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Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:06 am

Jim wrote:
Well, it seems pretty clear that no California, Oregon, or Washington team will win.
In which I absolutely agree with based on Sidereal Mundane Astrology for Super Bowl.
Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl
ARIZONA CARDINALS+2800
ATLANTA FALCONS+15000
BALTIMORE RAVENS+1200
BUFFALO BILLS+900
CAROLINA PANTHERS+6000
CHICAGO BEARS+15000
CINCINNATI BENGALS+12500
CLEVELAND BROWNS+1200
DALLAS COWBOYS+2500
DENVER BRONCOS+3300
DETROIT LIONS+30000
GREEN BAY PACKERS+1200
HOUSTON TEXANS+30000
INDIANAPOLIS COLTS+8000
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS+30000
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS+600
LAS VEGAS RAIDERS+3300
LOS ANGELES CHARGERS+2800
LOS ANGELES RAMS+800
MIAMI DOLPHINS+8000
MINNESOTA VIKINGS+4000
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS+6000
NEW ORLEANS SAINTS+2800
NEW YORK GIANTS+30000
NEW YORK JETS+30000
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES+10000
PITTSBURGH STEELERS+8000
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS+1600
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS+3300
TAMPA BAY BUCCANNEERS+600
TENNESSEE TITANS+2500
WASHINGTON FT+8000

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:40 am

So, the highest expectation of winning at this point are:
SteveS wrote:
Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:06 am
BUFFALO BILLS+900
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS+600
LOS ANGELES RAMS+800
TAMPA BAY BUCCANNEERS+600
We agree it won't be the Ram. Let the digging begin!
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:45 am

Exactly Jim.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:33 pm

Here are the NFL Teams who have made the Playoffs with the betting odds to win the 2022 Super Bowl.
Arizona Cardinals (Phoenix) +2200
Buffalo Bills (New York) +800
Cincinnati (Ohio) +2000
Dallas Cowboys +1000
Green Bay + 300 Aaron Rogers is QB with AA Birth Time (12/2/1983; 2:50 PM PST; Oroville, Ca.)
Kansas City (Missouri) +500
Las Vegas Raiders +4000
Los Angeles Rams +1000
New England Patriots (Foxboro) +1600 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania +6600
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania +7000
Tampa Bay (Florida) +800 Tom Brady AA Birth Time (4/3/1977; 11:48 AM PDT; San Mateo, Ca)
Tennessee Titians (Nashville) +850
San Francisco 49ers +2200
Super Bowl Feb 13 2022 app end of game 9:00 PM (Inglewood California)

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:41 am

Just started plowing through all the new Capsolars/CapQs (14 teams/cities) for these playoffs. Because of the two West Coast malefic CapQs this weekend, I will be betting on Dallas --3 vs San Francisco 1/16/2022 app end of game 6:30 PM CST. If I win this bet I will bet 50% of my winnings on Arizona Cardinals + 4 vs LA Rams 1/17/2022 app end of game 9:00 PM. As a highly speculative wager I am betting 50$ on Arizona to win Super Bowl at +2200. If Arizona wins vs Rams this Monday, I will explain with SMA why I made this Super Bowl wager.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:02 am

With the stack of SMA Charts for all the NFL Playoff Teams, I see very high probability that either Dallas or Arizona (Phoenix) makes it to the Super Bowl. Since both of these teams are from the NFC, they would have to play each other before the Super Bowl.

Therefore I am betting 50$ on Arizona to win Super Bowl at + 2200 to win 1,100$; and I am betting 50$ on Dallas to win Super Bowl at + 1000 to win 500$. This is a total risk of 100$ and if one of these teams makes it to the Super Bowl I will be locked in to win either 200$ or 500$ no matter who wins the Super Bowl.
I am making these two wagers on the benefic stuff I see in Arizona’s flow-through Cansolar with Mundo Venus partile conjunct Cansolar IC; and Dallas Capsolar with Mundo Venus partile Capsolar IC. I figure there will be at least a-lot of partying going on with these two teams trying to get to the Super Bowl, and may be symbolizing a Super Bowl win depending on their possible opponent’s symbolism in the Super Bowl.

This is damn exciting stuff for this recreational Sidereal Astrology gambler. I have forward this to my two friend/clients who are avid recreational gamblers but can afford to wager much more than my bank account can take, its all relative. :)

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:20 pm

Based on the 2022 Capsolars, I predict the AFC Champion Kansas City vs the NFC Champion Dallas to be playing for the Super Bowl. If not Dallas Arizona (Phoenix 2021 Cansolar).

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:13 am

If Kansas City does make it to Super Bowl as I have predicted---there is high probability they will lose.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:25 am

In a NFL play-off game Sunday 1/16/2022; app end of game 6:30 PM CST, Dallas Cowboys fans will be under a triple whammy of angular Venus. As long as I have been doing SMA charts for sports cities, I can’t ever recall seeing a triple whammy of any planet on the angles of SMA charts. Let’s see if this “partying” Venus brings a victory for the fans of the Dallas Cowboys.
1: Dallas Capsolar: Mundo Capsolar Venus 00,45 conjunct Capsolar IC
2: CapQ Venus 00,17 conjunct CapQ IC
3: t Venus partile conjunct CapQ IC during game.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:02 am

Oh, yeah - Dallas is on that line. I did single out that band of geographic longitude in my forecast for the new year through the Capsolar. It's the best longitude in the country.
A kinder tone is marked by Venus angular through the eastern Plains States, roughly at the longitude of Houston and from Houston northeast toward Minneapolis.
And yes, triple-plays by the planets are rare. I remember how excited I was in seeing the charts for the terrible Sumatra-Andaman earthquake.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:14 am

Yes Jim, we saw how 2021 Capsolar Jupiter on Capsolar DSC brought two Championships to Georgia (Athens & Atlanta) for college football and the World Series Champs Atlanta. Now I want to see if this 2022 IC Venus line will TIME Dallas (NFC) & Kansas City (AFC) into the Super Bowl. I have keyed a wager on Dallas today at -3, and if Dallas covers this point spread, I will be wagering the Bookie's $ for the rest of NFL play-off games in a can't lose situation; I am off to the races :) . If Dallas does not cover this point spread today, I will wrap-up my wagering for this football season.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:53 am

It's a significant pile-up. My only hesitancy is that Venus historically has pointedly not been a factor in Super Bowl wins, though this triple seems too good to ignore. I'll give a final opinion when we know the teams.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:06 am

I understand Jim.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:54 am

San Fran 49ers 23 Dallas 17. No winnings for me with this Super Bowl wagering season; therefore, no Bahama Vacation for me & wife :( . Of all the stacks of SMA charts I have analyzed for the 14 teams in this Super Bowl playoffs, I see no hard core angular Jupiter or Saturn symbolism for winning-losing symbolism for the Solar Ingress charts for the team's cities. But with my advanced aged mind I could have missed something :) . The only semi-hard core angular winning symbolism for 3 teams I saw was with partying Venus; and, 1 of the 3 teams with this prominent angular Venus symbolism was scratched yesterday with Dallas losing, a team I keyed on for my betting NFL playoff season and possible Bahama Vacation. The other two Venus teams are Kansas City and Arizona, Arizona playing tonight. If Kansas City or Arizona does not make it to the Super Bowl, this leaves, I think, only the CapQ’s for analysis on Super Bowl Day Feb 13.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:27 am

My profound sympathy to Gayle on her loss. I do love the land of Sidney Poitier, especially Nassau.

As for the game... I don't like to say I told you so, but, for the sake of Sidereal astrology's reputation, I feel I should say that both the statistics of Super Bowls and my note to you yesterday show Venus an irrelevant factor. I do think the approximate longitude of Dallas will be the happiest in the country sometime in the next 12 months, but not from winning this game.

When we know the two teams, I'll see what I can see,
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:03 pm

Jim, in order for me to get the best wagering odds, I am forced to place bets before a playoff season begins. If I wait until the Super Bowl most likely I will not have the right betting odds. This means I had to choose my betting teams last week based on Sidereal Mundane Astrology. I am sure you would have picked better teams for me to bet on last week with the 14 cities, but I knew how busy you were, so I didn’t ask, but you know I don’t need to ask. I had to pick my championship teams last week so I went with Dallas because of the rich Venus symbolism. I also picked Kansas City to make it to the Super Bowl because of its angular Venus symbolism on its Capsolar. If you can pick now the teams you think will make it to the Super Bowl, you need to do it now for the good betting odds; otherwise, if we wait until the two teams are know for the Super Bowl, most likely we will not have the right betting odds to win enough $ to make it to the Bahamas with low risk-high return odds 😊. Tomorrow I will give you the 8 teams left playing for the Super Bowl. If you clearly see either a losing or winning team with high % pick em now, otherwise, more than likely I want be betting when only two teams are left for Super Bowl because they will not be any high odds pay outs. I hope you understand where I am coming from. If not, i can give past examples with betting odds weeks before a Championship game and the betting odds on the week of the Championship game where you can clearly see the difference between a low risk/high reward wager. I realize you didn’t write your Super Bowl Report with this in mind, only with the two known teams playing for the Super Bowl, but if I can’t determine with good probability weeks before a championship game, most of the time right before the championship game, the betting odds will not be in the bettors favor.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:55 am

Here are the remaining 8 teams in the NFL playoffs for Super Bowl:

AFC:
Cincinatti vs Titans (Nashville) 1/22 app end of game 6:30 PM CST Titans favored by 3.5
Buffalo vs Kansas City 1/23 app end of game 10:00 PM EST KC favored by 2
NFC:
49ers vs Green Bay (Wisconsin) 1/22 app end of game 10:30 PM CST Green Bay by 5.5
LA Rams vs Tampa (Florida) 1/23 app end of game 6:00 PM EST Tampa -3

Championship AFC & NFC games 1/30

Jim, you want to take a look at these 8 teams and give me your analysis who makes it to Super Bowl on Feb 13? Outside of Kansas City partying Venus Capsolar I don't see much.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:15 am

SteveS wrote:
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Jim, you want to take a look at these 8 teams and give me your analysis who makes it to Super Bowl on Feb 13? Outside of Kansas City partying Venus Capsolar I don't see much.
I'd prefer to wait until we have the two final teams, on my principle of "don't pick a winner until you know who's playing;" but I may have time to do this.

This will take a lot of time. If my day stays free before I go into work late, I'll try to get it doine.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:20 pm

Going against my instincts not to call anything until we know the two teams playing - because it is in the contrast of their charts that we see the patterns - here is what I see for the last eight teams fof the Super Bowl itself. Notice that there are several clear indicators of losers (unless users end up playing each other, in which case I have to restructure to see which of those loses).

Year
Buffalo (Capsolar): Sun 0°28', Pluto 0°53' (Sun-Pluto 1°21') + Moon-Neptune 0°21' M
Cincinatti (Capsolar): Sun 0°22', Pluto 1°21', Su/Pl 0°30' + Moon-Neptune 1°33' M
Green Bay: (Capsolar & Cansolar both dormant)
Los Angeles (Capsolar): Moon 18', Mars 1°18', Neptune 1°26', Moon-Mars-Neptune &c.
Nashville (Capsolar): Sun 1°53', Pluto 3°33' (Sun-Pluto 1°21') + Moon-Neptune 2°25' M
Kansas City (Capsolar): Venus 1°12' + Moon-Neptune 1°47' M
San Francisco (Capsolar): Neptune 0°40', Mars 1°56', Moon 4°33', Moon-Mars-Neptune &c.
Tampa (Capsolar): Sun 0°50', Pluto 0°31' (Sun-Pluto 1°21')

Quarter
Buffalo: n/a
Cincinatti: n/a
Green Bay (Libsolar): Mercury 2°52'
Los Angeles: n/a
Nashville: n/a
Kansas City: n/a
San Francisco: n/a
Tampa: n/a

Daily: Quotidians
Buffalo (CapQ): Asc sq. t Saturn 1°05'
Cincinatti (CapQ): MC op. t Sun 0°54', Asc sq. t Saturn 1°39'
Green Bay (CapQ): Asc op. s Uranus 21', t Uranus 39', sq. s Mercury
Los Angeles: (none)
Nashville (CapQ): Asc sq. s Saturn 1°11'
Kansas City (CapQ): MC op. s Saturn 46'
San Francisco (CapQ): Asc sq. Venus-Mars [CanQ Asc sq. Jupiter 42']
Tampa (CapQ): MC op. t Sun 1°10'

Daily: Transits
Buffalo (Capsolar): t Moon sq. Asc, t Pluto sq. Asc
Cincinatti (Capsolar): t Moon on MC, t Pluto on IC
Green Bay (Capsolar): (none)
Los Angeles (Capsolar): t Neptune on WP-a [+ t Saturn on Cansolar MC]
Nashville (Capsolar): (none)
Kansas City (Capsolar): t Venus-Mars on IC
San Francisco (Capsolar): t Neptune on Dsc 30'
Tampa (Capsolar): t Pluto sq. s MC 1°04', t Mercury sq. MC 0°57'

CONCLUSIONS thus far:
Half the teams have clear LOSE indicators. If Buffalo, Cincinatti, Nashville, or Kansas City plays in the Super Bowl, they will lose UNLESS they play against one of the other lose-prone teams. If two of these four go to the Super Bowl, we need to calibrate to pick a winner.

Of the remaining, only San Francisco has a possible win indicator: The CapQ is indecisive so maybe the CanQ would have a voice with an angular Jupiter. However, this won't matter if SF doesn't get to the final game. If two of Green Bay, LA, SF, and Tampa goes plays, we have to reassess to see how the individual pairs of charts work.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:37 pm

SteveS wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:55 am
Cincinatti vs Titans (Nashville) 1/22 app end of game 6:30 PM CST Titans favored by 3.5
I'll do what I can in gaps...

Cincinnati has Uranus and Pluto indicators suggesting an upset, plus heroic Sun on CapQ IC. Nashville's not that far away, so the charts are similar, but the main Capsolar indicator is Sun (aspected by Pluto) rather than Pluto itself; more Pluto in the Q. - I read that as Cincinatti upsetting expectations. (Even more so if we layer in the Cansolar and CanQ for Nashville, but that's not a safe bet by itself. The simpler "upset" interpretation is cleaner.)
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

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SteveS wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:55 am
49ers vs Green Bay (Wisconsin) 1/22 app end of game 10:30 PM CST Green Bay by 5.5
Green Bay has dormant solar ingresses. CanQ pulling Mars is technically neutral but sometimes rough. Neptune transiting Cansolar MC. No clear slam-dunk win or lose, but the charts look lousy for how everybody feels.

SF, besides the rough (but not necessarily losing) West Coast Capsolar, has Mars on CapQ angles. But, since there isn't a clear win-lose from the CapQ, we check the CanQ which has Asc sq ingress Saturn. SF loses, but I suspect Green Bay won't make the spread (or, otherwise, has something disappoint them).
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

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SteveS wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:55 am
Buffalo vs Kansas City 1/23 app end of game 10:00 PM EST KC favored by 2
Buffalo has no indicators that would make me call the game either way, though Mars transiting Cansolar WP says they'll face heavy opposition.

KC has the Capsolar you like (I'm more inclined to trust Venus in a non-championship game, but it still may not be too important). In the absence of the CapQ saying anything, check the CanQ and get Neptune. At game's end, Moon will square Capsolar MC and Venus suggesting some brief surge of fan emotion. I don't see a clear indication of a winner, but with Buffalo getting beat up the worst for the day, I''d side with the handicappers and say KC probably wins.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

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SteveS wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:55 am
LA Rams vs Tampa (Florida) 1/23 app end of game 6:00 PM EST Tampa -3
Tampa has Uranus and Pluto indicators, always making us suspect many turnovers and ultimately going against the odds. The CapQ has heroic Sun.

LA has a lousy (but not necessarily losing) Capsolar. The CapQ is worthless to the cause but the CanQ is really interesting, having Jupiter and Venus both JUST OUTSIDE the usual orb. Will this have an effect anyway? I won't count on it, but I draw your attention to it.

This is a hard call. There are indications of reversing expectations, but nothing clear enough to count on that. Probably Tampa will win as expected (just the way the world usually works), but I'm not making a call on this.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

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SteveS wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:55 am
AFC:
Cincinatti vs Titans (Nashville) 1/22 app end of game 6:30 PM CST Titans favored by 3.5
Buffalo vs Kansas City 1/23 app end of game 10:00 PM EST KC favored by 2
All of these are hard to call but... if the above is right, this would be Cincinatti vs. KC.

Cincinnati has Sun on CapQ IC atop Capsolar Mercury - Heroism makes the headlines - square Uranus - whooboy, what a surprise, what excitement. The New Moon later than night on their Capsolar IC may be significant for attention received if not bacchanalian celebration.

KC doesn't have much going, but does have Mars transiting Cansolar Dsc.

By now, we have too many Ifs, Buts, and Maybes to even know if we're asking the right question but, if this happens to be the matchup that day, I think Cincinatti surprises everybody and wins.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

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Jim Eshelman wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:39 pm
NFC:
49ers vs Green Bay (Wisconsin) 1/22 app end of game 10:30 PM CST Green Bay by 5.5
LA Rams vs Tampa (Florida) 1/23 app end of game 6:00 PM EST Tampa -3
I called Green Bay over 49ers and didn't make any call on the other game. (Our Ifs, Butts, and Maybes are getting out of control.) Is there anything terrible for Green Bay this day?

Nothing clear. The Cansolar has a perpetual Neptune transit to MC. I think it depends on the other team.

If LA has survived this long, there is a dormant CapQ, then a CanQ with Jupiter exactly on IC and Venus square Asc. (Boy, wouldn't that surprise everyone!)

Green Bay better hope it's playing Tampa, therefore, since CapQ IC is on ingress Saturn with Uranus on Dsc. As the only Saturn "in the room," this prevails and hands the game to Green Bay.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

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Jim Eshelman wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:20 pm
CONCLUSIONS thus far:
Half the teams have clear LOSE indicators. If Buffalo, Cincinatti, Nashville, or Kansas City plays in the Super Bowl, they will lose UNLESS they play against one of the other lose-prone teams. If two of these four go to the Super Bowl, we need to calibrate to pick a winner.

Of the remaining, only San Francisco has a possible win indicator: The CapQ is indecisive so maybe the CanQ would have a voice with an angular Jupiter. However, this won't matter if SF doesn't get to the final game. If two of Green Bay, LA, SF, and Tampa goes plays, we have to reassess to see how the individual pairs of charts work.
Having gone deep down a winding rabbit hole, having no idea if the cascading calls, half-calls, or no calls are right, in the fictional universe I've been weaving Cincinnati plays either Green Bay or LA.

The call in the summary above is that if Cincinnati plays anyone but Buffalo, Nashville, or KC, Cincinatti loses.

I doubt anyone who really tracks these things is saying that Green Bay or LA will win this year, but, as the pins have been lining up, they're the only pins that haven't necessarily fallen.

Therefore, whoever wins the NFC is likely to win the Super Bowl.

I reserve the right to completely change my mind once we know who is actually playing the game.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:06 am

Thanks much for this analysis Jim. I realize why you think this is a deep "rabbit hole" but I know of betting methods for this SMA madness (rabbit hole) that allows very low risk $ to make locked-in profit $ with hedge betting. It is difficult to explain but I will give you one example: The 49ers were + 2200 to win the Super Bowl before this NFL Playoff began. I could have placed a 50 $ bet on the 49ers to win Super Bowl at + 2200 for a possible 1,100 $ win, and then placed a 50 $ bet on Dallas -3 vs the 49ers in their first game of the playoffs. Dallas lost this game so I would be net 50 $ down but still alive for a 1,100 win. Because I am still alive on the 49ers +2200 wager, I am now in super betting position to win $ no matter what happens to the 49ers in the rest of their games in this playoff. I have all kinds of betting options but it is most difficult to explain. I will be in a better position to explain in way for better understanding when the Super Bowl results are known. The only way I know to apply this type betting is by looking into the future and analyzing the cities non-dormant Capsolars along with their CapQs for two main game dates into the future, The AFC-NFC Champioship games and the Super Bowl. This was the same process which allowed me to make a 100 $ bet on Georgia to win the National College Champioship for a 650 $ profit, Athens Georgia had Capsolar Jupiter on Capsoalr DSC. This told me by looking at Vegas betting odds before the college season began, their was high probability this low risk/high reward wager would pay off, at the very least with hedge betting if I ran into a contradictory CapQ.

As another example for this type hedge betting to set-up profits with high %. In the 49ers game vs Dallas, I placed a 50 $ bet on Dallas at + 1000 to win Super Bowl, and then placed a 50 $ Money line bet on 49ere + 3 to 70 $. As the game turned out I won 20$ on this bet alone. But unfortunately I also had another larger bet on Dallas -3 because of all of the angular Venus symbolism on the Capsolar.

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Green Bay: (Capsolar & Cansolar both dormant)
Jim, this is an important question for me: Is Green Bay's Libsolar non-dormant, and if so, this would be Green Bay's flow-through Solar Ingress Chart, correct?

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

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Green Bay: (Capsolar & Cansolar both dormant)
Jim, this is an important question for me: Is Green Bay's Libsolar non-dormant, and if so, this would be Green Bay's flow-through Solar Ingress Chart, correct?
Correct. The Libsolar flows through and is not dormant. But it's no real use, since its one feature is Mercury on an angle. I covered that in the full Super Bowl breakdown post way back up here:
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:14 am

OK, I noted this two weeks ago, but wanted to ask you to make sure the Libsolar is the flow-through chart for Green Bay. And this is what I found/knew was most interesting to me: If Green Bay wins this weekend game vs SF, they will be playing in the NFC Champioship game Jan 30, which means to me the LibQ will be most important for Green Bay on Jan 30. Do you agree Jim?

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:46 am

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OK, I noted this two weeks ago, but wanted to ask you to make sure the Libsolar is the flow-through chart for Green Bay. And this is what I found/knew was most interesting to me: If Green Bay wins this weekend game vs SF, they will be playing in the NFC Champioship game Jan 30, which means to me the LibQ will be most important for Green Bay on Jan 30. Do you agree Jim?
No, that's not what the SMA statistics show.

I once thought maybe the lesser charts like the LibQ and AriQ had more power in their own quarter or in situations where they had flowed through. For some reason I got terribly excited about the idea - but it didn't pan out. If you look in the current version of SMA, in Chapter 33, beginning on page 971, you'll see one of the most interesting collections of statistics in a section called "Relative Strength of Ingress Quarters." There is SO much in these few pages - things Bradley figured out from stacks of paper and manual counting of a few dozen charts plus things he never was able to see because he simply didn't have enough data at one time. (I couldn't reliably do some of these counts until I hit the current high volume of examples.)

To walk you through it a bit...

In the first section called "The Four Solar Ingresses," read or skip the first few paragraphs (they show that only the Capsolar is, in general, a stand-alone ingress for the year but, when it's dormant, the Cansolar leaps into importance) - go down to where I show each solar ingress' accuracy scores broken out by quarter. This table confirms what casual observation disclosed: The Capsolar, as "chart of the year," stands out as significant in every quarter of the year, while all three of the others ONLY stand out in their own quarter: Barring dormancy, the other three ingresses are all three-month charts, not year charts.

Skip the section on lunar ingresses (they tell the same story) and go to the section on page 974 called "The Four Solar Ingress Quotidians." The first table shows that, overall, the CapQ is the only one that scores reliably by itself. At the bottom of page 975, the last paragraph is the key paragraph (I took out the actual table, since it wasted space, but summarized the results):
When quotidians are broken down by quarters of the year in which an event occurs, the CapQ performs above the viability threshold in all quarters and none of the other quotidians approaches that threshold in any quarter. There is no need to reproduce the 16 calculations. The Capsolar easily stands well above the other three, with little to distinguish the other three from each other.

In other words, regardless of the quarter and regardless of whether the Capsolar is dormant, the quotidians operate on their own: The CapQ is the one that consistently stands out. The CanQ stands out in those cases where the CapQ is dormant. (The CanQ also stands out in cases where transits to the Cansolar Moons or angles are the "bridge" aspects that set up the event in the first place without help from the Capsolar - If the Cansolar starts the process, it tends to finish it.)

If the CapQ has nothing to say, the LibQ and AriQ may also have similar new strength just like the CanQ (I'd need double the number of samples to know for sure); or, in any case, when both the CapQ and CanQ are dormant or non-committal, it opens the door to the LibQ and AriQ to find their own voice. When this happens, though, you can't go by what quarter you're in: In your example above, the AriQ is as likely to tell the story as the LibQ, even though the Arisolar doesn't otherwise have a role in the event.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:03 am

Let me think about your last post more, and get back with you for certain pointed questions. I find it very curious since Green Bay is clearly favored by Vegas to win Super Bowl, there is so much dormacy in the Stack of Ingress Charts.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:18 am

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Let me think about your last post more, and get back with you for certain pointed questions. I find it very curious since Green Bay is clearly favored by Vegas to win Super Bowl, there is so much dormacy in the Stack of Ingress Charts.
The key is: Dormancy isn't a bad thing.

I didn't realize Green Bay was favored when I predicted above, so that's interesting.

Remember that to win the game, all you have to do is NOT LOSE THE GAME. (Let the other team do the losing.) A team doesn't need ANYTHING on the angles to win: It only needs the other team to have one solitary Saturn in the right place. Many Super Bowls have been won with nothing significant on the angles of any of the main charts, just because they managed not to lose.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:36 am

Yes, I understand. We first want to see Saturn angular for a losing team, and then it doesn't matter about dormancy. I will get back with you later if Green Bay makes it to the NFC Championship game with their stack of charts.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:45 am

By astrology - ignoring anything otherwise known about the teams - it looks like it will be Green Bay or LA. I haven't been watching things, but from local feel I think it would surprise everyone if LA made it that far. The terrible West Coast Capsolar actually isn't all that important where winning the Super Bowl is concerned. (Its worst feature isn't the Mars or Neptune - which are mostly irrelevant - but the culminating Moon, which has a small statistical preference for losing just as Sun has a small advantage for winning.)

According to the charts, if Green Bay plays Tampa, its opponent has an angular Saturn and Green Bay wins; if Green Bay plays LA, its opponent has no Saturn and an angular Jupiter, so Green Bay probably loses.

Here's the stack for Green Bay for the Super Bowl from an earlier post:

Year
Green Bay: (Capsolar & Cansolar both dormant)

Quarter
Green Bay (Libsolar): Mercury 2°52'

Daily: Quotidians
Green Bay (CapQ): Asc op. s Uranus 21', t Uranus 39', sq. s Mercury

Daily: Transits
Green Bay (Capsolar): (none)
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:57 am

Jim wrote:
Daily: Quotidians
Green Bay (CapQ): Asc op. s Uranus 21', t Uranus 39', sq. s Mercury
I read this as an important Q chart for the fans of GB, particularily if GB is playing Kansas City for the Super Bowl.

Question: In a final championship game: If we see Saturn on a CapQ for a city; and, then see Jupiter on its Capsolar--do we lean toward the Jup/Capsolar as the best predictor. It makes common sense to me to lean toward the Capsolar simply because its the Master Chart of the Year (lasts the whole year) vs a Daily CapQ Chart as being only for the DAY. But, I understand this could be debated.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:11 am

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Question: In a final championship game: If we see Saturn on a CapQ for a city; and, then see Jupiter on its Capsolar--do we lean toward the Jup/Capsolar as the best predictor. It makes common sense to me to lean toward the Capsolar simply because its the Master Chart of the Year (lasts the whole year) vs a Daily CapQ Chart as being only for the DAY. But, I understand this could be debated.
I don't pile them all together. I compare Capsolar to Capsolar (and get a conclusion), CapQ to CapQ (and draw a separate conclusion), etc. - and then sort through the three or four separate conclusions. This filters out a lot of things that are affecting both of them together.

However, the general rule is: Look for the Saturn. If it's there, decide on that alone. Specifically, the Super Bowl statistics showed that Jupiter does not redeem Saturn. The Jupiter angularity statistics across the board were worthless - not significant. Only when I excluded cases with an angular Saturn did the Jupiter statistics show positively. If you have one of each, you lose. (Depending, of course, on what the other team has.)
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:14 am

As an example: You wanted a KC vs. GB comparison. I don't think it will be that - I think Cincinatti is most likely to win their shot. Nonetheless, here is how I would compare them:

Year
Green Bay: (Capsolar & Cansolar both dormant)
ADD: Green Bay (Libsolar): Mercury 2°52'
Kansas City (Capsolar): Venus 1°12' + Moon-Neptune 1°47' M
CONCLUSION: No conclusion. (Nothing here suggests win or lose.)

Daily: Quotidians
Green Bay (CapQ): Asc op. s Uranus 21', t Uranus 39', sq. s Mercury
Kansas City (CapQ): MC op. s Saturn 46'
CONCLUSION: Kansas City loses.

Daily: Transits
Green Bay (Capsolar): (none)
Nashville (Capsolar): (none)
CONCLUSION: No conclusion.

This one is open and shut. There's only one factor across all of these charts that matters at all: Kansas City has Saturn on a CapQ angle. KC would lose this game.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:19 am

Jim wrote:
I don't pile them all together. I compare Capsolar to Capsolar (and get a conclusion), CapQ to CapQ (and draw a separate conclusion), etc. - and then sort through the three or four separate conclusions. This filters out a lot of things that are affecting both of them together.
I think this is exactly what I did preseason for deciding on betting on Georgia to win National Championship. Georgia had Capsoalr Jupiter--Alabama had Capsolar Saturn. This discussion is good---it adds for me some of your inner thinking with Super Bowl Report.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:34 pm

SteveS wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:03 am
Let me think about your last post more, and get back with you for certain pointed questions. I find it very curious since Green Bay is clearly favored by Vegas to win Super Bowl, there is so much dormacy in the Stack of Ingress Charts.
Jim, I am going to wait until the week of Jan 30 game to ask you pointed questions. This will allow me to understand better where you are coming from on my other related question about Green Bay Solar Ingress Charts and Q charts. Sometimes I find it very difficult to clearly understand your detailed explanations, so I have to break things down into sections (different charts) before I can track your line of understanding with your research. By waiting to the week of Jan 30 for Jan 30 Championship games, I will be in a better position to ask you my pointed questions pertaining to Green Bay stack of charts. Thanks

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:48 pm

Jim wrote:
All of these are hard to call but... if the above is right, this would be Cincinatti vs. KC.
Cincinnati has Sun on CapQ IC atop Capsolar Mercury - Heroism makes the headlines - square Uranus - whooboy, what a surprise, what excitement. The New Moon later than night on their Capsolar IC may be significant for attention received if not bacchanalian celebration.
KC doesn't have much going, but does have Mars transiting Cansolar Dsc.
By now, we have too many Ifs, Buts, and Maybes to even know if we're asking the right question but, if this happens to be the matchup that day, I think Cincinatti surprises everybody and wins.
Now Jim--you have seen something important with SMA I can use with my style/knowledge for defensive betting. I will bet 117$ on the Titans at -3 to cover this point spread to win 90$; and then bet 100$ on Cincy at + 600 to win the AFC. Do you see what I am doing? If Cincy beats Titians i lose 117$ but am alive in their AFC Championship game to win 600$; but, I would bet 200$ on ML KC to win vs Cincy, and the worse I can do is break even on all of these bets--but I would win app net 383$ profit if Cincy won the AFC. Its a perfect hedge bet! Do you see what I am doing? Only if the Titans won by 1 or 2 points could I lose $ (217$), and the historical odds of this happening is very low.

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:15 pm

Great hedge. None of these are really strong factors (on that game), but I'm trying to read the tone of it. Cincy is a little positive, KC a little down, plus Cincy has a more direct spotlight on them. - I guess we'll see.
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:30 pm

Here are Vegas new betting odds after last weekend games to win NFC-AFC Chanpionshhip games and win the Super Bowl.

AFC Championship:
KC +175
Buffalo +230
Titans +260
Cincy +600
NFC Championship:
GB +140
Tampa +230
LA +350
49ers +450
Super Bowl:
GB +350
KC +400
Buffalo +500
Tampa +550
LA +750
Titans +800
49ers +1000
Cincy +1400
Becasue of Jim's very important SMA observation with Cincy which I wrote about in my last post, I will bet 100$ on Cincy +1400 to win Super Bowl, then hedge bet on whoever Cincy might be playing in the Super Bowl and be in a great hedge betting situation, the odds are very low I lose $, and if so, very little $, with good probability of winning 500$ + if Cincy makes Super Bowl and loses Super Bowl. This is what I call great entertainment for a 74 year old retire man no longer getting laid. :lol:

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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:36 pm

So the pros don't think Cincy has much of a chance. That would indeed raise a surprise (Uranus!) if they beat KC.

No matter how good the charts, it's always a risk to pick a low rated team over a high rated team since the people staking the odds tend to really know what they're doing. Nonetheless, I'll stick by the interpretation that KC has a hard time of it, Cincinatti surprises, stirs excitement, and gets extra spotlight... which looks like a team winning when they were expected to lose.

(Of course, it could also mean that they almost win - all the same interpretations would apply if they give KC a really hard time and almost take them out late in the 4th. The fans would still howl.)
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Re: Vegas odds to win 2022 Super Bowl

Post by SteveS » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:59 pm

Jim wrote:
No matter how good the charts, it's always a risk to pick a low rated team over a high rated team since the people staking the odds tend to really know what they're doing. Nonetheless, I'll stick by the interpretation that KC has a hard time of it, Cincinatti surprises, stirs excitement, and gets extra spotlight... which looks like a team winning when they were expected to lose.
Jim, only TIME knows which team is going to win and I know no better person than you to judge TIME with SMA--its your true Jupite-Uranus Art, IMHO. Are you beginning to see how combining my betting knowledge taught to me by a Pro with your Pro SMA knowledge gives the bettor a tremendous edge? Just think of it as enterainiment value like taking Marion out to dinner sharring a bottle of fine wine IF you happen to lose the low risk wager for a possible high reward $ gain. Its sheer entertainment as long as you only bet $ you can afford to lose--but what I want you to understand--there is a METHOD to this madness ("Rabbit Holes") where you can hedge bet with SMA and be protected against large loses, only good gains. I will carry us through this whole playoff process with betting on Cincy and all the betting possibilities for only gain with very little risk.

Here are my wagers involving your SMA observations on Cincy and I don't really care that much if your observations turn out wrong. Its like someone telling you of a good movie and you go to the movie and you don't think it was a good movie, but still it was done for entertainment.

My wagers: 117$ on Titans -3 to win 90$; 100$ on Cincy +600 to win 600$ if they win AFC; OPTIONAL: 100$ on Cincy to win at +1,400 to win 1,400 if they win Super Bowl. I will adjust and make hedge bets as Cincy plays each of their games in the playoffs to show you exactly how this METHOD of madness works with SMA.

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