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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:09 am

It's pretty bad for maternity. That Moon-Saturn alone...
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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by Freya » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:05 pm

Would going to Athens or Florence on my birthday make this SSR any better?

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:51 pm

Freya wrote:
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Would going to Athens or Florence on my birthday make this SSR any better?
Any location has SSR Moon conjunct Saturn 2°02' and square natal Pluto 1°55', also playing up transiting Saturn's square to natal Pluto 0°08'. It would take heroically great angles to overcome this, especially for the specific goal of being a mother (although it works very well for other things such as hard work and taking stock of oneself).

Florence puts natal Mars exactly square Midheaven and emphasizes Uranus' exact opposition (11') to your Saturn. (Besides, how safe is it right now?) I think in the best case it would be family conflict

Athens has nothing super-close to the angles, though natal Mars is strongest.

Based on the chart, I think this upcoming SSR is not a year when matters of maternity will go well.

But the last half of 2022, when you have the once-in-a-lifetime Solar Arc direction of your natal Moon-Venus square to your natal MC, you have a Solar Return with Venus rising across much of middle Europe - easy to find a place to celebrate that birthday.
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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by Freya » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:12 am

Thank you Jim, I see... there’s no way of avoiding it.
I am thinking of a solution as this has the potential yo throw me into a deep depression.

I have another treatment to use before Jan 2021 which I have paid for already as part of the package. If I don’t use it I lose the money which is considerable.

If I went back for another treatment before this SSR kicks in and froze the embryos until 2022 at least I would have stopped my biological clock now.

It’s the only solution I see...

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by Arena » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:50 am

Freya wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:12 am

I have another treatment to use before Jan 2021 which I have paid for already as part of the package. If I don’t use it I lose the money which is considerable.

If I went back for another treatment before this SSR kicks in and froze the embryos until 2022 at least I would have stopped my biological clock now.

It’s the only solution I see...
I'm sorry to bring this to your attention once again, I know I've said it before, but I do think the question is crucial to this process.

I know you want a baby, you want to become a mother. But I also want to ask you if you if you really want to become a mother with the husband that is threatening to divorce you in the middle of these trials? If you could choose, would you not rather bring a child into the world in a loving and supportive relationship?

The 35 limit is a statistic. I understand that you think of it, but it seems like you are letting it control your mind. Lots of women are fine to have children until 45, even with ivf. I had my two younger ones when I was 36-38. Even though I am divorced/separated from their father now I must tell you that it is a lot of work to have a little baby and it is extremely important to have loving support to share the workload and responsibilities for the first decade of their lives. I had that and am so grateful for that time. After the first decade it's different, they become more self sufficient and your role changes.

Like we have pointed out, already next two years have much better prospects astrologically.
Your next 2021 SSR has Jupiter conjunct your n. DSC and your n. Jupiter on ASC. And then there is the SSR Moon conjunct the Node which I believe is of importance. It's exciting since it has your n. Uranus opposing it - but it also seems like an important change. But there is also that Venus-Saturn-Uranus with your n. Saturn involved which looks like hardship in your relationship.

You may not want to wait at all even though we are saying the things we are saying. But is there any way that you could manage to negotiate with the clinic to wait a while before using your paid package? Just get extended time on that? Also there is another option, you don't have to freeze embryos, you can also just freeze your own eggs or ask for both? I say this because it seems like there are relationship issues, even possibly an upcoming divorce that you can not avoid dealing with before becoming a mother.

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by Freya » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:43 am

Please understand Arena that I am dealing with a major loss. I really don’t need a lecture right now. I am trying to be positive and find solutions. I do love my husband who is also grieving at the moment and he’s got no support network. He is getting a lot better. I don’t want to leave my husband and it really doesn’t help me to make me worry about a divorce. Yes I do want children with him. The 35 age “limit” isn’t a limit as such, but an indication based on my medical history. I am trying to get through my pain as best as I can right now and to be honest don’t need to feel more hopeless

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by Arena » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:06 am

I do totally understand that you're dealing with a loss Freya. That is why we are all coming to your aid, trying to help you get through it all. I am, as well as others in here, trying to give you hope - showing upcoming astrological energies in your favour. Please understand that I was not giving you a lecture at all. You may possibly see it differently when looking back on it in a couple of weeks/months. I was simply sharing an experience as a mother of three children in the light of what you yourself stated in the forum that your husband had threatened divorce. I totally understand and support you in still wanting to give your relationship/marriage a chance and be together into the future and having a baby. It just sounded pretty serious when you stated that he wanted a divorce. Please understand that we all care for you and are hoping the best for you.

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by Danica » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:27 pm

Freya, I have to say that I fully agree with everything Arena said- from the perspective that I have now, illuminated by bitter experience, having a child with a person with whom the relationship isn’t going well, is among the worst mistakes a woman can make!
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Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:32 pm

Freya, in a very emotional state, had a fight with her husband, also in a very emotional state, both of them in the middle of a miscarriage. It's possible to have an argument, even several, and even to disagree over what to do next, without requiring a divorce.

I know both you girls have been through it with men you thought you were in a loving relationship with and I'm so sorry that happened to you.

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Post by Freya » Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:07 am

Jupiter you are right in what you are saying. We had an argument after a traumatic event. Since then, things have changed. We are now determined to see this through, together. It’s not going to be easy, but we love each other and we have been through hell, emotionally and financially.

Yes I agree that having a child with the wrong person is not a good idea, hence I waited so long. On the other hand you wouldn’t wish your child dead just because he or she is related to an ex partner?

I feel saddened that some of you have decreed that my marriage is going to be over based on recent events and a malefic SSR.

I have been through a horrible divorce in 2015. I am not going through another one again. I love my husband

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by Veronica » Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:32 am

And he obviously loves you like crazy.
Hold tight to each other and nurture that love!!

Bob Ross said
"There are no mistakes
Only happy little accidents"

I know of hundreds of women who have babes from men they do not relate well too. Not one thinks their child came from or is a mistake. They all see their child as the biggest blessing and source of strength.

Freya, you are blessed with a man who has risen above normal and was open and receptive and supportive to your dream of motherhood. That is a diamond in the rough!!

I am so happy to hear that you two are back on the same page, looking forward and holding tight to each other.
Hearing that was like havibg the sun break through the clouds and chase them away. Thank you😀

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by SteveS » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:25 am

Veronica, I was reviewing this thread and just noticed you asked me a question which I did not answer.
V wrote and asked:
Steve, Did you know about SA back then or just following your bliss?
Veronica, I was not acutely aware of Solar Arcs in the Autumn of 1987 when I experienced my Solar Arc MC conjunct my Natal Neptune, which timed my life's dream coming true by becoming an independent Theater owner; therefore, just following my 'bliss' or 'fate' coming from the mathematical laws of nature with Solar Arcs in my Natal Chart.

But now Veronica, with me acutely aware of what I am living under with my individualized personal Solar Arcs, there is no doubt in my mind Solar Arcs are the most important astrological enlightenment ever encountered in my astrological life relative to my immediate environment/life. Beginning when I started this thread on Solar Arcs, here are the main Solar Arcs firing off in my life now:

Solar Arc Mercury = Natal Uranus (180) exact Nov 17 2019; Solar Arc Mercury = Natal Sun (90) exact Aug 6 2020.

What is actually happening now in my astrological life beginning with this thread: Solar Arc Mercury is firing-off the most important aspect in my Natal Chart: Natal Sun partile 90 Natal Uranus, a 'potential' natal paran with a rising Sun and culminating Uranus. This Mercury Solar Arc is also allowing me to see the main mundane manifestations occurring in this Country relative to the Boyd Chart with Solar ARCS. This Solar Arc Mercury now is truly acting as an individualized astrological enlightenment (Mercury, the Messenger) cycle for my life pertaining to Solar Arcs.

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by Veronica » Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:10 am

Good!
Because I would very much like you to use that influence now and keep exploring and discovering and sharing so that in another 90 years the world will have the foreknowledge of these powerful aspects at work so the currents could be used for the best.

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:) Will do V!

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by SteveS » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:26 am

Cyril Fagan pertaining to the planet Pluto related to Mundane Astrology:
Pluto is the Planet of crises, it acts with dramatic decisiveness, leaving the status quo irrevocably altered, if not shattered.
Below is a bi-wheel for USA's Boyd Natal Chart Chart (Inside Wheel), a very important USA Chart. *Note Boyd's Solar Arc Pluto partile conjunct Boyd's Natal Ascendant (Outside Wheel), the first time in USA's Boyd's history this angular Ascendant Pluto contact has occurred!

Boyd's Natal Chart Inside Wheel; Boyd's Solar Arc Chart Outside Wheel.
https://imgur.com/BRV0knb

Our Country is in Crises (Pluto) mode, and this is astrological reality proven by Solar Arcs with the Boyd Natal Chart for this Country!

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:12 am

SteveS wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:26 am
Note Boyd's Solar Arc Pluto partile conjunct Boyd's Natal Ascendant (Outside Wheel), the first time in USA's Boyd's history this angular Ascendant Pluto contact has occurred!
First time to Ascendant, true. But another contact that surely would be equally important was Solar Arc Pluto conjunct natal Midheaven, which was January 1932 (plus-minus a year, of course). This occurred during a difficult time, though it's a couple of years past the most concentrated hardship.

Pluto also directed to the Boyd chart's Descendant In November 1841.

While Pluto conjunct natal Ascendant speaks very eloquently about how the present time feels for this nation, I think - to filter this from other possible causes - you need to show a connection to events within a year of January 1932 and November 1841.
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Post by Veronica » Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:11 am

1841 malaria outbreak in USA?

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First time to Ascendant, true. But another contact that surely would be equally important was Solar Arc Pluto conjunct natal Midheaven, which was January 1932 (plus-minus a year, of course).This occurred during a difficult time, though it's a couple of years past the most concentrated hardship.
Pluto also directed to the Boyd chart's Descendant In November 1841.
1932--the worst of the employment figures for Great Depression 1929-1932. 1841--the first bad Depression for USA in its history--the worst part (1841) of the Depression of the 1840s. Simply put: Solar Arc Pluto to Boyd's angles are timing the worst times of USA Depressions, also tracking 90 year cycles in the NYSE---1840s, 1930s, 2020s(?). 2020s may be short lived (hope so) with Federal Reserve in place and not being in place in 1840s & 1930s, which I will eventually post my thoughts on later. IMO, I think we will be looking at a complete new re-set of the US$ probably backed by gold at a very high $ price---that is if the largest hoard of gold in the world is still in Fort Knox. The Country who has the gold-- Rules. If Gold is gone--USA becomes third world country :( .

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:16 am

Interesting that both of these fall in the long aftermath. Tough times after the more identifiable point-event. Of course, 1932 was a couple if years after the market crash. 1841 was event farther: the crash at that point was the Panic of 1837, which hit in the sprint, more than four years before the Pluto direction, but the resulting depression lasted seven years.

I think the timing is fuzzy but you are right - especially if you think in economic terms - these both occurred in the middle of very hard times.
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1841 aldo saw 3 USA Presidents.

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Post by SteveS » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:07 pm

Jim wrote:
I think the timing is fuzzy but you are right - especially if you think in economic terms - these both occurred in the middle of very hard times.
:) I can't help it Jim--I have been conditioned to think in economic terms. For example: My mind tells me specifically what I think this Jupiter/Pluto conjunction is doing pertaining to DC: IMO, it is expanding (Jupiter) Federal Reserve paper $ in a massive/dramatic manner (Pluto), because of what this Pandemic is doing to the Country economically. Because of this Jupiter-Pluto reaction by the Federal Reserve, I think the gold market is getting ready to explode, but only time knows for sure.

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by SteveS » Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:57 am

Since I began and have been writing this topic on Solar Arc Directions, I have been under the influence of my natal Solar Arc Mercury = n. Sun & Uranus, using partile 0,90,180 aspects. Reflecting and FWIW, here are my main observations which I now accept as a personal (Sun) discovered (Uranus) learning (Mercury) truths for my individual (Sun) being, relative to my life interests in Astrology.

1: Solar Arc Directing is a most important astrological system. Every serious astrologer should learn how to function Solar Arc Directing with their astrological computer programs to be implemented with their chart analysis for possibly timing important life events.

2: Using the Solar Arc system proves to me the Boyd Chart is a very important chart for timing major events in the history of America. I now believe because Solar Arc Directing has not been a part of mainstream astrological systems, much acute/important timing frames with important charts have been overlooked with serious astrologers. Helen Boyd and Brigadier R.C. Firebrace, C.C.E. (RIP) both believed with their written work in Helen's book “The True Horoscope of the United States”, the Boyd Chart was America's 'True Horoscope' and both were not using Solar Arc Directing with the Boyd Chart. Later, I will offer a list of important events in America with the Boyd Chart using Solar Arc Directing.

3: The NYSE (New York Stock Exchange) McWhirter Chart is an accurate timed chart.

4: As of now, by far the best written material I have studied for Solar Arc Directing is Noel Tyl's (RIP) book, "Solar Arcs", Astrology's Most Successful Predicting System.

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by Danica » Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:06 pm

Thank you for sharing your findings on this, Steve!
(On a side note, I always respected Tyl, primarily for his work on aspects; still don’t have this book on Solar Arc - will make sure to get it.)
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Post by SteveS » Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:13 pm

:) You are welcome Danica. I also think Noel Tyl would agree with your earlier statement made in this topic where you said:
Mile Dupor, a prolific and influential Balkan astrologer from beginning of 20th century, quickly came to fame in his environment by predicting events in people's lives based solely on Solar Arc Directions. He was not even going into fine calculations of 00*00', just giving the year of life and the type of event, based on planets involved.
After you read Tyl's Solar Arc book, I think you would agree Mile Dupor was offering valid predictions using Solar Arcs the same as Tyl methodology for offering forecasts with Solar Arc. And, with your caliber of reading charts, I think Solar Arc method would definitely enhance your astrological abilities.

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Re: Solar Arc Directions

Post by SteveS » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:29 pm

Federal Reserve A Rated Birth Chart: https://imgur.com/k4lcuxE
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bu ... al_Reserve

Angular Natal Signatures:
Sun 180 Pluto on East Point-West Point axis 90 MC
Mars 1,01 conjunct Asc.
Mercury partile 180 Saturn

A most interesting Solar Arc situation in these unprecedented times for the Federal Reserve:

Bi-wheel (Inside Natal); Solar Arc (Outside Wheel)
https://imgur.com/1UN68tj

***Note:
Solar Arc Pluto partile 90 ASC (A very rare lifetime angular hit)
Solar Arc Sun partile 90 ASC ''
Solar Arc Mercury partile 180 Saturn on Natal MC/IC Axis (A very rare lifetime angular hit)
Secondary Progressed Natal Moon partile 90 Natal & Progressed Pluto

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