Lance's Two Daughters

[Lance]

Eve
Feb 9, 2014
12:19 pm
Beaumont, TX

Ellie
Feb 6, 2017
9:20 AM
Beaumont, TX

I worry about these two. Each has a Saturn to the other's Mars though I'm not sure how to rate the strength of each. We, of course, want them to be great friends, but I know that doesn't always happen. I would really appreciate some comments on their synastry as I don't have a lot of experience with how these interactions actually play out.

Thank you.

[Jim Eshelman]

I think outweighing many things in these charts is that, born three years apart, they both fall in the same 1/144th of the population that has Sun in Capricorn and Moon in Taurus!

This could be quite confusing. In some ways it makes them like twins, and I'd expect a kind of closeness similar to what twins have.


Eve is surely the more dominant. Besides being three years older, she has Sun on MC square Saturn on WP + Moon closely trine Mars. Ellie no push-over with Mars closely rising, though Venus and Mars together give her grace and charm as well.

See this month's Moon in Taurus discussion. Everybody pretty much agrees that Taurus Moons can be kinda whack sometimes, and I think this is more true when they become teenage girls than not. (I think it's because they feel things strongly and are powerfully moved and driven by their feelings.) You'll have your hands full, but likely not in a bad way.

Speaking of teenage years, I hope that both of the parents of these girls are, uh, really open-minded about sex. And, while maintaining appropriate safety and discipline, there are few things you could do to push them into intensive rebellion than be highly controlling.

Now, for their charts together besides the luminary similarity: It's not just signs, it's degrees. Their Suns are conjunct and their Moons conjunct. (Same remarks as above). I'm not too worried about the Mars-Saturn interchanges: The sesqui-square one way is close but minor compared to other things, and I wouldn't pay any serious attention to the sextile going the other direction.

An interesting paradox: Eve has the more dominant chart, but Ellie has her Sun on Eve's MC. I'm not going to over-interpret that, but it does give her one avenue to domiance.

The comparison is good overall, with the umbrella effect of those luminary alignments. The other main aspects are Ellie Mars to Eve's Uranus, and a Mercury-Mars (moderate-orbed) square. These are volatile, but I think not outside the range of normal sibling relations.

M only concern is Ellie's Saturn partile opposie Eve's Saturn. That seems harsh. There will be some hurt feelings from that. It may indicate some severity that needs parental attention and moderation. I guess just keep an eye out for it.

[Lance]

I think outweighing many things in these charts is that, born three years apart, they both fall in the same 1/144th of the population that has Sun in Capricorn and Moon in Taurus!

We had problems conceiving. April tax return plus a May fertility clinic visit each time. lol

This could be quite confusing. In some ways it makes them like twins, and I'd expect a kind of closeness similar to what twins have.

Eve is surely the more dominant. Besides being three years older, she has Sun on MC square Saturn on WP + Moon closely trine Mars. Ellie no push-over with Mars closely rising, though Venus and Mars together give her grace and charm as well.

Yeah... Eve is more moody. Ellie (Elizabeth) is more physically active (climbing on everything) and seems to always have a smile and a hug ready.

See this month's Moon in Taurus discussion. Everybody pretty much agrees that Taurus Moons can be kinda whack sometimes, and I think this is more true when they become teenage girls than not. (I think it's because they feel things strongly and are powerfully moved and driven by their feelings.) You'll have your hands full, but likely not in a bad way.

Will do.

Speaking of teenage years, I hope that both of the parents of these girls are, uh, really open-minded about sex. And, while maintaining appropriate safety and discipline, there are few things you could do to push them into intensive rebellion than be highly controlling.

You've mentioned that before when just speaking about Eve, but you didn't say what it was. Is it just the Capricorn Sun/Taurus Moon?

I can only hope we're appropriate with it. I don't think I've personally ever heard my own parents speak the word "sex" (old school Baptists), but my wife and I are way more open-minded and straightforward about it.

Now, for their charts together besides the luminary similarity: It's not just signs, it's degrees. Their Suns are conjunct and their Moons conjunct. (Same remarks as above). I'm not too worried about the Mars-Saturn interchanges: The sesqui-square one way is close but minor compared to other things, and I wouldn't pay any serious attention to the sextile going the other direction.

Thank you for your comments. I was afraid they (and I) were cursed with that.

An interesting paradox: Eve has the more dominant chart, but Ellie has her Sun on Eve's MC. I'm not going to over-interpret that, but it does give her one avenue to dominance.

The comparison is good overall, with the umbrella effect of those luminary alignments. The other main aspects are Ellie Mars to Eve's Uranus, and a Mercury-Mars (moderate-orbed) square. These are volatile, but I think not outside the range of normal sibling relations.

So you're saying I'm not entirely out of the woods. lol.

M only concern is Ellie's Saturn partile opposite Eve's [Moon]. That seems harsh. There will be some hurt feelings from that. It may indicate some severity that needs parental attention and moderation. I guess just keep an eye out for it.

Man, we're going to try!

Thanks again.

[Jim Eshelman]

Speaking of teenage years, I hope that both of the parents of these girls are, uh, really open-minded about sex. And, while maintaining appropriate safety and discipline, there are few things you could do to push them into intensive rebellion than be highly controlling.

You've mentioned that before when just speaking about Eve, but you didn't say what it was. Is it just the Capricorn Sun/Taurus Moon?

Yes, the Cap Sun is sufficient for "acting like goats," and the Taurus Moon stirs the Eros more. Then Ellie has Venus and Mars tightly wrapped arund her Ascendant (in Pisces). - The rebellion is especially the Capricorn Suns (alone is sufficient) plus miscellaneous autonomy-individuality things like various Saturn and/or Mars emphases.

One side of Ellie's Mars conjunct Eve's Uranus is that they push each other to take risks.

An interesting paradox: Eve has the more dominant chart, but Ellie has her Sun on Eve's MC. I'm not going to over-interpret that, but it does give her one avenue to dominance.

The comparison is good overall, with the umbrella effect of those luminary alignments. The other main aspects are Ellie Mars to Eve's Uranus, and a Mercury-Mars (moderate-orbed) square. These are volatile, but I think not outside the range of normal sibling relations.

So you're saying I'm not entirely out of the woods. lol.

You're a parent. You're never out of the woods