Karma?

[Whichwitch]

Hello Everyone. I have a questions please. My younger brother and I have a bizarre dynamic that I was wondering if anyone could explain / shed light on. My brother and I have a reoccurring theme in our relationship since I was a small child. My brother Pat has always been accident prone, reckless and this has extended into adulthood (to this day). It ranges the gambit from being attacked by a Mastiff dog as a child, falling off bridges onto railroad tracks, falling off palm tree fronds etc as a child - to getting massivly addicted to drugs (pot, coke, meth, heroin) as a teenager thru current and all the fringe benefits that come with that lifestyle including half is life in prison with a cornucopia of ongoing medical issues over the years.

My part in this is I have always been the protector/warrior/savior for as long as I can remember. Fighting the dog off, running for help, holding the California Department of Corrections responsible for flagrant lapses in medical treatment/suing them on behalf of my brother etc....

What I am interested to know is does any of this show up in our charts? Karma?

My birth data is:
February 18, 1965. 9:06 pm
Los Angeles, CA

My brother Pat:
July 25, 1966. 5:12am
Los Angeles, CA

Thank you in advance for any insight!

[Jim Eshelman]

I'm at the airport, oro ably won't get to this soon. Hopefully others will answer.

[Whichwitch]

Hi Jim, even if you post a week from now, all is good! Have a wonderful trip!

[SteveS]

Whichwitch wrote:

My brother Pat has always been accident prone, reckless and this has extended into adulthood (to this day). 

Hi Whichwitch and welcome to the forum. There is a very important astrological configuration in your brother's Natal chart which explains his life of being accident prone, which is explained by Ebertin's astrological system of Cosmobiology. Your brother Pat was born with a Sun/Mars = Ascendant direct midpoint, which is one of the two most important midpoints in his entire Natal Chart as recognized by Cosmobiologists. This links Pat's Natal Mars strongly to his Natal Ascendant, and Sidereal Astrology recognizes the angles of any chart as the most important astronomical points in a chart, particularly the Natal Chart explaining certain conditions for our life. In Ebertin's book 'The Combination of Stellar Influences' (COSI) he says for 'Biological Correspondence' for Mars- Ascendant combo's:

Prone to accidents. A surgical operation.

Also, it should be noted by Ebertin's Cosmobiology system, one's Natal Ascendant has a-lot to do with the physical body pertaining to any type of health issues. And speaking of the issue of health, a Cosmobiologists would immediately recognize the second most important direct midpoint in Pat's Natal---his Moon/Saturn =Ascendant. The school of Sidereal Astrology has long recognized Moon-Saturn aspects as a possible red flag for inhibited health issues. A few year back in my life, I had a double whammy of Moon-Saturn in my Sidereal Solar Return and was afflicted with the worst health conditions I ever experienced in my life. Ebertin says about a Moon-Saturn Midpoint from his book 'COSI':

Inhibition of development, inhibited development of the personality. ...sick or depressed people...

Whichwitch, the personal points of a chart are the lights (Sun & Moon) and the primary angles (Ascendant and MC). The main 'points' in your brother's (Pat) Natal Chart involve the two traditional malefic's known in astrology ( Mars & Saturn) tied together with Pat's Sun & Moon involving two most important natal direct midpoints with Pat's Natal Ascendant (a personal point). In other words, Pat's Natal personal points are afflicted, a very recognizable/important astrological signature in Pat's Natal chart, recognized by a Cosmobiologist.

Whichwitch, IMO, a important chart to analyze between two people involving a long relationship is the Composite Chart, which combines two chart's and produces the midpoints of the two charts. I don't have much experience with Synastry or Composite Charts, but I know this: I have been married 48 years and the Composite Chart with my wife & I explains to me as an astrologer a-lot to do with our long-lasting marriage. Below is a link to you and Pat's Composite chart. I immediately note with this Composite Chart—its most important contact—c Moon 02,48 in the sign Libra tightly opposed c Venus (relationships) at 01,42 Aries. From Ebertin's book 'COSI' about Moon-Venus combos:

Principle: The feeling of love, devotion.

This explains to me the strong emotional love ties which exists between you and your brother. It also certainly explains to me the 'devotion' you have for your brother. I tip my hat to you Whichwitch, Pat is lucky to have you and I note in his natal chart—he has the planet of luck (Jupiter) rising.

Composite Chart:
https://imgur.com/teL4ymX

[Whichwitch]

Hello SteveS. Thank you so very much for explaining my brothers lifetime if health issues/accidents. You just blew my mind . I am going to have to research the information you provided - THANK YOU!!!!!!! <3

[TheScales_BothWays]

Hi Whichwitch, let me welcome you to Solunars.

Looking at the synastry between you and your brother, it seems clear to me that you are a benefic influence upon him. Your Jupiter-Neptune opposition makes 45° and 135° aspects to his Venus respectively (Jupiter to Venus is 0°50', Neptune to Venus is 0°28'). Your Venus aspects his Neptune in return by 2°01', and your Saturn doesn't do anything to his chart.

I believe using Jim's method of using one's planets as transits to another's chart would reveal this better. (Jim uses this method as we all are intersections of time and space, and therefore, in synastry, we are like transits to each other.)

Using your planets as transits to his chart, he has:
Neptune conj. r.Venus, 0°28'
Jupiter opp. r.Neptune, 0°42'
Jupiter semisq. r.Venus, 0°50'
(I'm excluding the 0°36' Neptune-Neptune conjunction because you both are born close in time.)

You give him hope and you relax him from his worries. You're like a guardian angel saving him and preventing the worst from befalling onto him. (Jupiter, in my experience, is a great planet for damage control. It gives some recovery even after the worst had happened. Jupiter transiting natal Neptune also means fresh starts and anxieties being relieved. Your brother himself also has Jupiter angular in his natal chart.) You generally treat him well, you may even indulge and pamper him, but your Mars semisquares his Moon too, by 1°02', so you can also get on his nerves and get him mad at you if you want.

I'm not good with determining karmic relationships, but there are ideas that the Moon's nodes are linked to karma and relationships, and FWIW, your Jupiter is 4°06' from his North Node, and your Neptune is 2°46' from his South Node.

[SteveS]

Whichwitch wrote:

Hello SteveS. Thank you so very much for explaining my brothers lifetime if health issues/accidents. You just blew my mind . I am going to have to research the information you provided - THANK YOU!!!!!!! 

Thank you Whichwitch for posting you and your brother's birth data, along with highlighting certain life events. It helps us all learn. Your brother's Natal is a textbook example for the value of Direct Natal Midpoints involving the lights and angles for a Natal. Below are a couple of links which help better explain with more detail the astrological value for Midpoints/Cosmobiology.

https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2388

https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3352

[Jim Eshelman]

This is a fascinating question and pair of charts. Thanks for the opportunity to dig into them.

My younger brother and I have a bizarre dynamic that I was wondering if anyone could explain / shed light on. My brother and I have a reoccurring theme in our relationship since I was a small child. My brother Pat has always been accident prone, reckless and this has extended into adulthood (to this day). It ranges the gambit from being attacked by a Mastiff dog as a child, falling off bridges onto railroad tracks, falling off palm tree fronds etc as a child - to getting massivly addicted to drugs (pot, coke, meth, heroin) as a teenager thru current and all the fringe benefits that come with that lifestyle including half is life in prison with a cornucopia of ongoing medical issues over the years.

Your brother's tendency to get into trouble, and particularly to suffer injury, isn't a mystery at all, it's in the simplest part of his chart: Sun-sign, Moon-sign, and most angular planet.

First, his luminaries are both in Rim (Cardinal) signs: Cancer Sun and Libra Moon. The thing most reliably known bout double Rims is that they get into more trouble in life - both with themselves and others - than any other of the nine quadruplicity types. (Of these, Libra Moon is the most likely to be deemed a "black sheep" type.) Just from this, one can't tell what kind of trouble, but one can tell he'd definitely charge into physical, psychological, or social bumps and bruises. (Rim Moons are specifically characteristic of young men in prison, sometimes for much worse than he did.)

His most angular planet is Mars, 1°27' from square Midheaven. In a character type likely to get into trouble with himself and others, a Mars temperament would usually indicate this is through fights or accidents (or similar Mars matters). That takes care of almost everything you listed, especially because most or all had to do with his own recklessness, a definite Mars trait (perhaps even more so in young boys).

The biggest puzzle to me is why these were "passive" injuries, i.e., done "to him" rather than, say, from fights or combat. I think the main answer is that they aren't passive, they are indeed from his own dare-doing, risk-taking behavior. (The specific example of addiction has its own pattern in various kinds of Mercury-Mars combinations; in his case, Mars angular in Gemini, with Moon aspecting both Mercury and Mars.)

He has one other closely angular planet, though: Jupiter is rising within a few degrees. So, amidst all this trouble, it's not surprising that his "story" includes a measure of protection or other advantage. Whether by karma or character design, he was going to "arrange" to live his life with a strong measure of protection.

My part in this is I have always been the protector/warrior/savior for as long as I can remember. Fighting the dog off, running for help, holding the California Department of Corrections responsible for flagrant lapses in medical treatment/suing them on behalf of my brother etc....

You, of course, are the compassionate savior, the rescuer of the underdog and troubled - Aquarius Sun that you are, among other things (such as the strongly socially compassionate T-square of Venus, Jupiter, and Neptune. (Venus-Neptune alone is famous for savior-victim relationships: being either the savior, the victim, or the martyr in close relationships, and sometimes mixing them around.) But, the question remains, what is it that binds the particular victim-savior relationship between you and your brother?

[Jim Eshelman]

My part in this is I have always been the protector/warrior/savior for as long as I can remember. Fighting the dog off, running for help, holding the California Department of Corrections responsible for flagrant lapses in medical treatment/suing them on behalf of my brother etc....

What's interesting to me, at first look, is we'd expect your brother to be the warrior-protector with his Mars and Jupiter straddling your MC. This opens the question of why he isn't, why you are, and what else is in the mix.

Looking at his planets around your chart, I most notice the following: His Mars and Jupiter are each a few degrees from your MC, which normally would mean that he is some kind of protector-warrior or warrior-king in your eyes.

His luminaries have no particular connection to your chart. His Jupiter is on your MC but his Venus has no particular connection to you. His Mars is at your MC square your Moon (his Mars is the strongest planetary connection from his chart to yours), but his Saturn has only a pretty wide opposition to your Mars (not enough to make mutual conflict the heart of the relationship, but enough to show you've had some troubles together).

Flipping it around - your planets around the outside of his chart - again the main feature is your Moon on his angles, highlighting the square of your Moon to his Mars. This can be conflictual, at the very least stressful. In another type of relationship (one of sexual attraction), the aspect shows (to simplify) as potent reciprocal attraction co-existing with plenty of trouble: I think something or the same dynamic applies here, of two people potently drawn to ferocious interaction, a bond that won't be denied yet no shortage of trouble. (And it's on both your angles and his.)

Your luminaries otherwise leave his chart alone. His malefics have only the wide opposition to your Saturn mentioned above.

Your Venus-Jupiter-Neptune tie into his Neptune. This doesn't add much except I can't ignore the 0°43' opposition of his Neptune to your Jupiter. In almost any relationship, this would tend to make you feel (and perhaps act) charitably toward him, somewhat to your detriment (e.g., you are hurt by his deceptions or leeching).


So, what does this boil down to? First, you are each acting according to your individual natures, his to take risks and get into trouble, yours to play White Knight for the underdog. Second, you two have a powerful bitter-sweet aspect in the Moon-Mars interchange, sitting on his angles and yours, which draws you together in ferocious interaction, a bond that won't be denied yet with no shortage of trouble. I think the meaning of his Mars-Jupiter on your MC is something like: He loves having adventures with you and, by now, identifies you as his trench-buddy on the battlefield, and you tend to stir a bit of trouble together.

In terms of signs, your charts are strangely disconnected, almost avoiding similarities (other than the adventure-seeking and trouble-stirring Mars: Yours in Virgo, his in Gemini). You are cut fro quite different (and not necessarily compatible) cloth.

As for karmic connections, I think the answer has to be a definite yes. Anytime we enact a long-term (in this case, lifelong) pattern with someone we've arranged to be in our life so long, there is inevitably such history. I can't say what the connection was, though I think it most .likely to have been comrades-at-arms in some fashion.

[Jim Eshelman]

Your brother is approaching a turning point in his life. Transiting Pluto is about to cross his Descendant (in the next few months, then on and off for a year or more). Saturn will cross it soon after, a bit of a one-two punch before the end of the year, as if he's receiving consequences of his actions and a hard, isolating blow for a while. Since Saturn opposes his Jupiter just before, there may be a financial blow just ahead of the rest.

Transiting Neptune opposes his natal Uranus and Pluto. You can look these up individually, but the general thrust is that there are strange psychological states and lots of subconscious content stirred and demanding changing circumstances.

With progressed Mercury opposing his Saturn, the above is probably driven by some sort of getting in trouble again (this time in ways described by Mercury-Saturn). Over the next year or so, he'll begin to change his entire life-game (probably to something more humble and contemplative).

[Whichwitch]

TheScales_BothWays and Jim, THANK you kindly both of you for taking the time to give me your viewpoints on my relationship with my brother. I truly have been and am currently the protector of my brother's choices in life... i.e. his terrible choices and the fallout of his choices/addictions.

"Flipping it around - your planets around the outside of his chart - again the main feature is your Moon on his angles, highlighting the square of your Moon to his Mars. This can be conflictual, at the very least stressful. In another type of relationship (one of sexual attraction), the aspect shows (to simplify) as potent reciprocal attraction co-existing with plenty of trouble: I think something or the same dynamic applies here, of two people potently drawn to ferocious interaction, a bond that won't be denied yet no shortage of trouble. (And it's on both your angles and his.).

Yes.... yes.... yes.... and everything else you wrote... yes.

Thank you both! I am so grateful for your both taking the time to respond to my request for help <3