Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

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Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

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Here follow horoscopes of leading (first generation) Sidereal astrology pioneers.
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Cyril Fagan

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Donald Bradley (Garth Allen)

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Brig. Roy C. Firebrace

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Neil L. Block (Gary Duncan)

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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

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Are we to trust the birth times of exact minute, 12pm and 5pm? Or are those guesses?
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google astrodatabank with the name of the person. It gives a list of all the famous astrologers who rectified these birthtimes to heck and back and what they came up with. I think Fagan's mother said 11:45 AM because his father came in to see her after the baby was born still wearing his top hat (he was a physician in Dublin) just as the bells were chiming noon - there would have been some cleaning up before he was let in.
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B.F. Firebrace Birth Data correction.

Jim, you gave 5 pm LMT ..

according to astro.com it's 4:45 pm LMT or 9 pm UT, Rodden -A- ,

16Aug1889, Halifax, Canada.

Corrected time brings a clear Moon paran-sq Venus aspect into focus.
Of course, Solunars & Progressions are affected as well.



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This is the time Roy himself gave me.
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also got this time from SPICA: SPICA 1/1973, p.39, given as 9:00:19 PM GMT.
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And I just found (on review) one of his letters that gives 9:03. Obviously he was playing with his time. I should probably use the 9:03 UT for what's displayed.
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Re: Horoscopes of Sidereal Pioneers

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Jim,

In SPICA Vol ll #3
April 1963

Firebrace wrote an article on whether the N.Q. should be drawn for Birth Place or Residence.
At that time (did he change his mind?) he felt that Solar & Lunar Returns should be drawn for Residence.
But, that NQ's showed statistically better for BP than Locality.

And Firebrace was using the 9:01 pm GMT birth time.

In the SPICA article he gave examples of his marriage and WWl honors.
Calculating these charts in SF v.9 turns out he progressed these charts using Q1 (BIJA)
which would appear to be more telling than by Q2; I know most Siderelists have disregarded the Q1 in favor of the Q2. However, I find plenty of in working with solar and lunar returns and their progressions.

Do you recommend the Q1 or Q2?
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Q2. In one set of data after another, it shows better (closer and more appropriate angularities and Moon aspects) at least 2 times out of 3, sometimes 3 out of 4. I might be forced to admit that the Q1 has independent (though markedly lesser) significance, though logically that seems preposterous. And, despite Roy's study, both logic and experience align in saying they need to be done for locale.
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Re: Neil L. Block (Gary Duncan)

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I just found the following quite excellent article by my old friend Michael Erlewine about Gary Duncan. I recommend it as a fairly intimate portrait of a Sidereal Pioneer. (Also quite accurate. I only found two small facts I think are wrong and neither has to do with Gary's history or character.)
https://www.astrologysoftware.com/commu ... uncan.html
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