Natal Chart - Scarlet Depths

[Jim Eshelman]

By what you have said

Sun:angular and dignified
Mercury: angular

Jupiter: dignifed and via luminary

Pluto:via luminary (possibly dignified)
Saturn:via luminary

Yes: As I said, Saturn about 5th most imporant. (Moon's trine to Saturn, though close, is a much lesser thing than Moon's square to Pluto - the square is dynamic, the trine is static).

At this point, I'd probably put Mercury ahead of Sun, since it's within 1° of Ascendant, though Sun has two marks for it: widely foreground + Moon-sign ruler.

So Mercury and Sun roughly tied (Mercury having an edge), Jupiter and Pluto roughly tied, Saturn in the 5th place.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Jim, Is the Sun angular or just foreground (and which chart are you talking about? The 7:28 AM chart or the 6:52 AM chart? )

[Jim Eshelman]

Jim, Is the Sun angular or just foreground (and which chart are you talking about? The 7:28 AM chart or the 6:52 AM chart? )

I'm talking (and think Scarlet is talking) about 6:52, with Sun 8°+ below Ascendant.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

I count that as a foreground Sun, but not angular. I use tighter orbs than most, I think. I count my Sun at 3°25' from the AC as widely angular.

[Soft Alpaca]

I can say that I would agree with it being foreground and not angular. I can't say how much dignity is stronger or weaker than lunar aspects. (Ie I can't say that the Sun being dignified by the Moon makes it stronger than say my Pluto through it's moon connection).

Id almost have to ask if I come across as pitcularly Solarian.

[Jim Eshelman]

I can say that I would agree with it being foreground and not angular. I can't say how much dignity is stronger or weaker than lunar aspects. (Ie I can't say that the Sun being dignified by the Moon makes it stronger than say my Pluto through it's moon connection).

Yes, Sun being the primary theme of your Moon-sign, you are dramatically solar for any birth time having Sun foreground pumps this up a lot more.

Obviously it would be even stronger yet if we were to use the 7:30-ish birth time that has Sun exactly rising and Mercury, by then, barely foreground. It's a gradient.

In most cases, "angular" vs. "foreground" is a semantical distinction. I find it most useful when a planet is on one of the lesser angles, such as Eastpoint or Zenith, and is clearly angular (on an angle) but not technically in the foreground zone (10° either side of horizon or meridian as measured along the prime vertical): It is clearly angular but we can't accurately say it's foreground. I think JSAD is using "angular" the way I would use "immediate foreground," i.e., foreground within fairly small orbs (say, 3° or less).

Id almost have to ask if I come across as pitcularly Solarian.
There are other planets that could conspire to give a similar traits set but, yes, sure, Sun is definitely one of them. You stand large, claiming and owning a disproportionately great amount of psychic space. You tend to make things acutely about you, personally - for example, judging the truth of a thing by what it says about you personally rather than a more arms-distant scientific view, i.e., putting yourself fundamentally at the center of the conversation. You seem warm, friendly, and generous despite your efforts to portray yourself as a tight curmudgeon. You seem to live your life on a quest, unsettled and dissatisfied (which is typical of solar figures that haven't yet found the central purpose and singular mission of their incarnation).

[Soft Alpaca]

Interesting. Thanks Jim for clarifying. I think I'm perceived as moody (let's face it I know I am) but also sometimes perceived as cold (which is just me when i actualy got to get sh1+ done). I have a question on what planet combinations point at wild behavior? I try to hide it and I am good at it in public, but there has every sense I was little been a wild side. (I wasn't loud or communicative but rather off the deep end and I still am today, it's just better composed. "Im fruity" is how people put it nicely).

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Id almost have to ask if I come across as pitcularly Solarian.
You tend to make things acutely about you, personally - for example, judging the truth of a thing by what it says about you personally rather than a more arms-distant scientific view, i.e., putting yourself fundamentally at the center of the conversation.

Yes, Scarlet, I'd say you come across as particularily solar.
(Your "pitcularly" spelling is a real pleasure - it's linguistically distinct to that area of the Mid-Atlantic, and I haven't heard it for a long while.)

[Soft Alpaca]

I don't know how I'm angular Mercury. I'm bad at math and analytical stuffs, I can't spell, and my English is sub par. I'm really good at body langue and hypersensitive to touch however, also I'm accidently aggressive ie putting too much force into handling things without realising it.

Curious why we don't look at dignity past the luminary signs. Ie my Jupiter in Aries would slightly dignify my Pluto and Mars? I would place Mars right after Saturn on the list of planetary dominants in my chart either way. However Pluto being in slight dignity would explain my deeper connection with it (it goes further than Saturn and is equal to Jupiter) however maybe that's the hard aspect to the Moon (except Jupiter is at a hard aspect too).

Do i come across as pitcularly Pluto/Jupiter/Mercury strong?

I must state that the Sun/being Solarian is rather shallow, I feel like when it comes down to it other Solarian people's traits shine through very powerfully and mine is more expressive (surface level). I only keep up the solar archetype for so much and then it drops.

[Soft Alpaca]

I also must say that Pluto-Mercury-Jupiter all aspect each other and the Sun does not aspect any of them, so when interpreting the planetary energies I have read Pluto-Jupiter,Pluto-Mercury, and Jupiter-Mercury
I consider these (in addition with Angular Mercury, Moon-Jupiter and Moon Pluto) as the founding aspects of my chart. When looking at the Sun do i simply read angular Sun? It doesn't "mix", kind of like my chart is one painting with two pictures on it.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

It doesn't mix because of the lack of aspects. You're more complex than most. Not better. Not more complicated. Just more complex. Multi-faceted. Why is that a bad thing?

[Jim Eshelman]

I don't know how I'm angular Mercury. I'm bad at math and analytical stuffs, I can't spell, and my English is sub par.

I suspect that's cultural, not capacity.

Curious why we don't look at dignity past the luminary signs.

It's not that one never does, but that we have to put it in perspective. Sun and Moon are as much "bigger" in the chart as they are in the sky. They are the planets called the "personal points," which bind characteristics more directly. Sun and Moon together are many dozens of times more important than all the rest of the planets put together.

Sun' diameter in the sky is 0°32' wide. Moon varies more, but averages about the same. Venus, which is generally the next largest-seeming object in the sky, varies from 10" to 66" in angular diameter: Sun is 29 to 192 times as wide as Venus, and about 50 times as wide as Jupiter, etc.

As the areas of a circle is radius x 2 x Pi, the overall amount of space displaced (the proportionate size of the disk) is more than six times these values, i.e., Sun's disk takes up 200 to 1,200 times as much space as Venus.

This may just be a metaphor. (Maybe not, but I suspect it is.) It creates the spaces to make a point, though: What seems to be true in astrology (from statistics and from watching astrology work) is that Sun and Moon are dramatically more important in a natal chart in exactly the same way (and perhaps the same magnitude) as their disks dominate the sky.

Do i come across as pitcularly Pluto/Jupiter/Mercury strong?

Pluto, yes. Jupiter, harder to say but generally in some of the same ways I mentioned under Sun. Mercury... I'm torn, which perhaps I shouldn't be since tis proposed birthtime has it so exact. You don't seem to have the fine sense of needing facts to be right and to be logically interconnected. However, there are other Mercury traits that show well on you, not necessarily ones you like the best (e.g., fueling your anxiety patterns).

I must state that the Sun/being Solarian is rather shallow

It's actually the least shallow of the planets in some respects. Sun has been, for millennia, the symbol of the highest perfection of humanity, the ideal toward which all other expressions of all planets are merely incidents of one grand, golden harmony. Admittedly, that's a hard standard to bear in a mere mortal body

With Sun, it's all about the center, with the idea that the inmost is the truest. All about gold, with the understanding that under the image of gold alchemists and others have long represented the highest expression of any single thing. And so on.

I feel like when it comes down to it other Solarian people's traits shine through very powerfully and mine is more expressive (surface level). I only keep up the solar archetype for so much and then it drops.

There are introvert and extravert expressions of each of the planets.a

[Jim Eshelman]

I also must say that Pluto-Mercury-Jupiter all aspect each other and the Sun does not aspect any of them, so when interpreting the planetary energies I have read Pluto-Jupiter,Pluto-Mercury, and Jupiter-Mercury

There is a distinction to draw here. Aspects don't give strength to an idea - rather, it shows how different ideas interact with each other.

BTW, there is no Mercury-Pluto aspect.

I consider these (in addition with Angular Mercury, Moon-Jupiter and Moon Pluto) as the founding aspects of my chart.

If you'd said Mars instead of Pluto I would agree... oh but your left out Venus-Mars, which towers over all the aspects except Moon-Pluto.

When looking at the Sun do i simply read angular Sun? It doesn't "mix", kind of like my chart is one painting with two pictures on it.

Ask yourself, "How angular is the Sun, and what qualifies or conditions it?" Sun is foreground, so it's in the "strong" rather than "weak" or "moderate" zone of expressiveness. It is conditioned by its placement in Sagittarius and no close aspects. It has a moderately strong trine with Moon, which is of note, and a very weak trine to Saturn, probably not worth noting. So, the primary coloration is traits from being in Sagittarius, plus extra importance and prominence from your Leo Moon and the Moon-Sun trine.

Yes, charts often have several more or less autonomous units. If you look at my chart, you'll see Mercury-Saturn standing on their own. Sun then stands on its own except for exceptionally weak connections to two planets. The rest of the planets are all incestuously wined around each other.

[Soft Alpaca]

Pluto Mercury is a weak quarter-septile. I should say my Mars-Venus makes my whole chart look like a bunny except for Pluto-Moon. My aunt (who is rather strict in a Virgo sense) comments that "I can dance just fine, as long as their is a pole around". I don't feel need to talk about the parts of me that are undisputed (ie i have no insecurities) towards being "sexually intuitive". I mostly don't get sexual attention because I use Pluto to separate myself from that life style (as a gay male allergic to latex). However when i move to NY all bets are off, also i'm hard to please but good at pleasing (in everything really). I just don't know what to do with Mars-Venus (especially in the signs they are in!) that is "productive". Any advice?


I remember you once basically told me if the shoe fits wear it, and the one thing that i'm good at, better than leading (and being Plutonian)is sexual stuff. My family doesn't want to see me be a stripper or a male escort, but its intrinsic, second nature.

[Jim Eshelman]

Pluto Mercury is a weak quarter-septile.

Yeah, let's skip those in favor of aspects that are known to have definite effect on the character and which we have an understanding of how they work (and demonstration that they do, in fact, work), k?

I should say my Mars-Venus makes my whole chart look like a bunny except for Pluto-Moon.

Oh, yes... sweet bunny... the aspect most common for convicted murderers

I just don't know what to do with Mars-Venus (especially in the signs they are in!) that is "productive". Any advice?

Don't worry about the signs for a while, focus on the fact of the aspect. That one is all about the passion - not just sex, but passionate intensity in general. You can surely find plenty to bring that to.

I remember you once basically told me if the shoe fits wear it, and the one thing that i'm good at, better than leading (and being Plutonian)is sexual stuff. My family doesn't want to see me be a stripper or a male escort, but its intrinsic, second nature.

Tips are good

[Soft Alpaca]

I'm a hopeless romantic Jim. I'm pretty sure that it was the Mars-Venus aspect that i was confusing as Scorpio energy. Not sure how to focus on it, with Pluto already making my emotions volatile doesn't need the help from Mars-Venus lol.

I think That Mars/Venus (midpoint) is in a grandtrine with the Moon and Saturn, but it might be to soft to get anything from.

I can say passionate describes me just as well as having intensified reactions. This is one of my humbling aspects, i don't mind being called egotistical or snobby (as most of it is just perceived but not accurate), however being called a whore,rapist,slut etc. i don't take well to that. (with the exception of Gigolo because my real name is jay, so it get gigolo (jay) as a nickname).

[Jim Eshelman]

I think That Mars/Venus (midpoint) is in a grandtrine with the Moon and Saturn, but it might be to soft to get anything from.

Well, there might be something else there - a different way of looking at it.
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You are correct - ignore trines to midpoints. But with your Venus/Mars midpoint at 15°04' Gemini-Sagittarius, one can tell by the partile trines to Moon and Saturn that the Venus/Mars midpoint is conjunct the Moon/Saturn midpoint! In fact, Moon/Saturn is 15°29' Gemini-Sagittarius, so they are only 0°25' from exact contact.

Midpoints aspect midpoints (by hard aspects). This is advanced Cosmobiology technique, and rather routine Uranian astrology technique. It would be written as:

Mo/Sa = Ve/Ma

Take the Venus/Mars main ideas and mere the with the Noon/Saturn main ideas.

ADVANCED: This sort of ideas is where the co-called Arabian Parts came from. Midpoints are also called half-sums, because you calculate them by adding their longitudes together and dividing by 2. By multiplying the above (both sides of the equation) by 2 again, we could write it:

Moon + Saturn = Venus + Mars

This let's you manipulate the equation all sorts of ways. For example, subtract Venus from both sides:

Moon + Saturn - Venus = Mars

If you are familiar with Arabian Parts, see how the equation is preserved. We could come up with a point called something like "The Part of Disappointment in Love," Mo + Sa - Ve, and discover that, lo and behold, you have Mars on that "part." All that means, though, is that Mo/Sa = Ve/Ma.

Of you could invent a "part" called, perhaps, "Point of Tragedy and Hardship," Mo + Sa - Ma, and discover, lo and behold, that you have Venus on that part.

This is advanced work and needs a steady hand, but it's also quite powerful when used judiciously.

[Soft Alpaca]

So the essence of passion infused aggression sits where my emotional drive for survival is....

ie i cant survive on an emotional level without dynamic passionate experiences/connections in life.

Curious now as to Venus and Mar's roles in my chart in light of this.

[Jim Eshelman]

Or different expressions. For instance, one that looks quite the opposite on the outside, using the same principles of passion, powerful feelings, affection + aggression are connected to emotional loss, survival adaptations, hardship, sadness, is powerful passions tied to emotional blocks and resistances.


For composing these, the following principles might help:
https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php? ... 089#p15282

[Soft Alpaca]

Way to burst my happy ego driven Sun bubble Jim. Yes putting those aspects together is 100 percent true. In fact my ego is there to project and cover up connections like these in my chart. (At least that's how I actively use it).

I am my self more skeptical of Mercury and would put Saturn on a more important level than it in the list of planets. (I am skeptical of the Sun AND Jupiter too, they seem to be linked emmeresed in one another, almost like one body).

[Soft Alpaca]

Would not choosing one specfic system of astrology be Pluto driven?

[Jim Eshelman]

Would not choosing one specfic system of astrology be Pluto driven?

Not wanting to be constrained by outside definitions of any kind is one example of Pluto's reflexive rebellion.

[Soft Alpaca]

I realised that I'm practicing astrology mostly in ways that all systems agree on. Heavily on aspects/angularity and planetary influences.

I think now im seeing planets and aspects. I can say that I am Plutonian primarily (I use its fundamentals in everything I do. I am aware of my aspects (espically the hard moon ones and the Venus-Mars which I have to further make use of)

The next work I will have to do is on sign comprehension. I think you have been taking mental notes on this.

[Soft Alpaca]

I just reread dignities with my Jupiter in Aries (Sun ruler) Saturn (dignified by Mars) in Aries and the Profile of Pluto, and the Sun as top dogs in my chart, does this form a foundation for further exploration in to Aries?

If not I'm not upset I just haven't looked much into it.

I've read things about Mars being in Sag dignity and Jupiter being in Aries dignity, however I wouldn't say if agree with them.

Also what's with Fagan (I believe) and the Uranus dignity with Sagittarius?

In traditional (mostly tropical) looking at sag rising points to Jupiter (in Aries) or Scorpio rising to Mars (Capricorn). The second of the two is actualy founded in the fact that the Mars sign is expressive, however I doubt the techique I just know it's old and still in use.

Just on to the next portion of my chart in developing signs.

[Jim Eshelman]

Also what's with Fagan (I believe) and the Uranus dignity with Sagittarius?

Having traced the exaltations to 786 BC, he noticed Uranus was in Sagittarius in 786 BC. The theory doesn't really hold up.

[Soft Alpaca]

It doesn't make sense there the way it does in Scorpio.

[Soft Alpaca]

Looking at aspects for Sun. Would the orb range be widened if the Sun is angular? Also question on semi-squares, if they are considerably as strong as a normal square than why an orb reduction?

Reviewing Saturns place in my life, it's hard to say if it is on a solar or lunar level, but in precedence I would place it up with Pluto at the top of my list. (Ie Pluto>Saturn>Jupiter/Sun<mercury)

Do we know the order Angularity-dignity-luminary aspects take precedence in a chart? I'm noting my luminary aspect Planets more personal/stronger than my angular and dignity ones, repeatedly.

[Soft Alpaca]

I note Mars-Pluto quintile.

This aspect fits my personality, mostly in how I handle stress with physical outbusrt.

Example: me running till I vomit and then keep running till I'm wound down.

Could be fulled by/help accentuate habits done by Mercuy-Mars

Also appeared Moon-Neptune biquntile. This one I'm more skeptical of I belive it is a slightly wider orb too.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Jim's teaching a class tonight.
I don't increase orbs if a luminary is angular. Angularity makes expressing that planet's influence easier, but it doesn't extend the influence further out from exact.
Saturn wouldn't be on the same level as the Sun or Moon. I have an angular Sun in Leo, but my Pisces Moon isn't angular. Both still have more influence on who I am than my angular Jupiter, or my currently locally angular Venus Pluto conjunction.
You're asking what "the order of angularity-dignity-luminary aspects take precedence." Nothing takes precedence. You're not lining up a kindergarten class by height. I've seen people use a scoring system where each planet is rated from 1 to 3 on each of the things you're assessing, then the scores are added up. Sun and Moon get extra points. But that's still not going guarantee you're weighting things accurately. I would rate dignity lower than angularity, and aspects are connections, so offer more ease of expression.
Semi-squares are only as strong as squares when they are partile or nearly so. The strength of the minor aspects falls off much faster than the classic aspects. (Classic aspects are conjunction, opposition, square, trine and sextile, and even the sextile drops off faster than the trine.)

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

I note Mars-Pluto quintile.

I don't hold with quintiles. But I'm not into trying to find every single thing down to a stubbed toe in the natal chart. Some people actually meditate on the meaning of their chart, which I find odd. Meditation is supposed to be about clearing your mind.

This aspect fits my personality, mostly in how I handle stress with physical outbusrt.
Example: me running till I vomit and then keep running till I'm wound down.

I wouldn't attribute that to a Mars-Pluto aspect.

Could be fulled by/help accentuate habits done by Mercuy-Mars

I'd be more inclined to see your description as applying to Mercury-Mars, myself. I'd also suggest you'll likely feel less like you have to run away from your troubles and punish yourself physically for whatever it is you're working off as you get older.

[Soft Alpaca]

I wasn't like that as a kid. It started in about high school. I can say that I'm having trouble with the Jupiter-Sun part of my chart, I understand the whole I'm the center thing you guys talk about, however that's something I do here, on this site, not often else where. I look at my nature on this site vs another (One that I mostly try to help others instead of all about me, even though the about me shows up some (and that is my age)). The perception is entirely different.

I can actively see Pluto wanting to get away while the Sun wants to be in the center, consciously I'm the get away type. I was taught confidence, leadership, discipline and such through boy scouts and 2 years of a military youth program. I hate myself because of it (Or how centered I was taught to come across). Also people view me wanting to get away and dissociate as self-centered, so sometimes I just leave because I don't want the attention. .

In you I see someone who is helpful, but critical and wary of others methods outside your norms. You have loyalty and bite the bullet on your thoughts I think at times not to step on the wrong persons toes. You are a female I believe (?) I had always peged you as a guy, which makes me wonder about Mars/Sun in your chart.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

I wasn't like that as a kid. It started in about high school.

Just about puberty?

I can say that I'm having trouble with the Jupiter-Sun part of my chart, I understand the whole I'm the center thing you guys talk about,

Other people may be saying that. But it's not I'm the center. It's I'm centered. Look at Trump for a convenient example. He says I'm the center!, but he's a Sun-Moon opposition and firmly believes he's the center of everything. My grandmother was also a Sun Moon opposition, and she was also like that as well. That's not what we're saying about you.

however that's something I do here, on this site, not often else where. I look at my nature on this site vs another (One that I mostly try to help others instead of all about me, even though the about me shows up some (and that is my age)). The perception is entirely different.

Do you expect us to see you differently because you are different on other sites? We see you here.

I can actively see Pluto wanting to get away while the Sun wants to be in the center, consciously I'm the get away type. I was taught confidence, leadership, discipline and such through boy scouts and 2 years of a military youth program. I hate myself because of it (Or how centered I was taught to come across). Also people view me wanting to get away and dissociate as self-centered, so sometimes I just leave because I don't want the attention. .

The Sun doesn't want to be the center. The Sun simply is. Others choose to gather around the Sun, but the Sun is just doing his own thing, not trying to draw others in.
Why would you hate yourself because of something you were taught as a child?
You don't need to run away. You can walk away. That's part of the difference between children and adults.

In you I see someone who is helpful, but critical and wary of others methods outside your norms. You have loyalty and bite the bullet on your thoughts I think at times not to step on the wrong persons toes. You are a female I believe (?) I had always peged you as a guy, which makes me wonder about Mars/Sun in your chart.

What's this? Something somebody else wrote about you on another site? Don't copy other people's words without permission and don't post them out of context where they didn't put them. That's not appropriate.

If you're hoping to show how other people on other sites don't see you the way we do, that's not useful. We see you here, and you are the way you are here. If you want to be seen in a different light, act differently.

What I see here is someone who asks a question, gets an answer, comes back and asks the same question again, gets the same answer, comes back and asks the same question yet again, gets the same answer yet again, comes back and asks the same question again, gets the same answer... and on and on and on.

Clearly this not wanting to be what you say you are like is something that bothers you a lot. I think you would find a good therapist helpful. (I know, you're special and no therapist could possibly be helpful to you. That's your age speaking.)

[Soft Alpaca]

That portion was about you, it is italics for no reason other than my phone is being weird.

I saw a couslier, she released me because I am level headed/centered. Your wrong though, I'm not special, I don't want to be perceived as that way either.

As a kid I was an adult, ive raised my siblings on a moral and encomical level for about at least 5 years of my life.

I don't know how much you know about my Mars sign, but the shadow past, skeletons in the closet, that's all there, I've just worked through some of it.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

That portion was about you, it is italics for no reason other than my phone is being weird.

Please check your pronouns and see if this says what you meant it to say.

[Soft Alpaca]

Curious if mercury can have an issue with formality. Or maybe it's founded in my Pluto-Jupiter Aspect.

I don't like ceremony. I like religion but not and fan of the service (or being involved with only one religion), if I get married I don't want there to be other people there. I didn't want to walk at graduation. About the most formal thing I like is a formal meal, because they have a sentimental value to me.

Yes J sad those were my notes on my perception of you.

[Soft Alpaca]

Im totally lost on mundane astrology (I believe i'm trying to do my mundoscope). Im not good with math and what I'm reading doesn't make much sense to me. Any suggestions?

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1544
Only pay attention to Jim's explanations. Anybody else is likely confused themselves. The mundoscope only shows which planets are closest to the angles, not the relationship between them, so don't try to look at aspects using one.

[Soft Alpaca]

Jim has only mentioned one mundane aspect that may or may not be of importance (i have to watch transits to the planet in question anyway as its also loosely foreground in my natal). I'm trying to get this stuff,still mostly lost (really questioning that angular mercury right now), but at least I have a starting point now. Thankyou!!

[Soft Alpaca]

Just found out that both my mother and I were named after marijuana. She is Marianna I am Jay. [There is a huge lie about me being named after my father's middle name like his father before him, that my mother used as a cover up].

Not a drug user myself (past nicotine, caffeine, or alcohol) as to not take up my prone to addiction [apparently astrological apparent in my chart [Mercury Scorpio] and my genes. My sister [Gemini Mars] and my mother [Virgo Mars] have this too.]

Jim you were right on Mercury-Mars connections and addiction/substance abuse.

[Soft Alpaca]

Was seemingly at the center of a chaotic event about 1:30 pm Saturday June 22nd, Camphill PA.

I was in Spencer's my favorite store with my mom, my brother, and my best friend. I was getting her [my bestie] a graduation gift.

I get up to the check out, I'm almost done and I rember I had a coupon. The lady scanned it last minute then the system seemingly crashed. While her boss tried to help, my brother had got something [which I should have put on my tab and had him give me cash for like he had suggested]. The cash register that my bro was at then locked, as one employee tried to open it <now the same family is using both registers> and people are stuck behind us in line [all avoided by me not using the coupon and paying for my lol bros thing of course].

In the next minute two ladies come in the story with a total of about 10-15 kids. Who are all under 10. <It looked like a daycare had a feild trip to spencers>. Mind you we are still using both registers and holding up the line . To quote the 5 year olds unknowingly waving dildos around "it's a magic wand!"(I felt as I needed a magic wand [Not the dildo]).

This happened from 1:23 to about 1:40 and the store was clear [it was when we got there and when we left]. It was unanimously agreed after my best friend, when she stated that chaos and messes follow me everywhere <including a vote from the younger worker who was still concerned and shaken up about kids throwing dicks, the system shutdown and the cash regitregister being locked> .

Just thought I'd share this, this isn't exactly abnormal when I go out, but it's not normally that bad. I don't know quite what i am looking for as transit markers, I did get really busy over the last few days.
<I went to see my mom, I found out I had a graduation party to attend and get gifts for 5 hours in advance and a family reunion I forgot about, work on Monday and leaving Wednesday to go on a trip.> And
I did note on the 22nd and the 23rd a transit moon was opposite my natal Eris, both of which squaring transit Mercury all within an orb.

[Veronica]

not to sound rude,
but if that is chaos......

ill take ten.

babes playing w dicks sounds like a walk in the park...

more curious to me is your labeling/owning it as a major event?

[Soft Alpaca]

Not major, just something slightly out of complete normalcy. Physically throwing stuff across the store is more like it however I see your point.

It's more like how I key in to the environment. Like here is the chart for where I am at and here is how I interact within It.

[Jim Eshelman]

Was seemingly at the center of a chaotic event about 1:30 pm Saturday June 22nd, Camphill PA.

Is that Camp Hill in Cumberland County or in Montgomery County? (There are two.) I'm going to guess Cumberland because it's closer to your birth place.

I think the astrological explanation is pretty straightforward: At about the time this was happening, the Earth rotated to bring Saturn (which is within a degree of conjunct your Sun) to an angle. Transiting Saturn crossed IC at 1:31. The universe was a little more prankish than usual, since there was a Moon-Uranus opposition in space through the afternoon. (Moon was more than 10° past the opposition to your Eris. However, if you want Eris involvement, transiting Mercury was exactly square your Eris, and probably the Eris of anyone born within most of a decade of you.)

Now, I don't get from your post that you were feeling frustrated, blocked, etc. - these could all be part of an important Saturn transit rotating to an angle for a few minutes - but there are two things about this transit that sound to me sound dead-on.

First, you emphasized that you and your brother were blocking both cash registers with people lined up behind you - you implied they were being held up, delayed, etc. (I don't know their actual feelings, but I have your report of how the scene looked to you.) Saturn crossing an angle is typical of parts of the day when things get slowed down, don't work right, traffic jams up, etc.

Second, your natal Sun was on an angle. Especially when I consider your follow-up (the answer to Veronica), you described feeling that something significant was happening and you were the center of it.

That's your Sun! (That's the solar characteristic you've recently been working on understanding.) It's not exactly the same as, say, you're being important in the moment (though there's a bit of that) but, especially, that you were the center of it.

Interesting example, thanks for posting it.

PS - For completion, here are all the partile transits you had at that time:
t Saturn conj. r Sun 41'
t Jupiter sq. r Uranus 60'
t Mars ssq. r Mercury 19'
t Venus sqq. r Mercury 49', sq. r Saturn 32'

[Soft Alpaca]

Thanks Jim. Also yes, it started with an action that I did then the rest was circumstance. I wasn't trying to imply that I am the center and the cause of things, more like I was in the eye of the storm. V, that might not be that chaotic but it was enough of a flux to make me take notice.

[Jim Eshelman]

But you were the center. Being the eye of the storm is the center. The sense that phenomena are spinning about you (or other distributions about you) is being at the center.

I just wanted you to have the chance to get that this was a solar moment. I think you only attach other ideas to solar centricity, and like to deny it because it seems too much like something you don't like (e.g., arrogance or whatever). But this moment was also keenly solar.

[Soft Alpaca]

I understand now. How does that play into an active personality though?

[Jim Eshelman]

I understand now. How does that play into an active personality though?

I don't undertand the question. What do you mean by "an active personality."

[Soft Alpaca]

Being at the center of things, what does that do? It's not like being smart or fast or violent, it just sounds more like a random trait than a skill or inclination. Ie how do i work with/what do i do with it?

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Well, for one thing, it gives you a unique perspective on how groups of humans function, and the relationships among people in the group. Some people see groups from the edges in. You see them from the middle out.

[Soft Alpaca]

Yes, this is true, however I believe (it's a close call) that I am am introvert, I told my mother at the reunion today to suck it up and hold her sisters baby (who called my mom a junkie, pulled some shit at there nanas funeral involving my family and was drinking during their fathers service). My mom did end up holding it after she blew a gasket on me, I had to steal one of her ciggerets and take it down bc my mother never gets loud, it's a force of nature when she does.

They are built as a family on chaos and quarrel, which I can handle the chaos, it's the emotional energy and the social situations that hit me like a train.

Yes I know this sounds like excuses excuses.