San Bernadino shooting massacre

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Posted Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:36 pm by Jupiter Sets At Dawn
Active shooter in San Bernadino, 1300 block of s. Waterman. 20 hurt so far. Fire dept tweeted about 20 minutes ago, sheriff's dept confirms. Just being announced on cable tv.

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Posted Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:14 pm by Jim Eshelman
Prelminary...

YEAR: Southern California has an angular Neptune for the year. In San Barnardino, Neptune is 1°04' from IC, with the exact Mars-Saturn square also foreground.

QUARTER: Add Saturn to the EP. In San Bernardino, it's 0°23'.

MONTH: Mars is 0°05' from Caplunar horizon. Venus, Jupiter, and Uranus are more widely foreground.

WEEK: Mercury squares Asc (0°48') in the Canlunar, Uranus is 2°23' from MC and Moon 3°29' from Ascendant, thus a 1°06' mundane Moon-Uranus square.

DAY: CapQ isn't all that impressive (Sun). I think the main daily timing is transiting Neptune 0°03' from Capsolar IC. Over the next several hours, Moon will be opposing that Neptune as it crosses the Capsolar MC for Santa Barbara.

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Posted Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:07 pm by Jim Eshelman
UPDATED 6 PM PST: 14 are dead and another 18 wounded. Two assailants (a man and a woman) were killed by police. A third person has been detained and may or may not be part of the events

It occurred at 11:00 AM (Wikipedia says 10:59) at the Inland Regional Center (34N04'34", 117W16'39") in San Bernardino. There was a dispute at an office holiday luncheon, one party left due to that and returned with one or more accomplices and weapons (assault weapons and semi-automatic hand guns).

This is America's 355th mass shooting this year (out of 335 days). It's tag line is "America's worst mass-shooting since Sandy Hook."

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Posted Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:27 am by Jim Eshelman
Okay, ready for the full workup... Don't miss the aspects in the Libsolar, or the zeroing in of the lunar ingresses and of transits to the Capsolar.

Year: Capsolar
Neptune on IC (1°01')
Saturn rising (4°02')
Mars on IC (4°24')
-- Mars-Saturn sq. (0°08')
-- Ma/Sa (0°11')
Moon-Jupiter sq. (2°01')

Bridge
t. Neptune op. s. MC 8/3 to 1/15
t. Saturn sq. s. MC or conj. s. EP 11/10 to 1/13 (to MC only: 11/10-12/14)
EVENT WINDOW: Nov 10 to Jan 13, & probably 11/10-12/13

Quarter: Libsolar
Saturn on EP (0°24')
Neptune & Venus widely foreground
-- Venus-Neptune op, (1°01' in mundo)
-- Venus-Saturn sq. (1°01' in mundo)
-- Saturn-Neptune sq. (2°02' in mundo)
-- Ve=Sa/Ne (0°00')

Month: Caplunar (11/16/15)
Mars on Dsc (0°05')
Venus on Dsc (3°01')
Jupiter & Uranus widely foreground
-- Ju/Ur on horizon (0°03')
Moon-Sun-Mercury configuration
-- Moon-Sun sq. (0°01' in mundo)
-- Moon-Mercury sq. (0°32')
-- Sun-Mercury conj. (0°33')

Week: Canlunar (Dormant.) Moon-Venus sq. (1°24').

Week: Arilunar (11/23/15)
Neptune on WP (0°49')
Saturn on IC (3°01')
-- Saturn-Neptune sq. (0°22')
Sun, Mercury, Jupiter widely foreground
-- Mercury-Saturn conj. (2°42')
-- Su/Ju (0°35')

Day: Capsolar Quotidian & Transits
p. MC op. s. Sun (0°25')
p. EP conj. t. Venus (0°24')
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t. Neptune op. s. MC (0°05')
t. Saturn sq. s. MC (0°37')
p. EP conj. t. Sun (0°07')

SUMMARY
Year (+2): Neptune (Mars Saturn). Moon-Jupiter Mars-Saturn Ma/Sa
Bridge (+2): Saturn Neptune Saturn-Neptune (Cap).
Half-Year: (Dormant.)
Quarter (+2): Saturn (Venus Neptune). Venus-Saturn-Neptune.
Month (+2): Mars (Venus Jupiter Uranus). Moon-Sun-Mercury Ju/Ur.
Week: (Dormant.) Moon-Venus.
Week (Arilunar, +2): Neptune (Sun Mercury Jupiter Saturn). Su/Ju Mercury-Saturn Saturn-Neptune.
Day (Capsolar): Sun Venus (CapQ, -2). Saturn Neptune Saturn-Neptune (transits, +2).
Day (Cansolar): (Dormant.)

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Posted Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:59 am by Jim Eshelman
Can we diagnose cause from this? (That's the remaining question: What was it really about? What was behind it, with the real question being, "Was this terrorism?"?)

I don't see classic markers for terrorist attacks - not that there is a single pattern, though. We're used to a string of Uranus-Pluto, and this is a very Saturn-Neptune driven event, with plenty of Mars. The strong Venus-Neptune opposition in the Libsolar (this time joined by Saturn) is typical of shooting massacres overall - Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Overland Park, and individual murders like John Lennon - though it does have a couple of terrorist events (Paris, the 1979 Grand Mosque seizure), so that can't be ruled out.

The Capsolar, Libsolar, and primary daily timers are violent, terrifying, and horrible. The Caplunar is purely violent, the Arilunar primarily horrifying. The Jupiter presence is minimal, so I'm less inclined to think this is religious or ideological. The Sun factors are more common, which is sometimes a hit against a government but also could be pride and ego issues. And Mercury-Saturn doesn't usually show up for events like this, though it's closest equivalent is Ruby Ridge.

So, at present, I'm inclined to think this really was a personal matter, carried out by someone who also was a weapons nut. If someone has a fight, goes home, comes back with a couple of friends in tactical gear and loaded with weapons that were stockpiled around the house, I really don't care if it's a dark skinned Pakistani Muslim or a good ol' boy redneck white Christian. It all seems kinda the same to me.

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Posted Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:06 am by Jim Eshelman
Looks like I was probably wrong about that. News broke this morning that the female involved in the shooting had pledged allegiance to ISIS leadership in a Facebook post under another name.

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Posted Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:22 pm by Jupiter Sets At Dawn
I don't think you were necessarily wrong. I think they were planning something else (or just something, maybe no specific plans had yet been decided on) but he had a problem at (or with) the Christmas Party which led to him leaving in a huff, and he decided this was what he wanted to do rather than take out a mall full of shoppers.

I think this was a blend of her Daesh inspired plans and his unhappiness with his work environment. I also think it's a bit soon to call it. And there's also the problem of the FBI investigating the causes. When the people signing off on your budget always want you to use a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

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Posted Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:24 pm by Jim Eshelman
Thanks. I agree with you. - I just wanted to be quick to admit I might be wrong on that.

If later evidence requires me to say, "Hey, I was right after all," I'm willing to do that

The charts are truly ugly - tragic. Within that, they simply look most like (I hate being able to say this) your ordinary, everyday shooting slaughter massacre.

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Posted Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:26 pm by Jupiter Sets At Dawn
Always ready to admit you might be wrong.

The thing that stands out to me is he was killing people he knew and was apparently on friendly terms with. People who'd given him a baby shower and saw every day.

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Posted Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:39 pm by Jupiter Sets At Dawn
The FBI released their apartment back to the landlord earlier this morning, and the landlord let the press inside to paw through their possessions, photos, the baby's crib and toys... I turned it off.

But it didn't look like they'd planned ahead any. I think although there was some planning, the actual act was a spur of the moment decision.

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Posted Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:26 pm by Jim Eshelman
OK, FBI has announced that their conclusion for now is that the shooters were not formally associated with any terrorist group.

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Posted Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:04 pm by SteveS
Jim states from his book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns:’

I do not consider the Vertex an angle so much as an important “sensitive point.” Planets conjunct, opposite, or square the Vertex are highly accented…


Wikipedia gives the time for the San Bernardino shootings 10:59 AM PST, Dec 2 2015. Computing San Bernardino’s CapQ for the above time produces a very interesting timed event of:
Q Vertex of 07,15 Scorpio
Q Mars 08,05 Aqu
Q Saturn 07,21 Taurus

This is only one case incident, but I have seen a couple other Q charts with individuals where outstanding Vertex symbolism was present. Jim, is Q vertex’s a valid represented for partile planetary aspects associated with the vx? And, would vx symbolism apply more to the location of an event than looking at DC charts with SMA?

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Posted Sun Dec 20, 2015 1:51 pm by Jim Eshelman

SteveS wrote:
This is only one case incident, but I have seen a couple other Q charts with individuals where outstanding Vertex symbolism was present. Jim, is Q vertex’s a valid represented for partile planetary aspects associated with the vx? And, would vx symbolism apply more to the location of an event than looking at DC charts with SMA?


I have on my list of things to do an entirely separate study of Vertex in the ingresses and their progressions. My simple answer is, "there has been insufficient research to answer this question at this time."

When doing the original SMA work, I was just overwhelmed with the number of angular hits and hadn't yet sorted through how to put all this data into perspective. By now, we have a far leaner, tighter, more directed way of using these tools, so the chaos is quieted a bit. At the time, also, when I would see Vertex hits they would be minor, supplemental, occasionally interesting, and sometimes contradictory. All in all, the best solution was to ignore them completely, at least for that stage of the research, and come back later to assess them.

But this means recalculating every ingress and quotidian at every level for every event, which is an enormous amount of work and all manual sorting. I nearly cower at the idea.

Here, though, is the approach I would suggest (and, when I get to this, the approach I probably will use) for a separate report on the matter:

1. Recalculate all the charts and create a simple tabulation of all the hits. (Not sure if it should be more conservative than regular orbs but currently thinking 3° for Vx/AVx, 2° for SP/NP).

2. Do a simple White Hats / Black Hats tabulation like in Chapter 1 of SMA. It seems to me that if this is valid in the same way as the other angles that it should produce the same simpe "malefics high / benefics low" curve of the ingresses in general.

3. If it passes that threshold and looks like something is going on, then the entire mechanism of dormancy/flow-through has to be reexamined as if we have different data. I'm show the basic ideas are correct (they nearly drive the whole methodology these days), but we nonetheless have to consider that charts previously thought dormant are, in fact, not dormant. But no use looking at this until we see if Step 2 passes.

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Posted Sun Dec 20, 2015 8:29 pm by SteveS
Thanks Jim.

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Posted Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:37 pm by Jim Eshelman
Steve, I want to make sure you saw the Vertex thread under the Ingresses forum.

I only got a few categories done - I targeted some that should have been representative - and the results were quite negative. Whereas these same categories of events produced "white hat / black hat" results with Mars and Saturn high, Jupiter and Venus low using Moon and the other angles, this isn't what we got for the Vertex. For Vertex events, the same events were starkly Jupiter dominated.

There is an occasional solid great hit, e.g., 9/11 couldn't be more perfect for Vertex hits. But great results would be randomly produced occasionally if nothing were going on. I even considered that Vertex was suppressive of activity, as if it were enforced as an unconscious or background quality, and that doesn't hold up in the face of the occasional event like 9/11 or the example you found above.

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Posted Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:07 pm by Jim Eshelman
There are certain patterns parts of the angularity model that I think are distinctive to human neurology - to psychological patterns we've unlocked through evolution. Generally these have to do with repressiveness, restriction, blockage, which does not exist in the same sense in nature (different the natural resistance of a harder substance as in erosion, for example).

I got started on this line of thought years ago on struggling with the fact that all the basic studies of angularity that involve natal charts and return charts show a classic fore / middle / back "Three Grounds" model, but the largest study of angularity ever done - the Caplunar rainfall study - shows a "bottom out mid-quadrant" model. This was disturbing in its inconsistency until I realized that these were neatly divided thus: (1) The studies involving people that I trusted most had the "Three Grounds" formation. (2) The studies involving raw phenomena in nature followed the "trough in the middle" model.

From this, I came to the following conclusion, which I think is the real picture:

(1) One "expressiveness curve" peaks at the angles and troughs half-way between them, mid-quadrant. We see it in nature, in human experience, everywhere.
(2) One "repressiveness curve" exists only in human (and possibly animal) neurology/psychology. It peaks in strength (maximum repressiveness) at the cadent cusps, and troughs half-way between them (mid-angular house).
(3) The curve that draws attention is the one that is nearest its peak at a given location. Thus, while "expressiveness" drops to its minimum mid-quadrant (mid-succedent), this isn't the maximum of inexpressiveness, because the "repressiveness curve" continues to intensify all the way to the cadent cusp.

This makes human psychology more psychologically complicated than rainfall which, duh, it is!


This has relevance to the Vertex issue, which might be an expression of something similar.

When I first started working with the Vertex, I had only the original proposed definition that it dealt with matters of fate.

I reasoned that, since maximum expressiveness, which probably also means maximum aware consciousness, was through proximity to the horizon and meridian, then Vertex was the only
"angle" that did not necessarily have any connection to those two great circles at all. The Vertex might happen to be in the foreground, but can't be relied upon to be there. Thus, its nature could not intrinsically be connected to conscious awareness.

This was the key - because I don't believe in "fate" the way it was first meant for the Vertex. I believe we create every aspect of our existence. Things that appear "fated, out of the blue, coming form nowhere, 'I didn't do that,'" etc. had to be unconsciously created. I floated this idea past Zip Dobyns and she instantly agreed (might have already come to the same conclusion on her own). I started working with Vertex from the idea that things are expressive and focal-important, but coming from unconscious motivation, the individual usually being blithely unaware of it. This is especially easy to see on the Antivertex, where one might expect a "1st house-ness" or exuded selfhood idea, and we get people actively expressing planetary qualities there much as if the planet were rising but blithely, often frustratingly, unaware of it.

In a similar way to what I said about cadency being a second, separate component of the angularity curve for human psychology, and the current status of the evidence showing that Vertex seems quite "off" or inactive in ingresses, I have to ask myself whether the "unconscious" expression of Vertex is maybe a distinctly human individuation function that would not show in mapping of natural phenomena and mass-consciousness through ingresses.

Against this, I have to argue with myself because I think the same level that shows phenomena in nature, and shows particularly mass-mind connection rather than individuality, is this field of the unconscious - a theoretical argument that would undo everything I wrote about the Vertex above

Theory aside, I'll stand by the study of the actual behavior that I did in the Vertex thread, unless other evidence contradicts it.