mquellas wrote:I think it would be useful if you would give a little general information on two core parts of mundane planet in constellation interpretations:
1) What does Pluto represent in mundane astrology?
2) What does Sagittarius (or any other constellation) represent? Are you taking a constellational meaning from the Aries = First House basis, as most Tropical astrologers do? Or are you working from a different model?
Pluto in mundane astrology means pretty much what it means in natal astrology - just on a larger scope. As "the exception to every rule, that which is singled out from the norm," it represents that which beats the odds and blows away arbitrary expectation. It is eccentric, extreme, separating, disruptive, etc.
I see two primary characteristics of Pluto in mundane astrology contexts. One is simply its tendency to intensify - in combination with other planets, it draws out the extreme, intense, hyper-accentuated (I would also use the word "purified," hoping it doesn't confuse too much) side of what it aspects.
The other side is that it is revolutionary! It is radical, uproots, opens and closes doors on stages or eras.
As some of my remarks above probably already make clear, I was hoping for clues that the latter theme would be most visible in looking at Pluto in Sagittarius - that we would see uprisings against elitism, overthrow of imperialism, etc. I think that isn't likely to be the case though, going by history. It seems the "hyper-intensification" element has been more at play in the past.
As for what are Sagittarius themes - I suggest looking at the constellations section of this forum, but especially the Sun-in-Sagittarius section at http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=7#p23
to extract the main themes of the constellation Sagittarius. (No, it isn't a house-based model, you stinker. <g>)
Personally, I recall using the outer planet transits through the constellations (Sidereal/SZ) compared to through the Signs (Tropical/TZ) back in the early '70's when I made my zodiacal "switch". I was trying to determine if the different timing, SZ being of course much later than TZ, was more appropriate to changes in mass consciousness. As far as I was concerned, my results with this comparison was just another nail in the coffin for the TZ.
My experience also.
I don't think one needs more than the current passage of Neptune through Capricorn. Surely no key idea fits this better than "security foundation challenged," i.e.,
"insecurity." And from nearly the beginning of that passage, security
has been the primary theme of our lives - whether it is the constant fear-mongering from a White House that has ruled through terror for six years, or the computer industry where "security issues" (viruses etc.) have ballooned and become a main feature of computer use, or whatever - "security" as a theme (meaning, insecurity
as a reality) has become most people's day-to-day baseline.
It was certainly much easier for The Powers That Be to force aggressive militarism while Pluto stayed in Scorpio. It first left Scorpio for Sagittarius in the last days of December 2005, and I circulated a prediction that the whole framework of how the world looked would be changed by New Years. In fact, January 2006 marked the first huge cracks in the W. machine. It has been fascinating to watch how public opinion has adjusted as Pluto first settled into Sagittarius, then returned to Scorpio from July until late October (just before the mid-term elections, then came back to stay. (I correctly predicted the general trend of the 2006 elections solely on the fact that Pluto would go back into Sagittarius just before they occurred.)
I've been hoping for a multi-faceted ideological revolution as Uranus enters Pisces fully in 2010 and begins to square that Sagittarian Pluto. I don't know if I'll get my wish on that, but a boy hasta have a dream, eh?