Recording Mars transits to my chart

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:32 am

Ok, so I now have an excel sheet where I've recorded a few Mars contacts to my chart, focusing only on negative impact so far, as in fights. It is very unusual for me and my partner to be fighting as in having loud fights, but it happens occasionally and has to do with Mars transits I believe. Now Mars has been travelling through my relocation ASC sign and is now passing through my natal ASC sign.

I will continue to record Mars transit as I also want to note when it passes through Libra where my relocated Vx is and SSR IC as well to check if they are responsive to Mars transits.

I just wrote to a hospital to ask about an accident I had back in 1991 when I fell and lost my front teeth, typical Mars incident. I will also include a sudden operation I had in 2007.

Anyway, I do this in order to further my study on possible rectified angles.

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:55 am

Most recent fight with partner happened on 26th April 2017 at around 10pm when tr. Mars was at 8,47 Taurus.
To keep it simple I will focus on partile aspects that are within 1° orb.

BT 23.40 has no angles for natal, relocated, SSR or LSR within a degree from this one.
The only possible contact is opposition to n. Neptune at 8.09 Scorpio and sq. SSR POF at 9.35 Leo.

BT cirka 20 min earlier:
LSR for 23.21 would have DSC at 8.42 Taurus.
SSR for same time, nothing around that degree.
Relocated chart for same time has ASC at 11.23 Taurus.
Natal has that Neptune at 8.09 Scorpio.

On a different note:
I've got a record of my spending money, ordering lots of things from May 28th-June 9th. It's unusual for me, I am not shopping all the time.
Not sure if this has to do with Mars entering Gemini and coming into orb with n. Jupiter - OR it is because of Jupiter transit to n. Vx or both.

On the more positive side of Mars

May 31st was a Mars-Venus contact for sure.

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:18 am

Late March and late May last year had two heavy fights, on March 29th and May 31st 2016.
March 29th has Mars at 12 Scorpio
May 31st has Mars at 3.32 Scorpio.

BT 23.40 for March 29th:
Natal: Tr. Mars quincunx n. ASC.
Rel. Rvk.: Mars sq. POF
SSR Rvk: Mars trine SSR pr. Moon
LSR Rvk: Mars trine LSR DSC, slightly over 1°orb, but was 2° past LSR Saturn.

BT cirka 20 min earlier:
Rel. Rvk DSC would be around 10-11 Scorpio.
SSR: Mars trine SSR pr. Moon
LSR: Mars trine LSR Vx within min.

BT 23.40 for May 31st 2016:
Nothing on natal.
Rel. Rvk.: Nothing.
SSR Rvk.: Saturn at 3.20 Scorpio.
LSR Rvk.: Nothing within 1°orb, but LSR Sun is at 1,30 Taurus.

BT cirka 20 min earlier:
Rel. Rvk. Mars sq. POF.
SSR Rvk. Mars on SSR Saturn.
LSR Rvk: Sun at 1,30 Taurus.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:13 am

Arena wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:55 am Most recent fight with partner happened on 26th April 2017 at around 10pm when tr. Mars was at 8,47 Taurus.

Early on in my reading of Fagan's work, I saw a remark he made about an easy way to rectify one's chart by taking times of temper outbursts and finding Mars on a quotidian angle. I gathered some of these, came up with a tedious argument for a rectification of my chart three or four minutes, and wrote about it in a letter to Don Bradley.

He pointed out that I was missing something simple and obvious: For my birth certificate time, nearly every one of these had transiting Neptune on an angle, and the rest were Neptune transits. It wasn't a Mars issue - it was that I got emotionally hysterical, sensitive, hyper-reactive.

So, I wondered about this when I saw your timed event and, yes, the one thing I first noticed (before reading down and seeing that you'd covered it) was that Mars was precisely opposite your natal Neptune for the event. One generally feels, under this transit, that every weakness of one's psyche is laid open and being poked, attacked, pushed, etc. More than that, though: Since I was checking your SNQ as the most likely place it would show on a quotidian, I found transiting Neptune 0°35' from square MC and natal Sun 19' from Descendant.

I haven't checked the others, and have to get out the door... maybe will have a chance to look later.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:37 am

Arena wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:18 am March 29th [2016] has Mars at 12 Scorpio

Where were you living? Still Iceland? I think you hadn't moved yet. - For Reykjavik, SNQ Ascendant at noon was 9°14' Scorpio, a degree from your Neptune and not quite in solid contact distance from Mars.

May 31st [2016] has Mars at 3.32 Scorpio.

Still in Reyk? SNQ Descendant 27°25' Cancer at noon, within a degree of your Mars.

So for (if I have the locations right), all of these have had either Neptune or Mars within 1° of an SNQ (Q2) angle, which would have been my prediction.

TheScales_BothWays · Post by **TheScales_BothWays** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:53 am

Jim Eshelman wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:37 am SNQ Ascendant at noon was 9°14' Scorpio...

...SNQ Descendant 27°25' Cancer at noon...

...all of these have had either Neptune or Mars within 1° of an SNQ (Q2) angle...

Just to clarify: the SNQ is the same as the "Mean Quotidian" progression function in Solar Fire, right? Or do you have to calculate it manually/through some other method?

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:58 am

Right the first time, with Q2 selected.

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:07 am

Thanks for chippin in with SNQs Jim. I can't do them on astro.com.

The events I have are not conclusive, so I will continue and add more. I think that I need at least 10 examples to work with here to see any scores for either chart.

Anyway, I will add another one that I'll never forget, it happened on July 14th 2009 around noon in Rvk. My father attacked my partner and there was a fight. I was not there, but it still felt attacked and this one had serious consequences.
A lot is happening by transits, but let's explore this anyway in the same way as above.

Mars is at 6,49 Taurus.
BT 23.40 for July 14th 2009:
Natal: Mars opposite n. Neptune and trine n. Pluto.
Rel.Rvk.: Nothing to angles.
SSR Rvk.: Mars sq SSR ASC within 1,5°orb. SSR Neptune is opposite Mars.
LSR Rvk.: Mars-Venus conjunction at this place in LSR, it trines LSR Saturn&Vx allowing a bit wider orb than 1°

BT cirka 20 min earlier:
Rel.Rvk.: Close to rel. ASC, but orb too wide, 3°.
SSR Rvk.: Nothing to angles, but note Neptune.
LSR Rvk.: Same as above, except now Mars is out of orb contact to Vx, but instead another factor shows up that is very relevant to this incident. LSR Pluto is partile this LSR ASC.

PS. Relevant to this one is Pluto symbolism, since this one triggered a 2 year separation from talking to parents. The solar return for 2009 for birth time 23.20-23.24 has the SSR IC on n. Pluto as well as SSR Pluto on SSR WP. (The SSR for a 23.40 chart does not have that Plutonic symbolism).

TheScales_BothWays · Post by **TheScales_BothWays** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:25 am

Jim Eshelman wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:58 am Right the first time, with Q2 selected.

Thanks Jim!

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:34 am

A sudden operation on ovaries. 10th or 11th November 2007 in Ljubljana, Slovenia. I think it was on Saturday the 10th because I remember it being the first day of weekend, woke up with terrible pain, tried to ease the pain with a warm bath, but soon just headed off to the hospital and they rushed me into operation that afternoon.

Mars is at 17,26-17,30 Gemini.

Tr. Mars too far from angles for natal chart and relocated angles. BUT it is within 1,5° from rectified n. IC and is partile conjunct IC for a 23.18 BT !

BT 23.40:
SSR: Nothing close enough to angles.
LSR: Nothing close enough to angles, except n. Neptune on LSR ASC.

BT cirka 20 min earlier:
SSR: Mars within 1,5° from SSR ASC!
LSR: LSR Mars conj. LSR Vx within 2° and Uranus within 3°fro LSR IC. (Interestingly LSR Venus is also on angle at LSR MC, and sq. LSR Jupiter, perhaps signifying the ectopic pregnancy)

This one has a clear score for rectified chart that shows Mars effect to natal angle and both in the rel. SSR and LSR.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:35 am

Arena wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:07 am Anyway, I will add another one that I'll never forget, it happened on July 14th 2009 around noon in Rvk.

I don't get the same kind of quotidian crossings on this one, but one transit and angularity you probably missed that I think was important. Your progressed (SQ) solar return Moon was 22°36' Leo, and transiting Saturn was 22°47' Leo. This wasn't TOO far from an angle (within 2° orb, though I'd prefer 1°; but 2° is the well-established threshold in mundane quotidians): SQ IC was 20°49' Leo.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:09 pm

Arena wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:34 am A sudden operation on ovaries. 10th or 11th November 2007 in Ljubljana, Slovenia. I think it was on Saturday the 10th because I remember it being the first day of weekend

You're doing really well on these quotidians

For noon on the 10th:

SSR Saturn 1°24' Leo
SSR Mars 2°59' Taurus
SQ Asc 2°52' Leo

t Neptne 24°25' Capricorn
SQ MV 24°58' Aries
SSR Neptune 26°03' Capricorn

With this run of super-tight hits (and only one that is wider), I'd be surprised if your birthtime is off by more than a minute or two at most. Most of these are exact to the minute of birth time.

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:14 pm

...Good to add them, but I would think they need to have the comparison to the alternative BT around 23.20 to see which quotidians do better.

However I must also state that if such an operation is not symbolised as a theme for that LSR *since it really was a theme for that particular month and it also affected the rest of that year) and does not show up as a partile aspect on angles of an LSR and SSR for that year, I think something is really off.
How do these turn out in mundoscopes for the SSR's and LSR's?

I will continue the comparison until I have sufficient data for a conclusion.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:54 pm

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Arena wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:14 pm However I must also state that if such an operation is not symbolised as a theme for that LSR *since it really was a theme for that particular month and it also affected the rest of that year) and does not show up as a partile aspect on angles of an LSR and SSR for that year, I think something is really off.

It needn't show up in the return itself. It's a quotidian - good for a day, give or take one on either side.

How do these turn out in mundoscopes for the SSR's and LSR's?

Wasn't checking those. That's less precise than the quotidians, since a planet could be many degrees off a return chart angle and still be pivotal, whereas quotidians have a 1°-2° tolerance only.

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:10 pm

I didn't mean how the quotidians turn out in the mundoscopes, I was rather thinking that this is quite a big thing happening and therefore my logic is that this kind of thing would show up as angular hits to an SSR and LSR, at least the latter since it is the theme of that month. And that is why I was wondering how the mundoscopes for SSR, both BT and LSR, both BT would turn out in terms of angularity.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:14 pm

Arena wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:10 pm I didn't mean how the quotidians turn out in the mundoscopes, I was rather thinking that this is quite a big thing happening and therefore my logic is that this kind of thing would show up as angular hits to an SSR and LSR, at least the latter since it is the theme of that month. And that is why I was wondering how the mundoscopes for SSR, both BT and LSR, both BT would turn out in terms of angularity.

Saw my error and just corrected it with a different answer. - On the return charts, I don't know, haven't taken time to calculate them - much slower than the Qs, and wider orbs.

Oh, I have the 2007 Slovenia SSR here because I ran the SQ. Transiting Mars was about 2° above Ascendant. squared (a degree and a half) by Saturn.

I just did the Demi-SLR that occurred round dawn on November 10. Doesn't seem to address this event: Your Sun at MC, transiting Mercury rising. Noticeable (nom-angular) transits partile in the Demi-SLR: t Pluto op r Venus (59') & t Venus conj r Pluto (49'); t Neptune sq r Moon (36'), conj. L MC (02'), op. r Mercury (17'). Not a good place to be, especially at that time, since your Saturn is exactly rising there, and transiting Neptune was conjoining your local MC (seeming to confirm the birth time to within seconds <g>).

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:06 pm

Oh, I have the 2007 Slovenia SSR here because I ran the SQ. Transiting Mars was about 2° above Ascendant. squared (a degree and a half) by Saturn.

Transiting Mars on Nov 10th 2007 was at 17.26 Gemini. I am not sure why you say it was 2° above ASC. Which ASC?

I just did the Demi-SLR that occurred round dawn on November 10. Doesn't seem to address this event

But the LSR for a rectified BT does indeed address this event as well as the pregnancy.
Demi LSR have never proven to me any substance at all.
I think such instances have to show up on angles for the LSR, or else there is not much of substance in looking into LSRs.

I do not consider Neptune to be symbolic of sudden operations - that is more a Mars thing to me.

But as stated above, more Mars hits are needed in order to have something conclusive. I wouldn't decide upon an original or rectified birth time until I have a lot of data.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:15 pm

Arena wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:06 pm
Oh, I have the 2007 Slovenia SSR here because I ran the SQ. Transiting Mars was about 2° above Ascendant. squared (a degree and a half) by Saturn.
Transiting Mars on Nov 10th 2007 was at 17.26 Gemini. I am not sure why you say it was 2° above ASC. Which ASC?

You asked about the return charts. I was referring to its place in your solar return itself (for that location). The chart is for August 4, 2007, 0:51:35 CEDT, Ljubljana, Slovenia.

The Mars -Saturn square 2°59' Taurus to 1°24' Leo was the one closely angular thing in the SSR, and then, on the date in question, the SQ Ascendant has spun around to 2° Leo to set it off at the same time MC spun to exactly hit Neptune.

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:25 pm

You asked about the return chart. I was referring to its place in your solar return itself (for that location).

Ok, so it is the mundoscope for the SSR you were looking at? Because the ecliptic chart shows Mars over 7° above ASC. Curious to know how close that mundo Mars would be to the alternative SSR.

My state at the time was not filled with anxiety at all, nor any health problems at all.We were just very much in love, having sex many times each day (which I also contribute to Mars). We also travelled a lot during that SSR (SSR Moon is partile opposite n. Uranus). Ectopic pregnancy is not really an ongoing health problem, just happened that one time and ovaries had to be operated on. No other health issues.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:00 pm

The other time you want is 0:20? Here are the differences.

SSR Mars 2°59' Taurus, Saturn 1°24' Leo for both times

0:40 birth...
Mars 2°47' above Ascendant
SQ Asc for noon on event day 2°52' Leo

0:20 birth...
Mars 0°39' above Ascendant
SQ Asc for noon on event day 29°09' Cancer

Mars is closer in the SSR (where it doesn't have to be). Mars and Saturn are tight for the given birth time and out of range for the earlier time in the SQ (where the close orb is important).

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:53 pm

Thanks Jim.
The latter one does connect to n. Mars on the day though. So double Mars symbolism with the rectified time.

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:56 pm

Thanks Jim.
The latter one does connect to n. Mars on the day though. So double Mars symbolism within the SSR for the rectified time, as well as Mars symbolism for natal angle and for the LSR. That is interesting.

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:38 am

Ok, so now Mars has been transiting Gemini and will soon enter Cancer.
I thought it might be of interest to this community that my natal angles are not really responding to the Mars transit. I have not had any "martian" happenings during the Gemini transit, no fights or bursts of anger and no accidents, not even a small one. The only possible time I can see was the small but trivial argument I had with jamescondor in this forum - but I would not really categorize that as martian or even of any importance to me, just me being sarcastic. That was on June 10th with Mars at 9 Gemini. viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1173

My thoughts on this are that possibly my natal angles are now only responding as "background" or shadow angles, not of great importance anymore. The most martian time (as in fights) in recent weeks was the one recorded in post nr. 2 in this thread http://solunars.com/posting.php?mode=re ... 478#pr8796
And that one has a possible relocated angle connection.

Although I must make a note that the recent weeks have been very active in terms of meeting the potential business partner and actively seeking property deals with him.

I know I need a longer time with more data to conclude anything at all - but it is indeed surprising to see that my natal angles are not really responding to Mars transit.
This tells me that relocated angles are possibly of greater importance than natal.

Danica · Post by **Danica** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:48 am

Mars can manifest in many ways, and having a fight/argument/accident - though probably most common as a manifestation - hardly covers all of it.
When looking at our personal transits, I think the best approach is not to expect a specific, particular manifestation in advance, but simply be aware what's going on, observe, and learn from experience.

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:43 pm

Yes I know that Danica, but usually you see a bit more irritation and aggression in yourself with Mars transiting, or that is the idea of such a transit.

T MARS conjunct N ASCENDANT
Assertive, competitive, physical, aggressive, irritating, willful, sexually demanding. An energetic time with possible angry conflict. Capable of accomplishment and effective action.

And none of that rings true for Mars transits through Gemini except for the effective action taken for a possible business venture and the minor trivial argument with jamescondor.

But it did indeed ring very true when transiting Taurus (relocated ASC).

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:14 pm

Arena, are you actually counting the whole sign? Or is that just for convenience.

Normally one wants to allow only 1° either side of the exact contact.

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:31 am

Jim Eshelman wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:14 pm Arena, are you actually counting the whole sign? Or is that just for convenience.

Normally one wants to allow only 1° either side of the exact contact.

Well, as you know by now Jim. I want to allow for expansion and elastisticy/flexibility

... I was just watching the transit until it would be safely past my n. IC and I was just observing my life and if anything what I would categorize as "martian" was happening at all. Nothing did except for the big spendings when Mars was opposing my Jupiter and then this small and trivial day with my sarcastic argument with jamescondor when Mars was at 9 Gemini and then the action in my business ventures while Mars and Mercury are passing the latter part of Gemini.

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:44 pm

I am not sure if I should count this as Mars transit or not, but I'll make a note of it here anyway.
My inner prankster had an urge for expression and last night I made an online order for some sexual products and had them sent to my neighbour who has recently told me that she hadn't had sex with her husband for a very very very long time.

When I came home today she laughed in my face, told me she knew that it was me who had done that and that she was waiting to use it when her husband would arrive home from work. Then shortly after he came home she came to my home and hugged me and thanked me for being such a prankster because it had brought them together again

Since it is of sexual nature I checked Mars in transit conj. t. Sun at 7-8° Cancer, which is possibly on rel. IC... but it also has other connections - f.ex it is trine SSR Mars. Also t. Mercury is right on SSR Venus and sextile n. Venus.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:51 pm

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:48 pm

Woops, extreme anger attack today. I got so mad at my son I almost screamed my lungs out and had an extreme irritation towards him misbehaving like crazy.
Mars is 10,54 Cancer. The only possible connection I see is a quinc to natal DSC if 23.40 ...or a trine to n. DC for rel. angles BT 23.18.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:30 pm

My money is on your daily Solar Quotidian (SQ) chart for today. Note approaching t. Sun-Mars partile cnj SQ East Point, and approaching SQ Moon nearing a partile 90 to SQ Mars. Inside wheel SQ chart and outside wheel noon transits.
http://imgur.com/a/PcRDL

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:03 am

Aha, that is one possible explanation, Steve.

Sometimes I feel we keep way too many options open for interpretations.
Transits to natal, transits to progressed, progressed to natal, transits to SSR, progressed SSR, transits to SQ chart and then when people start adding those semi and sesqi aspects they are just way out of line

IMHO all 30 degree aspects (including trines and quinc) have way more relevance than any semi or sesqi aspects and in some cases, it seems like it is mostly just the conjunction that works at all.

... I think that when Martian energy shows up very strongly it would be seen not only within the SQ chart, but also in transit to either natal or SSR. But in this case, when it is just a one off day of irritation and getting angry - the SQ chart might be enough to explain it.

BTW Mars is partile conj my sons' nodes and trine his n. Sun.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:42 am

Arena wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:48 pm Woops, extreme anger attack today. I got so mad at my son I almost screamed my lungs out and had an extreme irritation towards him misbehaving like crazy.
Mars is 10,54 Cancer. The only possible connection I see is a quinc to natal DSC if 23.40 ...or a trine to n. DC for rel. angles BT 23.18.

Arena, what was the date and time of this? I refuse to accept a quincunx to your Descendant, not just because it's a quincunx but because aspects to angles don't exist. (They just don't.)

I'm not sure following Mars transits is always the best way to catch it. I do think the events you are tracking are quite useful, and Fagan recommended exactly this - with a claim that it would usually be Mars on a quotidian angle for the eruption. I would add "or Neptune" - maybe even Neptune ore easily than Mars. Without reviewing the thread, my memory is that nearly every time you've given for this has had Neptune or Mars exactly on a quotidian angle (and for your given birth time). That's quite interesting because it's consistent with Fagan's original claim from his heyday in the '60s.

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:31 pm

It was July 29th between 4-5 pm.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:43 pm

Arena wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:31 pm It was July 29th between 4-5 pm.

Thanks. And the first crack out of the box - the exact thing I went to look for, in the exact place I went to look - your SNQ for 4:30 PM has MC 17°51' Aquarius with Neptune at 18°49' Aquarius. Neptune angular in the SNQ (or sometimes another quotidian) is the common denominator of most of these.

As Bradley pointed ut to me in examples I sent him, I mention to you: These outbursts aren't Mars. They're Neptune. Feeling various Neptunian ways (put upon, maybe overwhelmed, maybe frustrated, feeling everything in a magnified way and just letting rip with an emotional outsurge).

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:41 am

Cyril Fagan writes for p. Moon-Mars:

Anger, energetic action.

SQ1 on July 29, 2017 4:30 PM Edinburgh:
SQ Moon 04,10 Leo
SQ Mars 05,36 Scorpio
SQ East Point 11,49 Cancer
t. Sun 11,45 Cancer
t. Mars 10,56 Cancer

IMO, solid par-excellent symbolism for this 'angered' incident with the son. BTW Arena, fwiw, with a 11:23 birth time, SQ1 East Point is 07,41 Cancer.

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:28 am

Thank you both. This seems like it could be a mixture of both Moon-Mars, Sun-Mars and Neptune. The same occurred when an explosive argument with partner happened, Mars opp n. Neptune (and his Uranus).

I will keep watching Mars transits. It's an interesting learning experience. Mars is about to transit my n. Sun, Mercury and Mars ... and then in September it will square my rel. ASC.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:19 am

Arena wrote:

I will keep watching Mars transits. It's an interesting learning experience. Mars is about to transit my n. Sun, Mercury and Mars ... and then in September it will square my rel. ASC.

Let us know for any significant manifestations, and be

as you can.

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:48 am

22nd and 23rd March had heated discussions with my business partner.
Tr. Mars at 8 Sagi.

No arguments in any of the following days after that and no Mars-related activities either.

IF DSC at 8 Sag, then this is just a "pure hit".
IF DSC is at 11 Sag, then it is the midpoint between Tr. Mars and Saturn on those days.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:58 am

Arena, FWIW, In my 30 years of studying astrology, I have never seen anything in the field of any branch of astrology, that is more potent with pure/potent planetary manifestations than a planet partile cnj an angle.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:14 am

Arena wrote: Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:48 am 22nd and 23rd March had heated discussions with my business partner.

Yes, it's a good argument (pardon the pun) for an 8° Sagittarius Descendant.

There's another factor though: I was about to say that this we didn't have any quotidians to complicate the picture with Mars or Neptune on an angle, then realized I'd calculated your SSR wrong (I'd let Solar Fire calculate it for your birth year by mistake). When I got the charts redone correctly, I found that, for midnight bridging 3/22 and 3/23, SQ Midheaven for your given birth time is 8°40' Pisces with Mars at 8°02' Sagittarius. (Emotions may have been running higher, too, because SSR Venus is 8°22' Gemini.)

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:43 am

Thanks for the SQ and SSR view Jim. I will keep following these Mars incidents. Somehow I would expect Mars opposition to SSR Venus to be more of a sexual nature (but I am not really going to report all sexual activity

)

Just to make things clear to your audience, am I right to conclude that what you are saying here is that a natal angle will not be affected at all in any way by a direct hit from Mars? So therefore following Mars transits to natal angles is not a good method to rectify a chart? If those conclusions are right, is the reason you think this to be the case my natal angles would not respond anymore after relocating, and only relocated angles would respond to Mars transits?

In the latter half of this month, Mars will transit my n. MC and I will keep my senses open to any Martian activity.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:15 am

Arena wrote: Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:43 am Somehow I would expect Mars opposition to SSR Venus to be more of a sexual nature (but I am not really going to report all sexual activity )

I used to approach the pair that way, and then there were too many pockets where it wasn't applicable. One could rightfully say, "Some other emotion or activity that is maybe sexual underneath, or is a similar energy, but isn't specifically sexual" - OK, that's a way to sneak it in; but then why not be ready to talk about that "similar energy" itself. - In chart comparisons of, say, committed heterosexual same-sex friends, one can say there is something basically sexual there (being handled differently), but it becomes increasingly hard to call it sexual.

And then there are the many cases where Venus-Mars combinations just mean "friction in relationships" (and not the good kind of friction). Oh, and what do you do in mundane astrology when a Venus-Mars aspect dominates a country's capital for a time? There might indeed be sex-related news, but that's usually not what leads. Most often, it is international tension, even war. - And many other things I'm not remembering on the fly.

Eventually, I settled on the one word passion to express the churning, boiling, hot emotions. Yes, sex is a primary expression of this. Other primitive behaviors that are instinctively connected to sex (like dominance-submission instincts, for example - not that different from instincts in fighting) also play out. Venus-Mars polarities play in different ways. But the one thing you can usually count on is passion. (And strongly Venus-Mars people tend to be passionate in most areas of their lives.)

That's why I didn't consider the interaction you described inappropriate for the aspect (which was probably incidental to the angular Mars itself).

Just to make things clear to your audience, am I right to conclude that what you are saying here is that a natal angle will not be affected at all in any way by a direct hit from Mars?

Not at all. It would be hit quite strongly, I am saying, though, that the phenomena you're tracking is one of the few places I find quotidians highly responsive on a day to day way. Fagan wrote once that there was no surer way to rectify a chart than to watch times of temper outbursts and find Mars on a quotidian angle; when I tried this and got weird results, Bradley turned me onto how Neptune is as likely a factor as Mars. I've seen this so often that when you said you were going to track these events, my mind went straight to this idea, and (going from memory without rereading the thread) it has hit on (nearly?) every example you've given, which is even better than I expected.

So therefore following Mars transits to natal angles is not a good method to rectify a chart?

On the specific idea of outbursts of temper, I think Mars or Neptune to quotidian angles is a much more reliable indicator. Not sure why; maybe because they hit harder and faster, whereas the transit drags through a little slower? (Just thinking aloud.)

If those conclusions are right, is the reason you think this to be the case my natal angles would not respond anymore after relocating, and only relocated angles would respond to Mars transits?

No, I'd never say that. If I had to choose, I'd always give primacy to the natal angles - the one thing that is never lost. But local angles are also responsive to transits. (A fast planet transit to my local angles seems about 70-80% as likely to produce a strong result as if it hits my natal angles.)

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:45 pm

Ok, I will keep watching these... I just kinda forgot all about it in the last few weeks, so I don't really remember if there was anything on relocated DSC. But Mars will soon hit n. MC as well as rel. MC, so I will keep watching.

The funny thing about my business partner and I is that I seem to be more Martian/upfront/direct and he more Venusian/soft.

I forgot to mention that in those same days mentioned before I also had this fallout with an old friend of mine / female, where she totally misunderstood my words and got really mad and offensive. She is ok now though.

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:23 am

Friday 20th of April
Three "attacks" ... but since I knew Mars was around an angle (MC this time) so that awareness was helpful in just trying to just keep my cool.

Nr. 1. Got a message from my business partner that had some built up things to say that were kind of aggressive to me and it felt accusing and attacking in a manner that I just decided that I had to keep my cool and take it calmly and invite him to just express his feelings and needs and perhaps then he'd listen to the other side from me and we could work it out from there, so I decided to not fight back, but just had a calm inviting meeting with him today to sort things out and it was a good one with a constructive talk and perhaps more understanding and deeper connection.

Nr.2. My son got into a physical fight with some kids at the park and a mother came charging at him and it was very aggressive and rude imo. I told myself to keep my cool to ask my kid about it after she had finished lashing out on him and I simply got his point of the story and then I went back to let those kids all say sorry to each other (as well as my son). So handled that one ok.

Nr. 3. Had drinks with my neighbour who was very vulnerable because she was opening up about some nasty things in her past. But she ended up being too drunk and shouting at me. I did answer back at that point telling her that even though she had difficult things in the past that I now knew about, it didn't give her permission to shout at me. She was kind of hysterical and she did come back to apologise pretty quickly...but I learnt that I need to be careful not to have her around me when she has had too much to drink.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:20 am

Excellent examples of keeping one's cool under a Mars transit Arena, damn good damage control. IMO, this is the true magic allowed by being conscious of our astro cycles. It has to do with understanding the Nature of things that we cross with our personal TIME frames. 'Timing is everything.'

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:26 am

Thanks Steve. Yes indeed, it becomes different when you are aware of the transits happening. But I did make a huge mistake by having drinks that night, I should have just stayed at home and not had one drop of alcohol. I don't just sit back calmly when I am under the influence, I will always answer back when people try to walk all over me or become rude. But this is indeed a learning experience, so next time with Mars anywhere near my angles I will not risk things getting out of hand by having a drink

... and also I have explained the Mars energy to my business partner and he got it and he understood when I said that it would be better to wait a couple of days for Mars to pass in to a safe distance before discussing anything at all

So hopefully, step by step, slowly but surely, I will learn how to manoeuvre my transits so that I will at least not make any drastic decisions or mistakes during them. I will just acknowledge the energy that is there and hopefully survive through the worst parts with my head partially protected by awareness.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:28 am

Yes, I agree, this time it does seem that the Mars transit to a natal angle (Mars exactly on yur MC for the day - if birth time is 11:40) is the signaling these. What a day! (You handled them well. Jupiter opposite your Moon is being good to you

)

The SNQ was no big deal (transiting Sun square Q Asc). The SQ was much more important, with Asc square Jupiter's opposition to your natal Moon. But there's not a Mars or Neptune in either Q (natal Mars about 2° from SQ Asc is pushing it).

So yes, I think Mars' transit to your natal MC is the best mark, and the Q-highlighted Jupiter transit to your natal Moon was your grace.

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:52 am

I know that maybe I should do this more consistently, but I just remember this thread when Mars shows up in a very prominent way to me as in when I recognise it being Martian energy.

Most of you know that my relationship has been going through hurdles for years now, most of the time it is just ok, sometimes it has been quite good, but then we take dives downwards where we get too heavy and sometimes have thought of just splitting up. So we've been going through a long time where we are usually ok with the thought of getting married - but then we don't do it when things turn downwards. I don't expect these ups and downs to ever be over, but I do hope they will disappear for a while when Saturn and Pluto move away from my natal angles. Saturn seems to be both about making people commit long term, but it can also cause breakups, especially when Pluto is around as well.

On Aug 18th we had another fight and I think it has to do with Mars transiting to relocated MC while Saturn is on n. DSC and Pluto on n. MC. IF I would measure just exact degree for Mars on rel. MC for the fight, this would mean a birthtime around 23.30. This time we both got very angry and I moved to the spare room for a whole week (longest time sleeping in separate beds in the same house) and we actually thought of separating again! ... But then I managed to turn it around a week later in a very sensual and sexual way on Aug 25th-27th - Mars still within that same degree, about to go direct again. And now this seems to have brought a new spark into the relationship again. Maybe that SSR Venus sq n. Venus also helps.

IF I move the birth time to 23.30 and cast the SSR to Lierna, Italy - then SSR Mars comes very close to the SSR ASC. But of course it might just be the transiting Mars causing this while around the rel. MC... I will see as the year unfolds. I am going to try my best to channel this Mars energy constructively instead of giving into arguments. It seems to be working out pretty well right now

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:53 am

Again.

Mars hit imo.

Last night around 9-10 pm. Negative Mars aggression.

IF a direct hit, it fits best with a hit to rel. ASC, relocated chart to Edinburgh with a birth time of around 23.23-23.25. IF a hit within a degree (which means a 2° range), the birth time should be between 23.22 - 23.27.

If not a hit - then the aggression was a strange thing to occur at that time, because t. Mars is not within a degree from opp my Neptune this time. But I sure can count on some kind of fighting/aggression from Mars when he transits this area.

There is no direct hit from this t. Mars to the SSR in Edinburgh nor Lierna.