Personal Chart Questions

[sotonye]

I've been using this forum as a resource for around two weeks now and I must say that, as a result, my understanding of astrology has been revolutionized. But I still have a few questions. Moreover the questions to be presented might prove interesting to some of you.

There are a few things about my personal chart that have got me wondering, and the data will be presented below.

Firstly I wonder what it might mean, in what ways the personality of one is modified, when more than one personal planet including both of the luminaries are in the sign of their exaltation.

Secondly I really like Mr. Eshelman's understanding of the rulership of Aries. Pluto and its themes of isolation seem to make significant sense when speculated as the sovereign of such an obstinately individual sign. I wonder, since I have no classical aspects to my sun within appreciable orbs, since my sun is background in the 12th house, and since my sun is modified by the exclusionary comportment of Pluto, what any of you might make of all that? If my sun is weakened? I've never really had any issues with self expression or of self confidence so I'm really curious about how that might manifest.

Thirdly I'm wondering if planets that make classical first order aspects to the angles can be considered as expressive as planets on the angles themselves?

Fourthly I'm wondering what to make of most my aspects being partile, I wonder if my chart would be interpreted differently than some others because of that?

Fifthly, and lastly, I have my Moon 1°3 from my ascendant and my Jupiter °58 from my descendant, with Venus making a partile sextile to the moon and near partile (1°17) trine to my jupiter, I'm wondering of the significance if there is one of this angular configuration?

Any other insights are very welcome, I'd love to learn what everyone thinks!

Here's my birth data:

May 2nd, 1995
Hollywood CA, 8:03am
34N10
118W29

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Firstly I wonder what it might mean, in what ways the personality of one is modified, when more than one personal planet including both of the luminaries are in the sign of their exaltation.

The sign, no. The degree in the sign, the planet's influence is magnified, some.

Secondly I really like Mr. Eshelman's understanding of the rulership of Aries. Pluto and its themes of isolation seem to make significant sense when speculated as the sovereign of such an obstinately individual sign. I wonder, since I have no classical aspects to my sun within appreciable orbs, since my sun is background in the 12th house, and since my sun is modified by the exclusionary comportment of Pluto, what any of you might make of all that? If my sun is weakened? I've never really had any issues with self expression or of self confidence so I'm really curious about how that might manifest.

With the Moon so angular, I wouldn't expect to see an issue with self-expression or self-confidence. I wouldn't call the Sun weakened, just the Moon is far more important in you. But the Sun will shine out sometimes. You are an Aries.

Thirdly I'm wondering if planets that make classical first order aspects to the angles can be considered as expressive as planets on the angles themselves?

Not unless that planet lands on another angle. Otherwise, there's no effect. Angles don't make or take aspects.

Fourthly I'm wondering what to make of most my aspects being partile, I wonder if my chart would be interpreted differently than some others because of that?

Maybe. It might be your personality is less nuanced, and your aspects blend less. I"m not really sure. Listen to Jim.

Fifthly, and lastly, I have my Moon 1°3 from my ascendant and my Jupiter °58 from my descendant, with Venus making a partile sextile to the moon and near partile (1°17) trine to my jupiter, I'm wondering of the significance if there is one of this angular configuration?

Rising Moon opposing setting Jupiter across the horizon, both conjunct the angles. Venus trine that rising Moon. Angular Moon Angular Jupiter Moon-Jupiter. Moon-Venus This is all good stuff. Jupiter+Venus + the Moon. Things come easier to you than to most. But you may be harder hit when things go wrong.

[Jim Eshelman]

I've been using this forum as a resource for around two weeks now and I must say that, as a result, my understanding of astrology has been revolutionized.

Welcome to Solunars, sotonye. Glad we've been of service.

Firstly I wonder what it might mean, in what ways the personality of one is modified, when more than one personal planet including both of the luminaries are in the sign of their exaltation.

One of Cyril Fagan's earliest Sidereal observations was that royalty, popes, and other dignitaries had an unusual tendency to have many dignified planets. I don't know that this has been tested objectively with larger collections, but it's easy to find enough good examples to keep the idea alive.

We don't know, though, that the opposite is true - that lots of dignified planets (three exaltations in your case) indicates a person of considerable eminence or dignity. What we do know is that planets in the sign they rule or in which the are exalted are being conditioned by conditions similar to their own nature, i.e., there's something little smoother and simpler about he chart.

I wonder, since I have no classical aspects to my sun within appreciable orbs, since my sun is background in the 12th house, and since my sun is modified by the exclusionary comportment of Pluto, what any of you might make of all that? If my sun is weakened? I've never really had any issues with self expression or of self confidence so I'm really curious about how that might manifest.

By its lack of angularity, we would expect fewer solar traits and a general tendency not to extrovert oneself purposefully into life. (Your "shining" is more of Moon-Jupiter type, which may seem sorta kinda like a solar influence, especially because you add masculine Mars to the mix.)

Thirdly I'm wondering if planets that make classical first order aspects to the angles can be considered as expressive as planets on the angles themselves?

No. Angles neither make nor receive aspects. They aren't objects like planets; they're locations.

Are you thinking of your 2°30' Venus sextile to Ascendant, for example? Venus traits are natural to your Taurus Moon, and Venus exactly sextiles that Moon and trines Jupiter. It has expression through those planetary aspects.

Fourthly I'm wondering what to make of most my aspects being partile, I wonder if my chart would be interpreted differently than some others because of that?

There does tend to be a bit more complexity and intensity to a chart with a lot of close aspects. You have five partile aspects, and in the average chart 2 are expected, so you have a bit more than average.

[/quote]Fifthly, and lastly, I have my Moon 1°3 from my ascendant and my Jupiter °58 from my descendant, with Venus making a partile sextile to the moon and near partile (1°17) trine to my jupiter, I'm wondering of the significance if there is one of this angular configuration?[/quote]
JSAD nailed it, I think. You tend to be a charmer and coast by in life on your charm. (Perhaps a bit less because you're an Aries and likely can't resist snarking things up a bit.) You move through life quite aware of the face you're wearing to those around you, etc. You can look up the individual indications of Moon-Jupiter, Moon-Venus, and Venus-Jupiter aspects in the Aspects section, plus the Moon and Jupiter angularity paragraphs.

Ah, but you have a hidden detail you probably didn't realize. Here are your most angular planets (all angularities calculated mundanely):

Jupiter on Dsc +0°29'
Mercury on EP +0°11'
Moon on Asc -1°06'
Pluto on Dsc +1°08'
Mars on IC +5°33'

I bet you didn't know you have Pluto exactly setting! This also gives strong mundane aspects between Moon-Jupiter (1°25'), Moon-Pluto (2°14'), and Jupiter-Pluto (0°49'). (Except the 0°31' Moon-Jupiter ecliptical opposition is closer.) There is also your ecliptical Mercury-Pluto opposition, 0°16', which takes on great significance with both of them being so angular.

[sotonye]

Firstly I wonder what it might mean, in what ways the personality of one is modified, when more than one personal planet including both of the luminaries are in the sign of their exaltation.

The sign, no. The degree in the sign, the planet's influence is magnified, some.

Secondly I really like Mr. Eshelman's understanding of the rulership of Aries. Pluto and its themes of isolation seem to make significant sense when speculated as the sovereign of such an obstinately individual sign. I wonder, since I have no classical aspects to my sun within appreciable orbs, since my sun is background in the 12th house, and since my sun is modified by the exclusionary comportment of Pluto, what any of you might make of all that? If my sun is weakened? I've never really had any issues with self expression or of self confidence so I'm really curious about how that might manifest.

With the Moon so angular, I wouldn't expect to see an issue with self-expression or self-confidence. I wouldn't call the Sun weakened, just the Moon is far more important in you. But the Sun will shine out sometimes. You are an Aries.

Thirdly I'm wondering if planets that make classical first order aspects to the angles can be considered as expressive as planets on the angles themselves?

Not unless that planet lands on another angle. Otherwise, there's no effect. Angles don't make or take aspects.

Fourthly I'm wondering what to make of most my aspects being partile, I wonder if my chart would be interpreted differently than some others because of that?

Maybe. It might be your personality is less nuanced, and your aspects blend less. I"m not really sure. Listen to Jim.

Fifthly, and lastly, I have my Moon 1°3 from my ascendant and my Jupiter °58 from my descendant, with Venus making a partile sextile to the moon and near partile (1°17) trine to my jupiter, I'm wondering of the significance if there is one of this angular configuration?

Rising Moon opposing setting Jupiter across the horizon, both conjunct the angles. Venus trine that rising Moon. Angular Moon Angular Jupiter Moon-Jupiter. Moon-Venus This is all good stuff. Jupiter+Venus + the Moon. Things come easier to you than to most. But you may be harder hit when things go wrong.

I didn't know exaltation was a matter of degree! How very good and interesting!

Also, hello Jupiter! I'm very thankful for you and all that you contribute to this forum. All the things you've said here have helped further my own understanding and the understanding of many others too. I'm grateful that you took the time to address my questions! This is very special


With respect to the angular moon, I didn't know that the moon configured in this way could contribute toward self confidence and self expression, this sounds very solar, but maybe, as Mr. Eshelman stated, when configured with a benefic like Jupiter certain solar qualities might come to the fore. I'd like to think that in the same way that the sun on an angle brings about heroic themes, when the moon is on an angle and well aspected, that there could be a manifestation of a kind of lunar hero as well!


And I didn't know that angles can't take aspects! I wonder why tropical astrologers make such a fuss about 'aspects' to the ascendant and what not

About my partiles, what you're saying makes perfect sense. I do find that certain traits in myself aren't as confounded as they might be, it seems that certain traits are so distinct that following along in the behavioral directions they recommend is in a way like taking on a role of a different person each time.


Also you're absolutely right! When things go wrong it's not exactly easy for me at all, it seems to me that others can bear the world on their shoulders but I on the other hand collapse at the caress of a slight and gentle breeze! Fortunately though things don't seem to get bad very often. Also I think this configuration with the Moon/Venus/Jupiter might make me pretty lazy

[Jim Eshelman]

I didn't know exaltation was a matter of degree! How very good and interesting!

There are different views on that. Exaltations were anciently both by signs and, more specifically, by the exact degrees. Therefore, you may get different answers on that.

And I didn't know that angles can't take aspects! I wonder why tropical astrologers make such a fuss about 'aspects' to the ascendant and what not

Because they think that they can take aspects

Also you're absolutely right! When things go wrong it's not exactly easy for me at all, it seems to me that others can bear the world on their shoulders but I on the other hand collapse at the caress of a slight and gentle breeze! Fortunately though things don't seem to get bad very often. Also I think this configuration with the Moon/Venus/Jupiter might make me pretty lazy

People whose charts are dominated by benefics (1) do tend to have more luck vthan other folks, (2) were really "built" to thrive best and feel most at home in easy, comfortable, blessed circumstances, and (3) don't do as well amidst struggle and hardship.

People whose charts are dominated by malefics (1) do tend to have more struggle in their lives than other folks, (2) were really "built" to thrive best and feel most at home amidst struggle and hardship, and (3) don't do as well in easy, comfortable, blessed circumstances.

[sotonye]

People whose charts are dominated by benefics (1) do tend to have more luck vthan other folks, (2) were really "built" to thrive best and feel most at home in easy, comfortable, blessed circumstances, and (3) don't do as well amidst struggle and hardship.

This is very interesting, even having all the good can result in a little bad, there seems to be a great balance and it follows well with what I've seen. Those charts dominated by benefics sometimes result in lives with the most acute suffering.

Also is the moon considered a benefic? When it's configured on an angle for instance it seems to work against the individual, making him a little too impressionable maybe?

People whose charts are dominated by malefics (1) do tend to have more struggle in their lives than other folks, (2) were really "built" to thrive best and feel most at home amidst struggle and hardship, and (3) don't do as well in easy, comfortable, blessed circumstances

I might be wrong but these people seem to get the most done in life, compelled by unfavorable circumstances to get somewhere really pleasant and sweet, even if they can't enjoy it for too long, which, as you've said, they don't seem very able to

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Also is the moon considered a benefic? When it's configured on an angle for instance it seems to work against the individual, making him a little too impressionable maybe?

The Moon, like the Sun, is neither benefic nor malefic. They're luminaries. They're like the canvas on which the signs and the aspects to planets paint their shapes and colors.

[sotonye]

The Moon, like the Sun, is neither benefic nor malefic. They're luminaries. They're like the canvas on which the signs and the aspects to planets paint their shapes and colors.

But surely they have their own character independent of signs and aspects?

And I'm also wondering if there's anything in my chart predisposing me to paranormal experiences. I've had a few significant moments throughout my life, mostly physical and not anything mental, also in the presence of others, that would be considered as having invalidated the laws of physics. And minor incidences of the same physical type have happened almost everyday since I was small. It also seems that those who I become intimate with sooner or later share in my experiences as well, I'm not sure how it happens but it is interesting.

[Jim Eshelman]

The Moon, like the Sun, is neither benefic nor malefic. They're luminaries. They're like the canvas on which the signs and the aspects to planets paint their shapes and colors.

But surely they have their own character independent of signs and aspects?

Yes: They are properly Neutrals like Mercury and Pluto.

And I'm also wondering if there's anything in my chart predisposing me to paranormal experiences. I've had a few significant moments throughout my life, mostly physical and not anything mental, also in the presence of others, that would be considered as having invalidated the laws of physics. And minor incidences of the same physical type have happened almost everyday since I was small. It also seems that those who I become intimate with sooner or later share in my experiences as well, I'm not sure how it happens but it is interesting.

Well, for one, that's just the nature of the universe. The universe behaves that way all the time. The better question might be, is there anything that makes you more inclined to notice when it happens rather than pretend it didn't happen and the answer is, yeah, you really like weird shit happening, e.g., your Mercury is exactly opposite Pluto and trine Uranus.

There are other small things that probably contribute to this, e.g., your Taurus Moon is a questor after life mysteries, your Aries Sun likes to at least a little obnoxiously confrontational of small minds and sensibilities, etc. You'll see supportive stuff when you look at all the luminary sign placements and the deatils of aspects and angularities in your chart. But mostly I just think that your mind is wired to like weird stuff rather than ordinary stuff.

[sotonye]

Yes: They are properly Neutrals like Mercury and Pluto.

I think it's pretty cool that a planet can be neutral hmmm I didn't know this! Are there signs that might cause that neutrality to swing one way or another? I imagine you might say it depends on how congenial the influence of a constellation is on the natural conditions of a planet.

Well, for one, that's just the nature of the universe. The universe behaves that way all the time. The better question might be, is there anything that makes you more inclined to notice when it happens rather than pretend it didn't happen and the answer is, yeah, you really like weird shit happening, e.g., your Mercury is exactly opposite Pluto and trine Uranus.

This is very true, thank you Mr. Eshelman! I've never considered this! I've never considered that the universe behaves this way all the time and this is a better way of looking at it. And it is 100% true that I like weird shit, it has always been that way, and Pluto and Uranus I'm certain have made sure of that, very weird planets, very divergent and occult.

One of Cyril Fagan's earliest Sidereal observations was that royalty, popes, and other dignitaries had an unusual tendency to have many dignified planets. I don't know that this has been tested objectively with larger collections, but it's easy to find enough good examples to keep the idea alive.

We don't know, though, that the opposite is true - that lots of dignified planets (three exaltations in your case) indicates a person of considerable eminence or dignity. What we do know is that planets in the sign they rule or in which the are exalted are being conditioned by conditions similar to their own nature, i.e., there's something little smoother and simpler about he chart.

You said this the other day and I drafted a message in reply but I don't think it ever sent! I was really excited about the dignitary bit, It's always nice to know where elements of a chart show up, it really helps figuring out what they mean. But I'm wondering what this might mean for me? In what ways multiple dignified planets in a chart cause something to be a little smoother about it? This question feels good

By its lack of angularity, we would expect fewer solar traits and a general tendency not to extrovert oneself purposefully into life. (Your "shining" is more of Moon-Jupiter type, which may seem sorta kinda like a solar influence, especially because you add masculine Mars to the mix.)

You said this about my mars and it confused me a little because I thought my Mars was really weak and unfortunately placed! It doesn't have any classical aspects just like my sun and it's in Cancer too! I feel so sorry for it

Ah, but you have a hidden detail you probably didn't realize. Here are your most angular planets (all angularities calculated mundanely):

Jupiter on Dsc +0°29'
Mercury on EP +0°11'
Moon on Asc -1°06'
Pluto on Dsc +1°08'
Mars on IC +5°33'

I bet you didn't know you have Pluto exactly setting! This also gives strong mundane aspects between Moon-Jupiter (1°25'), Moon-Pluto (2°14'), and Jupiter-Pluto (0°49'). (Except the 0°31' Moon-Jupiter ecliptical opposition is closer.) There is also your ecliptical Mercury-Pluto opposition, 0°16', which takes on great significance with both of them being so angular.

And about this, I was wondering how aspects are calculatedly mundanely and what the difference might be if there is one between mundane and natal aspects? I have aspects between the Moon and Pluto and Jupiter and Pluto??

[Jim Eshelman]

Are there signs that might cause that neutrality to swing one way or another?

No.

One might say (some astrologers would say) that your Moon is a benefic because it is a neutral planet aspecting benefics, making its nature benefic. I don't seriously object to this approach, but I do think it misses the point. I would call it a well-aspected Moon, and (for example) consider that it would give positive experiences if you lived where it's angular, but I think the more expressive view is not that it's "converted" to a benefic but that it's well aspected.

By its lack of angularity, we would expect fewer solar traits and a general tendency not to extrovert oneself purposefully into life. (Your "shining" is more of Moon-Jupiter type, which may seem sorta kinda like a solar influence, especially because you add masculine Mars to the mix.)

You said this about my mars and it confused me a little because I thought my Mars was really weak and unfortunately placed! It doesn't have any classical aspects just like my sun and it's in Cancer too! I feel so sorry for it

Your Mars is quite close to an angle. (Being in Cancer doesn't make it weak, it makes it conflicted: In a nature opposite its own.)

And about this, I was wondering how aspects are calculatedly mundanely and what the difference might be if there is one between mundane and natal aspects? I have aspects between the Moon and Pluto and Jupiter and Pluto??

Mundane aspects are measured along the prime vertical (the framework of the primary angles) rather than along the ecliptic. There's no particular difference in what they mean, except we're not likely to pay attention to them in most situations unless they are on an angle, so those mundane aspects are particularly strong or expressive. (Yes, you do.)

[Jim Eshelman]

Here is your chart showing mundane positions, i.e., planet positions measured along the prime vertical. It's called a mundoscope. A mundoscope should accompany every horoscope created because it's the only way to correctly see such things as angularity.

[sotonye]

One might say (some astrologers would say) that your Moon is a benefic because it is a neutral planet aspecting benefics, making its nature benefic. I don't seriously object to this approach, but I do think it misses the point. I would call it a well-aspected Moon, and (for example) consider that it would give positive experiences if you lived where it's angular

How can I find where my moon would be angular? I've seen the topic of relocation discussed around the forum and it seems to be important and useful to a lot of people here.

Mundane aspects are measured along the prime vertical (the framework of the primary angles) rather than along the ecliptic. There's no particular difference in what they mean, except we're not likely to pay attention to them in most situations unless they are on an angle, so those mundane aspects are particularly strong or expressive. (Yes, you do.)

This Is pretty cool, I didn't know there was another way to measure aspects, I mean other than by degrees I didn't really know how aspects were measured in the first place! Also, is the operation of mundane aspects also determined by location and relocation?

[Danica]

One might say (some astrologers would say) that your Moon is a benefic because it is a neutral planet aspecting benefics, making its nature benefic. I don't seriously object to this approach, but I do think it misses the point. I would call it a well-aspected Moon, and (for example) consider that it would give positive experiences if you lived where it's angular

How can I find where my moon would be angular? I've seen the topic of relocation discussed around the forum and it seems to be important and useful to a lot of people here.

You already have it angular, in your natal.
That means, you're an angular-Moon person (along with angular Jupiter and angular Pluto, and Mars a bit wider - i.e. your natal angular planets) wherever you go. Whatever other localities bring to the foreground, your radix (natal chart) stays always with you, i.e. it's the Life Horoscope.

[sotonye]

You already have it angular, in your natal. That means, you're an angular-Moon person (along with angular Jupiter and angular Pluto, and Mars a bit wider - i.e. your natal angular planets) wherever you go. Whatever other localities bring to the foreground, your radix (natal chart) stays always with you, i.e. it's the Life Horoscope

Hi Danica, you have a pretty name, it's neat to say aloud

And thank you for your reply, this is very good to know, I thought I would have to move somewhere else for the expression of an angular planet to become apparent in my life! I'm staying put.

[sotonye]

Correction:

The coordinates for my place of birth are way off.
The coordinates for the hospital where I was born are:
34°05'56n
118°17'44w

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Is that 34°05:56N 118°17:44W or 34.0556N 118.1744W ? Maybe 34N05:56 118W17:44 ?

[sotonye]

Is that 34°05:56N 118°17:44W or 34.0556N 118.1744W ? Maybe 34N05:56 118W17:44 ?

I think the first one, in google earth the colon is an apostrophe:

34°05'56n

118°17'44w

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

The apostrophe is the symbol for minutes. If there's no " that could mean seconds or it could mean decimal minutes. I'm pretty sure they didn't put the W or the N in that position.
I can't check because Google Earth won't run on this machine and demands Chrome, which also won't run on this machine.

[sotonye]

The apostrophe is the symbol for minutes. If there's no " that could mean seconds or it could mean decimal minutes. I'm pretty sure they didn't put the W or the N in that position.
I can't check because Google Earth won't run on this machine and demands Chrome, which also won't run on this machine.

Here's a link to a picture of from google earth:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fO5W9 ... PUUQ8r-9Gn

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

So 34 degrees, 05 minutes, 55.0 North Latitude by 118 degrees, 17 minutes, 44.0 seconds West Longitude. Thank you. That makes sense now.
The coordinates you gave previous were 34N10 118W29, or 34 degrees 10 minutes North Latitude by 118 degrees 29 minutes West Longitude. So Los Feliz, Los Angeles, CA.

The only change is the Ascendent. It went from 20Tau31:57 to 20Tau28:34. The Ascendent stays the same. So it's a pretty small difference, 3' 20"

It's usual for small differences in place to make small differences in the Ascendent, but no difference in the MC. And of course, no difference in the planets longitude. Perhaps someone will check and see if there's any difference in your mundoscope. I doubt very much there is.

[Jim Eshelman]

You previously gave Hollywood as birthplace. The latitude is only a second different, and the longitude 2' different, which is negligible given a birth time known, at best, to the nearest minute of time (which means plus-minus 0°15' on angles anyway).

I'm trying to recognize the building. Is that Sunset and Vermont? One of the large hospitals on that corner? Maybe the Kaiser complex?

[sotonye]

You previously gave Hollywood as birthplace. The latitude is only a second different, and the longitude 2' different, which is negligible given a birth time known, at best, to the nearest minute of time (which means plus-minus 0°15' on angles anyway).

I thought I made a massive error lol I'm happy I wasn't too far off

I'm trying to recognize the building. Is that Sunset and Vermont? One of the large hospitals on that corner? Maybe the Kaiser complex?

Yes It's Sunset and Edgmont, part of the Kaiser complex