Signs/Constellations and Their Corresponding Body Parts

[TheScales_BothWays]

Originally posted by myself on Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:08 pm
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May I know which body parts do the signs/constellations represent, especially by the format used most here, with Libra as the head/face?
For some signs, it's easy to find out — for Virgo, it has to be the feet — but for other signs it's kinda confusing. Like what would Aquarius represent? The abdomen, or the back?

[TheScales_BothWays]

Jim Eshelman on Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:19 am

May I know which body parts do the signs/constellations represent, especially by the format used most here, with Libra as the head/face?
For some signs, it's easy to find out — for Virgo, it has to be the feet — but for other signs it's kinda confusing. Like what would Aquarius represent? The abdomen, or the back?

Fagan made an excellent theoretical case for the assignments being exactly the opposite of the usual table that appears in most astrology books; that is, of Libra being the head rather than Aries. I casually saw numerous instances of this being true and then, when Dr. Margaret Millard's book on medical astrology came out in the late '70s or early '80s, I found that most examples strongly supported the Fagan model.

But it isn't uniform - you can find exceptions - and I think there may be reciprocity where, in some sense, Aries and Libra both correspond to the head. We haven't done nearly enough research on this.

Millard is an interesting astrological figure, by the way. I first knew her as a Siderealist. (I'm sure she began as a Tropicalist, and then moved to Sidereal.) She wrote quite a lot for Spica in the '70s. Then her book came out as a totally Tropical book (but it was easy enough to convert the charts to Sidereal, even though she didn't publish the birth data itself).

So, roughly, here would be the table:

Libra - head (where the organs of balance are located)
Scorpio - neck and throat
Sagittarius - shoulders, arms, bronchial passages, lungs
Capricorn - breasts, stomach
Aquarius - heart, circulatory system
Pisces - lower abdomen, navel, intestines, pancreas [I add that because of numerous pancreatic cancer cases with Pisces Moon]
Aries - buttocks, uterus
Taurus - genitals
Gemini - legs, especially thighs
Cancer - knees, joints in general
Leo - ankles and lower legs, but also low back
Virgo - feet

[TheScales_BothWays]

TheScales_BothWays on Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:41 pm

Thanks!

Taurus - genitals

Hmm, so Sidereal Taurus is now the Sidereal counterpart for the archetype of the very sexual and sensual Tropical Scorpio, eh? (But of course, for Taurus, this is true )

[TheScales_BothWays]

jamescondor on Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:07 am

Funny I saw this post because I was thinking about Sun signs and Chakras and how they might relate. In some Indian religions a chakra or wheel, cycle or circle is an energy centers of the body. See the connection to the zodiac-wheel, cycle, circle. I've read the 7 main chakras are root, sacrum, navel, heart, throat, third eye and crown. Hands and feet are considered energy points too and so can be added making 9 and so equal to zodiac signs.
After time I realize the difficulty in making this connection as parallel as possible. Allot of information on chakras and I'm trying to narrow them down into fundamentals. Chakras can be balanced more or less, over active or under active. I assume a balanced chakra is the fundamental essence the entire wheel, every sign. Under active is considered a lack of essence in sign. Over active is considered compensation for the under active. So overactive shows the sign. So take Gemini and Pisces. They tend to be nervous and fearful more than grounded, stable and secure. So they have an underactive root=-Root. Where as Taurus and Libra can be overactive in root leading to greed, and obsessed with security.

Root is about feeling grounded, stable and secure. Being physically here and now. Color red. Base of spine or taint. Reproductive organs?
Sacrum is about feelings flowing freely without being over emotional Creativity. Color orange. Reproductive organs? Kidneys? Idk
Navel is being assertive in a group, control, sound self esteem. Power center. Color yellow. Digestion and metabolism. Belly button area.
Heart is about love, compassion, harmony. Color green. Immune system.
Throat is about communication and healthy self expression. Color blue. Thyroid.
Third eye is about intuition, insight, visualization. Color violet. Pineal gland. Point between eye brows.
Crown is about inner wisdom. Consciousness. Awareness. Being one with the world. Pituitary gland. Top of head

Based on my connection with chakras:(subject to change)

Aries + Navel and throat -Sacral and -Heart
Taurus +Root and Heart, -Navel
Gemini +Throat. -Root, -Crown (+hands)
Cancer + Sacral, Third Eye and Root -Throat -Navel
Leo + Navel -Crown
Virgo +Crown -Sacral (+feet)
Libra + Root and Heart. -Navel, -Crown
Scorpio + Navel. -Heart
Sagittarius + Third Eye -Sacral
Capricorn +Root and Navel. -Heart, -Third Eye
Aquarius + Throat and Crown, -Navel and -Third Eye
Pisces+ Third Eye, Sacral and Heart -Root -Navel

[TheScales_BothWays]

SteveS on Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:36 pm

FWIW, take this from this Virgo. Right before I started running into slight heart problems, weird things started happening to my feet.

[TheScales_BothWays]

jamescondor on Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:04 am

That's interesting because if Virgo rules the feet then any imbalance or dis-ease may show more pronounced in the feet.

[TheScales_BothWays]

SteveS on Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:44 am

Jamescondor wrote:

That's interesting because if Virgo rules the feet then any imbalance or dis-ease may show more pronounced in the feet.

Yes, I agree. I have a-lot of respect for my Doc, and when I first went to him pertaining to the weird things happening with my feet, he told me the doctoring profession does not really know the exact causes for ageing feet problems. With Virgo’s pertaining to unknown feet problems, it could be a way for a Virgo to know the body is signaling something is wrong—heath-wise. In my case, my feet problems definitely were a forerunner to my later discovered heart problems. I also think Doctors have their own strong suspicions with their patients with certain heath conditions—but remain silent---not to overly alarm a patient. It could be in my case; I am experiencing early heart signs for possibility a later diagnosed congenital heart ‘disease.’ We all gotta die of “something.”

[mikestar13]

IIRC, there was also a scheme proposed where Taurus was the head and Aries was the feet. I would guess this would date from around the time period Fagan started calculating Noviens based on 0 Taurus--this was an era when a lot of emphasis on "Taurus is the first constellation, not Aries". BTW, my own opinion about the first constellation is that there isn't one--the zodiac is a circle with neither beginning nor end. But one may be chosen for a particular astrological purpose as being more useful, and different purposes may have different choices. If someone put a gun to my head and forced me to choose one for all purposes, I would pick Capricorn, based on the importance of Capsolars/ Caplunars in mundane astrology and as analogues to the SSR/SLR.

[Jim Eshelman]

IIRC, there was also a scheme proposed where Taurus was the head and Aries was the feet.

I don't recall ever seeing this.

[Avshalom Binyamin]

I think this corresponds to fetishes:

Libra: Into pretty faces
Scorpio: Neck biters
Sagittarius: Goes for sexy arms, shoulders
Capricorns: Sucker for good breasts/Chest nuzzler
Aquarius: The one sign that transcends physical containers and cares about your heart
Pisces: Chubby chasers (can't resist a soft tummy), or into six-pack abs.
Aries: aff men/women
Taurus: Oral fixation
Gemini: Leg men/women
Cancer: Will pinch your joints
Leo: Doggy-style enthusiasts
Virgo: Foot fetish

[Jim Eshelman]

Leave it to a Virgo to notice that part and get it right!

[Avshalom Binyamin]

[FlorencedeZ.]

Aquarius: The one sign that transcends physical containers and cares about your heart

I really love this one.

[Soft Alpaca]

Reading the backwards list I cringed so hard. I see where some of its coming from however disagree. Why the sagittal Plane is broken easily by doing a forward or reverse lunge but there are other ways to break it. Saggitarius relates to sagital your throat is very much unrelated to this. Maybe I'm just making things up but doesn't Mercury rule speach? (Gemini).

[Jim Eshelman]

Why the sagittal Plane is broken easily by doing a forward or reverse lunge but there are other ways to break it.

I'm unclear what you are saying about the vertical left-right division of the body, or how it applies to what was written above.

Maybe I'm just making things up but doesn't Mercury rule speach? (Gemini).

Well, it represents the process of communication, one means of which is speech. OTOH it also represents motion, transportation, going, so having its two constellations connected to the legs and feet is certainly not inappropriate. (Sagittarius a figure with primarily the upper extremities and, more generally, the upper torso in action.)

[Soft Alpaca]

Sag moves more with its lower body. It has double the limbs.

Sagittal comes from Sagitta meaning arow, the arrow only crosses this plain.

Sagittal deals with the line that runs through the body splitting it in half. Leanardo DaVinci used it to diagram the brain. If you take a humans brain and split it down this way, the Broca's and Wernicke's Areas (that make speech interpretion and the ability to speak possible) aren't even there. Much like an arrow is about action not speech.

Also if you look at traditional images of Gemini they are conjoined by the arms, not the legs.

Back when tropical astrology was correct they studied the medical issues of the signs, Capricorn has issues with the knees so I could see the point in where it's sister sign rules it but otherwise it seems like backward thinking...

[Jim Eshelman]

Sagittal comes from Sagitta meaning arow, the arrow only crosses this plain.

What plane? The vertical axis of the body? If I say yeah, sure, got it... what would that possibly mean about the distribution of body zones vertically?

Sagittal deals with the line that runs through the body splitting it in half. Leanardo DaVinci used it to diagram the brain. If you take a humans brain and split it down this way, the Broca's and Wernicke's Areas (that make speech interpretion and the ability to speak possible) aren't even there. Much like an arrow is about action not speech.

I'm still utterly at a loss as to what this has to do with the above.

Back when tropical astrology was correct

It never was. At no point in history was it correct. (Or, I suppose you could say it was when it temporarily was indiscernible from the Sidereal zodiac.)

they studied the medical issues of the signs, Capricorn has issues with the knees so I could see the point in where it's sister sign rules it but otherwise it seems like backward thinking...

I doubt there was ever very much such study done at all. The entire literature is after-the-fact hindsight justification.

Besides, you talk as if the Tropical attributions preceded the Sidereal. They did not. They came long after.

[Soft Alpaca]

Ok. Yes that's what I meant, when they aligned.