Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers
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Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers
Here follow horoscopes of leading (first generation) Sidereal astrology pioneers.
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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers
Wayne Turner wrote:Thanks Jim for posting these charts together. I notice that James Hynes has a close ME/UR conjunction, with Saturn rising--quite appropriate for someone who calculated many sidereal position tables. I've seen close "hard" aspects between Mercury and Uranus in the charts of others who have worked with databases and tables of calculations, myself being one of them. I have ME 90 UR from the twelfth to the ninth house. Zip Dobyns compiled many pages of data for Neil Block when he was first doing his research with the charts of Members of Congress, and she also published ephemerides of the "big four" asteroids. She has ME 180 UR (and two sons who are computer programmers as well). Another interesting case is the 17th century mathematician and astrologer Vincent Wing. He was apparently the first English astrologer to describe heliocentric positions in his ephemerides of 1659 - 1671. He has a close square aspect between ME/UR (28') and a close binovile (25') from his Sun to Uranus as well. I find the novile (nonile) aspects to be very powerful.
Vincent Wing data from John Partridge, Defectio Geniturarum, 1697, courtesy J Lee Lehman in NCGR Heliogram, May 1989, p. 30: 19 April 1619 NS (Gregorian; 9 April OS), 5:48 pm LAT, ~5:47 pm LMT, north of London, 52n40, 00w10. (Uranus should be close to the MC in the ninth.)
An interesting review of the accuracy of early almanacs and ephemerides:
http://books.google.com/books?id=e9xiGi ... t#PPT14,M1
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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers
For those coordinates on that date, 5:48 pm LAT was 5:46:56 pm LMT. This gives:Wayne Turner wrote:Vincent Wing data from John Partridge, Defectio Geniturarum, 1697, courtesy J Lee Lehman in NCGR Heliogram, May 1989, p. 30: 19 April 1619 NS (Gregorian; 9 April OS), 5:48 pm LAT, ~5:47 pm LMT, north of London, 52n40, 00w10. (Uranus should be close to the MC in the ninth.)
Uranus 0 Can 12
Midheaven 2 Can 56
Mercury 29 Pis 44
Descendant 27 Pis 19
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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers
Astrological patterns in the horoscopes of the above six Sidereal pioneers, to whom I have added Carl Stahl (March 13, 1914, 7:44 PM CST, Kilmanagh, MI).
SUN-SIGN
Taurus Taurus Cancer Leo Libra Capricorn Aquarius
MOON-SIGN
Virgo Virgo Sagittarius Capricorn Aquarius Aries Aries
FOREGROUND/ANGULAR
Sun - Fagan
Moon - Bradley Firebrace Hynes Stahl
Mercury - Duncan
Venus - Firebrace
Mars - Gleadow Firebrace
Saturn - Hynes
Uranus - Bradley
Neptune - Hynes Duncan Stahl
Pluto - Fagan
ASPECTS
Mo-Su - Fagan
Mo-Me - Duncan
Mo-Ma - Fagan Gleadow Firebrace
Mo-Ju - Fagan Hynes
Mo-Sa - Bradley
Mo-Pl - Bradley Gleadow
Su-Ma - Fagan
Su-Ju - Fagan Bradley
Su-Sa - Firebrace
Su-Ur - Bradley
Su-Ne - Stahl
Me-MA - Hynes
Me-Sa - Gleadow
Me-Ur - Firebrace Hynes
Me-Ne - Firebrace
Ve-Ma - Duncan
Ve-Ju - Duncan
Ve-Sa - Gleadow
Ve-Ur - Fagan
Ve-Pl - Stahl
Ma-Ju - Duncan
Ma-Sa - Gleadow
Ma-Ur - Hynes
Ma-Ne - Bradley Firebrace
Ma-Pl - Firebrace
Ju-Sa = Stahl
Ju-Ur - Bradley Stahl
Ju-Ne - Gleadow
Sa-Ur - Bradley Duncan Stahl
Sa-Pl - Bradley Duncan
Ur-Ne - Gleadow Firebrace Duncan
Ur-Pl - Duncan
Ne-Pl - Firebrace
SUN-SIGN
Taurus Taurus Cancer Leo Libra Capricorn Aquarius
MOON-SIGN
Virgo Virgo Sagittarius Capricorn Aquarius Aries Aries
FOREGROUND/ANGULAR
Sun - Fagan
Moon - Bradley Firebrace Hynes Stahl
Mercury - Duncan
Venus - Firebrace
Mars - Gleadow Firebrace
Saturn - Hynes
Uranus - Bradley
Neptune - Hynes Duncan Stahl
Pluto - Fagan
ASPECTS
Mo-Su - Fagan
Mo-Me - Duncan
Mo-Ma - Fagan Gleadow Firebrace
Mo-Ju - Fagan Hynes
Mo-Sa - Bradley
Mo-Pl - Bradley Gleadow
Su-Ma - Fagan
Su-Ju - Fagan Bradley
Su-Sa - Firebrace
Su-Ur - Bradley
Su-Ne - Stahl
Me-MA - Hynes
Me-Sa - Gleadow
Me-Ur - Firebrace Hynes
Me-Ne - Firebrace
Ve-Ma - Duncan
Ve-Ju - Duncan
Ve-Sa - Gleadow
Ve-Ur - Fagan
Ve-Pl - Stahl
Ma-Ju - Duncan
Ma-Sa - Gleadow
Ma-Ur - Hynes
Ma-Ne - Bradley Firebrace
Ma-Pl - Firebrace
Ju-Sa = Stahl
Ju-Ur - Bradley Stahl
Ju-Ne - Gleadow
Sa-Ur - Bradley Duncan Stahl
Sa-Pl - Bradley Duncan
Ur-Ne - Gleadow Firebrace Duncan
Ur-Pl - Duncan
Ne-Pl - Firebrace
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Are we to trust the birth times of exact minute, 12pm and 5pm? Or are those guesses?
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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers
google astrodatabank with the name of the person. It gives a list of all the famous astrologers who rectified these birthtimes to heck and back and what they came up with. I think Fagan's mother said 11:45 AM because his father came in to see her after the baby was born still wearing his top hat (he was a physician in Dublin) just as the bells were chiming noon - there would have been some cleaning up before he was let in.
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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers
B.F. Firebrace Birth Data correction.
Jim, you gave 5 pm LMT ..
according to astro.com it's 4:45 pm LMT or 9 pm UT, Rodden -A- ,
16Aug1889, Halifax, Canada.
Corrected time brings a clear Moon paran-sq Venus aspect into focus.
Of course, Solunars & Progressions are affected as well.
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Jim, you gave 5 pm LMT ..
according to astro.com it's 4:45 pm LMT or 9 pm UT, Rodden -A- ,
16Aug1889, Halifax, Canada.
Corrected time brings a clear Moon paran-sq Venus aspect into focus.
Of course, Solunars & Progressions are affected as well.
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This is the time Roy himself gave me.
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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers
also got this time from SPICA: SPICA 1/1973, p.39, given as 9:00:19 PM GMT.
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And I just found (on review) one of his letters that gives 9:03. Obviously he was playing with his time. I should probably use the 9:03 UT for what's displayed.
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Jim,
In SPICA Vol ll #3
April 1963
Firebrace wrote an article on whether the N.Q. should be drawn for Birth Place or Residence.
At that time (did he change his mind?) he felt that Solar & Lunar Returns should be drawn for Residence.
But, that NQ's showed statistically better for BP than Locality.
And Firebrace was using the 9:01 pm GMT birth time.
In the SPICA article he gave examples of his marriage and WWl honors.
Calculating these charts in SF v.9 turns out he progressed these charts using Q1 (BIJA)
which would appear to be more telling than by Q2; I know most Siderelists have disregarded the Q1 in favor of the Q2. However, I find plenty of in working with solar and lunar returns and their progressions.
Do you recommend the Q1 or Q2?
In SPICA Vol ll #3
April 1963
Firebrace wrote an article on whether the N.Q. should be drawn for Birth Place or Residence.
At that time (did he change his mind?) he felt that Solar & Lunar Returns should be drawn for Residence.
But, that NQ's showed statistically better for BP than Locality.
And Firebrace was using the 9:01 pm GMT birth time.
In the SPICA article he gave examples of his marriage and WWl honors.
Calculating these charts in SF v.9 turns out he progressed these charts using Q1 (BIJA)
which would appear to be more telling than by Q2; I know most Siderelists have disregarded the Q1 in favor of the Q2. However, I find plenty of in working with solar and lunar returns and their progressions.
Do you recommend the Q1 or Q2?
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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers
Q2. In one set of data after another, it shows better (closer and more appropriate angularities and Moon aspects) at least 2 times out of 3, sometimes 3 out of 4. I might be forced to admit that the Q1 has independent (though markedly lesser) significance, though logically that seems preposterous. And, despite Roy's study, both logic and experience align in saying they need to be done for locale.
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I've visited the Wiki page on Fagan, and spotted some need for correction, so, updated, minding the details of the references too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_Fagan
It would be nice to put a more complete biography, along with his full bibliography, but temporary, it's better now than what it had before:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_Fagan
It would be nice to put a more complete biography, along with his full bibliography, but temporary, it's better now than what it had before:
Cyril Fagan (born Dublin, Ireland, May 22, 1896, died Tucson, Arizona, United States, January 5, 1970) was an Irish astrologer, who argued for the use of sidereal astrology in the west and established it as a separate field from tropical astrology. [1] He is the creator with American astrologer Bradley of the Fagan-Bradley Ayanamsha. [2]
His books include:
Astrological Origins, Zodiacs Old and New St. Paul, Minn.: Llewellyn Publications, 1971.
Fixed Zodiac Ephemeris for 1948. Washington, D.C.: National Astrological Library, 1948.
A Primer of the Sidereal Zodiac
Zodiacs Old and New. Los Angeles: Llewellyn Publications, 1950.
References
Cyril Fagan Gale Encyclopedia of Occultism & Parapsychology, 2012
Fagan/Bradley Ayanamsha Ayanamshas in Sidereal Astrology, Astrodienst, Dieter Koch, last updated on 19 Dec. 2017
Holden, James H., and Robert A. Hughes. Astrological Pioneers of America. Tempe, Ariz.: American Federation of Astrologers, 1988.
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Re: Neil L. Block (Gary Duncan)
I just found the following quite excellent article by my old friend Michael Erlewine about Gary Duncan. I recommend it as a fairly intimate portrait of a Sidereal Pioneer. (Also quite accurate. I only found two small facts I think are wrong and neither has to do with Gary's history or character.)
https://www.astrologysoftware.com/commu ... uncan.html
https://www.astrologysoftware.com/commu ... uncan.html
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Re: Donald Bradley (Garth Allen)
Jim Eshelman wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2017 11:52 pm(I need to redo this for 2:40, his actual birth time rather than the published
Hiya!
regarding Donald's chart
Has this "redo" been posted elsewhere on the forum? It would be nice to have it in this thread.
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Thanks for the nudge. I hadn't done that and have now updated it. - I should probably update all of these, including adding mundoscopes.
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