French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

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French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by SteveS » Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:36 am

Mark, a moderator on the Skyscript forum said:
This is from an article on pandemics by the late great French astrologer André Barbault.
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''Going back to the pandemics and going back to the past century, the four crises of 1918, 1954, 1968 and 1982 are obvious, the two considerable being the first, the famous "Spanish flu" which is said to have claimed 25 million lives, and the last one in which AIDS, which is even more devastating and continues to be deadly. Since then, there has also been a small influenza surge in 2009, against the last lowest cyclical index (2010). We may well be in serious danger of a new pandemic at the 2020-2021 mark, at the lowest peak of the cyclical index of the 21st century, with the quintet of outer planets gathered over a hundred degrees, a conjunction Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto can more specifically, and even specifically, lend itself to the "tissue" of this imbalance. Nevertheless, this configuration can also transfer its core of dissonances to the terrain of geophysical disasters, without ultimately sparing the international affairs scene, Nature and Society being indiscriminately affected.'

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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:53 am

Do you know what factors he was using?
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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:56 am

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... 3266e49a73
has a link to the article in French: http://www.andrebarbault.com/DOC/503.pd ... UsT7sMV4is


He's apparently referring to the "conjunction Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto" . Post was published Mar 29, 2020

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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:49 am

Interesting mix, since we've separately seen Saturn-Pluto for epidemics and Jupite-Pluto for managing them.
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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:03 pm

I just ran a report of all times for 1850 to present that Jupiter, Saturn, and Pluto were all within 3↑ of conjunction, opposition, or square each other. Here they are. This appears to be too "tight" a definition.

Oct 4 1851 - Oct 28 1851
Dec 3 1875 - Jan 10 1876
May 24 1931 - Jun 18 1931
Dec 26 1955 - Jan 24 1956
Jun 7 1956 - Jul 5 1956
Jun 23 1965 - Jul 6 1965
Jul 26 2010 - Sep 4 2010
Oct 5 2035 - Nov 7 2035
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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by SteveS » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:06 pm

Jim asked:
Do you know what factors he was using?
Yes for economic trends/world trends—no for how he predicted this 2020 Pandemic. But I am sure it was related to his simple method labeled Barbault's Cyclic Index. Barbault refined this “Index” from the mundane work of Joseph Gouchon. Quoting from the book “Mundane Astrology” by Michael Baigent, Nicholas Campion and Charles Harvey:
Gouchon set out a remarkable discovery. He had found that by calculating the total angular separation between each of the pairs of the five outer planets for March 21 for each year from 1880, and then plotting the results on a graph, the resulting curve showed a striking correspondence with the main periods of international crises and, most impressively, major and sustained 'lows' for the period 1914-18 and 1940-45 (see Fig. 6.1 p 170). page 169.

See this link for Barbault's his future & past Cyclic Index; first graph on left in blue:

https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALe ... 24&bih=499

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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:09 pm

Here's a different list, capturing when Jupiter, Saturn, and Pluto were in the same sign. This also misses, say, the WW I era flu epidemic. It's interesting, though, that it captures the current cycle a year ago when they were all in Sagittarius for a couple o months, then exactly from October of last year util spring of 2021. That's... interesting.

Mar 29 1881 - Aug 18 1882
Sep 11 1980 - Dec 20 1982
Mar 7 2019 - May 9 2019
Oct 17 2019 - Apr 20 2021
Sep 11 2021 - Nov 27 2021
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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by SteveS » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:14 pm

Confirms what we already know with the 2020 and particularly DCs 2021 Capsolar!

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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by SteveS » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:51 pm

Is there a member on this forum who can read French?


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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:20 am

SteveS wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:51 pm
Is there a member on this forum who can read French?
I used to read it fluently but haven't used it in decades. Today it's very spotty.
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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by SteveS » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:10 am

Jim wrote:
I used to read it fluently but haven't used it in decades. Today it's very spotty.
There is no telling what we mundane astrologers may be able to learn with more specifics about Barbault's work. But, one thing for sure: Barbault's Cyclic Index is telling us the World is in for some rough times mostly throughout the 2020s.

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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by SteveS » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:27 pm

Since we have 3 Jupiter-Pluto conjunctions dominating 2020, I thought I would quote some words from the book Mundane Astrology in the context of the authors discussing Barbault's Cyclic Index.
Jupiter-Pluto: Barbault relates this 12 year cycle to the growth of international terrorism. (May be looked at with hindsight-- this pandemic terrorizing the world!) As a cycle it ought to relate to the development of plutocratic as well as political power. (No argument from me with what is happening in the Trump Administration). Crawford (financial astrologer) has evidence for its impact on economic cycles--(Bingo). Ebertin relates this combination to the attainment of power of all kinds, be it physical, material, mental or spiritual. (?--unless a consolidation of political power with government with this pandemic). The conjunctions in the past century occurred in 1894, 1918 (Spanish Flu Pandemic), 1931 (Sliding deeper into economic depression), 1943 (WW11), 1955/56 (?), 1968 (Maybe ushering in Nixon with his plutocratic political manipulation), and 1981.
Mundane Astrology book published in 1984.

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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:38 pm

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Jupiter-Pluto: Barbault relates this 12 year cycle to the growth of international terrorism.
This has definitely been true in modern history. It's the first part of my basic Jupiter-Pluto mundane interpretation. It's not about terror per se, and the Ebertin-influenced "political power" or "plutocratic" themes are all down the wrong road (as Ebertin usually is when using the word "power" as a primary Pluto word). Rather: "Challenging beliefs, traditions, values, and the political-cultural systems that sustain them (ideological extremism arises). Political undermining or reversals (leaders attacked, removed; fall of regimes; reversals in political dominance; covert operations)." (etc.)
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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by SteveS » Sun May 10, 2020 6:19 pm

No wonder that some mundane astrologers attach so much importance to the Cyclic Index! Robert D. Doolaard
More detailed statistical data (Wars) for Barbault Cyclic Index by Doolaard:
http://cyclesresearchinstitute.org/pdf/ ... ofWars.pdf

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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by SteveS » Mon May 11, 2020 8:22 am

One of the Forum Members on Skyscript is in the process of translating from French to English Barbault's link article included on the first post in this topic. He says he needs a few days for this process---so I will post a link when he posts the translations.

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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by SteveS » Wed May 13, 2020 10:29 am

There may well be serious danger of a new pandemic at the turn of 2020-2021, at the lowest point in the cyclic index of the whole 21st century, with the five slowest planets assembled within a hundred degrees, a conjunction of Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto could more particularly, and more specifically, lend itself to the “fabric” of this imbalance. The fact remains that this configuration could also transfer its core of dissonance to the field of geophysical disaster, without ultimately sparing international business, Nature and Society being indiscriminately affected.
page 7 of 8 June 8th 2011 article by Andre Barbault; French Mundane Astrologer.

Thanks to Paul an Administrator on the Skyscript Forum for translating Barbault June 8 2011 article from French to English provided in Paul's link below containing Barbault's full June 8 2011 article:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cd_ ... ChPPE/edit

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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by SteveS » Thu May 21, 2020 4:07 pm

Andre Barbault Natal Chart:
https://imgur.com/jR6DpNS

Interesting Natal for a great Mundane Astrologer researcher! Tight Moon-Sun Virgo Conjunction; 4 planet Stellium in Virgo. Exact Venus-Mars conjunction partile 180 Uranus in the immediate foreground near Horizon. I wish I had all his mundane work in English. :)
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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu May 21, 2020 4:50 pm

Steve, you made the same location mistake I almost made. Solar Fire has Champigneulles, France (48N44, 6E10), but that's not where he was born: It was in Champignelles, which is 47N46, 3E04. This gives MC 20°36' Scorpio, Asc 2°31' Leo, a little different from your posted chart.

There's another small possible variation in the time. His birth certificate stated 5:00 PM, as you've used (and as I use for my file copy). However, his translator, Mark Perry, quotes Barbault for 4:54:21 PM, which I presume is his own rectification.

With that much Virgo, he must have been great <vbg>. Look at his mundoscope for Moon-Sun-Jupiter-Saturn even closer than in the ecliptic, the luminaries 0°02' apart, all four within 1°26'.
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Re: French Mundane Astrologer Andre Barbault (RIP) About the 2020 Pandemic

Post by SteveS » Fri May 22, 2020 6:51 am

Thanks for the corrections in time & location Jim. I posted a new link for his Natal showing the corrections.

Jim wrote:
Look at his mundoscope for Moon-Sun-Jupiter-Saturn even closer than in the ecliptic, the luminaries 0°02' apart, all four within 1°26'.
:) Truly, the Mundoscope was a great innovation by Cyril Fagan allowing the astrologer to see more of the positional truth of a chart.

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With that much Virgo, he must have been great <vbg>.
:) Mercury truly captured his soul for his life long quest for learning his style related to Mundane Astrology.

A link to a good informative article about Barbault (using Tropical Z for his Natal-- but still good article)
https://www.lynnbellastrology.com/artic ... e-barbault

Barbault stated 2020-2021 will be the most malefic times for the entire 21st Century and was quoted in the above link:
He remains optimistic about the new world that will emerge in 2026, when the outer planets are sextile and trine...

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