2020 Prez Election

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:04 am

After an absent of betting odds for 3 weeks—new Prez odds posted today. Buttigieg is now one of the Dem's favorite tied with Biden.

2020 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION - ODDS TO WIN
Trump -150
Biden +600
Buttigieg +600
Warren +800
Sanders +1400

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:56 am

Mayor Pete is taking over the over-65 demographic, especially in Iowa. (It's a perfect strategy for an Indiana mayor who is smart, well-mannered, served in the military, and and matter-of-factly embraces his religion to expect to do well in Iowa.) His latest big hit in the senior sector is his "Grey New Deal."

Last poll, he's 9% ahead of Biden in Iowa among the seniors - the most reliable voting demographic. Analysis says he not only speaks their language but reminds them of a favorite grandson that they're proud of (or a fantasy grandson they'd be proud of).

He's definitely got a shot in Iowa, a chance to beat Biden (but probably not neighbors Sanders or Warren) in NH, and he's doing surprisngly well in South Carolina - despite having not been able to pull any support from black voters.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:48 am

Jim wrote:

Last poll, he's 9% ahead of Biden in Iowa among the seniors - the most reliable voting demographic. Analysis says he not only speaks their language but reminds them of a favorite grandson that they're proud of (or a fantasy grandson they'd be proud of).

Very interesting! Right now I think he has a good chance of becoming the next Prez given the malefic astrological symbolism with Trump for election time.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:18 am

Latest Vegas odds for 2020 Prez election:
Trump -170
Biden +400
Sanders +550
Warren +1200
Buttigieg +2000
Bloomberg +2000

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:47 am

I'm not sure if it matters, but I noticed that the chart for the exact Saturn-Pluto conjunction (1/12/20, 11:59 AM EST) occurs with Saturn-Pluto exactly on MC through New Hampshire.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:44 pm

Latest odds:
DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR THE 2020 ELECTION:
Biden +170
Sanders +225
Warren + 600
Buttigieg +1000
Bloomburg +1000
Yang +1200
Clinton +2500
2020 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION - ODDS TO WIN:
Trump – 200
Biden +300
Sanders +400
Warren +1500
Bloomberg +1500
Buttigieg +2000
Yang +3000
Clinton +4000

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:37 am

Bloomberg is the only Den Candidate who has made a significant move to win Dem Candidate with the betting odds. Moved from +1000 to +600. Advertisement money buys a-lot of votes

!

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:17 am

More odds movement than normal occurring with Dem Nominee:
Biden +150
Sanders +150
Warren +500
Bloomberg +500
Buttigieg +800

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:57 am

Yesterday, Warren & Klobuchar got a dual endorsement from New York Times for the Democratic nomination. We have an AA time for Klobuchar and there is one floating around for Warren that has been useful in the past: Does it show this event?

I don't know where she was, so I'm only taking straight transits. (Please, everyone help watch where she is on June 22, her birthday.) For the 2 PM time I'm watching, Pluto (conjoined by Saturn) remains in orb of natal IC, though Saturn has departed. Transiting Neptune is 45° from her Jupiter (06'). The non-partile Uranus transit to her Jupiter would be fitting if it fell on, say, SLR or Demi-SLR angles for where she was yesterday (or where she was when the return set up). That's all. - Not very helpful.

Does anyone know where she was January 18? Late that night her Demi-SLR set up. It doesn't seem to have Sun-Uranus to her Jupiter angular anywhere in the USA.

Klobuchar had t Sun sqq. r Mercury. I suppose that is sufficient for an endorsement.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:01 am

The Iowa Caucuses are February 3. Using an estimated wrap-up time of 8:00 PM CST, and not knowing where anyone will be that night, here are transits to the candidates for the likely conclusion. They all depend, of course, on the accuracy of the birth data.

JOE BIDEN (A data). t Pl sqq. r Pl 13', t Ne ssq. r Mo 07', t Ur conj. r Mo 50', t Sa op. r Ju 49', t Sa sqq. r Sa 48', t Ju ssq. r Ve 18'. He gets a really big surprise! Given Saturn opposite his Jupiter, it probably is a discouraging surprise.

BERNIE SANDERS (C data). t Pl sq. r Ve 01', t Ne op. r Su 29', t Sa sq. r Ma 37', t Ju sqq. r Sa 18', t Ma op. r Ju 34', t Ma sqq. r Pl 21', t Me sq r Ur 30'. Also surprised. Bernie's big problem (and maybe his advantage) is that Neptune opposes his Sun and he doesn't know who he really is right now. These transits re-raise health concerns. The news is bad for him, but not entirely bad.

ELIZABETH WARREN (C data). t Ne ssq. r Ju 42', t Sa sqq. r Ma 21', t Ju sq. r Ne 57'. Saturn to Mars looks like unsuccessful competition, and the rest like idealism and unclarity. Not as bad as the others, but not winning.

PETE BUTTIGIEG (A data). t Pl sq. r Sa 52', t Ne ssq. r Ve 34', t Ur sq. r Ve 09', t Ju sq. r Ma 04'. This not only suggests successful competition but seems to show him really happy. (Jupiter finishes crossing his Ascendant soon before.)

AMY KLOBUCHAR (AA data). No transits.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:31 am

The New Hampshire primary is February 11. Using an estimated wrap-up time of 8:00 PM CST, and not knowing where anyone will be that night, here are transits to the candidates for the likely conclusion.

JOE BIDEN (A data). t Sa op. r Ju 04', t Sa sqq. r Sa 15', t Me sq. r Sa 14'. This is quite bad for him. I think that, after NH, he's out of the race unless he holds out for South Carolina where he expects to do very well. (He has no particular transits for the SC primary. Warren has quite excellent transits there if the birth time is correct, and Bernie at least loses Neptune to his Sun.)

BERNIE SANDERS (C data). t Pl sq. r Ve 22', t Ne op. r Su 45', t Ju sqq. r Ur 25'. I very much distrust this Neptune opposition to his Sun. Jupiter to Uranus is nice for the few days, and he is expected to do very well in NH (next to his home state), so he may do OK.

ELIZABETH WARREN (C data). t Ne ssq. r Ju 58', t Sa sqq. r Me 09', t Me sq. r Ma 45', t Me sq. r Me 48'. Warren is also from an adjacent state and should do well, but the transits suggest disappointment (not to mention irritability).

PETE BUTTIGIEG (A data). t Ne ssq. r Ve 18', t Ur sq. r Ve 20', t Ma conj. r Ne 37'. The last transit is ugly. There's no reason to think Pete will do particularly well in NH anyway, so it's hard to think what could give Ma-Ne-level feelings, and popularity does seem to be holding well. As Saturn gets closer to his Sun, this likely will fail; for now, NH gives some sort of very extreme emotional reaction, probably from a sense of attack.

AMY KLOBUCHAR (AA data). t Ju sqq. r Mo 50'. Only one transit, but it's a seriously good one. Expect her to outperform expectations.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:00 pm

The big primary day is Super Tuesday, March 3. There is significant reason to think the nomination will be resolved by then, especially since this year it includes California, Texas, and 12 other states, including the home states of Warren, Sanders, and Klobuchar. Using an estimated wrap-up time of 8:00 PM PDT, and not knowing where anyone will be that night, here are transits to the candidates for the likely conclusion.

JOE BIDEN (A data). t Ve sq. r Pl 44', t Me sq. r Su 14'. Also, t Ne is nearing his IC and t Su crosses his IC for the 48 hours prior but has just left orb as these contests are over. If Biden is still in the race, he is definitely in the limelight for the day, possibly suggesting some surges (at least in particular areas) or possibly showing his stepping aside.

BERNIE SANDERS (C data). t Pl sq. r Ma 16', t Ma sqq. r Ur 35', t Su sqq. r Pl 51'. t Su also squared his Jupiter for the 48 hours before, but now is gone. Unclear. There's a fair bit happening, it's a significant day for him. Pluto to Mars continues to concern me about his health.

ELIZABETH WARREN (C data). t Pl sqq. r Ma 32', t Ju conj. r IC 54', t Ma sqq. r Sa 34'. If this birth time is correct, she's the big winner of the day; if not, then quite the opposite. In any case, notice Saturn is approaching her Jupiter, so she will weaken (for a time?) soon.

PETE BUTTIGIEG (A data). t Ne ssq. r Ve 47', t Sa conj. r Su 27', t Ve conj. r IC 23'. Saturn has caught up to exact conjunction with his Sun. Probably this means defeat; however, if it doesn't, then it means he is on a destiny path of great fundamental importance to his life and we shouldn't doubt him going forward. Venus crosses his IC and the next day, a the dust settles, opposes his culminating Jupiter. Despite exact Sa-Su, I can't rule him out: Rather, what happens this day will tell us what the universe is ruling in and out for him for the campaign.

AMY KLOBUCHAR (AA data). t Sa sqq. r Me 10', t Ma sqq. r Mo 10'. Not good. She does quite poorly.

MICHAEL BLOOMBERG (AA data). I assume Bloomberg will be in the primaries by this date, it seems his only real strategy. Saturn will have crossed his Dsc over the prior months, so he may have had the wind taken out of his sales. Nonetheless, if he's in, here are the transits: t Ve sq. r Ve 31', t Me sq. r Ur. 55'. This seems slight, but hardly against him.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:34 pm

For Election night, use 0:00 EST for November 4, 2020 (about an hour after the polls close on the West Coast).

BIDEN has t Uranus sq. r Pluto 13', t Saturn op. r Jupiter 10', t Saturn sqq. r Saturn 21', t Mercury sq. r Jupiter 19', t Mercury sqq. r 08'. I don't like that Mercury-Saturn square to natal Jupiter-Saturn at all, especially Saturn exactly opposite his Jupiter. This looks losing, although the Uranus-Pluto is quite intriguing.

SANDERS has t Pluto sq. r Venus 42', t Mars ssq. r Uranus 34', t Sun ssq. r Neptune 51'. None of this looks good for him: Humiliation and bad surprises.

BUTTIGIEG has t Pl sq. r Saturn 03' (breakthrough or breakdown?), t Uranus on r IC 35' (surprise!) op. r Jupiter 24' (really good surprise!), t Mars two or three days past op. r Mars (usual for last-week combat), t Sun ssq. r Neptune 53' (nail-biting). He could definitely win with this.

WARREN has t Pl on r IC 18', t Ju on r IC 54' (these both depend on the accuracy of a birth time of uncertain provenance which, however, has been working pretty well), t Sa sqq. r Mercury 03' (not winning, not being listened to), t Me on r EP (having something to say). If this birthtime is correct, hopefully she wasn't the candidate.

KLOBUCHAR has t Uranus op. r Neptune 38'. Again, her transits are so slight it seems she's not around. As it is, she has a reality upended a bit but little more.

BLOOMBERG Let's hope he's not the candidate since Saturn is on his Descendant, even though Venus is on his IC. Otherwise, nothing is happening.

TRUMP has t Neptune sq. r Uranus 36', t Uranus ssq. r Sun 25', t Saturn op. r Venus 23', t Mercury sq. r Venus 52' (sq. r Saturn 63' sep). Mostly, this looks bad for him, some being neutral, the Uranus being uncertain in outcome, and the Saturn seeming quite firm.

Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:44 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:57 am Does anyone know where she was January 18?

I think you mean Warren, but here's Klobuchar's schedual: (see below for Warren)

Saturday, January 18

ISEA Forum -- Senator Klobuchar speaks at 9:25 AM
Sheraton West Des Moines
1800 50th St. West Des Moines, IA 50266

Coralville Town Hall -- Doors open at 11:30 AM, program begins at 12:00 PM
Oakdale Ballroom, Coralville Marriott
300 E. 9th Street
Coralville, IA 52241 https://www.mobilize.us/iowaforamy/event/203042/

Clinton Town Hall -- Doors open at 3:15 PM, program begins at 3:45 PM
**DUE TO WEATHER -- NEW LOCATION**
Rastrelli's
The Avanti Room
238 Main Ave
Clinton, IA 52732 https://www.mobilize.us/iowaforamy/event/203038/

Davenport Town Hall -- Doors open at 6:30 PM, program begins at 7:00 PM
Mississippi Room, RiverCenter
136 E. 3rd Street
Davenport, IA 52801 https://www.mobilize.us/iowaforamy/event/203259/

from https://blog.4president.org/2020/2020/0 ... -2020.html

Warren's schedule:

Please note: This schedule is subject to change as additional events are confirmed and depending on the schedule for impeachment in the U.S. Senate.

Saturday, January 18th

2020 ISEA Legislative Conference

9:00 a.m. CT (program begins), 9:45 a.m. CT (Elizabeth’s estimated speaking time)

West Des Moines Sheraton
1800 50th Street
West Des Moines, Iowa 50266

New event: Planned Parenthood Action Fund Fireside Chat with Elizabeth Warren

5:00 p.m. CT (event begins)

A private residence in Des Moines

Creative Visions, Des Moines NAACP & Urban Dreams Block Party with Sen. Elizabeth Warren

6:30 p.m. CT (doors open), 7:00 p.m. CT (event begins)

Urban Dreams
601 Forest Ave
Des Moines, IA 50314

General public can RSVP here.

Please note: This schedule is subject to change as additional events are confirmed and depending on the schedule for impeachment in the U.S. Senate.

from https://blog.4president.org/2020/2020/0 ... -2020.html

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:46 pm

Pete Buttigieg turns 39 years old January 19, 2021, with a new SSR that is at once powerful and devastating in Washington, DC. Should be he elected, I hope he can resist coming to town immediately.

His same SSR for South Bend has Venus rising within a degree, Jupiter square MC within a degree, but with Mars-Uranus (square the Jupiter) on IC and Saturn exactly on EP - not perfect by any means, but more outright positive than the chart for Washington.

In any case, his transits for inauguration (a really rough inauguration chart with a really rough Capsolar - no matter who gets elected) would be:

t Uranus conj. r IC 1°13'
t Saturn conj. r EP 0°42' [Saturn ssq. Neptune 0°00']
t Jupiter sq. r MC 0°35'
t Mars conj. r IC 1°18'
t Venus sq. r Mars 0°50'
t Mercury conj. r Mercury 0°57'
-- t Mercury ssq. r Uranus 0°14'
t Moon sq. r Sun 0°36'

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:53 pm

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:44 pm
Jim Eshelman wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:57 am Does anyone know where she was January 18?
I think you mean Warren, but here's Klobuchar's schedual:

Yes, I meant Warren for her Demi-SLR setup. Kolbuchar's SLR was January 7 and her Demi January 19. Looks like January 19 in the evening (around 8 PM CST) she was in Waukee, IA. This does give natal Venus on MC, her natal Sun-Pluto square strongly foreground, and some lesser stuff that all is consistent with her getting an endorsement.

It looks like Warren spent the whole of the 18th nd 19th in Des Moines and had her Demi-SLR there. For the 2 PM birthtime (provenance unclear, it has worked quite well for several events), it doesn't really show anything consistent with the endorsement. That does not give a further reason to be confident about the time.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:18 am

New weekly odds just hit the board.

2020 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION - ODDS TO WIN:

Trump -190
Sanders +400
Biden +500
Bloomberg +800
Warren +2500
Buttigieg +4000

DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR THE 2020 ELECTION:

Biden +150
Sanders +175
Bloomberg +500
Warren +1000
Buttigieg +1200

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:41 am

New odds changes:
For Prez:
Trump -160
Sanders +300
Bidden +600
Bloomberg +1000
Warren +3000
Buttigieg +3000

For Dem Nominee:
Sanders +130
Bidden +150
Bloomberg +400
Warren +1000
Buttigieg +1000

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:29 am

Here is a most interesting link documenting how the rapidly changing betting odds occurred on election night Nov 8 2016 between Clinton and Trump. On Election night Nov 3 2020, I will being doing my best to document the betting odds as they change.

https://www.oddsshark.com/entertainment ... 16-futures

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:30 pm

So far, with 63% of the Iowa caucus results released, this is exactly right: Buttigieg leads ("successful competition... really happy"), Sanders close behind ("surprised... news is bad for him, but not entirely bad"), Warren a little farther behind those two ("unsuccessful competition... not as bad as the others but bot winning"), and Biden a distant fourth ("a really big surprise... probably a discouraging surprise").

This may hold or it may change. Most of the vote in now is from urban areas, and Buttigieg is expected to do better in rural areas; so he'll probably widen his gap.

It's no surprise that the mayor of South Bend would do well in Iowa - he talks their language like a native. Next week is New Hampshire with two New England Senators among the top candidates.

Jim Eshelman wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:01 am The Iowa Caucuses are February 3...

JOE BIDEN (A data). t Pl sqq. r Pl 13', t Ne ssq. r Mo 07', t Ur conj. r Mo 50', t Sa op. r Ju 49', t Sa sqq. r Sa 48', t Ju ssq. r Ve 18'. He gets a really big surprise! Given Saturn opposite his Jupiter, it probably is a discouraging surprise.

BERNIE SANDERS (C data). t Pl sq. r Ve 01', t Ne op. r Su 29', t Sa sq. r Ma 37', t Ju sqq. r Sa 18', t Ma op. r Ju 34', t Ma sqq. r Pl 21', t Me sq r Ur 30'. Also surprised. Bernie's big problem (and maybe his advantage) is that Neptune opposes his Sun and he doesn't know who he really is right now. These transits re-raise health concerns. The news is bad for him, but not entirely bad.

ELIZABETH WARREN (C data). t Ne ssq. r Ju 42', t Sa sqq. r Ma 21', t Ju sq. r Ne 57'. Saturn to Mars looks like unsuccessful competition, and the rest like idealism and unclarity. Not as bad as the others, but not winning.

PETE BUTTIGIEG (A data). t Pl sq. r Sa 52', t Ne ssq. r Ve 34', t Ur sq. r Ve 09', t Ju sq. r Ma 04'. This not only suggests successful competition but seems to show him really happy. (Jupiter finishes crossing his Ascendant soon before.)

AMY KLOBUCHAR (AA data). No transits.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:48 am

After the confusion in Iowa, here are the new Feb 4th odds for Prez:
Trump -140
Sanders +350
Biden +600
Bloomberg +1000
Buttigieg +2000

The following link has more details about 2020 Prez odds including how the odds have changed the last 5 weeks up to Feb 4.
https://www.oddsshark.com/other/2020-us ... ds-futures

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:54 am

The Iowa Caucus fiasco was visible in hindsight from the mundane charts, but not in a way that I likely would have understood the portents if I had looked in advance. (There was a lot of Uranus, mostly connected with Mercury: cyber problems, phone line calamities, low level tech attacks.)

Nonetheless, perhaps it is worthwhile looking at the New Hampshire primary finish next week; say, for 9 PM February 11, centered on Concord.

For the year, Uranus squares MC (0°12') in the CAPSOLAR, while Moon squares Pluto (0°10') in mundo. This is really interesting because, by conventional thinking, New Hampshire's outcome should be easy to pick with one Senator from Vermont (who did very well there four years ago) and one Senator from Massachusetts sure to be at the top. However, the Capsolar suggests that New Hampshire's contribution for the year is to surprise us and through us for a loop. (Transiting Uranus remains in orb of square MC for the primary.)

The most recent non-dormant lunar ingress is the LIBSOLAR, with Jupiter 0°44' from EP. Not sure what to make of that, but it looks positive (despite Moon's square to Saturn-Pluto, shared by the world).

But things are likely to be really heated: CapQ Descendant conjoins transiting Mars. Raging figures and even fisticuffs may manifest (something rare for NH). Also, despite the double Uranus from the Capsolar, the CanQ places transiting Uranus on Midheaven. We are likely to be startled.

As mentioned above, going from the candidates' transits (not knowing where they will be), things go quite badly for Biden; Sanders has the uncertainty of that Neptune transit to his Sun but Jupiter transits Uranus so he probably will do quite well; Warren looks irritable and disappointed; Buttigieg has weird transits which show popularity sustained but very emotionally messy stuff that's hard to anticipate exactly; and Klobuchar should outperform expectations. (She may be the surprise of the evening.)

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:17 pm

Testing the birth time he personally gave out, his Demi-SLR for Des Moines - the exact day of the caucus - is quite positive. Uranus exactly sets square his Venus (which squares Ascendant). Natal Jupiter closely squares MC. Sun is moderately foreground. It's a winning chart and he won.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:56 pm

New weekly wagering odds:
Prez:
Trump -200
Sanders +300
Bloomberg +700
Biden +1200
Buttigieg +1200

Dem Nominee:
Sanders +120
Bloomberg +250
Buttigieg +450
Biden +450
Warren +1500

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:03 pm

This one puzzles me a bit.

No puzzle: Bernie ranks highest at the moment.

No puzzle: Bloomberg looks strong. However, as astrologers we can observe that the U.S. has never elected an Aquarius luminary except Washington and Lincoln. They are archetypal presidents for epochal times, to be among the immortalized few quintessential presidents and unless a president is going to fall in that category we wont elect them. Thus Romney lost. Thus Hillary lost.

Puzzle: Buttigieg won the Iowa caucus (now decisively 14 delegates to Bernie's 12) and is tying Bernie in half the polls for New Hampshire (and closing in on the other polls). I'm surprised they don't set better odds based on that. (Maybe Vegas isn't watching 538 this year.)

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/el ... hampshire/

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bu ... pens-next/

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:23 am

Since 1972, 10 winners of the New Hampshire primary have won the Republican nomination, and six became president. Seven victors of the New Hampshire primary gained the Democratic nomination, and three went on to become president.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:51 pm

Betting odds for Dem Nevada:
Sanders -350
Buttigieg +400
Biden +700

South Carolina:
Sanders -125
Biden +120
Everyone else +1200 or more.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:08 pm

How did the predictions for New Hampshire go, based only on transits to the best charts we have (not all of them certain with regard to time)? Let's review.

JOE BIDEN (A data). "This is quite bad for him. I think that, after NH, he's out of the race unless he holds out for South Carolina where he expects to do very well." Exactly so.

BERNIE SANDERS (C data). "I very much distrust this Neptune opposition to his Sun. Jupiter to Uranus is nice for the few days, and he is expected to do very well in NH (next to his home state), so he may do OK." I was too timid. Given expectations and transits, I should have just said, "Bernie wins NH."

ELIZABETH WARREN (C data). "...the transits suggest disappointment (not to mention irritability)." Don't know if she was irritable, but the disappointment was exactly right.

PETE BUTTIGIEG (A data). "The last transit [Mars-Neptu e] is ugly. There's no reason to think Pete will do particularly well in NH anyway, so it's hard to think what could give Ma-Ne-level feelings, and popularity does seem to be holding well. As Saturn gets closer to his Sun, this likely will fail; for now, NH gives some sort of very extreme emotional reaction, probably from a sense of attack." No real prediction here. I got stuck on the Mars-Neptune transit and wasn't feeling optimistic for him. He essentially tied Bernie and remains the front-runner with a small lead on total delegates.

AMY KLOBUCHAR (AA data). "Only one transit, but it's a seriously good one. Expect her to outperform expectations." Exactly so!

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:32 pm

Overall, good calls Jim.

Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:33 pm

Every time I listen to Elizabeth Warren speak, she sounds like she's gasping. Talk talk talk GASP talk talk talk GASP. I don't know if it's because she's so eager to get out what she's saying or if there's a lung problem there.
Can anybody shed any light. I realise we have only C data.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:50 pm

Gemini-Aries is just STREAMING with data and facts set on high speed.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:12 am

New odds as of Feb 13:
Trump -180
Sanders +350
Bloomberg +600
Buttigieg +1200
Biden +2500
Klobucher +4000

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:25 am

The Nevada caucuses are February 22. I don't know the schedule, but let's estimate 8 PM as a "good enough" approximate time for knowing something. Here are transits to the candidates for the likely conclusion.

BERNIE SANDERS (C data). t Pluto sq. r Venus-Mars, t Mars sq. r Mercury, t Mercury ssq. r Mars, op. r MC (?). That time of evening, t Moon sq. r Saturn. Even if we ignore the Moon transit, these don't look great for him. He's most likely caught up in arguments, disputes, and accusations. Not his best night. (If we had a reliable time for him, we might be able to say more,)

PETE BUTTIGIEG (A data). t Neptune ssq. r Venus, t Uranus sq. r Venus, t Saturn sq. r Pluto (03'), t Jupiter ssq. r Uranus, t Sun sq. r Uranus. These are nearly all quite good except, perhaps, for the emotional ambiguity of Neptune-Venus. Pete, who remains technically the front-runner despite what the press is saying (one more delegate that Bernie) may retain that, explaining the excellent, celebrating mood he's likely to be in that night. Nonetheless, Saturn-Pluto is surely weighing on him. [Since we have a good birth time: His 2/15 SLR for Reno has Saturn setting, near natal Sun, plus natal Mars on IC. It's a fight!]

ELIZABETH WARREN (C data). t Pluto sqq. r Mars, t Jupiter sqq. r Saturn & sq. r Asc (00'), t Mars sqq. r Moon, t Venus sqq. r Saturn & op. r Asc, t Mercury sq. r Mars, t Sun sqq. r Venus. Wow, what a mix. Most obvious: This will be an outstanding test of her birth time, since the Venus-Jupiter square falls right on the angles and the other aspects (and her momentum) are not that great. If she finishes in the top two in Nevada, I'm going to take the 2 PM time quite seriously.

JOE BIDEN (A data). t Neptune ssq. r Moon, t Jupiter sqq. r Uranus, t Sun sq. r Uranus, sq. r Asc. About 8 PM, t Moon squares natal Sun-Venus. Joe has his best night yet - some pleasant surprises for him, perhaps not huge, but enough to make him the headline late evening.

AMY KLOBUCHAR (AA data). More transits than she's been having for these events; t Jupiter conj. r Saturn, t Venus to natal Moon-Saturn, t Sun sq. r Sun & aspects Saturn and Pluto. Amy did great in New Hampshire, and Ju-Sa is a strong, positive aspect; but the rest kinda suck. These look separative, "ending." She's been doing too well to back out no matter how bad a given night goes, but, unless she has a sudden tragic event in her personal or family life, this looks like a serious negative blow to her campaign.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:51 am

The South Carolina primary is Saturday, February 29. We can estimate 8 PM as a conclusion. This one is critical for many reasons - three of the candidates have a lot riding on what happens here - and we expect significant chaos and commotion from cross-over Republicans. Here are transits to the candidates for the likely conclusion.

JOE BIDEN (A data). SC might be make-or-break for Joe. His transits: t Jupiter sqq. r Uranus, t Venus sq. r Jupiter & ssq. r Saturn, t Sun sqq. r Jupiter & sq. r Saturn. This is mixed. The main picture is that he has a good night - certainly enough to save his campaign. But Sun square his Saturn is distinctly bad. I doubt he wins the state, but maybe he can pull off 2nd place? [We have a good birth time for him, His SLR a day earlier for Columbia has Sun square his Saturn right on the angles. Based on this, I modify the above: He still has a deep pleasure that probably saves his campaign but he won't feel like a winner. Surely not 1st, maybe not 2nd.]

BERNIE SANDERS (C data). t Pluto sq. r Venus-Mars, t Jupiter sq. r Moon, t Venus conj. r Mars. This looks like he has an excellent night. This worries me, not because of any negativity on Bernie but because Bernie winning SC almost certainly confirms strong Republican interference in the Democratic nomination process to give Trump the opponent he wants. NOTE: Jupiter's square to his Moon requires that the uncertain birthtime be accurate to within a couple of hours. Without this transit, at least it isn't a bad night.

PETE BUTTIGIEG (A data). Pete is expected to take a bruising. In SC he is up against his greatest weakness. This night is critical, then, on the question of whether he is overcoming his greatest weakness. t Neptune ssq. r Venus, t Uranus sq, r Venus, t Saturn sq. r Pluto, t Jupiter ssq. r Uranus. I think as long as Uranus squares his Venus he will have reason to celebrate. Nonetheless, Saturn to Pluto has to be a hard burden right now. I'll say he exceeds the low expectations.

ELIZABETH WARREN (C data). t Pluto sqq. r Mars, t Jupiter op. r Venus & op. r MC (??), t Venus ssq. r Mercury-Mars, t Jupiter sq. r Mercury-Mars. Even if the transit to her MC is fictional, these look pretty positive (though quite combative). Expect a fiery speech and Liz coming on particularly strong, likely with significant success given Ju-Ve and Ve-Me.

AMY KLOBUCHAR (AA data). t Saturn sqq. r Mercury, t Jupiter sqq. r Sun & conj. r Saturn & sqq. r Pluto, t Mercury sq. r Moon & ssq. r Saturn. Strange, mixed. Two Mercury-Saturn combinations suggest she doesn't get the votes OR that there is a vote counting issue that adversely affects her. Jupiter to her Sun is excellent, to her Saturn is OK, and to her Pluto could go either way. With Ju-Su I can't say she does badly, with Me-Sa & Sa-Me I can't think she does well. So: She does better than Nevada, not too bad overall, and there are issues that are the bigger part of the news cycle.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:25 pm

In my mentioning which candidates have the "dance of the constellations" ability to inherit the presidency from Trump, I've failed to mention Amy Klobuchar who is a double Taurus.

I've not mentioned her because I haven't taken her as an A-list candidate - probably a serious contender for VP, but not for president - and her chasrt takes some hard hits in Nevada, South Carolina, and on Super Tuesday. Nonetheless, New York Daily News has made the case that if there is a contested convention she may be the only surviving candidate that has nothing particularly wrong with her.

With her Saturn exactly square Trump's Jupiter, she may have the power to bring him down. Also, she already has (shared with Warren) New York Times' endorsement. Her SLR the night of the likely presidential nomination vote has natal Jupiter setting and transiting Venus on EP (which had me thinking her a possibility for VP).

Just making a note here....

Danica · Post by **Danica** » Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:34 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:25 pm In my mentioning which candidates have the "dance of the constellations" ability to inherit the presidency from Trump, I've failed to mention Amy Klobuchar who is a double Taurus.

Agreed 111% that we should be on the watch for her.

A women president would definitely be revolutionary enough to fit the Pl-Ur theme!

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:45 pm

It's very hard for me t think of Klobuchar as revolutionary.

Also, my biggest astrological error in 2016 was thinking that all of the nonstop Uranus and Uranus-Pluto would be fulfilled by the election of a female president. I couldn't imagine anything more radical at the time. Unfortunately, my imagination fell short; and, by 2016 it was no longer a sufficiently radical idea that a woman would run for or be elected president. Hillary's 2008 run had already softened that ground. There were hundreds of articles about women not seeing i as a big deal any more and making political decisions based on other things.

Klobuchar's strength seems to rest on being sufficiently boring to be uncontroversial.

Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:43 pm

to be honest, after Trump, I'd find boring and uncontroversial revoluntionary. Or at least a nice change.

Klobuchar is willing to do something I do think is revoluntionary. Incremental change. Actually getting something done instead of holding out for One Big Bill to cover everything and never actually getting anything done.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:21 am

If I am reading James Carville's thoughts about what he sees with the front runner (Bernie) with the Dem Nominees, Carville is saying Bernie brings the most Revolutionary impact potential to election 2020 in Dem Party. But, if the Dem Party elects another candidate besides Bernie as their nominee, and if that candidate is an underdog to Trump in Prez election with the betting odds, with Trump a huge betting favorite to win Prez, then I think the Dem candidate will win with a Revolutionary unexpected (Uranus) stunning/shocking (Pluto) upset. Whereas Trump won 2016 with the greatest political upset in history of USA in the Dems eyes/psyche, the Dem candidate in 2020 will win with the greatest political upset in history of USA in the Reps eyes/psyche.

Right now with the Vegas odds, Bernie is not that much of an underdog to win Prez, and Trump is definitely not that much of a favorite to win Prez vs Bernie, think about this for a moment--its somewhat puzzling. But I do know no matter what the betting odds with a possible Trump-Bernie match-up for Prez, if Bernie wins it will definitely be a psychological unexpected (Uranus) stunning/shocking (Pluto) to the Rep Party and the same to Dem Party but with a lesser degree. Already, from a psychological standpoint with the two Party's, everything is already flipped from 2016 to 2020 elections, the R/L wings of news media has damn sure confirmed this to be true!!!!

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:47 am

Steve, let me throw another calculation into the mix. I don't know exactly what to make of it, but I have a basic idea. I don't think we should ignore it in looking at what's up for Trump between now and November (or January).

At birth, Trump has a stationary Jupiter trine Uranus within 0°26' It's one of his very best aspects and has surely been the source of his gifted life and unusual, surprising luck.

Progressed Mercury has been sextile his Jupiter within 1° for a few months. Right about now, it is entering orb of sextile natal Uranus. This places progressed Mercury in aspect to both natal Jupiter and Uranus at at their midpoint much of 2020. This also occurs with progressed Mercury conjunct his natal Eastpoint for Washington.

Here are the dates that bracket this (progressed Mercury, natal Jupiter and Uranus):

2019 Oct - Mercury enters sextile to Jupiter
2020 Feb - Mercury enters sextile to Uranus
2020 Jun 14 - Mercury exactly sextiles Jupiter
2020 Aug - Mercury = Jupiter/Uranus
2020 Sep 20 - Mercury exactly sextiles Uranus
2021 Jan - Mercury leaves sextile to Jupiter
2021 May - Mercury leaves sextile to Uranus

My current thoughts on this (aside from the primary thought that we should watch it:

This entire cycle from late 2019 through almost mid-2021 is a time when Trump's surprising luck is in the forefront. The Mercury-Jupiter aspect is the luckiest, especially for business purposes. While this could show his great fortune in winning re-election (the aspects tapering away soon after a second term would start), I don't think that's what it shows. I think the fact that Mercury-Jupiter began the month the House started impeachment proceedings and ends a few days after the next inauguration shows that, amidst investigations and legal proceedings, he has unusual luck for exactly that time - and then his luck runs out. If he is not re-elected, then his extraordinary protection ends essentially on Inauguration Day 2021.

We'll probably see great luck peaking in June (perhaps spreading to trade deals and business advantage, but also unusual protections in other ways). The midpoint in early August is right before his renomination by the Republican Party in late August at the Republican National Convention. Then there is a significant surprise for him in mid-to-late September - which may be where the spell starts to crack. Mercury-Jupiter protections then fade at the end of January and Mercury-Uranus is gone before his birthday next year.

This isn't the only scenario. It could be, quite simply, his lucky coin flipping his way again. At present, I don't think that's the case, though.His most protective aspect thus far has been progressed Sun aspecting progressed Venus' conjunction with his Jupiter. Venus-Jupiter has gone and gone, but Sun-Jupiter is still in partile orb... until the end of February. His biggest lucky coin is about to slip through a hole in his pocket.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:40 am

Cyril Fagan wrote about progressions:

But even here, specific events rarely occur on dates predetermined. The fact remains that many landmarks in life are not indicated by current progressions.

Jim, IMO, I think the progressions you are are discussing in your previous post would more than likely apply to Trump's long-term psychological feelings pertaining to him winning a second term. These progressions are indeed benefic and IMO is part of Trump now psychologically feeling very confident on winning a second term and by psychologically feeling on the inside in a knowing benefic manner he would be acquitted on impeachment.

The specific date which has already been predetermined for the election for Trump's bid for a second term is Nov 3 2020. And I will be focusing on the Transits to his Natal Factors on Nov 3 2020. Transits are what the outside world brings to the native, and progressions are what is felt on the inside of the native over long periods of time with psychological feelings. The malefic Saturn partile 180 transit to Trump's Natal Venus, with his Natal Venus cnj Natal Saturn is the main centripetal force IMO, indicating to me Trump is defeated for a 2nd term---no matter who the Dem Nominee. Unless this nasty Saturn transit manifests outside the election for Prez for a specific event on the election date---Trump goes down in defeat on the date of Prez election!

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:05 am

Man! The odds are a changing. New odds:
Its now a 3 man race for Prez with Bloomberg now in Second to Trump:
Trump -220
Bloomberg +350
Sanders +400
Biden +2500
Buttigieg +2500
Klobuchar +4000
Warren +12,000

Dem Nominee:
Sanders +140
Bloomberg +170
Biden +800
Buttigieg +800

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:21 pm

Steve, another thing for you to consider. (I'm just giving you all the raw data to weigh as you see fit.)

On Election day, Jupiter will be 27° Sagittarius. Every single U.S. election day when Jupiter has been in Sagittarius and an incumbent is running, the incumbent has won.

Jupiter in Sagittarius is famous for having young, bright, youth-inspiring figures run for office and draw enormous attention during the election. However, this was only half the time or less (depending on how you count your young, inspiring candidates): The 100% consistent pattern has been that, if there is an incumbent, the incumbent wins. Here they are:

1936 - Incumbent FDR re-elected with 46 of 48 states
1948 - Incumbent Truman re-elected (despite early false calls to the contrary)
1960 - No incumbent running. John Kennedy ran and won
1972 - Incumbent Richard Nixon re-elected over George McGovern, taking 49 of 50 states
1984 - Incumbent Ronald Reagan re-elected, taking 49 of 50 states
1996 - Incumbent Bill Clinton re-elected
2008 - No incumbent running. Barack Obama ran and won.
2020... We certainly have one or more youth-inspiring figures... but we also have an incumbent running for re-election.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:29 am

Jim, one HUGE fundamental voting difference today than back in the days of the other Jup/Sag Prez elections: The Left today is driven my pure hate against Trump. Hate is a most powerful motivating emotion for: “get out and vote.” When I put this fundamental hate factor together with 3 million more voters from the Left voting for Hillary in 2016, the possible hoards of Bernie supporters now fully on the side of the voting Left with a Bernie ticket, and the 2020 Uranus-Pluto Libsolar---I see high probability the Left unexpectedly (Uranus), stunning/shockingly (Pluto) defeats Trump in the 2020 Prez Election! Nonetheless, the Jup/Sag for past Prez elections is an interesting impressive statistic.

Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:52 am

Some people who are on the "left" are driven by pure hatred of Trump. There are some people who are on the "right" who are driven by pure hatred of "librals and feminazis." Most people don't pay enough attention to politics to feel strongly either way. What drives most people is do I have a job, and can I buy a new washing machine if the old one breaks down.

Somewhere you are listening to the Bernie Bros. If they didn't have Trump to hate, they'd be going after any woman who dared disagree with them online. That's who they are. Bernie really really needs to disavow them, just like Trump needs to disavow the White Nationalist conspiracy freakers. Neither will do that. Good reason not to vote for either of them.

BTW, you want to see a real shakeup, watch the Democratic debate tomorrow. Bloomberg got in.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:23 am

I have not actually seen Vegas new election odds for Bloomberg, but I heard as headline news on a cable network, Bloomberg's favorite betting odds fell 50% after his dismal Debate performance in Las Vegas.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:02 am

New betting odds--after the results of Nevada Caucus (Feb 23).
Prez:
Trump -250
Sanders +275
Bloomberg +700
Biden +1500
Klobuchar +4000
Warren +5500

Dem Nominee:
Sanders -150
Bloomberg +300
Biden +700
Warren +1200
Klobuchar +4000

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:37 pm

I wonder why Buttigieg isn't even in the running on this list, considering that he won Iowa, almost tied in New Hampshire, and is second or third in Nevada - of all the candidates, he's No. 2 (by a large margin) in total number of delegates.

Puzzling numbers.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:44 pm

I have no conclusive answer Jim. But, I do know most of the time the insiders who set betting odds know more than us. They of course can be wrong and that is why I rely heavily on Sidereal Astrology to help me determine when they are wrong. Remember your observation about t. Saturn to Buttigieg Sun.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:19 am

I never reviewed these predictions about Nevada. Now that we have all the numbers:

BERNIE SANDERS (C data). "...these don't look great for him. He's most likely caught up in arguments, disputes, and accusations. Not his best night. (If we had a reliable time for him, we might be able to say more,)" This was a silly prediction. We already knew, just from trends and polls, that Bernie was going to do really well, as he did (getting nearly half the vote in the state). Also, he was remarkably NOT in an argument in the debate a few dats earlier, as everyone ignored him and slammed Bloomberg.

PETE BUTTIGIEG (A data). "These are nearly all quite good except, perhaps, for the emotional ambiguity of Neptune-Venus. Pete, who remains technically the front-runner... may retain that, explaining the excellent, celebrating mood he's likely to be in that night. Nonetheless, Saturn-Pluto is surely weighing on him." The spirit of this is right. Pete had a particularly good night. He might turn out to be No. 2, but probably will lag behind Biden. On Tuesday night, his team's reports did show him in No. 2. He also gave one of the most important speeches of his campaign to date. So, no, he didn't stay front-running (but is still No. 2 and not too far behind Bernie).

ELIZABETH WARREN (C data). "Most obvious: This will be an outstanding test of her birth time, since the Venus-Jupiter square falls right on the angles and the other aspects (and her momentum) are not that great. If she finishes in the top two in Nevada, I'm going to take the 2 PM time quite seriously." First impression is that the result does not speak well for the birth time. There was enough early voting that she didn't get full credit for her scathing, highly regarded skewering of Bloomie a few nights earlier.

JOE BIDEN (A data). "Joe has his best night yet - some pleasant surprises for him, perhaps not huge, but enough to make him the headline late evening." Joe absolutely, unequivocally had his best night yet.

AMY KLOBUCHAR (AA data). "Amy did great in New Hampshire, and Ju-Sa is a strong, positive aspect; but the rest kinda suck. These look separative, "ending." She's been doing too well to back out no matter how bad a given night goes, but... this looks like a serious negative blow to her campaign." She had quite a poor night, compared to New Hampshire in particular.