Natal Signatures for Women who have experienced multiple divorces.

[SteveS]

Natal # 1. Note Saturn on Asc partile 90 Mars, enough said.
1: https://imgur.com/a/uTRN1

Natal # 2. Again, we see a very tight Mars-Saturn aspect with opposition from 1st house to 7th house (close relationships). Pluto is involved in this aspect. I asked her if she had ever been psychically abused. She said during childhood she had a psychically abusive Mother & Brother. Note six planets in fixed Signs with a partile 90 of Sun-Uranus. Mercury tight cnj MC. She is a very successful University teacher who teaches art classes. She is presently involved in another close romantic, somewhat troubled relationship.
2: https://imgur.com/a/lSsdB

Natal # 3. Note Venus oppose Saturn, classic for tough love situations. Natal Mars foreground with Mercury partile cnj MC. Mercury-Mars combos are seen in a lot of combative situations.
3: https://imgur.com/a/iXm6c

Natal # 4. (was not in group session) Again, we see the nasty Mars-Saturn combo. Mundo midpoint of Mars/Saturn=Dsc, with Saturn in 7th house of close relationships. Saturn oppose Uranus-Pluto cnj. This is a native for a very successful Psychic, maybe that partile Moon 120 Neptune.
4: https://imgur.com/a/fPfZV

None of the above Women in this group astrological session were previously versed in the language of Natal aspected astrology. When their Natal Chart aspected Signature symbolism was pointed out to them, and then each read Ebertin's delineation for their Natal Signatures, they all agreed among themselves their multiple divorces were ‘meant to be’ and all had a good laugh. In a sense, they appeared to have released a-lot of negativity built into their personal beings. More later. If you have any Natal's for multiple divorces, please post.

[Jim Eshelman]

Natal # 1. Note Saturn on Asc partile 90 Mars, enough said.
1: https://imgur.com/a/uTRN1

Additionally, don''t miss the near-partile Moon-Pluto mundane conjunction (1°07') on Descendant.

Natal # 3. Note Venus oppose Saturn, classic for tough love situations. Natal Mars foreground with Mercury partile cnj MC. Mercury-Mars combos are seen in a lot of combative situations.
3: https://imgur.com/a/iXm6c

Looking at the possibility of mundane aspects working in natals, Kelly's situation is even more acute. In the mundoscope:

26°41' Venus
28°08' Pluto
29°52' Saturn

Of particular interest to me, besides turning Venus-Saturn into Venus-Saturn-Pluto, is how acutely background these are (Saturn is 0°08' from a cadent cusp, the others close), This would deepen the sense of difficulty in expression and some kind of compensatory behavior.

Natal # 4. (was not in group session) Again, we see the nasty Mars-Saturn combo. Mundo midpoint of Mars/Saturn=Dsc, with Saturn in 7th house of close relationships. Saturn oppose Uranus-Pluto cnj. This is a native for a very successful Psychic, maybe that partile Moon 120 Neptune.
4: https://imgur.com/a/fPfZV

It's quite intriguing that this is almost in all cases a 1st/7th house positioning (and, of course, with quite similar planets). In Susan's case, Mars is square MC within 2°, Pluto 4° from Asc, Saturn 6° from Descendant, and a foreground Uranus.

This is a most interesting collection of charts. Thanks!

If you have any Natal's for multiple divorces, please post.

How many are you counting as "multiple"? Two or more? And are you only taking situations where it is a literal divorce, i.e., a legal marriage was involved?

[Jim Eshelman]

BTW, the most famous "multiple divorce" in modern times is Elizabeth Taylor, born February 27, 1932, 2:00 AM GMT, Golders Green, England. None of these patterns exist... then again, her life situation was quite different. (The only Horizon connection is her Mercury-Neptune opposition square Ascendant.)

BTW, something I consider more likely an indication of these particular women binding together, rather than of the thing that brought them together: I have noticed that when people form a gang or clique (or something that similarly draws then into tight social association), there is a commonality of Moon-signs. I noticed in Junior High and High School, for example, that little clique-clusters of girls nearly always had most of them with the same Moon-sign.

In this case, all four Moons are spokes: Two are in Gemini, one in Virgo, one in Pisces. (The Sun's almost had a Rim pattern, but one Taurus snuck in.) This Moon pattern doesn't surprise me in a group of women formed for mutual support.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

Two are in Gemini, one in Virgo, one in Pisces. (The Sun's almost had a Rim pattern, but one Taurus snuck in.) This Moon pattern doesn't surprise me in a group of women formed for mutual support.

Yes, I noticed that, and two of the close friends both have Mercury cnj their MC,s. And as usual, when I get hooked up with new friends, there is always very strong Mercury symbolism in their charts. Trying to get these women to join your forum--what is the best way for them to join where you will know they are legit, possibly interested in Sidereal Astrology?

[Jim Eshelman]

Trying to get these women to join your forum--what is the best way for them to join where you will know they are legit, possibly interested in Sidereal Astrology?

They should have no problem. We have security layers now where they have no extra hoops to jump througb except when they first post (for a short while) their posts have to be approved. JSAD, Danica, and I see these as they appear, and can click the post on through.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Your new friends should to to the main page (solunars.com) and click the register link under the moon, then follow instructions. There's a question about astrology (which helps filter out bots) and the first posts go to the admins so we can filter out spam and porn before it gets onto the forum. If they get the question wrong, they get a different question, and if they can't answer the questions, they can tag you for the answer.

We've pretty much solved the problems with the free email sites, but if any of your friends run into trouble, PM Dani or Jim or me and we can help.

[Jim Eshelman]

The larger question is: Steve has a Scorpio Moon. Should we let him be in a room filled with divorcees? <vbg>

[SteveS]

Thanks JSAD. Maybe one will join who has had some astrological experience in the past. If I understand, anyone who wants to join can simply 'tag' my forum name, and this gets them in, correct?

Jim wrote:

The larger question is: Steve has a Scorpio Moon. Should we let him be in a room filled with divorcees? <vbg>

Now if I was single and a little younger, I would be in a very advantageous situation.

[Jim Eshelman]

Thanks JSAD. Maybe one will join who has had some astrological experience in the past. If I understand, anyone who wants to join can simply 'tag' my forum name, and this gets them in, correct?

No, I don't know of anytbing they can do like that. They need to register.

Until they register, they can't Message you, etc. But the usual process of register, get an automatic email, then click the link to the email - and they;re in.

If necessary, they can also use the Posts by Guests forum at the top to get help registering. Nonmembers can post there, and its intended as a faster way for them to get ouor attention.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Following the regular registration process, which is entirely automated, is fastest. The only reason to post in the guest forum would be if someone ran into problems.

It's not hard to register. Most people should find it simple and a less than five minute process, depending on the speed of their email provider. Just tell people to click the link to register and follow directions.

Someone would "tag" you by sending text to your phone or maybe calling you. Nothing to do with the forum. If someone can't answer the astrological question, they can tag you to get the answer.

[Jim Eshelman]

The most common problem is that they don't see the authentication email. Nearly always, this is because it ends up in their Junk Mail folder.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

The most common problem is that they don't see the authentication email. Nearly always, this is because it ends up in their Junk Mail folder.

Are they told to do what is necessary on their end, so as, they will be sure to see the 'authentication email? Since I am a long time member, I can't see the step by step registration process.

[Jim Eshelman]

Steve, you might want to Simply create a new account. I can delete it for you later. You will need a second email address. Everything is explained, I think, except things that are dependent on their own personal email system and how it operates.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

You will need a second email address.

Can someone PM me the email address I am using? Will I need to use another computer to registrar a new email ? Help Sorry to be such a dunce, but I want to make sure I can relay to possible new interested students the exact instructions for making sure they complete their registration.

[Jim Eshelman]

Can someone PM me the email address I am using?

Done. You can just go to Gmail.com or Outlook.com and make up a new one.

Will I need to use another computer to registrar a new email ?

No.

[SteveS]

But, I still don't see anything to click pertaining to registration on my computer screen; therefore, I can't write out the precise detailed instructions to give other interested parties who may want to join forum. I assume the reason I don't see a registration button is because I am already a member.

OK, here is what I am going to do today. I meet today with one of the women I met last week. I am going to tell her to take her laptop and go to www.solunars.com ---hopefully she will see a registration button on the solunars site. If so, then I will closely watch her as she goes through the registration process, writing down the detailed instructions so I may pass on to any other possible new student who may want to join in order to start their learning process with Sidereal Astrology. This will allow me to relay any one solunars specific link I may need to direct a new student and their questions for their individual learning process. This is what is needed on my end if I start encountering more new students interested in Sidereal Astrology. Otherwise, we siderealists will take our Sidereal Astrology knowledge/learning to our graves/urns.

[Jim Eshelman]

Steve, you won't see it as long as you're logged in. In the upper right corner is your name with a little arrow. Click that, then logout. Then you'll see things like someone not yet registered.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Steve, Solunars isn't a closed site. People don't need to register with the site to be able to access any pages you direct them to with links.

Try giving your friend with the laptop a link you want her to be able to access. She won't have any trouble whether she registers or not.

People only need to register if they want to post. But you can give out links to information here without worrying about telling somebody how to register.

[Arena]

If it was up to me, I would point out some very good aspects for relationships in the latter part of their lives:

1. Lori should relocate to a place near her Venus-Jup lines or Venus-Sun.

2. Kim should relocate to a place near her Venus and Moon lines.

3. Kelly's best hope is her Jupiter line.

4. Susan might be good at her Jupiter line or in between her Venus and Mercury lines.

I would show them those places on a map.

[SteveS]

I hear you Arena, but all these single Women have good Careers and love their work, also with children/grandchildren nearby.

JSAD wrote:

People only need to register if they want to post. But you can give out links to information here without worrying about telling somebody how to register.

Yes, I have already given links to people where they can read about their Sidereal Sun/Moon signs. During my recent flurry with women with multiple divorces, I met another single woman (never married) who is retired from NASA. Her specialty---computers and program writing. Also, claims she is a wiz with Facebook Pages and Social media. I meet with her tomorrow with many questions to see if she may help us on this forum, maybe with a specialized simple Sidereal Astrology program. She is going to do my Facebook Page, and I want a simple Sidereal Astrology program on my Facebook page. She seems to be very interested in Sidereal Astrology. She is supposed to be joining our forum today, maybe under the name Melody. Since she is retired, I want her to look at Solarfire to see if she may be able to help me better utilize Solarfire for my personal needs. Anyway, part of my Jupiter cycle with t. Jupiter slow in motion on my Natal Asc--hooking me-up with new people, expanding my Horizon. Whether or not anything of substance happens, remains to be known, but I am hoping (Jupiter).

[Arena]

I hear you Arena, but all these single Women have good Careers and love their work, also with children/grandchildren nearby.

You can advise them to spend long holidays in those areas with good astrological energies. They might meet some nice people

[SteveS]

I will Arena, if they happen to ask for good vacations spots.

[SteveS]

Note Natal Chart's links 1&2 with very prominent Mars-Saturn aspects. On pg 174 in Robert Hand's book 'Horoscope Symbols' he writes:

In women's charts, Mars-Saturn often signifies difficulties with males in general. In charts of both sexes, often associated with difficult father relationships.

[Jim Eshelman]

Yeah, that's a classic and valid view. I actually thought of that sort of thing when I read your original report, and didn't think to say anything - al the variations of that theme fall together well.

I'm glad you said it out loud

[SteveS]

Thanks Jim, when I get in the same study room with you and Hand, I am enlighten by the light.

[Freya]

I have a Mars-Saturn conjunction, angular on the IC when relocated to Southampton England. Does that make me a candidate for multile divorces? I am getting married again next year!

[Jim Eshelman]

Not necessarily. It draws out struggle and combat in general. It makes you kick and squirm more.

Squirming is fine; kicking leaves bruises.

If the relationship is sound, you're good.

[mikestar13]

I have a Mars-Saturn conjunction, angular on the IC when relocated to Southampton England. Does that make me a candidate for multile divorces? I am getting married again next year!

Best wishes. May this be the marriage that lasts! Jim's advice is quite sound. Although I'm a guy, I know that Mars-Saturn (Taurus Mars angular in fist opposite Scorpio Saturn angular in seventh.) My first marriage was late (41 years old) and after I clean up the wreckage of the last twenty years, I'm game for Marriage 2.0, and it fails I may try 3.0 as the stars grant. Love the one you marry as well as you can for as long as you can. If it turns out not to be for life, get out, lick you wounds, pick yourself up and try again if you wish, with neither guilt nor shame attached to it. Ultimately the only soul you have to answer for is your own. Blessing always, may the stars watch over you.

[By Jove]

Good luck, Freya. I hope your marriage is a success.

[Freya]

Thank you guys, ultimately we are responsible for our own actions. I am getting used to my life theme of constant struggle unforunately

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

When you tell your parents you're getting married, don't give them the exact place or time. Wait till they get into town and arrange to have them picked up (maybe in a limo) to arrive at the festivities. Then they can't tell your sister anything other than the date. Less fussing over how you treat your sister that way.