Two very interesting SMA Midterm Quotidians

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Two very interesting SMA Midterm Quotidians

Post by SteveS » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:02 am

A couple of interesting CapQ's for Midterm election night. CapQ Jupiter partile cnj IC; CapQ Mars 1,23 cnj Nadir. FWIW, I interrupt Caput cnj EP as the voting public. Probably the only outcome in question is House majority. Nate Silver has 85% favor for Dems winning majority House, but Silver was terribly in error for 2016 Prez election. Allowing Sidereal Mundane Astrology symbolism/psychology for mainly flowing through Prez in DC involving the Country, I can see this CapQ manifesting either way for majority House. CapQ Jupiter partile favors Trump, but Mars 1,23 cnj CapQ Nadir argues against Trump. However, Mars-Jupiter symbolism is par-excellent symbolism for any kind of fighting/waring contest.
CapQ Nov 6 11:00 PM DC:

https://imgur.com/a/NvHl0Cd

The last few months Jim and I have being doing some interesting work with Fagan’s Progressed Solar Sidereal Ingresses (PSSI), mean rate. IMO, here is a most interesting Cap PSSI for Midterm election, Nov 6 11:00 PM, DC with tremendous mathematical precise astronomy. I can’t figure out how to get this Janus Cap PSSI chart in copied/link form, but here are the striking angular planets for this Cap PSSI:

Cap PSSI Venus partile cnj Cap PSSI IC, cnj Sun which is symbolizing the Prez Trump. This alone favors Trump with this Midterm election; but, Cap PSSI Uranus is partile cnj Cap PSSI Dsc. If we allow Uranus in this Quotidian to symbolize surprises or upsets, then this Q Uranus may not favor Trump with these elections. Present betting odds for majority House has Dems a -250 favorite with Reps +170 underdog.

Note: Transiting Venus 02,00 Lib partile 90 Cap PSSI Venus & Capsolar Venus; also, partile 90 Trump’s Natal Venus 01,45 Cancer—but Trump’s Natal Venus cnj Saturn—which could be symbolizing losses for Trump in this election.

One thing for sure: Whatever the outcome for these Midterms, these two Quotidian Charts with the exactness of Sidereal Mundane Astrology angles are symbolizing the Midterm Election event itself, and the outcome is already foreordained with all these partile angular cnj hits. Time will soon tell.

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Re: Two very interesting SMA Midterm Quotidians

Post by Avshalom Binyamin » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:57 am

Silver wasn't terribly in error for 2016. He showed about a 1 in 3 odds of a Trump win and pointed out that Hillary's lead was precarious at a time when everyone else thought she was a lock.

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Re: Two very interesting SMA Midterm Quotidians

Post by SteveS » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:01 am

Thanks AV, let me know what Silver's % are for a Dem House Majority winning on Election Day.

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Re: Two very interesting SMA Midterm Quotidians

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:24 am

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Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:01 am
Thanks AV, let me know what Silver's % are for a Dem House Majority winning on Election Day.
His team currently gives 6 chances out 7 that Dems take the House, 1 chance in 6 that they take the Senate.

Here's a new article by Nate himself on the shifting House landscape:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... publicans/
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Re: Two very interesting SMA Midterm Quotidians

Post by SteveS » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:30 am

Thanks Jim, very interesting link article by Silver. I am beginning to believe the odds makers for betting purposes are using Silver’s data for setting political odds. The betting odds are now the Dem’s taking majority of the House -280 & Rep’s taking the majority House +185. I note Silver stated in your link article this:
The wide ranges in our forecast reflect the uncertain conditions on the ground.
Silver seems to be saying his methodology for setting % odds for a political party winning supports the Dems a heavy favorite to win the majority in the House, but at the same time Silver is telling us to be wary of his odds data heavily favoring the Dems to win majority in the House-- with ‘uncertain conditions on the ground’.

I am somewhat perplexed that these 2 SMA Q charts for Nov 6 election Day reflect the same planetary angularity for Boston with the celebratory Parade today for Boston winning the World Series. This raises the betting (gambling) question in my mind: How would a Sidereal Astrologer bettor (gambler) define what these 2 Q charts are symbolizing for DC??? In Boston, we had a sporting contest—Boston wins, and in DC we have a political contest. So, HOW do we determine which political party will be celebrating (winning) the House majority based on these 2 Q charts??? Do we define these 2 Q charts meaning the winning party for the House will be the political party in power? If so, Silver’s methodology for determining % odds for which political party winning are flawed.

Jim, If memory is serving me this morning, I think you see in Trump’s charts benefic symbolism for Trump winning this Midterm election.

Clay Reed, a recent new member to the forum made the observation that Trump’s p. Venus partile cnj Natal Jupiter and could be the reason Trump is beneficially protected. Also, Matthew Quellas told me he thinks Clay Reed reasoning in a 90’s AA article for favoring the Q1 rates of progression are sound. Clay, if you are reading this—please chime in, and if possible offer us your AA written words in your AA article about the Q1 rate of progressions. Below is link for Trump’s Natal Q1 for Nov 6 election night, NY--11:00 PM But, this Q1 chart, imo, is only valid if Trump will be in NY with his family. My best guess is Trump will be in NY (Trump Tower) on election night.

If anyone see’s news before this election WHERE Trump will be on election night---please post!

Note: Trump’s Natal p. Venus is partile cnj his Natal Jupiter and will partile cnj his Q1 MC for Nov 7! If this Q1 chart is a valid Sidereal Astrology chart, there are tremendous betting value (+185) that Trump’s political party will hold majority in the House.

Trumps Q1 Natal (inside wheel) with Natal (outside wheel) for Nov 6th 11:00 PM: Note: Trump’s p. Venus partile cnj his Natal Jupiter partile cnj Q1 MC on Nov 7th.

https://imgur.com/a/y8hK25X

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Re: Two very interesting SMA Midterm Quotidians

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:32 am

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Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:30 am
I am somewhat perplexed that these 2 SMA Q charts for Nov 6 election Day reflect the same planetary angularity for Boston with the celebratory Parade today for Boston winning the World Series. This raises the betting (gambling) question in my mind: How would a Sidereal Astrologer bettor (gambler) define what these 2 Q charts are symbolizing for DC??? In Boston, we had a sporting contest—Boston wins, and in DC we have a political contest. So, HOW do we determine which political party will be celebrating (winning) the House majority based on these 2 Q charts???
I've wondered about this. One of the complicating factors is that charts for Washington, DC act at two separate levels: First, it acts like an "ego-hub" of the country overall. Also, it acts as a local indication for Washington, DC itself.

In the latter sense, one might theorize that good indications for DC always favor the incumbent in the sense that more people currently living there get to keep their jobs. (This would be more true in a presidential election year.) Conversely, adverse conditions for DC would theoretically mean that a big percentage of people living there lose their jobs. - But that's theory, and I can't say I've ever used that theory successfully or that it matches the actuality.
Jim, If memory is serving me this morning, I think you see in Trump’s charts benefic symbolism for Trump winning this Midterm election.
Trumps new SLR three days after the election results are in (Nov 10, felt probably Nov 9) has Jupiter rising. I've said he will feel really good, posiotive, optimistic beginning about three days after the election. This is either not connected to the election or suggests that critical outcomes will be delayed in a close contest. It is also a compromised optimism because Neptune is also angular, paran Jupiter, so it might be ordinary giddiness or unreasonable optimism.
Clay Reed, a recent new member to the forum made the observation that Trump’s p. Venus partile cnj Natal Jupiter and could be the reason Trump is beneficially protected.
I've been saying that in my monthly Trump Watch forecasts for about a year. (On your next point, though, I've really completely given up on Q1 having any validity. One might argue it theoretically, but it doesn't hold up observationally.)
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Re: Two very interesting SMA Midterm Quotidians

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:49 am

Steve, maybe you can check some PSSRs for us, comparing Mean and Apparent rate?

My my quickie mean-rate calculation, election night (I'm using November 7, 0:00 EDT, which is an hour after polls close on the West Coast), Trump has transiting Sun exactly conjunct SSR Jupiter, a little over a degree from square PSSR Asc in Washington. By this rate, it would be exact about Wednesday night, and within a degree much of Wednesday.

It might be worthwhile if you were to confirm this and give the contrasting timing for Apparent rate, and then for us to look at whether he has a happy day. (It's not a perfect test, because t Sun conjunct s Jupiter could produce a perfectly fine day anyway; and the New Moon late Wednesday morning falls within 1° of his SSR Jupiter.)
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Re: Two very interesting SMA Midterm Quotidians

Post by SteveS » Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:38 am

Jim wrote:
(On your next point, though, I've really completely given up on Q1 having any validity. One might argue it theoretically, but it doesn't hold up observationally.)
I understand Jim. And because of my respect for your observational expertise with Sidereal Astrology methodology, I will not bet 10% of my bank account on Trump's NQ1 chart for election night.

Here is another NQ1 for a right winger who is a huge mouth piece for a large right wing audience, Russ Limbaugh, residence--Palm Beach. Note his NQ1 Jupiter partile cnj his Natal Moon partile cnj NQ1 IC. Bradley taught us there is no better planetary combo than Moon-Jupiter for winning elections, and with Limbaugh huge ego, he probably thinks he is running for this election. :)

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Limbaugh,_Rush

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Re: Two very interesting SMA Midterm Quotidians

Post by SteveS » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:16 am

Jim wrote:
Steve, maybe you can check some PSSRs for us, comparing Mean and Apparent rate?
My my quickie mean-rate calculation, election night (I'm using November 7, 0:00 EDT, which is an hour after polls close on the West Coast), Trump has transiting Sun exactly conjunct SSR Jupiter, a little over a degree from square PSSR Asc in Washington. By this rate, it would be exact about Wednesday night, and within a degree much of Wednesday.
It might be worthwhile if you were to confirm this and give the contrasting timing for Apparent rate, and then for us to look at whether he has a happy day. (It's not a perfect test, because t Sun conjunct s Jupiter could produce a perfectly fine day anyway; and the New Moon late Wednesday morning falls within 1° of his SSR Jupiter.)
Here we go Jim:
Mean:
MC 07,43 Ari
UR 06,27 Ari
Ve 06,56 Can
Mo 23,57 Gem
t. Pluto 24,05 Sag
Asc 17,24 Can

Apparent:
MC 02,43 Ari
ASC 13,15 Can
Mars 13,26 Cap

Jim, for the Mean, I see an 'outstanding incident' angular Venus-Uranus partile 90! Using Bradley's guidelines for a non-malefic aspected Uranus, I see a very exciting benefic Venus-Uranus event for Trump for this Election.

For the Apparent, I see a malefic Mars partile cnj DSC!

Your opinions?

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Re: Two very interesting SMA Midterm Quotidians

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:20 am

My opinion is that we still don't have the level of confirmation I'd like to see about the PSSR in general. If it exists, then the mean has been behaving better than apparent in examples I've seen recently. I would still consider this experimental and unsure, but it does seem that if it continues then the day looks exciting for him.

I also am still intrigued by the angle hitting Jupiter a day later, though I'm relieved that it isn't so exact on election night itself.
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Re: Two very interesting SMA Midterm Quotidians

Post by SteveS » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:30 am

Jim wrote:
I would still consider this experimental and unsure, but it does seem that if it continues then the day looks exciting for him.
I understand, we will continue to experiment. :)

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