Where to move, where to move, where to move?

[TheScales_BothWays]

Originally posted by TheScales_BothWays on Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:48 pm

All times and dates of posting are in MYT, UTC+8 throughout this thread.

I would love to move somewhere else someday—not that I hate Klang, I just want a change of environment and lifestyle—Malaysia's too conservative and it's illegal to be gay here.
There's many places in my mind like Los Angeles, where Venus squares Asc and therefore conj. Zenith (but Pluto sits at the Asc!) , and New York, where Uranus squares the Midheaven (and therefore conjuncts the EP).
I also like London (where Jupiter and Mercury are rising and setting respectively, but Saturn rises too!). But Dublin brings Jupiter and Mercury closer to the angles and wards Saturn off further away. Barcelona has a similar configuration to Dublin, but Dublin makes my Sun closer to my Dsc.
Chicago/Detroit makes my Sun and Jupiter on the MC and the IC respectively, and Mars on the ascendant. Dallas (where I really wanna move there for [update 10/5/17: long-gone] love reasons ♥♥♥) makes my Mars off the Asc. a few degrees.
Hawaii makes the Nodes at the MC and Uranus at the IC. They oppose each other. Good for a vacation, or to stay?

Do you guys know any link(s) where interpretations of how you'll feel at places where planets become angular, and how they influence you? On the influencing part, will looking at the "Planets at the Various angles interpretations" topic will be enough?

Of course I won't be moving now, right ahead. Maybe I'll move later in the future, probably for education (if I got accepted), for my career (I do want like to be a pop singer, if I could, but I may move for other career reasons too, like searching for a new, better job with higher pay), or when I'm older and financially stable to move to other places.

All help is highly appreciated. Hugs.

[TheScales_BothWays]

on Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:07 am

There's many places in my mind like Los Angeles, where Venus squares Asc and therefore conj. Zenith (but Pluto sits at the Asc!) , and New York, where Uranus squares the Midheaven (and therefore conjuncts the EP).

Don't worry about the Pluto. I've lived 40 years where my 0°13' Venus-Pluto square is on the angles (and which also, therefore, puts Pluto on a Solar Return angle every year), and it's never crossed my mind that it is, in any sense, a malefic.

Do you guys know any link(s) where interpretations of how you'll feel at places where planets become angular, and how they influence you? On the influencing part, will looking at the "Planets at the Various angles interpretations" topic will be enough?

You don't need separate interpretations. They're just the same as the natal interpretations. to move to a place where your Venus is on an angle is to suddenly be like you were born with Venus angular. (And pay no attention to which angle it's on. It really doesn't matter. There is no area of my life that the newly foreground Venus and Pluto haven't interpenetrated over the last four decades.)

[TheScales_BothWays]

on Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:25 am

To continue, logic would go like this:

Look at your benefics, and rule out any that are afflicted. So, with your Jupiter closely square Neptune, ignore Jupiter unless you intend to go someplace for explicit Jupiter-Neptune purposes (vacation, career in entertainment or philosophy or whatever, etc.).

That leaves your Venus as your best planet to put on an angle, or maybe your Sun. Using the Sun is a way to get some of the Jupiter, since Sun is moderate-orbed opposition from Jupiter. You could put Sun-Jupiter across the horizon with Sun most closely there, it bets the benefit from the Jupiter and avoids the Neptune effect (since Sun-Neptune is nearly 6°, and Jupiter wouldn't be drawing the focus).

Pulling up your astrocartography map, I drop out all points except Venus and Sun to get an easy first scan. The Venus rising line passes through some fascinating places in Asia etc. How do you feel about Melbourne? Rio de Janeiro could be a huge amount of fun for a young gay man with Venus exactly on the horizon. A Sun line passes right through New Orleans (the only city in the U.S. that has an ancient, old world quality). Sun also passes through New Zealand, passing nearly through both Wellington and Aukland, and, as I think you mentioned, Lisbon and parts of Spain. Sun square MC passes through Amsterdam, near Brussels, through much of France (especially in the west, but probably close enough in Paris - I haven't run actual charts). Venus square Ascendant cuts through some awesome parts of (mostly) western Europe, starting with Denmark and Berlin, and then reaching through Budapest, Sofia, parts of Turkey, etc. Sun square Ascendant also cuts through Los Angeles, and Venus square Ascendant through the Caribbean.

Take any of these that interest you and look at actual relocation charts for each area. There will be other details in them that I haven't seen yet.

[TheScales_BothWays]

by TheScales_BothWays on Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:49 am

There's many places in my mind like Los Angeles, where Venus squares Asc and therefore conj. Zenith (but Pluto sits at the Asc!) , and New York, where Uranus squares the Midheaven (and therefore conjuncts the EP).

Don't worry about the Pluto. I've lived 40 years where my 0°13' Venus-Pluto square is on the angles (and which also, therefore, puts Pluto on a Solar Return angle every year), and it's never crossed my mind that it is, in any sense, a malefic.

Do you guys know any link(s) where interpretations of how you'll feel at places where planets become angular, and how they influence you? On the influencing part, will looking at the "Planets at the Various angles interpretations" topic will be enough?

You don't need separate interpretations. They're just the same as the natal interpretations. to move to a place where your Venus is on an angle is to suddenly be like you were born with Venus angular. (And pay no attention to which angle it's on. It really doesn't matter. There is no area of my life that the newly foreground Venus and Pluto haven't interpenetrated over the last four decades.)

Aha, a fellow Venus-Pluto with a similar configuration at Los Angeles!
Okay, but I've read (not from you though) from these forums that when planet Y is angular at a place you'll find "the person" there, or when planet Z is at another place, you feel as if you were "born there in a past life".

To continue, logic would go like this:

Look at your benefics, and rule out any that are afflicted. So, with your Jupiter closely square Neptune, ignore Jupiter unless you intend to go someplace for explicit Jupiter-Neptune purposes (vacation, career in entertainment or philosophy or whatever, etc.).

That leaves your Venus as your best planet to put on an angle, or maybe your Sun. Using the Sun is a way to get some of the Jupiter, since Sun is moderate-orbed opposition from Jupiter. You could put Sun-Jupiter across the horizon with Sun most closely there, it bets the benefit from the Jupiter and avoids the Neptune effect (since Sun-Neptune is nearly 6°, and Jupiter wouldn't be drawing the focus).

Pulling up your astrocartography map, I drop out all points except Venus and Sun to get an easy first scan. The Venus rising line passes through some fascinating places in Asia etc. How do you feel about Melbourne? Rio de Janeiro could be a huge amount of fun for a young gay man with Venus exactly on the horizon. A Sun line passes right through New Orleans (the only city in the U.S. that has an ancient, old world quality). Sun also passes through New Zealand, passing nearly through both Wellington and Aukland, and, as I think you mentioned, Lisbon and parts of Spain. Sun square MC passes through Amsterdam, near Brussels, through much of France (especially in the west, but probably close enough in Paris - I haven't run actual charts). Venus square Ascendant cuts through some awesome parts of (mostly) western Europe, starting with Denmark and Berlin, and then reaching through Budapest, Sofia, parts of Turkey, etc. Sun square Ascendant also cuts through Los Angeles, and Venus square Ascendant through the Caribbean.

Take any of these that interest you and look at actual relocation charts for each area. There will be other details in them that I haven't seen yet.

Wow, you've just enthralled me—not gonna sleep tonight!
Yes, Auckland, Melbourne, New Orleans and Lisbon were the other places I know that were good (and which I love to go) but I didn't write them down—it'll be too long! I particularly love New Orleans (because of the reasons you've said) and also Christchruch/Dunedin, NZ, instead of Auckland/Wellington. I've heard Christchrurch is like England and Dunedin is like Scotland in appearance! They both ward off Neptune, and in Dunedin, Neptune is background! Also I would love to experience the seasons there, especially autumn, my birth season. Speaking of which, Vermont and New Hampshire have my Saturn on the IC (NH being closer) but my Sun squares the Asc. (very slightly).

But Rio has Pluto on the MC, but since you said Pluto has done no harm on you, I'm okay with it, haha. Pray that I won't get scammed, lost, kidnapped, or get infected with AIDS or the recent ZIKA. Or blame me for watching too much of "Scam city" in Nat Geo.
I've charted, and yes, my Sun squares the MC at Paris! The Jupiter-Mercury angularity is still there too. Along with Moon sq. Asc, which I didn't mention.
My Sun doesn't square the Asc. at LA tho.I think you've mixed up LA and the Caribbean. My Sun squares the asc at Kingston, Jamaica!
Ah, and my Venus is at the Asc at Japan, and it's about 5 degrees off of it at Tokyo (and Seoul, South Korea). It's much closer at Hiroshima. Osaka, while Venus still 3' from Asc, it also squares the MC.

Lots of charting I've got to do tomorrow. I'm just praying that I'll go to any one of those places someday, if not all/most!

[TheScales_BothWays]

on Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:33 am

My Sun doesn't square the Asc. at LA tho.I think you've mixed up LA and the Caribbean.

I mixed up the lines. It's Venus.

[TheScales_BothWays]

by TheScales_BothWays on Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:04 pm

I guess the Jupiter-Neptune places would be good for my music interest? You did list "career in entertainment" there. In that case, would home be good too? But Saturn's angular too, by one degree.

And are the places where Mercury's angular good places for studies/academics(/business)? Oxford has Mercury at the Desc. and Cambridge, MA (where Harvard and MIT are) has it at the MC (off by 9 degrees, probably insignificant). Sarawak, a state in East Malaysia/Malaysian Borneo, has Mercury on the IC. Perth has it too.
But wherever Mercury is, there's some Saturn, Uranus, Moon, Neptune, and/or Jupiter together, and vice versa for all the planets I listed here. I can't lose them, esp. Saturn (for Mercury). It's like as if they're locked together for good. Oh yeah, my Mercury opposes Saturn by 4 degrees.

[TheScales_BothWays]

on Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:57 am

Avoid Saturn if you can.
IF you choose a place for study with angular Mercury, keep Mercury closer to an angle than Saturn... and just choose that place for temporary stay.

But you already got Jim's guidance on this issue

Pulling up your astrocartography map, I drop out all points except Venus and Sun to get an easy first scan.

Look at places for your Sun or Venus angular. Go there.

[TheScales_BothWays]

by TheScales_BothWays on Mon Feb 15, 2016 2:31 am

Avoid Saturn if you can.
IF you choose a place for study with angular Mercury, keep Mercury closer to an angle than Saturn... and just choose that place for temporary stay.

Oh well, I guess no Saturn for me for the cost of Mercury, thank you very much!

But you already got Jim's guidance on this issue

Pulling up your astrocartography map, I drop out all points except Venus and Sun to get an easy first scan.

Look at places for your Sun or Venus angular. Go there.

Yeah, but I don't know how Sun and Venus in angular would help my studies as much as Mercury could. The Sun could sure help with the determination and confidence part, for sure. And vitality.
Maybe Venus will help me in reducing stress, or if I enrol in any art-related courses.

And I guess for my singing interest I could try country. Nashville has my Sun at MC!

[TheScales_BothWays]

on Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:01 pm

If you find a place where you feel good, it helps with everything

[TheScales_BothWays]

by TheScales_BothWays on Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:33 pm

If you find a place where you feel good, it helps with everything

True that!

[TheScales_BothWays]

Arena on Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:23 am

Sun helps you to be your true self and "shine" and Venus helps you love and be loved. When those two things are accomplished most people do good. It has even been studied that children that feel good at home and with friends do good in their studies, while those who feel bad do poorly.

[TheScales_BothWays]

TheScales_BothWays on Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:38 am

It has even been studied that children that feel good at home and with friends do good in their studies, while those who feel bad do poorly.

As a student myself, I believe that was needless to be said.

[TheScales_BothWays]

SteveS on Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:59 pm

Hi Scales, curious to know how you found this forum and how did you take up the study of astrology at such a young age? Were your Mother or Father into astrology? Thanks

[TheScales_BothWays]

TheScales_BothWays on Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:06 pm, updated on 17/4/2017 and revised to include other post on 10/05/2017

Hi Scales, curious to know how you found this forum and how did you take up the study of astrology at such a young age? Were your Mother or Father into astrology? Thanks

Sure!

My parents aren't studying astrology, but my mother believes in Vedic! My father knows nothing about it.

Hmm, there's probably many reasons why I delved into astrology.
Mainly it's curiosity. Curious to know how astrologers know what's gonna happen, how they know my character, what else astrology says about me and my future and such. It's not that I questioned their methods or been against them, it's just that I wanted to know how.
I've found this forum last late-November/early-December when I've just heard of Western Sidereal and wanted to know the Sun & Moon sign interpretations. I've got interested in my Mars sign too since Jim said it plays a role in defining your character.
I've then read a lot in this forum and slowly transitioning myself into Sidereal, from Tropical. A lot of what Jim thought were new concepts and/or contradicted Tropical, but I went along with it without any denying, since they were true.

I've found a palmistry book, a Vedic book by C.V.Raman explaining the 1st to 6th houses of Vedic astrology and a beginner's tropical astrology book at my home. Who read these? I don't know. Maybe astrology runs through my blood haha, but I don't know from whom did I inherit it from. There were many others from my family who lived in my home, even when before I was born. It's been about 30 years since this house was bought, then by my uncle.

I also like the symbolism part of astrology: Venus, the lover of peace and bringer of joy and love, Jupiter the generous sage and the excess, Neptune the mist/fog and the planet of the masses, Uranus, the bringer of the change that we really needed, and Virgo the maiden harvesting of a wheat field, Pisces the fishes that live with the help of Aquarius' water from his jar, Libra the Scales of justice and etc.
Fulfils my angular Neptune side haha.
My username, TheScales_BothWays shows that I'm a Libra in both Tropical and Western Sidereal astrology, by the way. That could have also helped me in moving into Sidereal astrology without feeling that my identity has been changed or feeling that I had a misled identity all this time haha.

My interest in astronomy also would've fuelled my interest in astrology in some way.
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Though I always wonder how I got so interested in astrology without a strong Uranus in my chart lol .
Right now I'm also curious to know how you guys over here got into astrology too.

Add 17/04/2017: it was [also] actually just a natural inclination and liking to astrology. My Indian/Hindu culture is a strong factor in igniting this natural inclination as I keenly read Indian astrological almanacs and listened to Vedic predictions on TV during my childhood. I thought how to read an Indian chart by myself BTW.
And then there's my Libra Sun, and like most "air" sign people, I tend to think of the future, not necessarily my future though. I usually think positively and optimistically of the future, must be my positive Libra Sun with my Jupiter-Neptune angularity. Since astrology primarily deals with the future and to predictions, it was appealing to me, and I was filled with positive optimism and joy when I got a positive prediction from astrology.
And then there's my Venus-Pluto aspect that makes me want to relate to and know the characters of people whom I like, I think astrology helps with that too.

My interest in western astrology was ignited during November 2015 when I became a moderator for some popular tropical astrology facebook page run by teenagers. I got deeper into learning astrological symbolism and meaning, but most of my progress in astrology is thanks to this forum here. I would've been stuck in aspects and signs if were I not to land on this forum. Thank God I became curious on how Sidereal Sun signs were—the symbolisms in Sidereal astrology are just too perfect and line up with tradition, i.e. the very little stuff I got to know about signs from that Indian almanac, my Indian culture, and my Neptunian images of how the signs' archetypes should be. When first reading my Sidereal Sun- and Moon-sign interpretations, I found harmony within my true self. Additionally, Solunar returns, Solunar Ingresses, transits done Sidereally and the emphasis on angular symbolisms and watching this all manifest beautifully in real life just made me forever stuck with Sidereal astrology—I'm never regressing into Tropical astrology again, that's for sure. Venus returns were another personal eye-opener to me, IMHO.

[TheScales_BothWays]

SteveS on Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:32 pm

Thanks Scales, I encourage you to take up a lifelong study of Sidereal Astrology, I am very impressed with your early age grasp of astrological symbolism. If I can help in any way with your pursuit for learning Sidereal Astrology—let me know. I got into astrology at a late age of 30 years old with a profound paranormal experience which led me to a husband (astrologer) wife (psychic) team in Chicago. The Psychic told me my path would cross several astrology books which were mostly out of print. As my life unfolded these out of print books turned out to be Sidereal Astrology books so I am just following my destiny. Another Psychic 10 years after the Chicago Psychic said my life would cross with Jim Eshelman-- so here I am. This Psychic told me Jim would teach me to see/understand how astrology manifests its symbolism on the World Stage. I had bought a used copy of Jim’s book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns’ and the Psychic told me in 1988 Jim’s book would turn out to be a very important book for me-- and later I would meet Jim with something to do with computers (online). You and Jim are the only astrologers I know who began their study of astrology at such a young age. If you will PM me a mailing address I will instruct my wife when I pass to send you all of my Sidereal Astrology books and articles. Good luck in your life and endeavor to laugh as much as possible for laughter is our best medicine.

[TheScales_BothWays]

Arena on Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:00 pm

My username, TheScales_BothWays shows that I'm a Libra in both Tropical and Sidereal astrology, by the way. That could also have helped me in moving into Sidereal astrology without a feeling of having a changed identity or feeling that I had a misled identity all this time haha.

That was pretty smart

Since you asked (even though it may not be of relevance to the topic of this thread) ... Actually I first started with astrology when I was about 12 yrs old. And I don't even remember why - it seems now that it was just a natural interest. Nobody in my family was talking about that and none of my friends at the time. I think it was because I heard about the country's first astrologer having graduated and put up his astrology business (or maybe that was at a later time, don't remember). But I was limited by the scarce selection of books I was able to read about the subject at the time. But I did read everything I could get over. I ordered my first natal chart report when I was 14 I think - and then another synastry report when I was 16 and had my first boyfriend. But like I said, I was limited in my study since the internet didn't even exist at the time and I lived in a very small town on an isolated island with an isolated language So I put away the study for many years. Wow, what a changed world it is now! I picked up the study again in 2004 as my Mercury-Moon aspect came to progressed angle it seems.

But I do have a prominent Uranus conjunct an angle in my chart as well as a Uranus-Sun aspect, so maybe it is not a surprise that I had this interest from childhood.

[TheScales_BothWays]

TheScales_BothWays on Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:36 pm

Thanks Scales, I encourage you to take up a lifelong study of Sidereal Astrology, I am very impressed with your early age grasp of astrological symbolism.

*Smiles widely*
I try my best, god bless, to partake in Sidereal Astrology, at least part-time.
Fingers crossed I hope I'll be a great help in taking Sidereal Astrology to a whole new level.

If I can help in any way with your pursuit for learning Sidereal Astrology—let me know.

I will, Steve!

I got into astrology at a late age of 30 years old with a profound paranormal experience which led me to a husband (astrologer) wife (psychic) team in Chicago. The Psychic told me my path would cross several astrology books which were mostly out of print. As my life unfolded these out of print books turned out to be Sidereal Astrology books so I am just following my destiny. Another Psychic 10 years after the Chicago Psychic said my life would cross with Jim Eshelman-- so here I am. This Psychic told me Jim would teach me to see/understand how astrology manifests its symbolism on the World Stage. I had bought a used copy of Jim’s book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns’ and the Psychic told me in 1988 Jim’s book would turn out to be a very important book for me-- and later I would meet Jim with something to do with computers (online).

Wow, that experience must've been ethereal!
I'm imagining how you must've felt when you finally managed to contact Jim.

You and Jim are the only astrologers I know who began their study of astrology at such a young age.

Oh, Jim started young too!? Yay!—I'm not alone! Haha.
As you can see at the previous reply you (and I) now know that Arena started young,too.

Good luck in your life and endeavour to laugh as much as possible for laughter is our best medicine.

Thank you. I definitely need lots of it (luck), paired with my hardwork of course.
Thankfully there's a lot of things in my life that I can laugh at (and not be rude of course ).
There's also another similar saying in my language—"If you laugh your mouth off, your diseases will fall off too." or something like that.

[TheScales_BothWays]

Jim Eshelman on Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:45 pm

To clear up the biographical point: I started studying astrology at 13 (a month before my 14th birthday), and was writing (had articles published) by 16.

They weren't great articles. In fact, I'd disavow most of what was in the two earliest ones. But there I was in American Astrology and Spica, and it felt pretty cool and started forming some relationships.

Back to our regularly scheduled topic with apologies for going OT.

[TheScales_BothWays]

by TheScales_BothWays on Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:54 pm

Omg Arena I almost forgot to reply to you!(I thought I did haha)

My username, TheScales_BothWays shows that I'm a Libra in both Tropical and Western Sidereal astrology, by the way. That could also have helped me in moving into Sidereal astrology without a feeling of having a changed identity or feeling that I had a misled identity all this time haha.

That was pretty smart

Why thank you!

Since you asked (even though it may not be of relevance to the topic of this thread) ...

I don't mind at all lol

Actually I first started with astrology when I was about 12 yrs old. And I don't even remember why - it seems now that it was just a natural interest. Nobody in my family was talking about that and none of my friends at the time. I think it was because I heard about the country's first astrologer having graduated and put up his astrology business (or maybe that was at a later time, don't remember). But I was limited by the scarce selection of books I was able to read about the subject at the time. But I did read everything I could get over. I ordered my first natal chart report when I was 14 I think. But like I said, I was limited in my study since the internet didn't even exist at the time and I lived in a very small town on an isolated island with an isolated language So I put away the study for many years. Wow, what a changed world it is now!

I love your persistence! ♥ Nothing like a teenager's efforts when they really want to know about something.

and then another synastry report when I was 16 and had my first boyfriend.

lol

........I picked up the study again in 2004 as my Mercury-Moon aspect came to progressed angle it seems.......
.......But I do have a prominent Uranus conjunct an angle in my chart as well as a Uranus-Sun aspect, so maybe it is not a surprise that I had this interest from childhood.

Well there's Uranus making a big part of your life—since childhood haha.
Aha, so does my partile natal Moon-Mercury square explain my interest?
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To clear up the biographical point: I started studying astrology at 13 (a month before my 14th birthday), and was writing (had articles published) by 16.

*Bows down*
Well look at me, I'm 16, like you were, and I barely could write a guide for everyone here in this forum, let alone articles.

They weren't great articles. In fact, I'd disavow most of what was in the two earliest ones.

Oh come on, everyone makes mistakes, esp at the start.

But there I was in American Astrology and Spica, and it felt pretty cool and started forming some relationships.

Wow. Again not something I could do right now lol.

Back to our regularly scheduled topic with apologies for going OT.

Overtime? Huh?
10/05/2017: I just realised Jim meant OT for off-topic — sorry Jim! Hope I didn't seem rude.

[TheScales_BothWays]

by Arena on Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:14 pm

Well there's Uranus making a big part of your life—since childhood haha.

Yes I do believe so, since it is on my Vx.

Aha, so does my partile natal Moon-Mercury square explain my interest?

That one is a keen learning aspect and good intelligence But you also have Uranus and Neptune in the foreground that may explain your interest in the subject.
You have yours forming a partile grand cross with mine I see your Moon is at 25 Cap and your Mer at 25 Lib while my Moon is at 25 Aries and Mer at 25 Cancer.

[TheScales_BothWays]

TheScales_BothWays on Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:36 pm

But you also have Uranus and Neptune in the foreground that may explain your interest in the subject.

But I thought Uranus is not foreground in my chart? Jim did tell it was pretty close from being foreground, though. Or was it the Sun? lol

Aha, so does my partile natal Moon-Mercury square explain my interest?

That one is a keen learning aspect and good intelligence

But at times (and lately, most of the time) I'm just too lazy haha.
I'm only willing to learn things which I want to learn, or the things that capture my interest.

You have yours forming a partile grand cross with mine I see your Moon is at 25 Cap and your Mer at 25 Lib while my Moon is at 25 Aries and Mer at 25 Cancer.

I guess we will learn a lot from each other! And share our feelings.
Plus lots of chats and messages and discussion.