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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by SteveS » Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:44 am

Veronica wrote:
The book is better.
Yes, most books which are turned into movies are always much better for story telling, but movies and the big screen allow the mind to be stimulated with more vivid visual images which stimulates neptunian imagination more, IMO.

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Its a very Neptunium concept in of itself.
Indeed! Walt Disney was born with Neptune as his most angular planet, and we can clearly see how with his Walt Disney Studios he created a world of Neptunian Movies for the Children/Adult Parents, many with their beginnings from children books. Imagination stimulates positive created thinking and can change our minds in so many positive ways.

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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by Veronica » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:06 am

Jim said earlier in the thread

"To be consistent with the root philosophy and historic approach of Sidereal astrology, midpoints have to be managed in an efficient way that doesn't leave the door open to finding anything and everything one might want in them - the application of discipline. "

Can you please clarify what you mean by that or maybe give some ideas/examples on how when or where to apply discipline.

It feels like what you are getting at is like a conversation an advocate of astrology has with someone who doesnt see the merits of astrology and generalizes the horoscope by saying things like....thats just common sence...everybody has that trait...its human condition.

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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:20 am

In astrology, one should always exercise discipline in the sense I meant, but let me give some examples.

First of all, something that is nearly always an example of total lack of discipline is the use of house rulers, which is the single best example of being able to "prove" more or less anything about someone in hindsight more or less all the time.

Another example would be using 300 asteroids in a chart, as I know some astrologers to do.

In what seems a less extreme example, placing priority on the closest and strongest aspects instead of giving equal weight to any aspect within any orb you think is reasonable, or giving priority to luminary sign placements and not thinking, say, the Saturn sign must be equally important.

Midpoints can get out of control. Using the Cosmobiological list of ten planets, two angles, and the Moon's nodes - 13 factors - produces 13 + 78 = 91 independent factors (planets and midpoints) which creates 90 x 90 = 8,100 possible combination. If one doesn't want to spiral down the drain of "prove anything you want on demand, find a way to see it in the chart anytime," rendering astrology worthless except as entertainment... you have to create narrow, disciplined rules for their use and follow those rules.
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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by Veronica » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:27 pm

Gotcha!
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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by SteveS » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:38 am

Since I have become very intrigued with Kamala Harris and her 3 angular Solar Arc hits during the 2020 election process, two involving her natal Full Moon, I want to probe further her natal chart with the systems of Cosmobiology. One of the main systems of Cosmobiology is examining the 'cosmic state' of the natal chart with planets and angles, through midpoint structures.

By reading Kamala's bio, she appears to be rapidly ascending in her chosen career as a politician, and now is running for President. Cosmobiologists consider one, if not the most important point in a horoscope, the MC. Looking at my past life, I know for a fact the most important event, by far, to occur in my life was when Solar Arc MC conjunct my natal Neptune, becoming an independent Theater owner. This Solar Arc event in my life was very benefic, and an astrologer would normally not consider a solar arc MC=Neptune to be benefic, but my entire career up to this point in my life was working in the commercial Theater Business, so we can see how Neptune in my natal chart was symbolizing the Theater Business for my life. What is the cosmic structure for my natal MC? I have two indirect midpoints squaring my natal MC: 1: Mo/As= MC (0,14); 2: Mo/Jup=MC (1,08). Never in my entire career working in the Theater Business did I consider it work, I considered it FUN. There is no doubt in my mind, the cosmic structure of my natal MC not only contributed to working career as FUN, but when my solar arc MC arc to my Natal Neptune, the most benefic event in my entire life occurred.

During the election process in 2020, Kamala receives a Solar Arc MC to her Natal Full Moon! What is the 'cosmic structure' of Kamala's natal MC? Kamala has only two midpoints involved with the cosmic structure of her natal MC: 1: Ma/Ur=MC (0,08); Ma/Pl=MC (0,58), and both of these midpoints are Direct Midpoints which the Cosmobiologists all agree are very potent midpoints. In the last few days before I became interested in Kamala's Natal Chart, I have read where many of her peers consider her to be the hardest working person in the entire Democratic Party! Kamala was not born into a privileged family. Reading Kamala's bio it is obvious she has attained her political party's status/success through much hard work. What does Ebertin say from his book of midpoints, 'Combination of Stellar Influences' with Kamala's two direct midpoints to her natal MC?

Ma/Pl=MC:
Unusual capabilities of advancement in life, self confidence, ambition...
Ma/Ur=MC:
...Extraordinary achievements...
We can certainly see the 'hard working energy' Kamala has spent on her rapidly rising political career with Mars being involved in her two direct midpoints with her natal MC. Not only is she hard working, she is smart. One must possess intelligence to become a lawyer. It is going to be very interesting to see if Kamala outsmarts and outworks her opponents to become the Democratic nominee. I will closely be following Vegas betting odds.

Another interesting aspect of Kamala's Natal is Saturn is the most angular planet, 4,55 cnj her MC, with Sun partile 120 Saturn and Moon partile 60 Saturn. I am guessing these two partile aspects involving her lights to Saturn has contributed to her overcoming many obstacles in her career through much hard work (Mars).

Kamala's Natal:
https://imgur.com/Tq7BYWb

Kamala's Bio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris

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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:54 am

Definitely Saturn to her luminaries is consistent with someone who is self-made and hard-working.

While on midpoints, those to her Asc also speak of the kind of drive you mention: Mo/Ma and Su/Ma are 03' and 07' from Asc for the recorded birth time. This theme you've identified runs through her midpoint trees in several ways, e.g., success from hard work and the ability to prosper in it from Ju = Ma/Sa.

Of interest to those investigating more recently discovered planets, Kamala Harris is a great example of Sedna - whatever Sedna might possibly mean! :) With Moon 3°24' Aries opposite Sun at 3°34' Libra, her Sedna is 4°55' Aries.
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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by SteveS » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:00 am

Jim wrote:
Definitely Saturn to her luminaries is consistent with someone who is self-made and hard-working.
While on midpoints, those to her Asc also speak of the kind of drive you mention: Mo/Ma and Su/Ma are 03' and 07' from Asc for the recorded birth time. This theme you've identified runs through her midpoint trees in several ways, e.g., success from hard work and the ability to prosper in it from Ju = Ma/Sa.
As usual--excellent observations Jim!

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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by SteveS » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:40 am

Here is an exemplary example for the teachings of Cosmobiology and the applications for Midpoints with a Natal Chart. By the time Tom Brady retires as a NFL quarterback he will be known as the most successful NFL quarterback in history.
Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr. is an American football quarterback for the New England Patriots of the National Football League. Brady has played in nine Super Bowls, winning six of them, the most of any player in NFL history.
AA rated birth time: Aug 3 1977, 11:48 AM, San Maleo, California. (Current Residence: Brookline, Massachusetts).

When we look at Tom's Natal Chart (below link), on the surface, there is not much which explains the tremendous success for his life as a NFL quarterback. But when we apply the teachings of Cosmobiology with Midpoints we see an exemplary example for his success by only looking at his two most important direct midpoints.

IMO, Robert Hand is a par-excellent teacher for the system of Cosmobiology. He states from his book Horoscope Symbols about midpoints:
I find that direct midpoints are as important as major aspects in influencing a Natal chart. If you use no other type midpoint, use these. Direct midpoints involving the Sun, Moon, Midheaven, or Ascendant are to be taken more seriously than other midpoints.
So, lets apply Hand's above words to Tom Brady's Natal chart. There are only two direct midpoint in Tom's Natal which involves a primary natal angle and that is Sun/Jupiter =MC, and Sun/Venus = MC, using the small 1.5 degree orbs taught by Cosmobiologists. So we see both of the benefics, Venus & Jupiter with Tom's Natal Sun wired into direct midpoints with his Natal MC. Ebertin says about the midpoint Sun/Jupiter = MC:
Aspiring health, wealth and possessions. A happy, harmonious and wealthy person. Good luck in one's own enterprises.


So, with the teachings of Cosmobiology with direct midpoints, we now see a perfect explanation for an astrological cause/reason for why Tom Brady will go down into the history books as the most successful NFL quarterback ever.

Tom Brady is an exceptional athlete and when we see athletes stand out/illuminated in exceptional manners-- what better astrological symbolism than Sun (illuminated) and Mars (athletes/physical effort) combined with Pluto (stunning/shocking/exceptional)? Tom was born with a direct midpoint of Mars/Pluto = Sun, and Ebertin says from his book 'Combination of Stellar Influences' about Mars/Pluto:
Principle: Superhuman power.
Psychological Correspondence: (+) The ability to demonstrate extraordinary force and vigor, great self-confidence, obsessive about work, great ambition.
Probable Manifestation: (+) Attainment of success through excessive effort.
An excellent example for a high profile public figure with an AA birth time the value for astrologers using the teachings for Cosmobiology.

Tom Brady's Natal Chart:
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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by SteveS » Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:30 pm

The effects of individual midpoints in a natal chart will be seen most clearly when they are set off by dynamic factors such as transits, solar arc directions, or progressions. Robert Hand
Since Midpoints are the foundation of Cosmobiology, I am going to do a detailed analysis for Trump's AA rated birth time on Election night Nov 3 2020 with Robert Hand's above words, starting with Transits. I will use the standard orb of 1,30 degrees taught by Ebertin's school of Cosmobiology using only aspects of 0,90,180. I will quote from Ebertin's book 'Combination of Stellar Influences' writing-out Ebertin's full astrological delineations for Trump's natal midpoints activated by transits on election night. This should offer us a superb predictive test for the value of Cosmobiology for a very important time period in Trump's life.

There are 18 Midpoints in Trump's Natal Chart which are activated by transits on election night Nov 3 2020, an abnormal high amount of midpoints activated on a given day for an important event such as an election for President. The first activation by transit listed in the following 18 midpoints activated by transit on election night is most striking.

1: Sun/Mars = t. Saturn; Ebertin says:
Obstructed manifestations of vitality, pessimism, weakness. Difficulties or obstacles in vocation or profession, defeat in a fight or contest.
Implementing the tenants of Cosmobiology, this one Saturn transit to Trump's Sun/Mars midpoint would indicate a very high probability Trump would be defeated on election night. But the above Sun/Mars midpoint in Trump's Natal encompasses much more weight than most other natal midpoints, because of two very important factors taught by the schools of Cosmobiology: 1: This midpoint involves a personal point, his Sun, and 2: This Sun/Mars midpoint is wired into a Direct midpoint with his natal Venus (Sun/Mars =Venus). Direct Midpoints in a Natal are super important according to Hand. On election night, I think this Venus would be representing Trump's relationship (Venus) to the voters. If so, with t. Saturn partile cnj his natal Venus wired into his Sun/Mars midpoint definitely does bold well for Trump winning this election.

If this one Saturn transit to Trump's Sun/Mars natal midpoint confirms Ebertin's above quoted delineation for Trump on election night, then the other 17 midpoints activated by transits should confirmations tones for Trump being defeated on election night.

To be continued:

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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by SteveS » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:41 am

continued from the post above.

Finishing Trump's 0,90,180 transits to his natal midpoints with delineations/tones from Ebertin book 'Combinations of Stellar Influences:

2: Natal Mercury/Pluto = t. Saturn:
A quarrelsome nature, a nagging nature, a negative character, irritability, skepticism. Nervous irritation through over work, the exposure to heavy and bitter attacks, separation.
3: Natal Moon/Pluto = t. Mars:
Great changes of mind, easy excitability, the inclinations to outbursts of anger, quarrels, injuries.
4: Natal Mars/Neptune =t. Neptune: (Double whammy of Mars-Neptune)
Moodiness, irritability, discontent, feelings of inferiority, the state of being unsatisfied.
*Cyril Fagan in his work recognized Mars-Neptune configurations as being associated with all types of torturous cycles.

5: Natal Mars/Uranus = t. Pluto:
Force, violent interventions, higher powers.
6: Natal Moon/Mars = t. Mercury:
Premature criticism, nervousness, easy irritability.
7: Natal Sun/Uranus = t. Moon:
Emotional excitability, impulsiveness, rashness.
*I am using an 11:00 PM time for knowing the results of election.

8: Natal Mars/Saturn = t. Sun:
Weak vitality, the inability to meet all demands or to master situations. Destructive energy.
9: Natal Venus/Mars = t. Sun:
Ebertin describes this as a love contact. But, I am guessing Venus in this planetary picture has something to do with the voters with Venus symbolizing relationships with the Nation. I am guessing this midpoint combo is Trump will meet with to much anger from the voting public to be re-elected.

10: Natal Uranus/Neptune = t. Sun:
Lack of vitality, lifelessness or impassiveness.


11: Natal Saturn/Asc = t. Sun:
A keen awareness of the lack in freedom of movement, difficult circumstances of living, suffering from conditions of the environment, the process of getting ill, the act of separation.
12: Natal Mercury/MC = t. Neptune:
Receptiveness to external stimuli and influences, disappointments.
13: Natal Neptune/Asc = t. Neptune:
An abuse of betrayal or confidence, falsehood, deceit, the experience of disappointment and disillusionment.
14: Natal Saturn/Node = t. Venus:
(Allowing Venus here to represent Trump's relationship (Venus) with the voting public.)
Difficulties, the inability to express one's feelings or emotions, a lack of adaptability, separation.
15: Natal Moon/Saturn = t. Venus:
Changes of mood, inhibitions with expressions, lack of self confidence, the capability to renounce, resignation, the inclination to stand alone, disappointments.
16: Natal Sun/Saturn = t. Venus:
Suppression of feelings, reserve, inhibitions, sickness.
17: Natal Uranus/Pluto = t. Mars:
Fanaticism, the mania of destruction, a state of precipitation, “the stage of bending or breaking”--injury, accident.
18: Natal/Pluto =t. Mars:
The misfortune to be placed in somebody else power.
This finishes Trump's transits to his Natal Midpoints on election night. Ebertin said when looking at a list of transits to one's natal midpoints, the majority of delineating tones from his midpoint book, “Combination of Stellar Influences” should generally offer the same psychological tones when planets transit natal midpoints. If you will go back and look at # 1 in this list of 18 as the lead transit to Trump's midpoint with Natal Sun/Mars = t. Saturn, and then note the other 17 transits to Trump's Natal Midpoints, you will notice a rarity---all 18 in this list offer malefic delineating tones for Trump on election night.

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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:21 pm

Steve, can you contrast these to the 2016 election, please? Did this technique show victory or loss at about 0:00 Eastern 11/9/2016?
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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by SteveS » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:56 am

Jim asked:
Steve, can you contrast these to the 2016 election, please? Did this technique show victory or loss at about 0:00 Eastern 11/9/2016?
Sure,Trump's partile transits to his Natal Midpoints on Election Night 2016; Midnight Nov 8th:

1: Natal ASC/MC= t. Jupiter
Ebertin from his book COSI says about this combo:
The optimist, success.


2: Natal Pluto/Node = t. Pluto

What Ebertin says about this combo is quite interesting. This is a long term partile transit with the slow movement of t. Pluto and would have generally applied to Trump's entire Campaign. Ebertin says:
The common destiny of a large mass of people. The urge to seek contacts or associations with many people. The wish to become a public figure or to exercise an influence upon other people. Unions or associations brought about by the particular circumstances of one's destiny. Crowds or large groups of people, mass meetings. The beginning of new associations which may may be important with regards to one's future.
Obviously, we see here Trump's voting public sweeping him into the office of President with the huge crowds he drew to his campaign rally's.

3: Natal Venus/MC = t. Venus. Ebertin says:
Individual relationships.


Obviously, with this double whammy of Venus representing Trump's relationships (Venus) with his voters, we see the benefic influence of t. Venus exciting his Natal Midpoint of Venus/MC.

4: Natal Uranus/Pluto = t. Pluto (Double whammy of Pluto, with Pluto symbolizing 'stunning/shocking events).
 Ebertin says about Uranus/Pluto:
Revolution, the collapse of the old order of things, the construction of the new.
We can see Trump harnessing the planetary energies of this planetary combo for his election asking his voters to rebel against the old order of the Republican Party and DC politics. And as a non-politician (outsider) sending a 'revolutionary' shock wave throughout the Country in both political parties with his win as Prez. Note: The 2016 Oct Libsolar preceding the 2016 Prez election featured a tight angular Uranus-Pluto Paran which now with hindsight, we can clearly see resonated as Ebertin's above quoted words for this 'revolutionary' election of Trump.

5: Natal Jupiter/Uranus = t. Sun.
Ebertin says about the “Principle” for Jupiter/Uranus:
Optimism, a lucky chance, blissful realization. (Ebertin labels Jupiter/Uranus as the “Thank you Lord” aspect.)
A most benefic transit to a very lucky Natal Midpoint of Jupiter/Uranus

6: Natal Jupiter/Neptune = t. Jupiter. (Double whammy of Jupiter) Ebertin says about Jupiter/Neptune as positive psychological manifestations:
An abundance or richness of feeling or emotional expression...
7: Natal Jupiter/Pluto = t. Saturn
Ebertin says about the “Principle” of Jupiter/Pluto:
Desire for power (plutocracy), ...attainment of leadership
but = t. Saturn:
...Difficulties...


8: Natal Neptune/Pluto = t. Neptune (Double whammy of Neptune). Ebertin says about the “Principle” of Neptune/Pluto:
The Supernatural
Note 3 Jupiter themes and 1 Venus theme for the above list of 8, which is quite a contrast from Trump winning symbolism for 2016 Prez-- to all the 18 list for malefic losing symbolism in 2020 for Prez.

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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:10 am

Thanks. That's quite a contrast!
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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by SteveS » Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:45 am

Jim wrote:
That's quite a contrast!
Indeed!

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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by SteveS » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:40 am

In Ebertin's School of Cosmobiology, he considers the technique of Solar Arc Directions as “co-determinants of fate” for a native's life. And, when a 0,90,180 Solar Arc directed natal angle aspects a natal planet and/or a natal midpoint, major “life developments” are timed in one's life pertaining to one's immediate environment.

I find it most interesting Trump's Solar Arc Ascendant is at 16,03 Lib exactly 90 his Natal Pluto at 16,03 Cancer! Ebertin associates Pluto pertaining to “Sociological Correspondence” with ...'politicians.' Many authors on astrology have seen where Pluto represents power and on its dark side—an abuse of power with politicians.

How is Trump's Natal Pluto structured in his AA rated Natal Chart? There is a most important natal Direct Midpoint of Mars/Saturn = Pluto, and we see Trump under the Dem's shadow of impeachment for a reason of abuse of power. A direct natal midpoint is considered by most cosmobiologists as the most potent of all natal midpoints. Ebertin says about Mars/Saturn = Pluto:
In some charts it has been found that a combination such as Mars/Saturn =Pluto has related to some kind of suffering only if the native was in a position and an environment and conditions which made such serious consequences possible.
This Mars/Saturn = Pluto direct midpoint with solar arc Ascendant (90), basically will be partile up to the 2020 Prez Election. Later, I will post all of Trump's Solar Arc directions involving his natal angles on election day Nov 3 2020. IMO, it is this Mars/Saturn =Pluto direct midpoint =Solar Arc Asc (90), which is the main astrological factor timing this impeachment shadow. Trump soon has transiting Jupiter coming back on his natal full moon which may time some relief, but this Mars/Saturn = Pluto = Solar Arc Asc (90) will extend partile for many more months.

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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by SteveS » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:26 am

Jim, in Elenora Kimmel book, 'Fundamentals of Cosmobiology' (Introduction) she writes:
The use of Cosmobiology began in Germany, and quickly spread throughout Europe. However the same factors that have always kept new astrological developments from reaching our shores were at work again, and prevented Cosmobiology from being introduced here (U.S.) until Jan 1970.
:?: : Do you know who/what these 'same factors' were and were these same factors behind trying to suppress Cyril Fagan's Sidereal Astrology work in U.S.?

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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:11 am

I'm not sure what Eleanora meant, but I imagine they were substantially the same inertia against a certain kind of innovation. Plus, there was a serious impediment of the German language of all the materials.
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Re: Cosmobiology

Post by SteveS » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:22 am

Jim wrote:
I'm not sure what Eleanora meant, but I imagine they were substantially the same inertia against a certain kind of innovation.
Makes sense Jim, I think you are right.

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