Neptune in Aquarius

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Neptune in Aquarius

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 10:10 pm

Dates for Neptune in Aquarius...

Apr 20 1514 to Jun 1 1514
Feb 3 1515 to Sep 7 1515
Dec 1 1515 to Apr 7 1528
Aug 20 1528 to Feb 7 1529

Apr 3 1679 to Jul 14 1679
Jan 31 1680 to Apr 3 1693
Sep 20 1693 to Feb 3 1694

Mar 20 1844 to Aug 5 1844
Jan 20 1845 to Mar 23 1858
Oct 14 1858 to Jan 20 1859

Mar 9 2009 to Aug 24 2009
Jan 10 2010 to May 20 2022
Aug 6 2022 to Mar 14 2023
Nov 10 2023 to Dec 31 2023
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Re: Neptune in Aquarius

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 10:11 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:Apr 20 1514 to Jun 1 1514
Feb 3 1515 to Sep 7 1515
Dec 1 1515 to Apr 7 1528
Aug 20 1528 to Feb 7 1529

Just a start in trying to discern patterns in these Neptune in Aquarius years, by looking at what actually happened...

In Christian Europe during these years, the mark of the times was obvious: It was the immediate lead-in to and eruption of the Reformation. Erasmus' double-barreled shotgun in 1514, Leo X's excessive papal indulgences immediately after, and the eruption of Martin Luther were the primary marks in Europe. From 1520-1529, Monks were actually burned alive by the Church for following Luther's teachings. The Reformation was kicked off in Scotland by 1528.

In Persia, though 1514 marked Iran's defeated at the Battle of Chaldiran, this didn't seem to characterize the whole time. I can't see that there was much activity in that part of the world.

Less than a score of years after Columbus landed in the New World, Europe was just starting to wake up to the discovery. Under Neptune in Capricorn, the slave trade had started in Brazil <sigh>, and Ponce de Leon was already over here. Then, Peter Martyr's account of Columbus' discovery was published in 1516.
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Re: Neptune in Aquarius

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 10:11 pm

AvshalomBinyamin wrote:A couple of items that seemed to really fit the window of the Neptune in Aquarius

1858 - October 13 and 15 were the last two Lincoln-Douglas debates. Lincoln lost the election afterward (Douglas would be sworn in on January, at the end of Neptune's time in Aquarius!)

1844 - March was when Joseph Smith tried to create a Mormon theocracy by starting the Council of Fifty on March 11. April 11 they select Smith as King. Smith was arrested for treason and murdered in June. This created the Succession crisis of 1844, and on August 8, a conference voted to make the Council of Twelve the leaders of the LDS church.

It doesn't really seem like a very good period for underdogs wishing to start revolutions. Lots of squashed rebellions.

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Re: Neptune in Aquarius

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We're about half-way through this. I need to go back and do some closer examination as we head into the second half. I'm posting to float this to near the top.

It has occurred to me that we may not be able to distinguish Neptune in Aquarius clearly until Uranus leaves Pisces. (Uranus in Pisces and Pluto in Sagittarius are sooooo obvious, but with the Uranus-Neptune mutual reception, I don't know whether themes that might be connected to Neptune in Aquarius are just variations of Uranus in Pisces.)
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Re: Neptune in Aquarius

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed May 10, 2017 10:12 pm

Av's "squashed rebellions" theme does seem to have some merit - especially after the last year's political races in this country. (However, the British might not think so, and a lot of people in mid-continent U.S.A. probably don't think so. But those weren't liberal rebellions.)

There does seem to be a sense of "squashing" with Neptune sign passages almost as if it were Saturn - but different. With Neptune we usually use words more like "diffusing, dissipating, atrophying, dissuasion," etc., and these distinctions are probably important; but the simple, gross observation is that things don't do too well with Neptune in their sign.

For example, I don't think for a moment that one's Neptune sign has to do with one's profession - it's too broad. And yet, curiously, in the mapping of Gauquelin data, both professions and character traits, some of the very strongest results numerically were the extreme (really extreme!) lows of artistic traits and the profession of artist for eminent professionals with Neptune in Libra, and seeming suppression of success in Virgo areas with Neptune in Virgo. These are semi-generational, not individual at all - and yet, the results were very large for the collective.

Looking back to past decades, Neptune in a sign certainly seems to hit the hot buttons as if it "aspected" the sign or its ruler. Neptune in Virgo was the post-WW II Cold War paranoia, McCarthyism, and more - just as if Neptune were transiting Mercury. McCarthyism was finally broken the year Neptune left Virgo and moved on into Libra.

I recently read a late-'60s Bradley piece characterizing Neptune in Libra as both "dawn of a new era" - something he thought major Libra transits always mark - and extreme polarization, too much A vs. B and not enough compromise and collaboration. He was playing up one side of Libra, but we could easily see this as suppression or erosion or distrusting of fundamental Libra traits of, oh, diplomacy and compromise. (That aside from the impact of psychedelics on the arts, giving an entirely new visual and musical panorama by the end of the transit.)

Neptune in Scorpio... what I most remember is paranoia, distrust of power, nuclear fears, suppressing presidential power concentrations post-Watergate, etc.

Neptune in Sagittarius - in retrospect I have a hard time distinguishing it from the Uranus-Neptune conjunction in that constellation. However, I just found a transcript of a rather excellent "What's ahead for the '80s" panel I was on in which I was talking mostly about themes of accelerated wealth inequity, politicization of religions and religious institutions, and increase class and institutional elitism.

Neptune in Capricorn is easy, although it seemed more to me at the time like Neptune colluding with Saturn than diffusing it. The keyword, though, was security, whether of the national type or in terms of computers or in terms of personal family survival. It was a time of intentionally intensified fear, fostered by governments as control. (Elaborate these two or three themes and you will see a great deal more.)

So, in Aquarius, logic would now suggest we think of this in something of the sense that Av' suggested. In past centuries, Neptune in Aquarius seems to have been the build-up to things like the Enlightenment because it is suppressive of true enlightenment. (I wouldn't have guessed it but for the record of history and, now, seeing this half century pattern in a different way than before.) It is a time that (amidst the ideological polarization and conflicts of Pluto in Sagittarius square Uranus in Pisces) has roused even socialistic-leaning liberalism, and has set the stage for future conflict, but has not fostered it. True universalism has not flourished, and yet remains the most important issue of our time IMHO. Ditto with futurism (e.g., a blind eye to climate matters and necessary social evolution). And it certainly has not been an era of dispassionate clarity.

And so forth.

Just thinking out loud to organize some thoughts.
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Re: Neptune in Aquarius

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:04 am

Erosion of universalism... This really does mark our time.

I also note that this period (essentially the start of the Obama administration through the present) has been --within the above ideas - the intense struggle (with inconceivable successes and ferocious backlash) of acceptance of what seemed extreme social outlier groups: gays, women (shocking half the race still fits that description), and now transsexuals.
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Re: Neptune in Aquarius

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:21 pm

Climate change denial. Feels like exactly right to me.

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Re: Neptune in Aquarius

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:30 pm

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:21 pm
Climate change denial. Feels like exactly right to me.
Sounds right. Anti-science in general.

Except that was going on all through Neptune in Capricorn, and I can't find similar, analogous things (obviously not exactly the same thing) in earlier Neptune in Aquarius passes.
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Post by Veronica » Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:44 pm

"the intense struggle (with inconceivable successes and ferocious backlash) of acceptance of what seemed extreme social outlier groups:"


I was very happy that the Organic produce movement has gained momentum. McDonalds and Taco Bell are closing stores.
the first Mcd' was a great little place to go in some small town, and it seemed like a great idea that should be everywhere, yet I know people who pride themselves for never eating one fry and sticking to thier homegrown carrots.

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Re: Neptune in Aquarius

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:15 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:30 pm
Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:21 pm
Climate change denial.
Except that was going on all through Neptune in Capricorn, and I can't find similar, analogous things (obviously not exactly the same thing) in earlier Neptune in Aquarius passes.
During Neptune in Capricorn, it wasn't a mainstream idea. It was treehuggers. Now it's mainstream, but reactionaries who will lose money if they have to change their ways have elected fools who will keep the regulations off them. It's sort of the reverse of Neptune in Capricorn, where trying to handle climate change was moving forward. Now it's moving backwards. Squashed rebellion, and erosion of universalism - we're fine who cares if Florida sinks.

Used to be crazies trying to save the climate. Now the crazies deny there's a problem or that we caused it and could fix it.

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Surveillance capitalism & behavioral futures market

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:09 am

Here' I think, is a clear mark of Neptune in Aquarius that has been in motion since 2009. It's one of the more insightful articles I've seen, and an example of things we've known and, yet, have perhaps been missing, based on the work of Soshana Zuboff.

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