2020 Libsolar

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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:38 am

I agree. I don't think we know what question this chart is answering. But I think it's not directly answering the obvious question, which is "who wins the election?". (And I do think Trump + war = martial law, which means he'd suspend the election, but I don't know if that's what this chart might be showing. But it's also the Libsolar, not the Capsolar. )

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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:46 am

I had started, and never finished, a project of studying all Libsolars in election years in U.S. history. As far as I got, it described the unusual conditions around the election pretty well. I really should finish it so we have a larger picture of how that operates.

I think Steve might be right to think of it roughly in sports prediction terms. I don't think, for example, that we'll find one party or the other shown, but there are probably strong indicators for "current administration wins/loses." It may be as simple as, "Large numbers of people in Washington, DC keep vs. lose their jobs, leave town, etc."

Or it may be something altogether different.
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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:12 am

It might be useful to trim the full, lengthy breakdown of the chart with which I began this thread and identify the strongest factors - Class 1 angularities (with closest highlighted) and the closest aspects (with partile highlighted). Here's what we get:


Sun on WP 0°47'
Uranus on Asc 1°03'
Pluto on MC 1°07'
Mercury on Dsc 1°19'

Uranus-Pluto sq. 0°04' in mundo
Sun-Mars op. 0°09' in mundo
Mars-Jupiter sq. 0°31'
Sun-Saturn sq. 0°36'
Moon-Mercury conj. 0°42'
Sun-Jupiter sq. 0°58' in mundo
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Mercury-Uranus op. 1°25'
-- Me/Ur on Horizon 0°08'
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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by SteveS » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:30 pm

Jim wrote:
I do think it refers specifically to the election. (It's reminiscent of the 2016 Libsolar that looked like an all-out military attack on the country, which in fact happened - but only as a cyber attack.) I just don't think we know what question this is answering.
With me, I feel very strongly the 2020 Uranus-Pluto Libsolar is predicting the Dem Party winning the Prez and fair-good % they take the Senate, just as the Uranus-Pluto 2016 Libsolar foretold a major upset with Trump winning 2016. But what helps me a-lot reading the 2020 Libsolar is the astrology for Trump's AA chart (I think its still an AA rating) tells me very high % he loses the 2020 Prez election. This tells me one or two situations must occur with Vegas betting odds: 1: Either Trump will be a heavy betting favorite like Hillary was in 2016. Or, 2: The Dem Candidate will be a sizable betting underdog. We will just have to wait till election day to see the final betting odds before polls open. Also, not to be over-looked: This angular Uranus-Pluto 2020 Libsolar could be foretelling an unexpected stunning/shocking result in the Senate races. Of course my thinking is also swayed by my own personal research with sporting events where statistically I see very potent angular Uranus-Pluto symbolism with SMA charts and personal AA rated charts of sports figures calling major upsets according to Vegas betting lines. This tells me we need to pay more attention to highly-unlikely political outcomes just like the highly-unlikely situation for Trump winning the Prez in 2016. In my mind—if a non-politician like Trump could win 2016 Prez---why not the Dem's winning 60 seats in the Senate or at the very least a majority.

Question: If the Dem's take 2020 Prez and happen by a long shot to take 60 Senate seats, what politically happens then??? Would not this case fill the angular Uranus-Pluto symbolism in the 2020 Libsolar. I have Moon-Jupiter-Neptune in my next SSR as a main feature, and as you can tell I am really getting in a fun- speculative mode. :)

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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by SteveS » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:25 pm

I realize this may sound corny but I strongly believe we are seeing one of the 7 principles of Hermetic teachings in DC politics with the “Principle of Polarity” pertaining to the raging battles between Left and Right politics in DC. For example:

In the 2016 Libsolar we saw Mars cnj Pluto and the Left had an angered meltdown with Trump being elected. But, in the 2020 Libsolar we see Jupiter replace Mars with its cnj to Pluto. I see this Jupiter as the “Principle of Polarity” doing a balancing act with the Dem's taking control of DC in 2020 vs the Reps controlling DC until the Midterms. However, this 2020 Libsolar Jupiter may have something to do with the laws of the Constitution. Anyway, I see Jupiter balancing the Left with political 2020 election happiness; whereas, in 2016 most of the Dem voters (2 million more) met Trump's election with much anger (Mars), regardless of the true reasons.


Principle of Polarity
The Principle of Polarity embodies the idea that everything is dual, everything has two poles, and everything has its opposite.[9] All manifested things have two sides, two aspects, or two poles.[10] Everything "is" and "isn't" at the same time, all truths are but half truths and every truth is half false, there are two sides to everything, opposites are identical in nature yet different in degree, extremes meet, and all paradoxes may be reconciled.
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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by SteveS » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:04 am

The way I see things now, I am allowing good probability the Mercury-Uranus-Pluto Paran in the 2020 Libsolar is symbolizing Bernie Sanders being elected Prez. If so, this will utterly stun/shock the political Right. Depending on the psychology the right wing media will be feeding their listeners/ viewers about a possible Bernie Sanders for Prez before the election, will determine the unexpected Uranus/Pluto shock levels. Also the betting odds for this election with Senate election results will be an important determinant for the shock levels on many fronts. Of course if Bernie is not the Dem Nominee then my present speculative mind for this possibility in the future is flawed :) .

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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by SteveS » Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:52 am

Jim wrote from his Sidereal Mundane Astrology book:
Most often, Sun concentrates attention on a head of state, the government in general, or other
local ego-hubs of authority (e.g., “management”).
Jim, with 2020 Libsolar DC Sun partile cnj West Point and partile 90 Libsolar Saturn, doesn't this one aspect alone offer a higher probability Trump and other government authority officials will be voted out of office Nov 3 2020? I have a very important business meeting Monday with by best friend and a few of his business associates pertaining to Election 2020.

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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:53 am

I think that's the most likely outcome for the aspects you describe.

It could,, of course, be something quite different, such as a suppressive, dictatorial regime securing its permanent control of tue nation
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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by SteveS » Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:42 am

Jim wrote:
It could,, of course, be something quite different, such as a suppressive, dictatorial regime securing its permanent control of the nation.
:shock: I don't understand what you mean by your above statement. Can you explain further?

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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:07 am

Trump is on a path Hitler followed. Astrological patterns are consistent with militant fascism. Though i dont think it tue most likely outcome, it isn't at all impossible thst he would refuse to honor any election, would overtly use his newly expanded executive power to suspend elections, or in other ways seek to assert dictatorial powers with himself as one of rhe presidents for life he so admires.
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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:39 am

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:07 am
Trump is on a path Hitler followed.
This is one of the reasons many people are so paranoid over the right to keep and bear arms.

Of course, those are the very people most likely to try to keep Trump in office.

If he tries to pull something, the Secret Service will confine him to Mar-A-Lago, and the white house staff will pack for him and send his things along, just like they do for every outgoing president. It keeps former presidents from taking the Frederic Remington art home with them. (I'm pretty sure it's the only thing that does.)

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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:59 am

SteveS wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:52 am
Jim, with 2020 Libsolar DC Sun partile cnj West Point and partile 90 Libsolar Saturn, doesn't this one aspect alone offer a higher probability Trump and other government authority officials will be voted out of office Nov 3 2020? I have a very important business meeting Monday with by best friend and a few of his business associates pertaining to Election 2020.
To elaborate a bit more... there is SO much happening in this chart, with the 0°04' Uranus-Pluto square (each within 1°07' of angles) being the strongest. An afflicted Sun within 1° of WP is probably the other similarly strong factor - though its indications are mixed since it is opposite Mars 0°09', square Jupiter 0°58', an square a widely foreground Saturn 0°36'.

The simplest interpretation of this is that there is a fundamental overthrow of the existing situation and it bodes poorly for the current chief executive, with zealous opposition. But note that word "zealous." That 0°31' is passionate in many ways - no moderation in enthusiasm - but including enthusiastic pro-militarism of the strutting, goose-stepping variety. An alternative interpretation of this chart is an overthrow of the United States as we've known it and suppressive, elitist control. (Look at the Libsolar as if it were someone's natal chart and ask yourself what that person would be like.)

Here is a copy of the full breakout of the Libsolar.
Uranus on Asc 1°03'
-- Uranus-Pluto sq. 0°04' in mundo
Pluto on MC 1°07'
Mercury on Dsc 1°19'
-- Me/Ur on Horizon 0°08'
-- Mercury-Uranus op. 1°25'
-- Mercury-Pluto sq. 2°27'in mundo
Sun on WP 0°47'
Moon on Dsc 4°45'
-- Mo/Su on Horizon 0°58'
Jupiter on MC 5°44'
-- Jupiter-Pluto op. 3°13'
Mars on Asc 6°51'
-- Sun-Mars op. 0°09' in mundo
-- Sun-Jupiter sq. 0°58' in mundo
-- Mars-Jupiter sq. 0°31'
-- Sun-Pluto sq. 2°30'
-- Mars-Pluto 2°42'
Saturn on MC 6°58'
-- Sun-Saturn sq. 0°36'
-- Saturn-Pluto conj. 3°06'

Moon-Mercury conj. 0°42'
Moon-Uranus op. 2°07'
Moon-Saturn sq. 2°12' in mundo
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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by SteveS » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:57 am

IF Trump is a 7-9 to 1 favorite on election day 2020 with the betting odds; and, whoever the Dem Nominee shall be is a 4-5 to 1 underdog on election day with the betting odds, I predict the Uranus-Pluto Paran in the 2020 Libsolar will totally stun and shock :shock: DC with Trump losing the 2020 Prez Election. On Election day 2016, Hillary was a 9-1 favorite to be 2016 Prez and Trump was a +550 underdog to become Prez. The 2016 Libsolar also had a potent angular combo of Uranus-Pluto foretelling a major political upset with Trump being elected Prez.

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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by SteveS » Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:05 am

Because I now will have a possible $/client interest in the outcome of the Prez Election, I am paying more attention to the political news from both the left/right wing political media sources. A new observation this week: I am now seeing more from the Right wing political media sources feeding their listeners/viewers: There ain't no way Trump loses to the Dems in the 2020 Prez!!! In the 2016 Prez Election I saw the opposite with the Left wing political media sources feeding their listeners/viewers: There ain't no way Hillary loses to Trump!!! Also in 2016, I witness with the Right political media news---doubt among the Right Trump had much of a chance winning verses Hillary. This week I am now starting to see the opposite with some of the Left wing political media news sources express doubts the Dems will have a candidate to win vs Trump. This Hermetic Principle for the pendulum of cosmic natural law polarity swinging back and forth between these political polar opposites is becoming most interesting to my speculative/wagering mind analyzing the political news psychology of the Right/Left in 2016 and now 2020!

With Hillary a 9-1 favorite on election evening to win 2016 Prez, the potent angular Uranus-Pluto 2016 Libsolar timed the biggest upset in political history for Prez---Trump upset Hillary. And the Left was stunned/shocked (Uranus-Pluto) with this huge political upset. If I see Trump a 7/9 to 1 favorite to win Prez on election evening 2020, I will predict the Dem Nominee will upset Trump with a win for another huge Uranus-Pluto political upset, leaving this time around-- the Right stunned/shocked with the angular Uranus-Pluto Paran in the 2020 Libsolar. The more unlikely the Dem Nominee, the greater the shock value will be on the Right. Or, there could be more potent Uranus-Pluto shock value on the Right if the Dems gained majority of the Senate along with Dem Prez.

If Trump is only a small favorite to win 2020 Prez on election evening, I predict Trump wins 2020 Prez along with taking back the House and probably adding to their Senate majority. If this small favorite betting odds becomes actuality for Trump, this means to me IMO, the 2020 Libsolar Uranus-Pluto shock value will again be felt on the Left. This is highly unlikely IMO with the transiting malefic symbolism I see with Trump's Natal Chart; whereas in 2016 I saw great Sidereal Astrology Moon-Jupiter symbolism with Trump's 2016 SSR! We all need to endeavor to see the location where Trump's 2020 SSR sets-up.

But, one thing I do know with high probability: Since this 2020 potent Uranus-Pluto Libsolar is for DC-- ONE of the political parties will most likely be stunned/shocked with the 2020 Election results!

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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:47 am

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Because I now will have a possible $/client interest in the outcome of the Prez Election, I am paying more attention to the political news from both the left/right wing political media sources.
Do yourself a favor and don't ride the rollercoaster that is the news media till after Super Tuesday, March 3, when Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Democrats Abroad, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, and Virginia all hold their primaries. Super Tuesdays usually point to one or two candidates clearly. California, Colorado, North Carolina, Texas and Virginia are important states with a lot of electors in the Elector College. Minnesota and Utah are important this year too.

Eventually Florida will vote too, and with all the people who've come in from devastated and dumped Puerto Rico, it may go solidly blue. Another state to really watch.

I do not want to see Bernie go up against Trump in a debate. Trump has no respect, and no sense of when to stop. Bernie would be lucky to get a word in, and his strength is explaining things, while Trump's is interruption, taunting and talking over. People defer to Bernie and let him lecture and make his points. Trump would just eat him.

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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:04 am

Steve, with your current interests, you might want to read this interview with James Carville.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... s-carville

Carville knows more about winning elections than just about anyone. (To say he's candid and plainspoken is a euphemism.) He makes many points I've long made especially about HOW messaging should be approached, and he brings deep insider instincts and perspectives. He's hardly a last word, but I think the left in general needs to hear what he says.
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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by SteveS » Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:18 am

Jim, I love the James Carville link, I've read this article 3 times! He tells it like it is---things are {shagged}-up and the old establishment Dems like James knows it. James sees one of his life passions--the Dem Party being turned upside down. I can vividly remember in 2016 many members of the old establishment Reps Party (the Bush family) seeing their Party being turned upside down with the Rep voting public electing Trump as their most unlikely Nominee. And then look what happened—the unthinkable-- Trump upset Hillary for Prez. If Trump the most unlikely 2016 Rep candidate can be elected Prez by a voting populace, why not the most unlikely Dem Candidate Bernie be elected Prez by the voting populace?

I look to Sidereal Astrology for my truths and then put my speculative money where my Sidereal Astrology analytical mind/mouth is, right or wrong. All I know is: The Sidereal Mundane Astrology 2016 angular Uranus-Pluto Libsolar timed a most unlikely Prez candidate becoming Prez---Trump. Only if Bernie, the most unlikely candidate for Prez becomes the Dem Nominee, I think the voting public will nominate him for Prez, which IMO will have been foretold with another great political upset by the angular Uranus-Pluto in the 2020 Libsolar. Jim, you are the Sidereal Mundane Astrologer who taught me in the mundane world—angular Uranus-Pluto symbolizes 'stunning/shocking events, correct? We may not know for sure the specific Uranus-Pluto event the 2020 Libsolar will manifest in DC, but we know with high Sidereal Mundane Astrology probability it will have something to do with election 2020.

James Carville wrote:
I think the other side wants us to think there are no swing voters, that we’re doomed and it doesn’t even matter if you have a message because you can’t reach anyone. I think that’s {bs}. I think that’s a wholly incorrect view of American politics. But look, if no one’s persuadable, then let’s just have the revolution.
Jim/JSAD, with me being a non political activist, I am not sure what Carville (a passionate political activist) exactly means with “just having a revolution.” I do know Uranus-Pluto symbolism is par-excellent symbolism for “A Revolution” In what context is James talking about here with the word “Revolution???”

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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:17 am

He appears to be saying that if there are indeed no lrge mass of swing voters then defeating the current regime in an election is impossible and the country is on a permanent made dash into Hitleresque hell, so... the only alternative is to raise arms and overthrow the U.S. government by force.
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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:32 am

Overall, I do not see how the Trump administration can survive the Capsolar It's possible that the Capsolar symbolism only means that we had one quick impeachment trial at the start of the year,but it seems a much bigger deal than that - it has overwhelming and obvious symbolism for overthrowing the current executive leadership. It shows the "death" of the current regime.

The only other interpretation I can find i that it shows rigid, controlling, tyrannical leadership and the death of the United States as a whole. That's a real concern in some branching "don't assume anything is impossible where Uranus-Pluto is at play" reality.

Sun in mundane astrology represents the ego-center of the country (or smaller region). This broadly means the government, especially the executive power) and, within that, means the center of government itself - the chief executive. Pulling back from preconceptions, there is no way I can think of to distinguish the symbolism for the overthrow of the government and the overthrow of the president and his administration. The symbolism would be roughly the same. Only conventional wisdom (common sense) tells us that the overthrow of the current president in an election year is far more likely than the overthrow of the nation as a whole.

With the Libsolar, again, we have symbols of overthrow with great involvement of the Sun. The Uranus-Pluto mundane square within 0°04', about 1° from angles, is the strongest factor. The next strongest is the Sun-Mars-Jupiter foreground T-square - 6-7° from angles but orbs very close. There is uprising of the people - a Moon-Uranus opposition across horizon - and this could be by revolution or the voting booth. Notice, though, an aspect easy to miss in this, which is quite worrisome: Foreground Moon also squares Saturn, about 2° (and unique to Washington area, not the world overall). This does suggest something dire, something that puts the Moon-Uranus square in the worst possible light.

So yes, I'm worried.

And yes, if I were handicapping a major sports contest I'd absolutely say it will be flipped to the underdog. I'm with you completely on that. Unfortunately, we won't know who the underdog is until nearly the election. If these were the charts for the projected winner's home town, I'd definitely say they will lose despite noble and heroic playing. (Uranus-Pluto underdog, Sun-Mars-Jupiter close but less angular heroic playing, Moon-Uranus rapid turn-overs and being a bit out of control of the situation, Moon-Saturn deflating loss.)

But this isn't the Washington Nationals playing. It's the United States of America as a whole. That's the home team.
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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:39 am

The nation seems at war for the second and third quarters of the year. This surely is just the competitiveness of the campaigns. The ARISOLAR has an exalted Mars 1°33' from MC in Jupiter';s fall and Venus 0°31' above Asc in Taurus. Venus is minutely more powerful.

Together, they basically speak of everyone being intensely passionate, with divisiveness vs. bonding together being at the heart of it. Wars are started under Venus-Mars aspects and there will be plenty of attacks in the air - we don't need astrology to know that.

As the Cansolar is dormant, this Arisolar is the Quarter chart from mid-April to mid-October. Basically, we have this and the Capsolar to show us the year until two to three weeks before the election.

Meanwhile, Moon will closely aspect Pluto in every single week-by-week lunar ingress that occurs (just as it aspected Uranus throughout 20160.
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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:49 am

Moscow's Capsolar is dormant.

Moscow's CANSOLAR, therefore, becomes an unusually strong chart (Year Chart level) once it occurs in mid-July. It has Pluto exactly on WP, Saturn square MC. It's not an easy chart for them. It also has Sun and Jupiter on EP-WP, their midpoint 05' from WP. Exactly angular Saturn and Pluto plus Pl = Su/Ju mark the time for Russia, which I take to be bad for them but with no shortage power-politics and leveraging elite strength.

The Libsolar is dormant, so the Cansolar is the sole solar ingress influence on Russia for our election. It does bring a worldwide Moon-Mercury conjunction opposite Uranus, so cyber-intrusions and clever technology will be flying all over the place.
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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:01 am

The October 22 CAPLUNAR for Washington has the following breakout:

Jupiter on Dsc 0°05'
Mars sq. Asc 1°10'
Pluto on Dsc 2°14'
Moon & Saturn more widely foreground
-- Moon-Saturn conj. 0°47'
-- Moon-Pluto conj. 1°19' in mundo
-- Mars-Jupiter sq. 1°33'
-- Jupiter-Pluto conj. 2°09' in mundo
-- Saturn-Pluto conj. 3°14'
-- Moon-Jupiter conj. 3°29' in mundo

What in the world does this mean? Part of it is probably some sort of major economic swing for a month. It resembles our current Caplunar with Jupiter exactly angular but acutely loss-prone (almost devastating) Moon aspects. Stripping it down to its tighter features to reduce the "noise," we get:

Jupiter on Dsc 0°05'
Mars sq. Asc 1°10'
Pluto on Dsc 2°14'
-- Moon-Saturn conj. 0°47'
-- Moon-Pluto conj. 1°19' in mundo
-- Mars-Jupiter sq. 1°33'
-- Jupiter-Pluto conj. 2°09' in mundo

Still, an afflicted Jupiter exactly angular plus a partile foreground Moon-Saturn conjunction primarily speaks to economic flattening - enormous costs and sharp market drops - and the whole has an air of power-politics being flung about. It's very hard for me to read this far away. It does suggest that people's passions and enthusiasms are being magnificently flared up.


Then, an ARILUNAR occurs October 30. Here is its breakdown:

Uranus op. MC 0°23'
Sun sq. MC 0°52'
Moon & Mercury widely foreground
-- Sun-Uranus op. 1°01' in mundo
-- Moon-Mercury op. 2°37'
Moon-Saturn sq. 1°07'
Moon-Pluto sq. 2°22'

Mercury also squares Saturn (1°30') but, while they are both connected to Moon, Saturn is not foreground so I am skipping the aspect. I dread it because it's the "hanging chad" aspect of screwed up vote counts etc. I don't think that's a factor here.

I think this chart shows Trump's defeat. With exactly angular Sun means, as it did in November 2018, "It's all about the president." (Obviously, the outcome is "all about Trump" regardless.) The fact that so exact a Sun-Uranus opposition dominates the chart - is mostly the whole of the chart - is consistent with "change of leadership." - Lots of "change of leadership" events have had foreground Sun-Uranus aspects in the return charts, including two presidents' deaths, another's resignation, and dozens of others I've seen casually and not recorded.

Moon's aspects to Pluto all year and her return to aspect both Saturn and Pluto at the end means that this entire process is divisive, not unifying = at least for the present. Pluto will remain near 0°Capricorn for another year or two.


TRANSITS TO THE CAPSOLAR for Election Day include transiting Saturn conjunct Capsolar MC. This, alone,seems decisive for the outcome, the rejection by the nation of its leadership. (My one uncertainty in this is that Saturn on Election Day exactly squares my Neptune. I am likely to be in the depths of morbid moods that day, which does not speak well for the outcome. Then again, my personal mood )

The CapQ for election night has only ingress/progressed Mercury on an angle. However, the CanQ has more to say. An hour after the polls close on the West Coast (09:00 11/4 Eastern), it has :

26°09' Pisces - CanQ MC
26°28' Sagittarius - t Jupiter
26°57' Sagittarius - s Jupiter
27°41' Sagittarius - t Pluto

To me, this looks like regime change.
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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by SteveS » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:00 am

Jim wrote:
Overall, I do not see how the Trump administration can survive the Capsolar It's possible that the Capsolar symbolism only means that we had one quick impeachment trial at the start of the year,but it seems a much bigger deal than that - it has overwhelming and obvious symbolism for overthrowing the current executive leadership. It shows the "death" of the current regime.
I totally agree Jim. You and I may have different opinions on how this 'overthrow' may unfold, but thats OK. I think this 'overthrow' is going to take place through the natural election process. If I am right, there is nothing moderate about Uranus-Pluto in the Libsolar---its the opposite of moderate. This is why I think there will be no moderate on the Dem Ticket vs Trump Nov 8 2020; but, the Dems are still going to overthrow Trump, which will come as a stunning/shocking political event depending on the psychology of the betting odds and the media news at the time of Prez election.

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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by SteveS » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:58 am

As I have been predicting, only if Bernie Sanders is the Dem Nominee, there is high probability he will upset Trump for Prez in the the 2020 Election. This potential upset is symbolized with the Uranus-Pluto Paran in the 2020 Libsolar, no different as the the Uranus-Pluto Paran in the 2016 Libsolar foretold the great political upset when Trump upset Hillary for Prez in 2016.

There is a very interesting background clue in this 2020 Libsolar which is a strong indicator to me if Bernie is the Dem Nominee, he will be elected Prez. Venus partiles 180 Neptune. It has always been my belief Venus with Election Charts symbolizes the relationships of the voters for the candidates. Robert Hand says about Venus-Neptune combos:
...Love of people including those who take care of one or need to be taken care of.
Although Robert's above words was not written in the context of a political election, I interpret this Venus-Neptune tone in this Libsolar as symbolizing the hoards of young people in this country seeking much needed financial aid, falling in love with Bernie's promises to em he will solve their financial burdens. And I already know the rest of the Dems, even through they may not like Bernie, will pitch their support and votes to Bernie for their best chance to get rid of Trump.

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Re: 2020 Libsolar

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:48 am

I don't think any candidate can beat Trump without a Taurus-Scorpio or Cancer-Capricorn luminary. Of the top candidates, that means only Biden, Buttigieg, Bloomberg.

Bernie us a Leo-Pisces.
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