Composite Charts using Natal Factors of Two People calculating their Composite Midpoints.

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Re: Composite Charts using Natal Factors of Two People calculating their Composite Midpoints.

Post by SteveS » Mon May 06, 2019 12:36 pm

Scales just posted about the birth of Harry-Meghan first child, so, since I have recently posted about the malefic Composite of Charles & Diana’s (RIP) Composite, I though it interesting to post the contrasting benefic differences for Harry & Meghan’s Composite.

Prince Harry: 9-15-1984, 4:20 PM, Paddington, England. A rated.
Duchess Meghan: 8-4-1981, 4:46 AM, Canoga Park, California. AA rated.

Robert Hand tells us from his 1975 book, ‘Planets In Composite’ to always pay attention to aspects with Venus-Mars, and we see with Harry/Meghan Composite a cnj of Venus-Mars (1,13), with Venus partile 90 North Node. Ebertin for Venus-Node combo’s:
Love union. Lovers, love unions. Entering into a love union.
Bingo! We see true symbolic love connecting this relationship/composite!

And with c Venus/Mars partile 90 c Node Ebertin offers:
An extremely magnetic personality with regard to sexual attraction. Sex unions.
Another Bingo using Sidereal Astrology teachings partile aspects ‘reign supreme,’ with a potent sexual attraction.

c Mercury partile 90 c Jupiter

We see with this partile aspect benefic communications involving the relationship, always important for a sound relationship.

c Sun partile 90 c Uranus

The Sun in a composite has a-lot to do with the life of the relationship and partile 90 c Uranus assures an exciting—progressive life for the relationship. Both c Jupiter and c Uranus are in the 7th house of spousal relationship.

Using only the partile 0,90, 180 aspects (a mainstay for Sidereal Astrology teachings) we see very benefic aspects for this Royal marriage!

The only possible malefic aspects presented by this Composite is a Saturn-Pluto cnj (1,51) in the spousal 7th house. I strongly suspect this will manifest as burdensome energy being a Royal Couple with it’s burdensome public demands.

Angular (IC) Moon squares Pluto (1,55), which could swing either way, beneficially or malefically, for maybe an intense emotional life being a Royal Couple. But, I think the Sun and Venus action in this Composite insures a harmonious life of love for the relationship.

This Composite Chart speaks louder to me than the Synastry Charts.

Prince Harry & Meghan Composite:
https://imgur.com/N44ESvU

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Re: Composite Charts using Natal Factors of Two People calculating their Composite Midpoints.

Post by Arena » Tue May 07, 2019 5:10 am

SteveS wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 11:00 am
Princess Diana: July 1 1961, 7:45 PM, Sandringham, England. A rated
Prince Charles: Nov 14 1948, 9:14 PM, London, England. A rated

Mars partile cnj Neptune in the 7th House of Spousal Relationships is plenty to describe a tormenting relationship/marriage for both Charles & Diana. Mars and Neptune partile 90 Uranus; Mars partile 60 Pluto. These 3 partile Mars aspects alone, which is par-excellent symbolism using main guidelines with Sidereal Astrology for a relationship torn by the strife of Mars.
There is also a Sun-Saturn aspect.

They married in July 1981.
"Diana and Charles announced a separation in 1992, though they continued to carry out their royal duties. In August 1996, two months after Queen Elizabeth II urged the couple to divorce, the prince and princess reached a final agreement."
They were together for 11 years before separating, formally married for 15 years and she died a year after they split up.

Observations:
The WP of this composite has 11 degrees to that Mars-Nep conjunction.
The DSC of this composite conjuncts that Mars-Neptune conjunction just 15°.

Almost 8 years after their wedding, Diana confronts Camilla at a party - so by that time she knows about Charles' affair. Shortly after she seem to have had her own affair/s.
The IC of the composite is 8° from Uranus and Uranus is almost 9° from Venus.
Pluto is almost 9° from Mercury.

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Re: Composite Charts using Natal Factors of Two People calculating their Composite Midpoints.

Post by Arena » Tue May 07, 2019 7:01 am

Prince Harry: 9-15-1984, 4:20 PM, Paddington, England. A rated.
Duchess Meghan: 8-4-1981, 4:46 AM, Canoga Park, California. AA rated.
I know they just had their first child and they are newly weds... but I am not as optimistic about their composite chart as you are Steve. They have a concurrent angularity of Moon, Saturn and Pluto in their composite chart. They said yes sometime between 12-13 on their wedding day which means they have a better angularity in their wedding chart, it's either Jup & Mer or Jup & Sun angular. So that helps them. ... BUT their wedding chart also has the Moon-Saturn symbolism, in about exact opposition and that Moon-Saturn is shown again in Meghan's natal chart as a partile conjunction (but she does have Jup conjunct that as well, which will help her). Something very sad is going to be going on in her/their emotional life.

Ebertin about Moon-Saturn:
Inhibited, lonely and sad people. The lonely woman or mother.
The tendency or inclination to build upon the tradition of the family or of the vocation, inherited or assigned positions, difficult advancement in life, often alone in life.
Considering the composite angularity, when looking to Ebertin's Moon-Saturn-Pluto, or Saturn-Pluto=Moon we see:
Organic suffering in conjunction with strong feelings of depression. Separation from the wife or from the mother. ... A melancholy person, a coldness or feeling or frigidity, abstemiousness. The tragic destiny of a woman.
And about Meghan's personal Moon-Jup=Saturn tight conjunction, Ebertin says:
Indifference, negligence, injustice, inner conflicts. - The inability to be happy, being cut off from happiness, separation from the wife.
Adding to this, the Saturn of their wedding chart is square her Moon-Jup=Saturn conjunction and trine her Venus - and the wedding Saturn is also conjunct Harry's personal chart ASC.

Yes sure, it is great to have that Venus-Mars and Jup-Mer. However, I don't think it's very good for them to have Moon-Pluto and Moon-Saturn. And in fact I would predict this marriage will possibly be either short lived with that Saturn-Pluto conjunction right on the WP OR having to go through some sufferings. Something VERY heavy is about to happen to this relationship in my view. A shock that stuns the senses, a horrible feeling of loss within the first 4-9 years; seen from that WP conj and Sat-Pl coming into a square to the Moon. And using the SA method, then I would say that even if that first shock/downer does not break them up, they will have another one coming in within 7-9 yrs when the comp DSC comes to conjunct the Saturn and Pluto. That is going to be very heavy on them.

Let's hope that their wedding chart angularity will help them, the Jup&Mer or Jup&Sun.

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Re: Composite Charts using Natal Factors of Two People calculating their Composite Midpoints.

Post by SteveS » Tue May 07, 2019 7:37 am

Excellent observations Arena for the composite of Charles & Diana, thanks.

Yes, I understand where you are coming from Arena with Harry & Meghan’s composite. With Hand and Townley relying heavily on house delineations, Saturn alone in the 7th house would indicated a likely strain/inhibition for the marriage. And when we combine both Saturn and Pluto on the WP as per your observation, could be a very heavy separative burden for their future marriage. And your observation with Meghan's Natal Moon-Saturn cnj, could spell some type of future downer. Time will tell. Thanks for your take/observations on their composite chart. We definitely see contrasting aspects with this composite.

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Post by Arena » Tue May 07, 2019 8:20 am

As soon as I had written that about Meghan and Harry I started to wonder again if we should consider relocated composite charts. Since Meghan is relocating to London, she will be adding new angles to her chart and this may add something to the picture into their composite chart, although they still will have this composite - perhaps their relocated composite gives them some help.

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Re: Composite Charts using Natal Factors of Two People calculating their Composite Midpoints.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 07, 2019 8:32 am

I do think that relocated composite charts have value, not as a fundamental statement of the relationship but as a layer showingtemporary effects in a particular spot. Relocate both natals and then composite the results
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Re: Composite Charts using Natal Factors of Two People calculating their Composite Midpoints.

Post by SteveS » Tue May 07, 2019 3:56 pm

Jim wrote:
I do think that relocated composite charts have value, not as a fundamental statement of the relationship but as a layer showing temporary effects in a particular spot. Relocate both natals and then composite the results.
Harry/Meghan Composite with their natals relocated to London. Very interesting.

https://imgur.com/IKYknB9

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Re: Composite Charts using Natal Factors of Two People calculating their Composite Midpoints.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 07, 2019 6:38 pm

SteveS wrote:
Mon May 06, 2019 12:36 pm
Prince Harry: 9-15-1984, 4:20 PM, Paddington, England.
Duchess Meghan: 8-4-1981, 4:46 AM, Canoga Park, California.
The Composite does does not look happy. It's ripe for a torrid, passionate affair (especially around London), but not for longevity or marital happiness. It's fundamentally separative, even tragic.

There is also severity in their synastry, especially with her Mars exactly on his Descendant. Her chart atop his primarily draws that aspect plus her Sun square his Saturn (which can mean longevity, of course), Her Moon squares his Jupiter,but so do her Saturn and Jupiter. For sizzle, her Venus squares (with moderate orbs) his Mars and Uranus.

Flip it around, his chart atop hers, and the main features are his Sun square her Neptune (35') and his Saturn square her Sun (48'). On a positive note, his Jupiter squares her Moon: He uplifted her to the royal family. More widely, his Mars squares her Venus and his Venus hovers near her IC but also her Pluto.

There are a few positive notes, with emphasis on few, but the basic synastry (bad as it is) shows a much better chance of things than the Composite.

At least they had transiting Venus cross Composite Ascendant for the birth.
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Re: Composite Charts using Natal Factors of Two People calculating their Composite Midpoints.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue May 07, 2019 7:06 pm

A curio just discovered: Our selected wedding chart already has three Venuses angular: transiting Venus and Marion's Venus conjoined and exactly setting, my Venus on EP.

I just noticed there is a fourth: Composite Venus is less than a degree from IC of the same chart (targeting May 27, 2019, 6:01:44 PM PDT, 33N46'27", 117W00'18").

However, there aren't a lot of transits to the Composite for the event, and the ones we find are strange (except two):

t Uranus op. c Neptune 0°56'
-- t Jupiter ssq. c Neptune 0°47''
t Saturn sqq. c Jupiter 0°53'
t Sun conj. c Jupiter 0°39'
t Venus sq. c Uranus 0°07'
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Re: Composite Charts using Natal Factors of Two People calculating their Composite Midpoints.

Post by SteveS » Wed May 08, 2019 7:49 am

Jim wrote:
The Composite does not look happy. It's ripe for a torrid, passionate affair (especially around London), but not for longevity or marital happiness. It's fundamentally separative, even tragic.
I hope the ‘tragic’ part does not manifest. Thanks for your input Jim.

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