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Jupiter-Neptune aspects

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:02 am

I'm still not satisfied that I have the right angle on this year's Jupiter-Neptune square. I have it featured prominently in mid-year ingresses (besides the current high-visibility) and my gut doesn't think the standard boilerplate interpretation developed thus far is correct - or, at least, not complete.

I will start by compiling a list of Jupiter-Neptune conjunctions, oppositions, and squares for the last century or so. This can be a starting point on identifying stand-out events and cultural shifts occurring about the same time.

Opp Jan 7 1901
Sqr Mar 14 1904
Cnj May 22 1907
Sqr Oct 2 1910
Opp Jan 9 1914
Sqr Jul 7 1916
Sqr Sep 20 1916
Sqr Feb 27 1917
Cnj Sep 23 1919
Cnj Mar 8 1920
Cnj Apr 24 1920
Sqr Jan 29 1923
Sqr Apr 24 1923
Sqr Oct 7 1923
Opp Apr 17 1926
Opp Aug 2 1926
Opp Jan 2 1927
Sqr Jun 7 1929
Cnj Sep 18 1932
Sqr Jan 24 1936
Sqr Jul 26 1936
Sqr Sep 19 1936
Opp Apr 2 1939
Sqr May 28 1942
Cnj Sep 22 1945
Sqr Jan 21 1949
Opp Mar 21 1952
Sqr Sep 17 1954
Sqr Dec 23 1954
Sqr May 21 1955
Cnj Sep 24 1958
Sqr Jan 12 1962
Opp Jun 18 1964
Opp Dec 3 1964
Opp Feb 28 1965
Sqr Sep 6 1967
Sqr Apr 9 1968
Sqr Apr 19 1968
Cnj Feb 1 1971
Cnj May 22 1971
Cnj Sep 16 1971
Sqr Apr 19 1974
Sqr Oct 27 1974
Sqr Dec 1 1974
Opp Jun 8 1977
Sqr Sep 9 1980
Cnj Jan 19 1984
Sqr Apr 4 1987
Opp Oct 1 1989
Opp Nov 14 1989
Opp Jun 6 1990
Sqr Sep 17 1993
Cnj Jan 9 1997
Sqr Jul 21 1999
Sqr Oct 11 1999
Sqr Mar 16 2000
Opp Sep 11 2002
Opp Feb 16 2003
Opp Jun 2 2003
Sqr Jan 27 2006
Sqr Mar 16 2006
Sqr Sep 24 2006
Cnj May 27 2009
Cnj Jul 10 2009
Cnj Dec 21 2009
Sqr Jun 25 2012
Opp Sep 17 2015
Sqr Jan 13 2019
Sqr Jun 16 2019
Sqr Sep 21 2019
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Re: Jupiter-Neptune aspects

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:12 am

Additionally, there have only been nine times in U.S. history that a Capsolar has had a Jupiter-Neptune conjunction, opposition, or square within tight orbs. Jupiter has been foreground every time and Neptune all but once (sometimes closer, sometimes wider). Here are those 9 years and notes on whether Jupiter and Neptune were CLOSE (C) or WIDE (W) in their angularity. I have bolded the years where they were in aspect and both CLOSELY angular.

1783 Jupiter C, Neptune W
1792 Jupiter C, Neptune C
1796 Jupiter C, Neptune C

1824 Jupiter W, Neptune W
1850 Jupiter C
1875 Jupiter C, Neptune C
1882 Jupiter W, Neptune W
1898 Jupiter W, Neptune W
1914 Jupiter C, Neptune C
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Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:22 am

1792 Jupiter C, Neptune C
1796 Jupiter C, Neptune C
1875 Jupiter C, Neptune C
1914 Jupiter C, Neptune C
In 1792, Jupiter-Neptune in partile conjunction rose for the U.S. capital. The only other main figure in the Capsolar was a Moon-Pluto opposition. Mostly, the young U.S. government was busy get things going. (LOL, the first commonality with this year is that they were trying to get the government operating!) Looking for anything I can recognize as even vaguely compatible with Jupiter-Neptune symbolism, I see:
* The Coinage Act was passed April 2, establishing the U.S. Mint.
* Pres. Washington used the veto power for the first time (on a bill to apportion representatives among the states) April 5.
* The New York Stock Exchange was established by the Buttonwood Agreement May 17.
* Our friends the French started their own revolution, storming the king's palace, mobs slaughtering bishops and priests, abolishing the monarchy permanently 9/21, etc.
* Washington, DC is being built, the cornerstone of what will become the White House was laid 10/13.
* Pres. Washington is re-elected unanimously.

Some of these may have nothing to do with Jupiter-Neptune, except that all of them in the U.S. had to have something to do with Jupiter-Neptune.


In 1796, chart conditions were less pure, i.e., had other elements involved. Neptune rose closely, conjunct Mars about 3° further away. Venus-Jupiter are tightly conjoined on IC (conjunct Moon). Events of note include:
* U.S. and England both ratified the Jay Treaty, avoiding war by reaching agreements on trade and navigation. (As one consequence, U.S. took possession of Detroit.)
* The House demand the State Department provide it documents on the negotiation of the Jay Treaty. Pres. Washington refuses to comply because the Senate, not the House, has jurisdiction over treaties.
* Washington issues his Farewell Address 9/17, declining to run for a third term and warning against partisan politics and foreign entanglements.
* John Adams beat Thomas Jefferson in the presidential election.


In 1875, a Jupiter-Neptune opposition squared Ascendant, but was not the only factor. Saturn is on EP opposite Uranus on WP, and Sun, Mercury, and Pluto are more widely foreground (Mercury closest). It's read it primarily as a Jupiter-Neptune + Saturn-Uranus + Mercury chart. Events of note:
* Congress passed the Civil Rights Act 3/1, outlawing racial discrimination in public accommodations and jury duty.
* The first Roman Catholic cardinal was named in the U.S. (for NY).
* The first Kentucky Derby was held 5/17.
* What is probably the first inter-college football game was played 6/4 (Tufts vs. Harvard). - In general, a LOT of sports are being established, it seems to be catching fire.
* Brigham Young University is founded.
* American Indian Wars were flaring up on Indian Inspector report that hostile Indians are mobilizing against the U.S. under Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse.

Other than the gambling / sporting angle and a few odds and ends, I don't think I'm getting a big enough hit of purely Jupiter-Neptune matters from this. One more year to go.


In 1914, Jupiter-Neptune are opposed across the horizon, Nothing else is strong enough to displace its importance. Notable events include:
* Charlie Chaplin's film career takes off with several films. Other developments in the emerging film industry occur (e.g., name placement above titling).
* Lincoln Memorial construction begins.
* Ludlow Massacre (as one event in the Colorado mining strikes and battles called the Colorado Coalfield War).
* The Tampico Affair bursts open, a brief military excursion of U.S. forces into Mexico that began with U.S. seizing Veracruz & the breakdown of U.S.-Mexican diplomatic relations. - The Mexican Revolution occurs later in the year (I don't remember if they're connected).
* A lot of attention in/by U.S. about staying out of the World War, before and after Franz Ferdinand's murder 6/28.
* U.S. launches it first Super-Dreadnaught class battleship, the USS Nevada.
* NY Stock Exchange is closed 8/1 due to the breakout of war in Europe. It reopens 12/12.
* Panama Canal is opened for business. (This is U.S. territory in Panama.)
* Federal Trade Commission is established 9/26.
* Federal Reserve Bank opens 11/16, a year after its creation.
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Re: Jupiter-Neptune aspects

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:36 am

Now taking a quicker look at charts there the angularity is wider for one or both of them,
1783 Jupiter C, Neptune W
1824 Jupiter W, Neptune W
1882 Jupiter W, Neptune W
1898 Jupiter W, Neptune W
In 1783, the American Revolution is still underway, but not for long: On 2/4, Britain formally announced it would cease hostilities. Preliminary articles of peace are ratified by the American congress of the time, the Congress of the Confederation.
* Very celebrations & other adjustments around the end of the war.
* Peace of Paris formalizes the end of the war 9/3.
* By the end of the year, the army is disbanded, Washington resigned his commander-in-chief commission.

In 1824, some important events:
* U.S. War Department created the Bureau of Indian Affair 3/11.
* The most confused presidential election occurred None of the 4 candidates received a majority of electoral votes. Selection of the president was left to the House, which selected a president under the following Capsolar.


In 1882, important events included:
* Polygamy is made a felony under federal law 3/22.
* President Garfield's assassin is executed.
* Congress passed the 1882 Immigration Act, placing various costs and restrictions on immigrants.

Finally, in 1898,
* Spanish-American War begins after USS Maine explodes and sinks in Havana Harbor. War is declared 4/25 and is fought in the Caribbean and the Pacific (Guam, Philippines, annexation of Hawaii). By the time it ends 12/10, U.S. has acquired vast extra-continental territories.
* Trans-Mississippi Exposition World's Fair in Omaha.
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Re: Jupiter-Neptune aspects

Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:38 am

Those are the examples of the foreground Capsolar aspects. Now let's go back and see what events occurred immediately around the aspect itself. Here are exact dates of Jupiter-Neptune conjunctions. I won't an absolute boundary, but I'll mostly look at events a week or so either side of exact aspect, plus larger, ore far-reaching events perhaps as much as month out. I'll only include dates for which I find something that might be relevant.

May 22 1907. On 5/13, the 5th Congress of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party convened secretly in London.

Sep 23 1919. American Communist Party established 8/31. The Russian Civil War was underway. A deadly Florida Keys hurricane struck many areas around the Gulf of Mexico 9/10-15. On 9/21, a major steel strike began across the whole U.S. by metal workers trying to organize. Prohibition was enacted by the passage of the Volstead Act over the recently incapacitated Pres. Wilson's veto.

Mar 8 & Apr 20, 1920. The League of Nations of in the process of formation. The League of Women Voters was founded 2/14. Congress refused to ratify the Treaty of Versailles 2/19. Hitler presented his National Socialist Program to the German Workers' Party, which then renamed itself the Nazi Party 2/24. On 3/10, "the world's first peaceful establishment of a social democratic government" occurred in Sweden. Syria declared its independence 3/7. Much League of Nations organizational and definition work around the April conjunction.

Sep 18 1932. In response to a no-confidence vote, Hindenburg dissolved the Reichstag 9/12 and called for new elections. Soviet famine began in which millions starved to death due to forced collectivization. A Social Democratic prime minister was selected in Sweden 9/24.

Sep 22 1945. The War in the Pacific was resolving in the weeks leading up to this, with the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on August 6 & 9, Japanese surrender negotiations, final surrender 8/14 with signing ceremonies 9/2. The Viet Minh capture of Hanoi 8/30 broke France's hold. Seeds of the Cold War almost immediately sprout. Movement starts (in the midst of all of this) to partition Israel out of Palestine. Approaching the exact day, Typhoon Makurazaki 9/18 killed 3,746 people.

Sep 24 1958. Typhoo Ida kills 1,269 in Japan 9/27. On 9/28, most French voters endorse the constitution for the Fifth Republic.

Feb 1 1971. All in the Family debuts 1/12. On 1/19, 23 countries begin negotiation with OPEC to stabilize oil prices (signed 2/14). Rolls-Royce goes bankrupt 2/4, the same day NASDAQ is founded. Huge cluster of 50 tornadoes across Mississippi and Louisiana 2/20.

May 22 1971. A couple of high-profile hoaxes around this time, not much else.

Sep 16 1971. Louisiana Superdome construction began 8/11. Nixon ended Bretton Woods 8/15 for landmark economic impact. JFK Center for the Performing Arts inaugural performance 9/8. Disney World opens in Orlando 10/1.

Jan 9 1997. Largest strike in South Korean history began 12/26.

May 27 2009. North Korea announced 5/25 it had completed second successful nuclear test. Swine flue outbreak 6/11.

Dec 21 2009. Treaty of Lisbon, amending EU constitution, comes into force 12/1. James Cameron's Avatar premieres (went on to be highest grossing film ever). Devastating 7.0 Haiti earthquake killed ver 300,000 1/12 (started widespread humanitarian relief).
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Re: Jupiter-Neptune aspects

Post by Veronica » Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:24 pm

Ummmm......

Arnt you forgetting one very very important event that happened under the neptune/jupiter conjunction in 1971?

I for one am very interested in expanding your current definition of this aspect. I know that astrology says that neptune is concidered a malefic planet, but in my heart I feel it is just not really understood or appreciated. I always get an initial happy feeling in my gut when I see Neptune interacting in my chart.

I did so intersting research this past summer on the Hope Diamond and specifically on how blue diamonds are formed. My research started with some thought about Pluto, which does rule tradtional diamond, or shall I say.....severely restricted, bound and compressed carbon.

Blue diamonds are formed under the influence of the properties of water though, with carbon and an added element, which I found to be Jupiter ruled boron. (At least as I recall at this moment it was Jupiter who rules boron)

I believe that for me Jupiter and neptune bring to my character a rich vast and depth that allows me to move joyfully through horrible moments with the understanding that they are only moments, and evrn in horribly painful, confusing, and otherworldly moments, it is transient and just a drop in the vast sea that is my life.

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Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:10 pm

I don't think you should call yourself mundane, Veronica, in any sense of the word. :lol:

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Post by Veronica » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:27 pm

Rotflmao!!!

Thats a good one!!

Gosh I love you and your sharp wit!!
I Truely did not notice the forum section this was posted in.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:39 am

Moving on, here are the Jupiter-Neptune exact oppositions. FWIW, on first pass I see a great deal more volatility and political instability in this list than in the conjunctions.

Jan 7 1901. The first great Texas oil gusher occurred in Beaumont on 1/10.

Jan 9 1914. Pres. Wilson creates the Federal Reserve System as a central banking system 12/23. Ford Motor Company announced an eight-hour workday and a daily minimum wage 1/5.

Apr 17 1926. A lot of political destabilization, power plays, etc. were in force: A Greek dictator won the presidential election 4/4, an assassination attempt on Mussolini 4/7, Manchurian warlord Zhang Zuolin captured Beijing 4/17. These are quite different from the typical periods of this aspect, but might share something more subtle.

Aug 2 1926. Entertainment developments: Fox Film buys the Movietone sound system 7/23, Warner Bros. Vitaphone system premieres 8/5 (with John Barrymore's Don Juan), Rudolph Valentino died 8/23 causing mass grief worldwide. Meanwhile, further political ferocity as in April: A military coup in Portugal 7/9, the Cristero War in central Mexico (religion-based) flared 8/1, a Greek dictatorship was overthrown in a coup 8/22.

Jan 2 1927. Cristero War fully erupts in Mexico 1/1. Lithuanian coup 12/17. American peace keepers respond to Nicaraguan request for assistance in their civil war 12/23, setting up neutral zones. Dynastic change in Japan 12/26. Portugal military rebellion crushed 1/9. In entertainment, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences was created 1/11, Fritz Lang's Metropolis debuted 1/10, first sports commentary on radio 1/15.

Apr 2 1939. Spanish Civil War ends 4/1 with Republic forces' surrender; Franco had assumed power 3/28. The brief Slovak-Hungarian War (begun 3/23) ends 4/4 with Slovakia's surrender. Hitler ordered German military to start planning the invasion of Poland 4/3.

Mar 21 1952. Tornadoes ravage the lower Mississippi River Valley 3/21-22. US Senate ratifies a peace treaty with Japan 3/20. In entertainment, one I Love Lucy episode was the first TV show seen in 10 million homes.

Jun 18 1964. Martial law in Seoul 6/3 after 10,000 student demonstrators overpower the police. Senate forces end of debate on the Civil Rights Bill 6/10 after a 75-day filibuster (LBJ signed it into law 7/2, abolishing all racial segregation in the U.S.). Ken Kesey and his Merry Pranksters begin their cross-country tour "spreading the gospel of LSD" 6/17. On 6/21 three pivotal civil rights worker murders occurred in Mississippi.

Feb 28 1965. Malcolm X murdered 2/21. On 3/2, USAF begins Operation Rolling Thunder, a 3.5-year aerial bombardment of North Vietnam. On 3/8, 3,500 US Marines land in Da Nang as the first US ground combat troops in Vietnam. On 3/5. "Bloody Sunday" in the first Selma march (with the other two marches soon after, with several civil rights movement thresholds in the following weeks).

Jun 8 1977. Star Wars opens 5/25 (highest grossing film to date). Space Mountain opens at Disneyland 5/27. On 6/7, after a successful campaign by Anita Bryant, Miami-Dade County voters revoke their gay rights ordinance. The Supremes disband 6/12 after their final concert.

Oct 1 & Nov 14 1989. Nothing worth noting. There is political destabilization of various kinds that distantly echoes other themes already noted. The Loma Prieta earthquake 10/17 is an example of how entertainment sneaks into other news.

Jun 6 1990. Various post-Soviet events including Boris Yeltsin's 5/29 election as first elected president of the new Russian and a Bush-Gorbachev 4-day summit beginning 5/30. Lower Ohio Valley tornado outbreak 6/2 (88 tornadoes). Nickelodeon Studios opens. Sri Lankan Civil War (Tamil massacre) 6/11. Destruction of Berlin Wall by East Germany began 6/13 (Checkpoint Charlie is dismantled 6/22).

Sep 11 2002. Switzerland joined U.N. 9/10.

Feb 16 2003. Space Shuttle Columbia disaster 2/1. New Yugoslavia Republic permanently succeeds the old Yugoslavia 2/4. Massive worldwide anti-war protests 5/15 against U.S. planned invasion of Iraq. Belgium recognized same-sex marriage 1/30.

Jun 2 2003. Four countries agree to join EU 5/11, 5/17, 6/8, 6/14. Cloned deer and horse born 5/23 and 5/28.

Sep 17 2015. New early human species discovery announced 9/10. First observation of gravitational waves [Gravitational waves! = Ju-Ne!) 9/14, but not reported until 2/11/16. Deadly stampede during Hajj pilgrimage in Mecca kills 2,200 people 9/24. NASA announced discovery of water on Mars 9/28. [Why all these SCIENTIFIC WONDERS for this pass? Possibly because Neptune is in Aquarius? Unsure...]
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Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:20 pm

Finally, here are the Jupiter-Neptune squares.

Mar 14 1904. Joseph Smith announces the Second Manifesto of the Mormon church 4/6. Aleister Crowley received dispensation for his religion, Liber Legis, April 8-10. Various political conflicts involving the great powers.

Oct 2 1910. Vatican implements a compulsory oath against modernism for priests 9/1. Portuguese revolution 10/5, overthrowing the king.

Jul 7 1916. Arab Revolt against the Ottoman empire 6/10. 7/1-12 Jersey Shore shark attacks. 7/2 Russian forces defeat Ottoman Empire forces in Armenia. Lots of battles in this skirmish and that all over the place.

Sep 20 1916. Continuing battles and skirmishes connected to WW I.
Feb 27 1917. Zimmerman Affair erupts 2.24-3/1.

Apr 24 1923. Warner Bros. Pictures incorporated 4/4.

Oct 7 1923. Military coup in Spain 9/13, creates a dictatorship. (Similar government turn-over in Bavaria 9/26, several other power grabs within days.) NY newspaper printers strike 9/18-26. Britain officially created protectorates of Palestine and Transjordan 9/29. Walt Disney Company founded 10/16.

Jun 7 1929. On 6/7, the Lateran Treaty makes Vatican City a sovereign state. Most other historic news events in June involve treaties or other diplomacy. The first Academy Awards 5/16.

Jan 24 1936. King George V died 1/20. John Maynard Keyenes' General Theory is published in England. The Green Hornet first appears on radio and the Phantom in comics.

Jul 26 & Sep 19 1936. Spanish Civil War begins 7/17. 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin occurred this summer (began 8/1), between these two events, and was historic in several ways (e.g., Jesse Owens' win).

Jan 21 1949. Pres. Truman unveiled his Fair Deal domestic programs 1/5. The first Emmy Awards are presented 1/25. Death of a Salesman opens in NY 2/10.

Sep 17 1954. SEATO treaty is signed 9/6; the organization is officially formed 9/8. Lord of the Flies is published 9/17.

Dec 23 1954. On 11/23 the DJIA closes, for the first time, above its top just before the 1929 crash. 12/2 the US Senate condemned Sen. Joseph McCarthy for his "red scare" hearings.

May 21 1955. Warsaw Pact is signed for mutual defense among USSR & eastern block countries 5/14.

Jan 12 1962. Cuba & USSR sign a trade pact 1/9. Cuba is ejected from the Organization of American States 1/22 and the U.S. Cuban embargo announced 2/3.

Sep 6 1967. Brian Epstein died 8/27. Thurgood Marshall is confirmed as the first black Supreme Court justice 8/30.

Apr 9 & 19 1968. 3/19-23 Howard University students step up the level of student activism with a 5-day sit-in, seizing the administration building and more. Other colleges become the platform for more of this. 3/31 LBJ says he won't seek reelection. On 4/2, 2001: A Space Odyssey premieres. 4/3 MLK delivers his "Mountaintop" speech in Memphis. 4/4: MLK is murdered in Memphis. The civil rights movement erupts into nationwide riots. 4/11 LBJ sign the Civil Rights Act of 1968 (aka Fair Housing Act). 4/23-30 Columbia University protests. 4/29 Hair opens.

Apr 19 1974. Super Tornado Outbreak 4/3 was largest of its kind. 4/15 Patty Hearst is seen holding a gun alongside the SLA.

Oct 27 1974. Ali ko's Foreman to regain his title 10/30.

Dec 1 1974. A reunification summit of ECC leaders convenes in Paris 12/9.

Sep 9 1980. Carter vs. Reagan election months. First non-state trade union established in a Communist country (Poland) on 8/31.

Apr 4 1987. Iran-Contra scandal is in the news by March. AZT is approved for HIV treatment 3/20.

Sep 17 1993. On 913 the Oslo Accords were signed by Arafat & Rabin. Russia withdraws army from Poland 9/17, then free elections are held 9/19.

Jul 21 1999. Serbian conflict is underway with deaths in Kosovo 7/23. Quite a lot of misc. NASA news & other space related news.

Oct 11 1999. Senate rejects ratification of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty 10/13.

Mar 16 2000. NASDAQ reached all time high 3/10 then, a few days later, NASDAQ & S&P reached the peaks that where the start of the dot-com bust (ending a 17-year bull market).

Jan 27 2006. Stampede during the Hajj in Mina kills hundreds of pilgrims 1/12. Disney bought Pixar from Lucasfilm 1/25.

Mar 16 2006. Lots of NASA and space-related news through these 2006 passes. On 3/15 the UN General Assembly voting overwhelmingly to establish the UN Human Rights Council.

Jun 25 2012. CERN announces observation of a Higgs boson 7/4.
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Conclusions: Jupiter-Neptune themes

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:29 pm

(I will use this post as a "working space" to gradually build a gathering of conclusions I think we can draw. I start with things we already know.)

Compelling surreal, unreasoned optimism, often with more show than substance.

Events of powerful inspiration, faith, and idealism.

Belief-driven motivation and decision-making, fueling powerful opposing belief and bigotry.

Excess, over-abundance, immoderation, glut.

Also, a lot of events, hard to categorize, that represent political instability and rearrangement. This comes in so many forms that I think it is a different form of the same basic themes, especially of hope motivating people to make big moves + flamboyant negotiation and general drama. Among these are Hitler ordering the planning of the Poland invasion; U.S. first ground troops in Vietnam or sending troops to Nicaragua to protect U.S. interests; civil wars in Nicaragua, Sri Lanka, Spain; and diverse instances of conflict and turmoil between nations. Also a few scandals, such as the Zimmerman affair or Iran-Contra scandal.

Finance, Banking, Investment, Gambling:
NASDAQ founded.
Pres. Wilson creates the Federal Reserve System as a central banking system.
Nixon ended Bretton Woods for landmark economic impact.
John Maynard Keynes' General Theory is published in England.
The first great Texas oil gusher occurred.
Date when DJIA closed, for the first time, above its pre-crash 1929 top.
Date NASDAQ reached all time high: a few days later, NASDAQ & S&P reached the tops that were the start of the dot-com bust (ending a 17-year bull market).
23 countries negotiate with OPEC & get deal to stabilize oil prices.
Rolls-Royce goes bankrupt.

Socialism or Collectivism:
The 5th Congress of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party convened secretly in London.
American Communist Party established.
Soviet famine began 1932: millions starved to death due to forced collectivization. World's first peaceful establishment of a social democratic government" occurred in Sweden.
A Social Democratic prime minister was selected in Sweden.
A major steel strike began across the whole U.S. by metal workers trying to organize.
Ford Motor Company announced an eight-hour workday and a daily minimum wage.
First non-state trade union established in a Communist country (Poland), 1980.
The League of Women Voters was founded.
Largest strike in South Korean history 1997.
NY newspaper printers strike.
Massive worldwide anti-war protests 5/15 against U.S. planned invasion of Iraq.
(Compare to the teacher strikes in the U.S. in the 2019 square.)

Collectivism & Alliances of Countries:
The League of Nations of in the process of formation, much organizational and definition work.
SEATO treaty is signed 9/6; the organization is officially formed.
Warsaw Pact is signed for mutual defense among USSR & eastern block countries.
1974 reunification summit of ECC leaders convenes in Paris.
Treaty of Lisbon, amending EU constitution, comes into force.
Four countries agree to join EU in 2003.
Cuba is ejected from the Organization of American States. Cuban embargo announced

Diplomacy succeeded:
Cuba & USSR sign a trade pact.
French voters endorse the constitution for the Fifth Republic.
Japanese surrender negotiations & final surrender (WW II).
US Senate ratifies a peace treaty with Japan.
Jun 1929 numerous events involved treaties or other diplomacy.
Oslo Accords signed by Arafat & Rabin.

Diplomacy failed:
Congress refused to ratify the Treaty of Versailles.
Senate rejects ratification of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.

Overthrowing/removing leadership:
In response to a no-confidence vote, Hindenburg dissolved the Reichstag 9/12 and called for new elections.
Spanish Civil War ends with Republic forces' surrender; Franco assuming power.
Orderly dynastic change in Japan 1927.
Assassination attempt (failed) on Mussolini.
In 1926, military coup in Portugal & Greek dictatorship overthrown in a coup.
In 1927, Lithuanian coup.
1910 Portuguese revolution 10/5, overthrowing the king.
1923 military coup in Spain 9/13, creates a dictatorship.
LBJ says he won't seek reelection.

Humanitarian activities:
Devastating 7.0 Haiti earthquake killed over 300,000 1/12 (started widespread humanitarian relief).
UN General Assembly voting overwhelmingly to establish the UN Human Rights Council.
AZT is approved for HIV treatment.

Civil rights themes:
Martial law in Seoul after 10,000 student demonstrators overpower the police.
Senate forces end of debate on the Civil Rights Bill 6/10 after a 75-day filibuster. LBJ signed it into law 7/2, abolishing all racial segregation in the U.S.
The three Selma marches, beginning with "Bloody Sunday."
LBJ signs the Civil Rights Act of 1968 (aka Fair Housing Act).
Howard University students step up the level of student activism with a 5-day sit-in, seizing the administration building and more. Other colleges become the platform for more of this.
Columbia University protests.
Thurgood Marshall is confirmed as the first black Supreme Court justice.
MLK delivers his "Mountaintop" speech in Memphis.
Destruction of Berlin Wall by East Germany, Checkpoint Charlie dismantled 6/22.
Belgium recognized same-sex marriage.
US Senate condemned Sen. Joseph McCarthy for his "red scare" abuses.
MLK is murdered in Memphis. The civil rights movement erupts into nationwide riots. Malcolm X murdered. In 1964, three pivotal civil rights worker murders occurred in Mississippi.
After a successful campaign by Anita Bryant, Miami-Dade County voters revoke their gay rights ordinance.

Religious/spiritual themes:
Joseph Smith announces the Second Manifesto of the Mormon church.
Aleister Crowley received dispensation for his religion, Liber Legis..
Vatican implements a compulsory oath against modernism for priests.
The Lateran Treaty makes Vatican City a sovereign state.
Deadly stampede during Hajj pilgrimage in Mecca kills 2,200 people.
Stampede during the Hajj in Mina kills hundreds of pilgrims.
The Cristero War in central Mexico (religion-based) began.

Science thresholds:
First cloned deer and horse born.
First observation of gravitational waves.
New early human species discovery announced 2015.
NASA announced discovery of water on Mars.
CERN announces observation of a Higgs boson 7/4.
Many instances of NASA or space news in chunks around these aspects.

Weather Phenomena:
TORNADOES: Huge cluster of 50 tornadoes across Mississippi and Louisiana 1971. Tornadoes ravage the lower Mississippi River Valley 1952. Lower Ohio Valley tornado outbreak in 1990 (88 tornadoes). Super Tornado Outbreak 1974. largest of its kind.
HURRICANES: Deadly Florida Keys hurricane struck many areas around the Gulf. Typhoon Makurazaki killed 3,746 people. Typhoon Ida killed 1,269 in Japan.

Entertainment themes:
For events that are not fun, festive, or celebratory, it typically signals an entertainment-themed setting.
Warner Brothers Pictures incorporated. Walt Disney Company founded. Disney World opens in Orlando. Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences established. Nickelodeon Studios opens. Fox Film buys the Movietone sound system. Warner Brothers premier their Vitaphone system. Disney bought Pixar from Lucasfilm.
The first Academy Awards. The first Emmy Awards.
Openings of Death of a Salesman and Hair on Broadway.
Premier of Star Wars (highest grossing film to that time). Premier of James Cameron's Avatar (highest grossing film ever). Premier of Fritz Lang's Metropolis. 2001: A Space Odyssey premieres. Space Mountain opens at Disneyland.
All in the Family debuted. JFK Center for the Performing Arts inaugural performance.
An I Love Lucy episode was first TV show seen in 10 million homes.
Lord of the Flies first published. [Are Ju-Ne themes in this book?]
Rudolph Valentino dies causing mass worldwide grief. The Green Hornet first appears on radio and the Phantom in comics.
First sports commentary on radio.
(Loma Prieta earthquake bleeds sports/entertainment into other issues.)
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Conclusions: Jupiter-Neptune themes

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:00 am

My starting interpretation of Jupiter-Neptune aspects in mundane astrology was:
Events of powerful inspiration, faith, and idealism. Compelling surreal, unreasoned optimism, often with more show than substance. Belief-driven motivation and decision-making, fueling powerful opposing belief and bigotry. Excess, over-abundance, immoderation, glut. Entertainment themes (box office bonanzas, record-breaking movie attendance). For events that are not fun, festive, or celebratory, it typically signals an entertainment-themed setting.

Attempting to break this down to its most fundamental ideas:

I've previously summarized the Jupiter-Neptune principle as social idealism, faith & belief, unreasoning optimism. To say this differently, I continue to find myself reducing Jupiter-Neptune events to the two basic roots of unreasoned optimism and show business. Faith is just a synonym for "unreasoned optimism." (Notice I'm not saying unreasonable optimism, just unreasoned - it's based on something other than reason, which is pretty much the definition of faith.)

Social idealism and hope are expressions of the optimism. However, they start to touch on another theme I've uncovered in the above research: There is a strong theme of collectivism operating through Jupiter-Neptune. I think this is just a place where their principles overlap: Neptune is itself collective in the sense of our interconnectedness (arising from the womb experience: see Kid Gloves). Jupiter is fundamental social, oriented to community (a Jupiter basic that comes from the family or tribe sense). Overlap Jupiter and Neptune and you get social collectivism, a sureness that we are better off (and more likely to prosper) together than alone.

One might summarize Jupiter-Neptune aspects by saying they are quite non-Saturnian. Almost everything you can say about Jupiter-Neptune is contrary to the nature of Saturn. This communalism or collectivism - the sense that we will prosper better together - is the opposite of Saturn's commitment to immediate survival, especially for itself, with everyone needing to take care of themselves.

We see this in the examples above, especially with events that were formative of Soviet communism itself (an extreme form of this) and the formation and leveraging of labor unions. There is a recurring theme of socialism from mild to extreme forms, and quite a few labor strikes, along with other social bonding. Bonding together for humanitarian actions is another variation.

We see the same themes of community among nations. International leagues, communities, and "treaty organizations" are formed. International affiliation and alliance is in the news but not individual alliances so much as communities of nations. Therefore, we usually see diplomacy succeed: a Cuba-USSR trade pack, the Japanese surrender ending WW II, the Oslo Accords, and numerous other examples of diplomacy and treaties. There are, however, two stark examples of diplomats succeeding and then the U.S. Congress rejecting their results.

Civil rights themes are quite numerous, primarily in binding people together in community to stand for collective prospering and collective well-being over divisiveness. Among such events, we find the three Selma marches; the Civil Rights Act abolishing racial segregation; the Fair Housing Act; college student collective protests and other activism against the Vietnam War; Martin Luther King's "mountain top" speech, and then national protests days later after his murder; Thurgood Marshall's confirmation as the first black Supreme Court justice; and the final destruction of the Berlin Wall.

There is also the reaction stirred against these actions, such as the community resistance against the Selma marches, King's murder, other civil rights worker murders, the conservative activism that overthrew Miami's gay rights laws, and the mobilization of intensified police or military resistance (in America, South Korea, and other places) against student protests.

Another place the unreasoned optimism plays is in finance, where the aspect is well-known to be inflationary and fuel investment (gambling), even to the formation of unsustainable market gains. Market optimism might be a suitable summary phase. Upsurge periods in the stock market included the first time the DJIA closed above its pre-crash 1929 top and the market tops just before the dot-com bust. Jupiter-Neptune aspects have marked the creation of NASDAQ and the Federal Reserve (also showing a bias toward collectivism in banking), occasions to propel investment like the first great Texas oil gusher, Nixon's ending of Bretton Woods, and the publication of the economic theories of Keynes. I take this broadly as a favoring of speculation.

Another event category includes many cases of removal of leaders. Many events share this one characteristic, but are quite different in details. Some are the consequence of activism, of the collective opposing an individual (but not many). Some have scandal or something similar (but not many). I think the most common element is disillusionment, a direct result of the unreasoned optimism (since sometimes that optimism is ill-placed), and this might be the best commonality. These events ae as mild as no-confidence votes and as extreme as revolutions, coups, and assassination attempts (a lot of coups!). LBJ decided not to seek reelection when he knew he couldn't win. Jimmy Carter lost much of the nation's confidence over the Iran hostage crisis. There is usually a sense of failed leadership, but I think this is just the form that disillusionment takes.

Of course there are many examples of religious themed events. Joseph Smith announced the Second Manifesto of the Mormon church mere days before Aleister Crowley received the channeled dispensation for his religion. Various Vatican events are on the list, and events that occurred during religious pilgrimage. Several events around he beginning and furthering of the Cristero War in Mexico, which was a rebellion of Catholics over secular laws.

There is a space travel side theme. I think this is fantasy mixed with futurism but, broadly, it seems to have a life of its own. Besides some critical NASA events, the discovery of gravitational waves, and key breakthroughs in animal cloning, some of the great film successes under this aspect have been important sci-fi landmarks (Fritz Lang's Metropolis, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Star Wars, Avatar; even Space Mountain at Disneyland). There is more entertainment-themed events, but these are representative

Entertainment is a primary theme of its own, the "show business" root idea of Jupiter-Neptune I mentioned above - fantasy + theater. Many events that were primarily something else (e.g., fires, murders) occur in a theater or church setting when Jupiter-Neptune is present. Warner Brothers Pictures, Walt Disney Company, Disney World in Orlando, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences, and Nickelodeon all began under this aspect. Entertainment companies invested in major new film technology. The first Academy Awards and first Emmy Awards were held. Major Broadway and film productions launched, including many productions that, in their time, were the biggest financial successes ever.

Finally, there are weather themes. Jupiter-Neptune is the distinctive aspect of tornadoes, and the lists above identified several major tornado outbreaks. The existence of this aspect in space seems to indicate tornado proneness all by itself. There are a few instances of related phenomena (floods, even hurricanes) with Jupiter-Neptune prominence, but tornadoes are the main focus.
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My new Jupiter-Neptune interpretation

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:57 am

Here is my new Jupiter-Neptune standard paragraph in mundane astrology. I regret that it is so long (and yet still so compressed that it loses a lot of the shading above). I've tried to restructure it so that ideas build on each other, perhaps triggering information that isn't literally written here. - This thread will serve as a permanent record of the subtleties.

Jupiter-Neptune
Unreasoned optimism (faith). Social cohesiveness (favoring the collective, conviction that we thrive better together). Social idealism, inspiration, hope, common action (civil rights movements, labor strikes, socialism, humanitarian acts, communities of individuals or nations; diplomacy usually succeeds); may intensify polarized resistance (opposing belief & bigotry). Belief drives decisions (religious themes). Market optimism favoring speculation.
Disillusionment (misplaced optimism, no confidence votes, coups, failing leadership). Excess, immoderation, glut. Entertainment themes (box office bonanzas, record-breaking movie attendance, new entertainment companies or technologies). Often signals entertainment or religious setting for other events. (Common for tornadoes.)
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Re: Jupiter-Neptune aspects

Post by SteveS » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:51 am

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Re: Jupiter-Neptune aspects

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:58 pm

SteveS wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:51 am
:P
Steve, notice that - based on history - this year (especially now and in the summer) are exceptionally positive times for movies and movie delivery systems (theaters etc.) to flourish, specifically including the acquisition, launch, or unveiling of new technology in movies.
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Re: Jupiter-Neptune aspects

Post by SteveS » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:53 am

Jim, I was told my my colleague months ago, with the line-up of commercial movies to be releases in the Spring/Summer season of 2019, he expects record business. I will try to remember to report the end of year $ numbers, but I already know there is high % my colleague is dead-on about this record breaking $ business for the movie industry in 2019. :)

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