In relocation astrology, is having your ascendant ruled by venus the same as living under the Venus/AS line?

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In relocation astrology, is having your ascendant ruled by venus the same as living under the Venus/AS line?

Post by rcooke13 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:57 pm

If I for example, moved somewhere and my ascendant relocates to Libra, would that be similar to living under the venus/AS line even though I'm not actually living under a Venus/AS line? Would having my ascendant ruled by venus in that location be similar to that though?

Astro.com thinks so, but I wanted to see if they are accurate about that or not.

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Post by Parto » Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:16 pm

Ascendant sign is of minimal importance even in the natal.

What you want is the actual planet angular for the location. There's no substitute.

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Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:11 pm

Astro.com is not a Sidereal site. Use it for the calculations, not the delineations.
The "ruler of the ascendant" comes from horary (spit). That's casting lots (fortunetelling), not astrology.

Location astrology is mundane. All there are are planets and angles. Look at Jim's mundane charts. viewtopic.php?f=46&t=4553 scroll down to the Arisolar chart.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:31 pm

rcooke13 wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:57 pm
If I for example, moved somewhere and my ascendant relocates to Libra, would that be similar to living under the venus/AS line even though I'm not actually living under a Venus/AS line? Would having my ascendant ruled by venus in that location be similar to that though?
I have no evidence that signs on relocated angles are meaningful.
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Post by rcooke13 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:59 am

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:11 pm
Astro.com is not a Sidereal site. Use it for the calculations, not the delineations.
The "ruler of the ascendant" comes from horary (spit). That's casting lots (fortunetelling), not astrology.

Location astrology is mundane. All there are are planets and angles. Look at Jim's mundane charts. viewtopic.php?f=46&t=4553 scroll down to the Arisolar chart.
Do you believe in astrocartography though? The lines.

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:10 am

rcooke13 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:59 am
Do you believe in astrocartography though? The lines.
Yes. (Though it's not matter of belief but of evidence.) Where on Earth each planet crossed MC, IC, Asc, and Dsc is enormously important.

In fact, Sidereal astrologers created this. Cyril Fagan first suggested the approach. Gary Duncan created the computer means to calculate the maps during the 1960s (and provided such maps of New Moons and Full Moons to Llewellyn's astrology yearbook for years). Jim Lewis, who worked alongside Donald Bradley at American Astrology Magazine, then went fully commercial with the idea and coined the product name Astro*Carto*Graphy.

Our confidence in this does not include trines and sextiles to the angles. Angle don't form aspects. (The "square" aspects are valid because these are really other anglrs: square to Asc are the Zenith and Nadir, squares to MC are the Eastpoint and Westpoint.)

You can see sample maps we use for mundane astrology here:
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Re: In relocation astrology, is having your ascendant ruled by venus the same as living under the Venus/AS line?

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:29 am

rcooke13 wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:59 am
Do you believe in astrocartography though? The lines.
The lines are the same no matter what zodiac (or house system) you use. It's not something you have to "believe in." It's something you can observe and prove.

Mundane astrology, location astrology and astrocartography are all mundane, meaning "of the Earth". There are no house systems. There are no zodiacs to refer to.
I think you'd find learning about the angles helpful. What is the ascendant? What's the east point and how do they differ? What's the MC? What's the Zenith? You know how the zodiac is tipped about 231/2° from the rest of the geographical/celestial grid? Why we have seasons, right? You can find that stuff out with Wikipedia. It's astronomy.

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Post by rcooke13 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:59 pm

Are the crossings considered valid too? Is there physical evidence of the crossings? For example, "Crossing Chiron/uranus' Crossing sun/pluto; Crossing venus/saturn". Anytime I see these, should I consider these valid and take the crossings into consideration of a location? Or should I not consider these valid unless they have MC, DC, IC, AS on them? In the examples I gave, those are all planets and not angles, so would i not consider the crossings I gave above valid?

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Post by Jim Eshelman » Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:28 pm

At those locations, two planets are simultaneously angular so, yes, that's quite important. - And yes, the crossings have to be legitimate lines, no tries or sextile to angles.
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Post by Parto » Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:27 pm

Remember to check for ecliptical squares of planets to Asc or MC (I think you'll want those within 1º for this purpose).

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Re: In relocation astrology, is having your ascendant ruled by venus the same as living under the Venus/AS line?

Post by SteveS » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:18 am

A location crossing point of planets with a practical living location is most unique and potent, either to be avoided or sought for depending on the combination of the planets. In what location do you have a planetary map crossing and with which planets?

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Post by rcooke13 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:46 am

SteveS wrote:
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A location crossing point of planets with a practical living location is most unique and potent, either to be avoided or sought for depending on the combination of the planets. In what location do you have a planetary map crossing and with which planets?
I was looking at different cities in Florida just out of curiosity and the common crossings all over FL were

Crossing Chiron/Uranus /
Crossing Venus/Saturn /
Crossing Sun/Pluto
Crossing Mercury/Neptune

I got them off of astro.com. What are your thoughts on these crossings?

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Post by SteveS » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:38 pm

I have not done any work with Chiron but it seems I remember it has something to do with healing. Jim & Danica I think have done a fair amount of work with the symbolic effects of Chiron. But it may have very interesting possibilities linked-up with Uranus if in fact Chiron has anything to do with the healing arts as a profession.

Venus/Saturn: I would avoid!

Sun/Pluto: I would defer to Danica and Jim's thoughts, In my client, friends, & family files I have no direct experience with Sun/Pluto signatures.

Mercury/Neptune: Great for anything to do with the creative/entertainment arts. I was born with a Mercury-Neptune conjunction and spent my career in the Movie Business as a Theater exhibitor of movies with lots of creative energy booking movies into theaters for a small company with full authority how to advertise certain movies to the public---lots of creative energy successfully spent in my career as a Theater exhibitor.

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Re: In relocation astrology, is having your ascendant ruled by venus the same as living under the Venus/AS line?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:39 pm

rcooke13 wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:46 am
I was looking at different cities in Florida just out of curiosity and the common crossings all over FL were

Crossing Chiron/Uranus /
Crossing Venus/Saturn /
Crossing Sun/Pluto
Crossing Mercury/Neptune

I got them off of astro.com. What are your thoughts on these crossings?
Oh, I get it: What you are calling "crossings" are parans. I suppose you call them that because the horizontal lines "cross" the map. They do this because parans exist at a specific geographic latitude. "Paran" (technically a potential paran) exists when two planets somewhere in the world at that latitude actually cross angles at the same spot.

Here, for example, is a map of your parans going through Florida. The dotted line near the top is Mercury-Neptune, the one near Sarasota and Fort Pierce is Sun-Pluto, and the two near Palm Beach are Chiron-Uranus and Venus-Saturn.
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Re: In relocation astrology, is having your ascendant ruled by venus the same as living under the Venus/AS line?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:46 pm

As for how important they are... they're important, but not nearly so important as real planet lines. The map might be a little misleading, though, because it's not necessarily clear where these are in orb. It's better to pick a specific location and do a full paran workup to make sure you've captured all of them within a degree. But the map is a good start.

I've noticed over the years that potential parans are not necessarily that strong in a birth chart, but one can dramatically notice a shift when relocating if one gains new parans and loses former ones. It's worth considering.

OTOH it's minor enough that I almost never do them even for myself when I go to a new area.

BTW, what we (wrongly) thought you meant by "crossings" was when two planet angular lines cross each other. Look at a map for yourself in Europe for many examples. For example:

Moon and Jupiter lines cross south of Paris
Mars and Jupiter lines cross just off the coast of the Netherlands
Venus and Neptune lines cross in southeast Germany
Sun and Saturn lines cross in eastern Poland

And so forth. These are really big deals!
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Re: In relocation astrology, is having your ascendant ruled by venus the same as living under the Venus/AS line?

Post by SteveS » Sun Apr 18, 2021 3:36 am

Jim wrote:
BTW, what we (wrongly) thought you meant by "crossings" was when two planet angular lines cross each other. Look at a map for yourself in Europe for many examples. For example:
Moon and Jupiter lines cross south of Paris
These are really big deals!
Rookie 13, it doesn’t get much better for all types of emotional fulfillment than Moon-Jupiter, but don’t expect to uproot yourself from your present location and move to the south of Paris and expect wonderful things to automatically start happening. Any type of major relocation must come with practicality: a secure job before the move, family considerations, and practical living quarters speaking the native language. If you meet these practical considerations, then yes, Paris would be a most excellent relocation, or as Jim states: a “really big deal.”

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