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Is there a list of each planets exaltation degree and then it’s fall too, or is the fall just assumed opposite of its exhalation?
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James Condor wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:02 am Is there a list of each planets exaltation degree and then it’s fall too, or is the fall just assumed opposite of its exhalation?
Yes, the degree of the Fall is exactly opposite the hypsoma, or degree of Exaltation. The Exaltation degrees are:

Sun 19° Aries
Moon 3° Taurus
Mercury 15° Virgo
Venus 27° Pisces
Mars 28° Capricorn
Jupiter 15° Cancer
Saturn 21° Libra

Here is a thread that traces and slightly updates Fagan's original work of discovering their origins. The story is told more fully in his small book, Zodiacs Old & New.
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How is it all confirmed?
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James Condor wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:34 am How is it all confirmed?
I'm not sure which "it" you mean, James. Can you ask a more pointed question? TIA.
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Fagan discovered these points right? but in what way? How did he discover them?
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James Condor wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:18 pm Fagan discovered these points right? but in what way? How did he discover them?
The degrees are traditional. They appear in astrological references back to at least the first century. (I haven't tracked down the earliest places or kept records, but know they appeared in literature at least that early.)

But nobody ever had any idea where they came from. What Fagan discovered was their origin. His book Zodiacs Old & New tells the story of that discovery that they are astronomical phenomena from the year 786 BC.
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So how were/are they tested against the findings?
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James Condor wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:37 am So how were/are they tested against the findings?
Fagan's discovery was purely archaeological, and the evidence was very tight on that.

But I'm guessing you're not asking about confirmation of the archaeology but, rather, if the astrological validity of the "exaltation degree" theory. Evidence has been sparse and mostly (not entirely) anecdotal. The single strongest - probably the only datum we can characterize as statistical confirmation - came from Bradley's study of the 1,113 boxers listed in The Ring Encyclopedia. The distribution of natal Suns around the zodiac had the anomalous behavior that - aside from the question of which Sun-signs ranked highest - there was a pile-up of Suns at 28° Capricorn, the traditional exaltation degree of Mars. More anecdotally, this same degree has appeared surprisingly often in critical charts for history's worst fires.

This sort of evidence alerted Siderealists that maybe there was indeed something astrological about these degrees. (It was perfectly possible that they were merely an archaeological artifact and not astrologically efficacious.) Since then, having our eyes on them has seemed to give credence to their validity as the most concentrated expressions of a specific kind of planetary energy in the same way that the area around 28° Capricorn keeps showing as the most martial two or three degrees of the zodiac.

Much less controversial are the exaltation signs. If we let go worrying about the exact degrees, the exaltations of signs of planetary dignity, i.e., sign descriptors is evident all the time in the unfolding of the natures of the zodiacal constellations.

I still remember the time I first clearly got this: I understood how Tropical Leo could be Cancer in the sense of celebrity-style showmanship - an easy confusion of lunar luminary-influence for solar luminary-influence - but Moon made no sense for the grandiosity, elevated self-concept, aristocratic or royal-seeming affinity traditional to Tropical Leo that was clearly observable in these people. Then I read a Cyril Fagan remark that Jupiter was exalted in Cancer and - snap! - it all fell into place. I think next was my understanding that the wide feat-and-famine swings Tropicalists attribute to Scorpio was instantly explained by them being as Saturn-like as Venus-like, the two in a constant balancing act - which led to seeing how Taurus and Libra are so similar and yet so grossly different, the difference being evident in one being lunar and the other saturnine. Which led to... well, all the rest.
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