Kursk submarine disaster

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Kursk submarine disaster

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:26 pm

August 12, 2000, 11:29:34 AM to 11:31:48 AM BADT, off Murmansk at 69N36, 37E34

The Russian nuclear submarine Kursk exploded and sank in the Barents Sea off Murmansk Oblast. The second of two explosions registered on seismographs as 4.2 on the Richter scale. (The first explosion was a Richter 1.5 at 69N38, 37E19. The coordinates given above are for the second blast.)

All 118 people aboard died.

The cause was a bad weld in one torpedo case, allowing peroxide leaks that ignited the torpedo's kerosene, which blew off both ends of the torpedo tube, started a fire, caused structural damage, and killed the control room crew. The fire then ignited other torpedo warheads about two minutes later, causing the second, large explosion. (Fortunately, the nuclear reactor powered down safely.)

Apparently because it wasn't immediately evident that there was a problem, it was six hours before a search was started, 16 hours before the sub was located, and seven days before the hatch was opened. The Russian government covered up the matter for most of that week, only accepting international help on the fifth day.

I'll study the moment and place of the first explosion, August 12, 2000, 11:29:34 AM BADT, 69N38, 37E19.

Year: Capsolar (Dormant.) Moon-Saturn.

Year/Quarter: Cansolar {+2}
Pluto on WP 0°37'
Neptune on Dsc 2°25'
Moon, Sun, Mercury, Venus more widely foreground.
-- Sun-Mercury conj. 0°03' in mundo
-- Jupiter-Neptune sq. 0°39' PVP
-- Venus-Neptune op. 0°57'
-- Mercury-Pluto op. 0°58' in mundo
-- Sun-Pluto op. 1°02' in mundo
-- Moon-Venus op. 1°36' in mundo
-- Moon-Sun op. 1°41' in mundo
-- Moon-Mercury op. 1°44' in mundo
-- Moon-Pluto op. 2°42' in mundo
-- Mercury-Mars conj. 3°10' in mundo
-- Sun-Venus conj. 3°17' in mundo
-- Mercury-Venus conj. 3°20' in mundo
-- -- Pluto op. non-foreground Mars 2°12' in mundo
-- -- Sun conj. non-foreground Mars 3°14' in mundo

Bridge {+2}
CapQ Moon sq. s/p Uranus 0°28'
t Uranus op. Capsolar Asc 0°52'
t Pluto sq. Cansolar MC 1°57', op. EP 0°18'
t Jupiter sq. Cansolar MC 0°35'
t Mars sq. Capsolar Moon 0°40'
t Mars conj. Cansolar Asc 1°34'

Month: Caplunar {+2}
Pluto on Asc 0°35'
-- Mars-Pluto sq. 0°21' PVP
Uranus sq. Asc 1°09' [op. non-foreground Venus 3°45' in mundo]
Saturn on Dsc 3°45'
Mercury & Jupiter more widely angular
Moon-Sun op. 0°06' in mundo
Moon-Mars op. 0°11' in mundo
Moon-Neptune conj. 2°20' in mundo
Moon-Venus op. 3°27' in mundo

Week: Liblunar {+2}
Neptune sq. Asc 0°25'
Pluto sq. MC 1°00'
-- [op. non-foreground Saturn 3°04' in mundo, op. non-angular Jupiter 3°34' in eclipto]
Mars widely angular
-- Mars-Neptune op. 0°05' in mundo
Moon-Mercury sq. 2°13'

Day: Capsolar Quotidian & Transits {+3}
p Moon sq. s Uranus 0°28'
p MC sq. t Neptune 1°00'
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t Uranus op. s Asc 0°52'
t Sun conj. s Asc 0°14'
t Mars sq. s Moon 0°40'

Day: Cansolar Quotidian & Transits {+2}
CanQ angles almost to the minute the same as Capsolar
p Asc op. t Uranus 0°43', op. s Uranus 0°18', conj. t Sun 0°23'
-- t Sun op. s Uranus 0°05'
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t Pluto sq. s M 1°57', op. s EP 0°18'
t Jupiter sq. s MC 0°35'
-- t Venus op. s MC 1°22'
t Mars conj. s Asc 1°34'
-- t Mercury conj. s Asc 0°47'
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Re: Kursk submarine disaster

Post by SteveS » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:43 pm

Any interesting planetary signatures with SMA in Moscow?

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:30 pm

SteveS wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:43 pm
Any interesting planetary signatures with SMA in Moscow?
Let's take a look:

Year: Capsolar {+2}
Neptune on Dsc 0°35'
Sun, Mercury more widely foreground
-- Sun-Mercury conj. 0°17'
-- Venus-Neptune sq. 1°48' PVP
-- Sun sq. non-foreground Jupiter 1°25'
-- Mercury sq. non-foreground Jupiter 1°42'
Moon-Saturn conj. 0°54' in mundo
Moon-Mars sq. 1°15' in mundo

Bridge {+2}
CapQ Moon sq. s/p Uranus 0°28'
t Neptune op. Capsolar Asc 0°05'
t Pluto op. Cansolar EP 0°02'
t Jupiter sq. Cansolar MC 0°52'
t Mars sq. Capsolar Moon 0°40'

Quarter: Cansolar {+3}
Mercury on Asc 0°34' stationary
-- Mercury-Saturn sq. 1°17' PVP
Pluto on WP 0°21'
Mars on Asc 2°05'
Sun more widely foreground
-- Su/Pl on horizon 0°49'
-- Mercury-Mars conj. 1°31' in mundo

Month: Caplunar (Dormant.) Moon-Sun Moon-Mars.

Week: Liblunar {+2}
Uranus sq. Asc 0°50'
Pluto sq. MC 1°17'
Saturn more widely foreground
-- Saturn-Pluto op. 0°23' in mundo
-- Saturn sq. non-foreground Venus 1°16'
-- Pluto op. non-foreground Jupiter 3°34'
Moon-Mercury sq. 2°13'
Moon-Uranus sq. 2°15' in mundo

Day: Capsolar Quotidian & Transits {+3}
p Moon sq. s Uranus 0°28'
p MC sq. t Neptune +1°17', t Mars -1°13' (Ma/Ne 0°02'')
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t Neptune op. s Asc 0°05'
t Mars sq. s Moon 0°40'

Day: Cansolar Quotidian & Transits {+2}
p Asc conj. p Venus 0°11', op. p Neptune 1°02', t Neptune 0°19'
-- p Venus-Neptune op. 0°51'
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t Pluto op. s EP 0°02'
t Jupiter sq. s MC 0°52'
t Venus op. s MC 1°39'
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Re: Kursk submarine disaster

Post by SteveS » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:31 am

Yes, I suspected a prominent Neptune.

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Re: Kursk submarine disaster

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:22 pm

SteveS wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:31 am
Yes, I suspected a prominent Neptune.
Why?
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Re: Kursk submarine disaster [Vehicle]

Post by SteveS » Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:20 am

Jim asked:
Why?
For my opinion of a prominent Neptune without seeing any Sidereal Mundane charts. Answer: Because of your observation with this event happening at sea (Neptune) and a 'government cover-up' (Neptune) with your below statement which I first read without looking at features of the Sidereal Mundane Astrology charts:
Apparently because it wasn't immediately evident that there was a problem, it was six hours before a search was started, 16 hours before the sub was located, and seven days before the hatch was opened. The Russian government covered up the matter for most of that week, only accepting international help on the fifth day.
Your above words spoke to me with my opinion for high % a prominent Neptune event reflected in the Sidereal Mundane Astrology charts and then my eyes saw this.
Year: Capsolar {+2}
Neptune on Dsc 0°35'
Whenever I see a planet partile conjunct a Capsolar angle, imo, it will be a very prominent symbolic influence for any possible newsworthy event for the solar year for a given location. IMO, the most potent/dominating symbolic influence which can occur with a Sidereal Mundane Astrology chart are planets partile/tight conjunct a Capsolar (Master Chart of the Year) primary angle, and then transiting outer planets partile conjunct a primary Capsolar angle. Then second,—the same for a Cansolar.

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Re: Kursk submarine disaster [Vehicle]

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:14 am

I think Neptune for the cover-up is exactly dead-on, especially since that's the angularity for Moscow rather than the event site. Good catch!

Neptune for "submarine" (water etc.) itself doesn't match other submarine disasters. When the USS Thresher imploded and sank it was primarily a Uranus event at the site, though for DC it was more violent, emotional, and "What do we do about this?" (One key Neptune: on Week chart IC for Washington; but mostly Pluto with Mars elements.)

When the USS Scorpion sank (with many unresolved mysteries still around it), there was no Neptune involvement at the site, which was Saturn more than anything. For Washington it was a mix of malefics with more Mars and Saturn than anything (but quite a mix).
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Re: Kursk submarine disaster [Vehicle]

Post by SteveS » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:46 am

Jim wrote:
When the USS Scorpion sank (with many unresolved mysteries still around it), there was no Neptune involvement at the site, which was Saturn more than anything. For Washington it was a mix of malefics with more Mars and Saturn than anything (but quite a mix).
I understand. I can only assume from a DC local psychological standpoint, there was much more destructive/depressive (Mars-Saturn) psychological feelings than the psychological feelings for 'unresolved mysteries' of Neptune. Still, IMO, there is nothing more symbolically-psychologically potent in Sidereal Mundane Astrology or Genethlical Astrology than a planet, particularly an outer planet, partile mundo conjunct a primary chart angle, or partile transit on a primary angle. I incorporated this importance into my personal practice by learning from your "Aspect Orbs" segment in your book 'Interpreting Solar Returns' where you stated:
...closer aspects are stronger than wider aspects. The extent of partility (exactness) determines priority.


Since we know we are working with near exact (within a few seconds of arc) astronomical positions of angles with Sidereal Mundane Astrology charts, I strictly apply your above words on 'aspect orbs' with the primary angles for Sidereal Mundane Astrology charts. This guideline for my mundane work is my main reason I am most concerned with DC's 2021 Capsolar with mundo Mars 00,29 conjunct MC, partile 90 Saturn for a Mars-Saturn (destructive) 'outstanding incident'-- with an approaching partile t. Saturn on DC's 2021 Capsolar Dsc for a couple of months. I have looked at all of DC's history of Capsolars and DC's 2021 Capsolar is very worrisome to me pertaining to my personal guidelines for my mundane astrological work. But I digress and should save this discussion later for the 2021 Capsolars topic.

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Re: Kursk submarine disaster [Vehicle]

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:53 am

There are a few other events that are dramatically shrouded in mystery long after they occurred, and where Neptune is a main player. My favorite is the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. It's practically mythic!
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Post by SteveS » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:13 am

Jim wrote:
My favorite is the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. It's practically mythic!
Got to leave for some daily errands but will definitely check it out when I back.

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Re: Kursk submarine disaster [Vehicle]

Post by SteveS » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:58 pm

Jim wrote:
My favorite is the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. It's practically mythic!
Indeed! Capsolar Quotidians (CapQ) statistically are mind blowing!


Mundo Feb 14, 1929 10:30 AM CST CapQ, Lincoln Park, ILLINOIS (Saint Valentines Massacre):
https://imgur.com/7iqziqs

And then when we bi-wheel transits (outer wheel) for the CapQ event (inner wheel) we see t. Mars partile conjunct CapQ Dsc:
https://imgur.com/gZomLGb

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Re: Kursk submarine disaster [Vehicle]

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:26 pm

But for the Neptune-mythic-mystery element, consider:

Capsolar Moon-Neptune op. 1°09'
Cansolar (acting Year chart) Neptune rising 2°01', Moon-Neptune sq. (1°07' PVP)

Arilunar Neptune setting 1°11' opposite Sun (Su/Ne=Asc 0°13')

Day: Transiting Neptune square Capsolar Asc, t Neptune on Cansolar Asc 0°38'
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Re: Kursk submarine disaster [Vehicle]

Post by SteveS » Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:31 pm

I understand better now. Thanks Jim.

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