago. Certain parts of this conversation angered me but not toward the person communicating to me, but to possible situations I may or not have to deal with in the next few months.

Note the triple Paran of Sun-Mars-Uranus, a very rare occurrence. But, if I understand your PSN method, due to my age, I must advance the angles of this chart app. 1,40 degrees, correct?
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