Triplets and astrological differences

[Soft Alpaca]

One of my close friends now was born on June 14th 2000 in Allentown PA. He was born at 3:57 pm and his brothers respectively were born at 3:58 and 3:59.

While his chart suits him I'm looking for small differences that may appear in the charts (as its hard to read any of a set of triplets or twins and have them be impressed or even satisfied).

As for what I see in him his signs make sense with his personality as well as his solar aspects (at least the conjunctions to his sun and moons rulers). His angular Neptune sits strong as well. (Venus, Mars, and Neptune heavy very very mellow when at room temperature very aggressive when heated).

Perhaps the mudoscope or vertex can lead to these?

[Jim Eshelman]

My first question (that I suspect nobody can answer) is whether we can trust these three birth times of 3:57, 3:58, and 3:59. I imagine they're close, and I'm sure the birth order is correct - that is probably the most important legal consideration the medical staff needed to get right.

Births can appear this fast, but usually are separated by several minutes. Knowing triplets were due, the hospital in 2000 would have had special staff on hand for the event if it was planned, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were highly efficient, but this is still unusually fast for three deliveries.

Besides, it was within a few minutes while Neptune was exactly angular. People make stupid mistakes Nonetheless, let's assume the three are correct and go forward with the exercise you propose.


First, psychological studies of twins (which likely apply to multiple births) show that they are far more alike than is always visible but there is variability - from one set of twins to the other - with how much they like to seem alike. I have found this varies with the relative strength of Venus vs. Mars. Twins with very close Venus angularities or other defining marks take great pleasure in seeming the most mirror-like of each other. Those with Mars dominant (planet of sibling rivalry) have the greatest pleasure from greater ego-distinction. In this case, we have a Taurus Sun partile conjunct Venus but 5° from conjunct Mars. I read this as: They have lived their lives mostly being (and loving being) "the same," but with a secondary streak of each trying to find his particular quirks or distinctions to stand apart.

They all have Neptune on the angle. It gets closer with each birth, the first one having Neptune 1°23' from IC and the last one (the only one partile) has it 0°52' away. There isn't really much difference here but, in their course of ego-distinction, the youngest would likely single himself out as the more Neptunian.

None of them have major fixed stars within 1° of an angle. There are no Moon or other aspects that make a difference. Were we to consider houses, there are no house shifts or significant changes in relationship to the cusps. Minor factors like Asc and MC signs remain the same.

We can spend some time on the midpoints that involve angles. This might be our most fruitful avenue. Sticking only with 90° modulus within 1° (there is a limit to how much time we can spend on this, but you might want to dig further on this perspective if interested), we get the following (I will underline those that are unique to one of them and not the others)

Triplet 1 has MC=Me/Ur (54'), Ur=Pl/As (21'), Ju=Su/As (5') =Ve/As (33'), Su=Ur/As (60'), Ve=Ur/As (4'), Ma=Sa/MC (58'), Me=Ma/MC (23')
Triplet 2 has Ur=Pl/As (15'), Ju=Su/As (11') =Ve/As (38'), Ve=Ur/As (10'), Me=Ma/As (16')
Triplet 3 has Ur=Pl/As (10'), Ju=Su/As (17') =Ve/As (44'), Ve=Ur/As (16'), Me=Ma/MC (8')

Looking at more obscure astrological factors that may (or may not) have significant astrological value, we find all three have the asteroid Vesta square Ascendant, getting closer with each successive birth.

I have one more item of possible great significance to check.

[Jim Eshelman]

The other thing I wanted to check was the Novien. Now that I have the charts drawn, I don't think there is any significant difference. All three have Sagittarius Moons and no difference in close Novienic aspects.

The close aspects within the Novien are Moon conjunct Uranus and Venus square Saturn, but they all have these.

I don't think there is any validity to Novien Ascendant or MC (though others disagree with me) - in any case, all three have a Venus-MC conjunction in the Novien, widest for the third triplet - hard to discern, perhaps, since all three have a Taurus Sun partile conjunct Venus.

Anyway, that's all I've got. The midpoint distinctions are probably your best shot.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Births can appear this fast, but usually are separated by several minutes. Knowing triplets were due, the hospital in 2000 would have had special staff on hand for the event if it was planned, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were highly efficient, but this is still unusually fast for three deliveries.

This was my first thought too. My second thought was this was a cesarean birth. The baby monitors probably showed at least one was in trouble.
Alpaca can you confirm?

Did one of them have a cord wrapped or appeared to be aspirating, maybe meconium?
Can you get the mother's data?

[Soft Alpaca]

I can try to get moms data. Yes the third child was different on the autism spectrum. Yes 100 percent correct mom and dad are both medical professionals the kids are testube babys (the egg and sperm both introduced outsude the body and placed in the mother) and yes they were born in C section likely by the best mostly likely hand picked medical staff (perhaps even the father).
This was a very very well planned operation.

As for the distinction the 3rd child due to his autism is very much socially awkward and displays a little more neptune energy. The oldest one and I are friends and he is a sap compared to his brothers [including his only older brother] one is the fact that all 3 other brothers have long hair to at least shoulder if not mid back while my friend will wig out once his hair goes on his ears.

[Veronica]

It is held in Shamanic concepts that long hair acts as extended sensory receptors, increasing the persons capacity to interpret information. Angular Neptune which is allready heightened sensitivity may not welcome or want an added "antenna".

[Soft Alpaca]

Interesting, however these triplets all also have Mercury and Mars in Gemini they all tend to live in a world of science/fact and emotion seems to be where their blinders come in play in terms of living in a harshened personal reality.

I'll give an example, this new years my friend, the oldest tripplet brother (whom I like more than as a friend which he is aware of) kissed me on the lips in front of his brothers and a family friend when the ball dropped (just a little more than a peck). I asked him latter why he did it and the answer was "I dont like you as more than a friend, but I knew it would make you happy", further going into this he is implying (and the nature of our relationship is that we like to make each other happy). Maybe my reality is off here but I don't anyone who cant pick up the fact that two people who like making each other happy is the biasis for a relationship.
Another example is that he wants to take me to a his favorite spot and toke and watch sunrise/sunset and then go out to eat. Mind you I have many friends none of which I've ever casually done this with.

[Jim Eshelman]

He's a Taurus-Scorpio. He doesn't take Eros lightly. I don't know what choices he makes in terms of sex partners, but 20-year-old young men with Scorpio Moons need their snake charmed a lot.

There is, however, an important block here, as part of a very strong push-pull: Your Venus-Mars square is exactly connected to his natal Jupiter-Saturn conjunction. While his Jupiter to your Venus-Mars wold be naturally drawn to worship your Venus-Mars, be generous to your Venus-Mars, etc., his Saturn to your Venus-Mars says No.

29°22' Cap - your Mars
0°05' Tau - his Saturn
0°50' Sco - your Venus
1°54' Tau - his Jupiter\

His Jupiter is closer to your Venus than your Mars. His Saturn is almost to the minute equally close to both.

There's more than this - several layers - but these are the closest, that give the clearest message.

And Taurus looks to do romantic things like smooch and hold hands and have long personal talks. (His Sun-Venus opposite your Mercury encourages that.)

[Soft Alpaca]

Our relationship as friends is complicated. The first day we meet we dudnt like each other. There have been drinking nights involving hickeys abd a lot of clothed touching and me being thrown into a shower rod so he could kiss up on me. However even more nights where I walk his drunk aff home make sure brushes his teeth because he is a light weight. Now on the next part if our friendship I'm spending a week in his house I Cooke new years dinner for his family. I'm not trying to push things per say but I definitely am trying to figure them out.

[Soft Alpaca]

More on the differences in personality in the triplets. The oldest child is bisexual (its official) he is the most intune with his mother [project run way is their show] and also is the most willing to have a relationship with a his father (but chooses not to because of his loyalty to his mother (even though it would help his depression) that being said he is the only of the boys on anti-depressants. Unlike his other 2 brothers he is also adaptable, willing to bend (and is more sensitive abd emotional than the other 2) however when he snaps it is ugly and a lot of verbal agression.

The youngest triplet is on the spectrum but by far the most independent. Marked by the words "his own man". The older 2 siblings are closer to each other because of this.

The middle child is the best driver in the family. Has a lead foot and the heaviest conviction, when he does things he means to do them the way he does (or sometimes doesn't).