ArtG Birth Chart

[ArtGoddess]

Hello all!

I am beginning to learn astrology, and I have joined this site to know how to interpret solar returns, as I would like to travel for my birthday, Venus and Jupiter returns.

I am open to receive any opinions about my birth chart.

Birth data:
day-month-year = 4 - 3 (march) - 1976
location = Tarragona, Catalonia, Spain

Time of birth: 13:17
(mothers oral statement): 13:04
(from Birth Certificate): 13:55

Current residence: Paterna, Valencia, Spain

Thanks for the time and effort and I look forward to learning from you all!

Best regards!

[Jim Eshelman]

Birth data:
day-month-year = 4 - 3 - 1976
location = Tarragona, Catalonia, Spain

Is that March 4 or April 3?

What are your parameters on how far or where you can travel?

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

day-month-year = 4 - 3 - 1976

I'm reading it as March 4, 1976.
But that's why we ask people to spell out the month, so there's no confusion.

[Danica]

Time of birth
(mothers oral statement): 13:04
(from Birth Certificate): 13:55

Hi, ArtG, welcome to solunars!

Can you say if one of these two time sources is more reliable than the other, based on all the info you have?

[ArtGoddess]

Thank you all for your welcome.

Is that March 4 or April 3?

What are your parameters on how far or where you can travel?

March 4th

As my main concern is economy, I can't travel too far this year I'm afraid.

Can you say if one of these two time sources is more reliable than the other, based on all the info you have?

I think the most accurate is 13:04. Let's work with that.

Thank you!

[Jim Eshelman]

That's quite a gap in birth time and, in most parts of Europe,. highly unusual for birth times to be that far off. Nonetheless, it can, of course, happen. Just understand that any work with your solar return will be quite off if the birth time is almost an hour off.

Using the time you picked, Paterna is not a bad place to stay since you have Jupiter exactly on an angle (Westpoint) of your 2019 Solar Return. However, it's not alone. A Sun-Neptune conjunction is on Midheaven (not quite as close as the number) and natal Pluto is exactly square Ascendant. This isn't necessarily bad, but is far from being "simple, comfortable Jupiter" that you may want.

We might be able to take care of this with a simple change in latitude. However, first off, some areas to avoid. Stay out of the UK, France, Corsica, Piedmont on your birthday - the doubling of Saturn-Pluto will be the opposite of what you want.

If you can get to eastern Europe there is a lovely Venus line that curves from Oslo through the heart of Poland, the eastern tip of Slovakia and Hungary, the heart of Romania, and the Bosporus. Of those, skip Bucharest, you also have Saturn angular there. If anyplace else on that line interests you, ask about it and we can do the extra work to help fine tune.

I tried adjusting the Jupiter line through your home for latitude. We can't go north without heading into the more astrologically treacherous areas like France. However, you can go south, perhaps to Algeria - you have shaken the natal Pluto off the angle at the coast, e.g., Mestghanem. You still have Sun-Neptune a few degrees off Midheaven (that pretty much goes along with Jupiter on Westpoint), but not as close - it just adds a bit of the exotic.

No plan is perfect, but these ideas should provide a leisurely, interesting time if your birth time is correct.

[Jim Eshelman]

On the other hand, if you were born at 13:55, I'd say get far away from Spain and northern Africa, where Saturn and Pluto share the Descendant!

For that birth time, your Venus line curves from Amsterdam down the center of Italy, nicking the boot - almost any part of Italy has Venus setting, but you should avoid the band of longitude that goes north-south through (roughly) Rome and Munich. The more I look at the map, the more Amsterdam looks to be the winner for this other birth time. (A few frustrations, but they look minor.)

Jupiter is out in the Atlantic.

Notice that having the right birth time matters a great deal. The good and bad spots are almost totally reversed.

[ArtGoddess]

Thank you very much @Jim Eshelman for your reply.

Please forgive me as I have a lot to learn , but I have some questions.

I'm used to use astro-dot-com, Tropical, Geocentric, Placidus, so I am used to view my birth chart this way: https://ibb.co/cxdJhyV and my solar return for 2019 this way: https://ibb.co/GWq5bsL

Question 1. I know that the 13:04 is more accurate because at this time my natal Saturn is in the cusp of my 2nd house, and I really "suffer" this position. It's too evident.

As I have a full list of personal events, is here any astrologer that can do a Rectification of my birth time?

Question 2. After reading carefully your suggestions, I haven't been able to identify your comments in a graphic chart. Then, after checking the forum, seems that you work with Sidereal/Fagan/Bradley, Geocentric, Campanus, but after obtaining these charts, I am not capable to see what you are referring to.

Can you please let me know which settings do you use for birth and SR charts? Or at least, point me to the thread that those settings are established?

In case you use Sidereal, I'm not familiar with this system, but I might assure you that my ascendant is not Gemini, or my sun is Aquarius. Any advice on how you see my birth chart in sidereal would be a pleasure for me to read.

I'm eager for your comments. Thank you again for your time and knowledge.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

This forum, as it says at the top of every page, is "for the study and growth of Sidereal astrology." So yup we use the Sidereal zodiac exclusively. Many of us use astro.com as well, and some of us use other software, mostly Solar Fire.
See here for the most recent discussion of software.

[Jim Eshelman]

Here is your birth chart for the time you prefer, calculated (as you surmised) in the Sidereal zodiac with Campanus cusps.

[Jim Eshelman]

Question 1. I know that the 13:04 is more accurate because at this time my natal Saturn is in the cusp of my 2nd house, and I really "suffer" this position. It's too evident.

You may be basing your conclusion on wrong or weak information. In the whole range of astrological research, houses are the one factor that have been hardest to confirm. Research continues but the evidence isn't strong. This suggests either that houses are not a valid astrological factor or (I think more likely) that they are a very weak or indirect indication.

Additionally, whether your Saturn is in the 2nd depends on house system. This at least means that you are basing a conclusion on some uncertainties. For example, as you can see above, in the Campanus system your Saturn is about a third of the way up into the 1st house.

I don't know the details of your finances, but he chart does show economic challenges. Most pronounced is that, though you have a Moon-Jupiter conjunction which has a kind of protective generosity of the universe, it's badly aspected. Saturn squares them both and Mars sextiles them both. These are a mix of "Jupiter problems" (prosperity problems) that vary from disadvantage and shortage of opportunities (the Saturn aspects) to being a bit undisciplined with managing money (the Mars aspects). Additionally, an Aquarius Sun (which y9u have) often doesn't have a lot of concrete reality about money or time; and in your case the Sun is exactly square Neptune. This has positive and negative characteristics but, so far as money is concerned, doesn't improve your skills at handling it.

Without knowing a bit of your personal history, I don't want to say too much that might misrepresent you and your life; but the general idea of this chart is that instead of "earn high, spend low" you lean more to "earn low, spend high," without necessarily having a decisive sense of direction. The chart is high on idealism and vision, low on discipline. (Please understand and correct if I don't hit this right on the mark; these are broad impressions.)

As I have a full list of personal events, is here any astrologer that can do a Rectification of my birth time?

In case you use Sidereal, I'm not familiar with this system, but I might assure you that my ascendant is not Gemini, or my sun is Aquarius. Any advice on how you see my birth chart in sidereal would be a pleasure for me to read.

You are probably thinking of Gemini and Aquarius as Tropical astrology sees them, and that's not what we'd say about them necessarily. I do understand why you would find it easy to identify with Pisces, since you have Sun square Neptune within 0°07' - it's the dominant aspect of your horoscope. Additionally, you have Moon in Sidereal Pisces anyway. We don't find that the Ascendant sign is all that important in terms of deep character, though it can show more superficial traits. I see your chart primarily in terms of an Aquarius Sun and Pisces Moon.

I'll give some notes on the chart - presuming the birth time you stated is correct - when I get the chance, hopefully this morning.

[Jim Eshelman]

These notes on your Sidereal Natal Horoscope are provided for your reference and study. They are not a full interpretation of your birth chart; rather, they are building blocks from which a full interpretation can be built.

Each factor listed below contributes to your character. These paragraphs commonly repeat or contradict each other. (We all have contradictions.) Though it does not take an astrologer to fuse these factors into a balanced picture of you and your life, it does require knowledge of human behavior and the ways that people support and sabotage themselves. Your astrologer, having these skills and knowing this symbolic language, can help you in this process. However, knowing yourself is a life-long undertaking. I encourage you to read through these notes, feeling your way through the interweaving ideas and reflecting on what you know of yourself.

The paragraphs are brief. I have sought to pack in everything essential, to use a few words to imply much more. Not every phrase will apply, of course. Some will be more important than others; but the gist of each section should clearly reflect truth about you. When you have spent time with this and have new questions, consult your astrologer to discuss them.

Character is destiny. Who you are determines the life that is yours to unfold. “Know thyself” is the key.

ANGULAR PLANETS
Angular Sun (MC 1°00')
Warm, friendly, generous, shining their light on the world (often in a paternal, possibly controlling, sense). Vital, assertive, confident (or acts it). Aware they have purpose (goal, destiny) they must seek, find, and actualize. At best: Is in charge of self & does well leading others (can be bossy, demanding, entitled). Needs centricity (attracts satellites; may expect others’ world to revolve around them). Drawn to proud, useful institutions. Instinct for immortality.

Angular Neptune (sq. MC 0°37')
Sensitive, vulnerable, feels strongly (tunes into others deeply, not always accurately; feels exposed, over-response). Naturally absorbs & mirrors others’ traits. Sympathy, compassion, empathy (or emotional drama, insecurity, easily hooked, betrayed). Lives in own reality, tenacious with own viewpoint, impervious to logic, passionate about what uniquely frames their view (forges perception of the actual from their concept of the ideal). Favors complexity over simplicity. Dwells within the unknown, choosing mystery over revelation.

Sun square Neptune (0°07')
Self-view is unrealistic or disproportionate (excessively poor or grand). Nurtures an air of secrecy or mystery. Love of drama, music, fantasy, mysticism, general surrealism. Active imaginations. Potential to move and inspire others if they acquire focus & perseverance. Sensitive to ambient physical & emotional impressions; exaggerates the “feeling tone” of a time & place.

MOON
Moon in Pisces
Most truly themselves when being someone else. Dramatizes a personal fiction; “big fish” confidence (self-important, airs?). Love having a “secret side.” Divas. Emotionally driven (haunted). Fascinated with the unknown. Religious thinking style. Faith, commitment to beliefs or vision. Judgmental. Hardened personal reality (stuck patterns).

Moon conjunct Jupiter (2°38')
Ambitious, noble, desires success, aspires to take the lead. (Natural ‘host,’ likes to play ringmaster in all life areas including social & sexual hospitality.) Desires only the best (things & circumstances) for self & loved ones. Possible social elitism, feigned superiority, aristocratic conceit. Drawn to quality. Usually good-humored, entertaining, kind, generous. Strong beliefs (often religious or patriotic intensity, moralistic, judgmental).

Moon sextile Mercury (0°10')
Intellect linked to emotion (subconscious patterns): Astute, intuitive, strategic. Personality led by intellect & nervous system. Short attention span; but with focus, easily absorbs knowledge. Under duress, “reasonableness” competes with reactive emotion.

Moon sextile Mars (1°43')
Active-reactive; temper. Detests idleness. Driven, competent, ambitious. Impatient, acerbic, irritable. Frank, sharp-tongued (friction in relationships). Needs physical, emotional, & mental room to breathe. Possible substance abuse. Sexual needs strong, irrepressible.

SUN
Sun in Aquarius
Scientific, analytic, inventive, pragmatic, non-dogmatic. Broad interests. Unconventional, provocative, controversial. Ignores race, class, rank. Truthful, altruistic, helping. Understands people. Solitude, alienation, undemonstrative. Haughty, unapologetic, but rarely pretentious. May not understand time.

MARS
Mars in Taurus
Artists, musicians. Tender, responsive, humane. Mystic instincts attuned to love. Sexually attractive, romantic soul, sensual (sexually popular?). Women often tough, competitive, comfortable with assertiveness.

Mars sextile Jupiter (0°55')
Playful, strong, competitive, enterprising. Zest, vitality, enthusiasm, courage, confidence. Sexually lusty, eager, popular, on the hunt. Generous or extravagant (money flees). Bold with beliefs, evangelical (enthusiasts, missionaries, barnstormers).

Mercury trine Mars (1°53')
Quite a charmer with wit & edgy humor. Mind is quick, creative, strategic, opinionated. Independent thinker, enjoys argument, critical, nervous. Vulnerability to addiction.

MERCURY
Mercury in Capricorn
A quiet (playfully perverse) pride in their disagreeable opinions & autonomous thinking. Enjoys shock value of spouting unusual ideas. Mind inquisitive, enthusiastic, with a sense of the macabre. Resists being convinced. Careful, methodical, orders information effectively.

Mercury sextile Jupiter (2°48')
Intelligent; seems well-read, educated. Loves ideas & learning, comfortable with words. Good-tempered, kind. Optimistic. Business potential (from luck more than skill?). Always awaiting the next opportunity or break.

VENUS
Venus in Capricorn
Dutiful/devoted to family/loved ones (secures own freedom & pleasure within that). Tenacious once committed. Paternal themes in their partnering: one party plays a father role (be alert for parent-child games). Sociable, outgoing. Focus on common interests with friends. Beasts in bed. Pride themselves on self-sufficiency.

[ArtGoddess]

I'm very grateful for your comments about my chart. Really impressive and, some of them, very accurate.

Considering the 13:04 time, I have been suggested to stay in Venice, Italy for my 2019 Solar Return. I know it is closer than your suggestion. What do you think?

I tried adjusting the Jupiter line through your home for latitude. We can't go north without heading into the more astrologically treacherous areas like France. However, you can go south, perhaps to Algeria - you have shaken the natal Pluto off the angle at the coast, e.g., Mestghanem. You still have Sun-Neptune a few degrees off Midheaven (that pretty much goes along with Jupiter on Westpoint), but not as close - it just adds a bit of the exotic.

Regarding this paragraph, are you referring to my solar return or a relocation chart?

Regarding relocation, I was planning to move to London UK, in the future, as in Spain I am not capable to find a job related to my career. Astrologically, do you think it's a good idea?

Thank you again for your time. I'm really impressed by the Sidereal system and its interpretation.

[Jim Eshelman]

I tried adjusting the Jupiter line through your home for latitude. We can't go north without heading into the more astrologically treacherous areas like France. However, you can go south, perhaps to Algeria - you have shaken the natal Pluto off the angle at the coast, e.g., Mestghanem. You still have Sun-Neptune a few degrees off Midheaven (that pretty much goes along with Jupiter on Westpoint), but not as close - it just adds a bit of the exotic.

Regarding this paragraph, are you referring to my solar return or a relocation chart?

I was referring to your Solar Return (the relocation of your Solar Return).

Regarding relocation, I was planning to move to London UK, in the future, as in Spain I am not capable to find a job related to my career. Astrologically, do you think it's a good idea?

If we trust the 1:04 PM birth time, England has some advantages, including keeping your Sun exactly on MC. Because of your exact Sun-Neptune square, this also means Neptune squares MC (and that the culminating Sun is "Sun aspected by Neptune"); but you're used to this your whole life. The determining factor, I think, is whether you are able to live and express the Neptune fully, otherwise it will drag on you and represent lack of direction, indecision, etc.

One strong advantage in London is that the change in latitude shifts your mundane aspects (aspects formed not in the zodiac, but in the place-sensitive prime vertical). You gain a close Moon-Venus square and a close Mercury-Jupiter square. These would support greater happiness and success.

Again, this all depends on our having the right birth time.

You were inspecific about when this move might take place. We probably should check your solar return for England for whenever that is to give you the best shot at a successful first year.

[ArtGoddess]

Thank you very much, Jim, for all your comments about my chart. I feel really lucky to read you.

You were inspecific about when this move might take place. We probably should check your solar return for England for whenever that is to give you the best shot at a successful first year.

The move to London won't happen before mid-2019, but no later than may 2020. I'm happy to read that moving to that city would improve things.

The closest plan I have is to remain four days in Venice, Italy, during my 2019 Solar Return, as it seems Regulus will conjunct my Medium Coeli.

Regarding my Sun square Neptune:

... and in your case the Sun is exactly square Neptune. This has positive and negative characteristics but, so far as money is concerned, doesn't improve your skills at handling it.

Sun square Neptune (0°07')
Self-view is unrealistic or disproportionate (excessively poor or grand). Nurtures an air of secrecy or mystery. Love of drama, music, fantasy, mysticism, general surrealism. Active imaginations. Potential to move and inspire others if they acquire focus & perseverance. Sensitive to ambient physical & emotional impressions; exaggerates the “feeling tone” of a time & place.

If we trust the 1:04 PM birth time, England has some advantages, including keeping your Sun exactly on MC. Because of your exact Sun-Neptune square, this also means Neptune squares MC (and that the culminating Sun is "Sun aspected by Neptune"); but you're used to this your whole life. The determining factor, I think, is whether you are able to live and express the Neptune fully, otherwise it will drag on you and represent lack of direction, indecision, etc.

Do you know how can I counteract this aspect, and gain determination and focus?

Many, many thanks for your time and knowledge.

[ArtGoddess]

As I have a full list of personal events, is here any astrologer that can do a Rectification of my birth time?

If somebody is available, please, let me know. Thank you!

[Jim Eshelman]

As I have a full list of personal events, is here any astrologer that can do a Rectification of my birth time?

If somebody is available, please, let me know. Thank you!

If someone wants to take this on personally, off the forum, they can speak up, of course.

Otherwise, if you feel comfortable, just post your list here (with all data as accurate as possible, at least to the day and, if you have it, the time and, most importantly, the place). Some of us will try to get to it as time allows.

[ArtGoddess]

As I have a full list of personal events, is here any astrologer that can do a Rectification of my birth time?

If somebody is available, please, let me know. Thank you!

If someone wants to take this on personally, off the forum, they can speak up, of course.

Otherwise, if you feel comfortable, just post your list here (with all data as accurate as possible, at least to the day and, if you have it, the time and, most importantly, the place). Some of us will try to get to it as time allows.

GREAT! That's very kind of you, or whoever takes time to check my data. I have compiled a huge list, with some sensible events: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xdc ... sp=sharing

I hope that it is understandable for any of you. Please, let me know what is your opinion about my birth hour. Thank you again.

[ArtGoddess]

Is anyone interested in rectification? Thank you!!

[ArtGoddess]

I'm really sorry that so few astrologers can rectify a birth hour. Anyway, after asking some professionals, seems my birth time is 13:17.

I decided not to travel this year, due to the imprecision of the situation. So I have spent my solar 2019 return in Valencia, Spain.

@Jim Eshelman I'm curious if at this time (13:17) you still perceive lack of determination and discipline. Also, do you think that moving to London still will be a good idea?

Thank you for your opinions.

[Jim Eshelman]

@Jim Eshelman I'm curious if at this time (13:17) you still perceive lack of determination and discipline. Also, do you think that moving to London still will be a good idea?

1:17 PM still puts Saturn away from an angle, leaves your Sun in the same sign, and leaves Mars closely aspecting Jupiter, so I'd stick with what I said above about "disadvantage and shortage of opportunities... [and] being a bit undisciplined with managing money."

Regarding London, I wrote before,

One strong advantage in London is that the change in latitude shifts your mundane aspects (aspects formed not in the zodiac, but in the place-sensitive prime vertical). You gain a close Moon-Venus square and a close Mercury-Jupiter square. These would support greater happiness and success.

London, like your birthplace, puts your Sun exactly on MC, exactly squared by Neptune - that is, the strongest two factors are the same for both locations. For 1:17 PM, you no longer gain a close mundane Moon-Venus aspect (you have a wide one, probably too wide to make much of an impact), but you do still gain the mundane Mercury-Jupiter aspect. This adds a bit more fortune, You would tend to develop Mercury-Jupiter traits, such as:

Love of ideas and learning. Easy “way with words,” comfortable speaking, reassuring in speech and manner. Well-formed speech has marks of a good education (whether true or not). Good-tempered, kind; may seem shallower than they are. Optimistic, religious style of thinking, e.g., “gambler’s roll” (don’t disturb their “hope & vision” with contradictory facts!). Good business potential (perhaps from raw luck more than skill) and always looking for the next opportunity or lucky break. Poorly suited to fixed schedule or routine.

[ArtGoddess]

Thank you @Jim Eshelman for your answer.