2020 Libsolar

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:22 pm

If we do not solve the cyber-security issues around voting now, there will be no data security in the 2020 election.

Calculate the 2020 Libsolar for Washington, DC. (To entertain yourself, go back and calculate the 2016 one, in case you've forgotten.) Here are the elements of the 2020 chart half a month before the election. They have "cyber-crime" written all over them.

Uranus on Asc 1°03'
-- Uranus-Pluto sq. 0°04' in mundo
Pluto on MC 1°07'
Mercury on Dsc 1°19'
-- Me/Ur on Horizon 0°08'
-- Mercury-Uranus op. 1°25'
-- Mercury-Pluto sq. 2°27'in mundo
Sun on WP 0°47'
Moon on Dsc 4°45'
-- Mo/Su on Horizon 0°58'
Jupiter on MC 5°44'
-- Jupiter-Pluto op. 3°13'
Mars on Asc 6°51'
-- Sun-Mars op. 0°09' in mundo
-- Sun-Jupiter sq. 0°58' in mundo
-- Mars-Jupiter sq. 0°31'
-- Sun-Pluto sq. 2°30'
-- Mars-Pluto 2°42'
Saturn on MC 6°58'
-- Sun-Saturn sq. 0°36'
-- Saturn-Pluto conj. 3°06'

Moon-Mercury conj. 0°42'
Moon-Uranus op. 2°07'
Moon-Saturn sq. 2°12' in mundo

The summary looks like this:
Sun Mercury Uranus Pluto (Moon Mars Jupiter Saturn).
Mo/Su Moon-Mercury Moon-Saturn Moon-Uranus
Sun-Mars-Jupiter-Pluto Sun-Saturn Mercury-Uranus-Pluto Saturn-Pluto

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:50 am

Jim wrote:

If we do not solve the cyber-security issues around voting now, there will be no data security in the 2020 election.

Jim, how do you see this issue affecting a Prez election? Do you see these cyber-security issues being addressed?

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:35 am

SteveS wrote: Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:50 am Jim wrote:
If we do not solve the cyber-security issues around voting now, there will be no data security in the 2020 election.
Jim, how do you see this issue affecting a Prez election? Do you see these cyber-security issues being addressed?

The public reports so far are that there was no invasive hacking in the 2018 midterms. This is really surprising and I don't trust it but, so far, the limited amount of public discussion by government security agencies is that there is nothing at all.

This is not just surprising, it's almost unbelievable. It would require that either Russia gave up or that our government had suddenly gotten really, really good and made us impenetrable. "Impenetrable" isn't just a really tough standard, it can't be the whole story because any attempts at penetrating would have been detected: Then the truth would be "we have successfully repelled all attacks." Instead, they are saying no attacks were detected, that none occurred.

Therefore, all of the following (and probably more I haven't thought of) are more credible to me:

* There were successful attacks that were not detected
* Russia had a strategic reason for not attacking this particular election
* There was actual on-going attack and counter-attack and defense that DHS doesn't want to disclose and is lying about.

Etc.

Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:21 am

The Russians have the president they want, and he appears from their vantage to "own" the Supreme Court, and the Senate which goes along with pretty much anything he tells them to. They had no need to hack this election, and strategically, they expect since there was no apparent problem this time, we will do nothing. That will give them plenty of time to rig the next, more important to them, presidential election.

We don't have one Presidential election. We don't have 50. We have one for each of the 3,007 counties in the US. That keeps the Russians from being able to do anything quick and easy. They have to find one kind of voting machine with a weakness that's widely used, or something of that sort. If we try to force uniformity in vote taking, we will lose that defense. I don't want to see us do that.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:04 am

Thanks Jim.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:47 am

IMO, there is high % a 'shocking revolutionary-change' (Uranus- Pluto Paran) will occur, also, with tight angular Moon- Mercury conjunction (People/Voters/News) with DC's 2020 Libsolar (Oct 17) preceding the Nov 3 2020 Prez election, maybe also for Senate Seats. Libsolar Sun partile conjunct West Point—partile 90 Saturn does not bold well for Trump and his followers, allowing this angular Sun to symbolize the current President.

In the 2016 Prez election we saw complete voter dissatisfaction from radical Right by electing a non-political person (Trump). Very high % we will see more political dissatisfaction, this go-around, from the radical Left voting new change from a traditional political President, depending on certain possible factors. It will be a happy change for the Left with Jupiter angular in this Libsolar. This is a most dynamic configured Libsolar. Put this Libsolar together with the Uranus 2020 Capsolar symbolizing change as the “Master” symbolic factor for a Presidential Election year, again, very high astrological % Change is-a coming.

There is also a background partile 180 of Venus-Neptune which colors this Libsolar. Jim offers from his book Sidereal Mundane Astrology tones for this planetary combo:

Intense devotion, passionate belief, compelling fantasy or role-playing, performance art. Disillusionment, betrayed alliances, perceived offenses, diplomatic embarrassment or loss of esteem.

DC's Oct 17 2020 Libsolar:
https://imgur.com/6eRvDsH

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:10 am

By far, without a doubt, the most dominating factor in the Oct 17 2020 DC Libsolar, is a Uranus-Pluto Paran. Ebertin from 'Combination of Stellar Influences' says about the 'Principle' of Uranus-Pluto:

The process of transformation. (Collapse of the old order, construction of the new.) Revolution.

Reading this potent Uranus-Pluto 'Principle' applying something to do with the Presidential Election and Senate Elections for 33-34 new seats, I see a high % for a revolutionary voting 'transformation' and 'collapse of the old order', with a 'construction of the new' for new changing politicians taking over politics in DC. Of course, if this is to happen, we will have to see the Dems taking the Prez and Senate. Our first heads-up if Ebertin above words will apply to the processes of the 2020 Election--will be Biden or Sanders will not be the Dem Candidate for Prez---both are too old to fit the above planetary symbolism, maybe Sanders as a Socialist platform, but certainly not Biden as representing the 'old order' of politics. In other words, I see a young revolutionary voting public taking over politics.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:35 pm

Of course, this could also happen if our election process caved in and a Fascist dictatorship took over, voiding the election. The exact same words would apply. In fact, these words were written by Ebertin descriptive of Hitler's take-over, emerging, and reshaping of Germany.

With Mercury's strong involvement, I think it a mistake to overlook the chance of cyber attack and technological intrusion into the election like last time. I have the word of a member of the House intelligence committee (given me face-to-face over lunch) that the U.S. government is, indeed, taking very strong steps and making excellent progress in securing our voting systems and our cyber systems, and this member of Congress is directly involved in review and monitoring that progress; nonetheless, I think it would be foolish to overlook that possibility.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:40 pm

SteveS wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:10 am ...maybe Sanders as a Socialist platform, but certainly not Biden as representing the 'old order' of politics. In other words, I see a young revolutionary voting public taking over politics.

This would be completely contrary to current polls and strengths.

Of course, we know that polls change and the priorities and rankings will change over the months ahead, so we needn't get stuck in the current situation. Nonetheless, I find it strange that, with several younger figures running (one only 2 years older than the minimum age), it is the three oldest that have floated so strongly to the top of the polls. Obviously they have the strongest established organizations, which gives them a head start.

My wise-acre observation from yesterday: Next Inauguration Day (1/20/2021), the U.S. Constitution will be 233 years old. Biden, Warren, and Sanders will be 228 years old. That should be close enough, yes?

FWIW, my personal view of this election, also summarized elsewhere yesterday, is as follows. (Feel free to ignore.) -- As a broad answer to many things that came up today:
(1) In the 2020 election cycle, if Donald Trump is still president there is no priority greater than his decisive removal.
(2) Therefore, I will vote for whoever gets the Democratic nomination unconditionally, even if it's one of the one or two current candidates I dislike. Any other action would be an active support of Donald Trump.
(3) I will, of course, vote my conscience and best reason in the California primary to tip the scales a tiny bit toward whoever I then consider the best candidate.
(4) I will make no direct pubic attacks or significantly disparaging remarks on any of the Democratic candidates because, despite my wishes, the one I snark at might get the nomination and I might, therefore, have helped the Trump campaign inadvertently. However, I reserve the right to level jokes at any and all of them.
(5) Anyone who is a holdout for one candidate (whoever it is) or who is adamantly opposed to one of the remaining candidates for the nomination (whoever it is) has a choice to get out and vote for the Democratic candidate come Election Day or to be directly complicit in supporting the Trump campaign. There is no third choice.
(6) I'm incredibly proud of the whole herd of Democratic candidates, of the political, cultural, and other diversity they represent. However the primary shakes out, the current phase is fiercely important.
(7) There is far less difference between the candidates than the press and most advocates want you to believe. They all agree with each other on 90% or so [or more!] of what matters AND nobody knows what the next president will be faced with - I think they all would respond to what's actually in front of them even if it contradicted their campaign promises. That's the nature of the job. You're hiring a person - a character pattern, a set of personal skills and capabilities - not a platform. I'd always vote for competence over agreeing with me, if that was the choice, though I'd prefer to have competence that also agrees with me

Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:28 pm

I agree with all of that except if Trump is not president during the 2020 election cycle, Pence will almost certainly be (otherwise it will be Mrs. Pelosi, who probably wouldn't be reelected, and who, I think, would not run). So whoever is President in this coming cycle, there is no priority greater than electing a Democratic president no matter if it's my first, second, or third choice or not.

I hope it's Biden+Buttigieg, in either format, but I'm not holding my breath and I'll even vote for Sanders although I think the man is a spoiler who helped elect Trump and why the heck is an Independent running for the nomination of the Democratic party anyway?

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:52 pm

My positive statement about Sanders is that I broadly (and often specifically) agree with nearly all his ideas, as I have for, oh, a quarter century. (Of course, Hillary agreed with most or all of them today. There is a difference between where a candidate's heart is and how they choose to campaign. I personally prefer "campaign center, govern left.")

I'm not worried about the age factor in governing, only in electability. Any Democratic candidate elected will have access to hundreds of the best government operatives of the last 30 years, who will stream out of the woodwork to step up. I personally know dozens of people in the private sector that would leave high-earning positions to take government positions - people who served the Clinton and Obama administrations brilliantly, people who were lined up behind Hillary ready to uproot their lives on her victory. Biden has the easy first draw on all of these people,. but they'd mostly show up for any winner.

And, unlike the present Resident, the newly elected Democratic president (any of those on the stage this week) would actually listen to these gifted, skilled, able people.

The first purpose of the next administration is to put the country back together. It's a shame that at least half an administration will be spent undoing the prior four years, and a bigger change that it's too late to be effective on some things.

Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:15 pm

Yes, it's a shame whoever it is won't be able to move forward right away, but fixing things that got broke is not wasting time.

If Bernie was elected, he wouldn't be a Democratic president, would he? I mean he says he's a Democratic Socialist, right? Not the same thing. But as long as he gets rid of Steven Miller and has a decent VP, I'd support him.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:05 pm

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:15 pm Yes, it's a shame whoever it is won't be able to move forward right away, but fixing things that got broke is not wasting time.

Biden, challenged the other night for wanting to "return to the past," responded, "That past was pretty good!"

If Bernie was elected, he wouldn't be a Democratic president, would he? I mean he says he's a Democratic Socialist, right? Not the same thing. But as long as he gets rid of Steven Miller and has a decent VP, I'd support him.

If he were elected as the Democratic candidate, history would record him as a Democrat. If he (almost impossibly) ran as an independent and won, he'd be a Democratic Socialist.

Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:10 pm

He insists he's a Democratic Socialist, which I think should disqualify him from becoming the Democratic nominee. But I'd still vote for him over Trump. I'll vote my choice in the primary.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:07 am

Yes, a long way to go before we see the polls sort out for a clear Dem favorite with their Primaries. There is one clear aspect of the astrology I am analyzing which offers a high % of happening-- and that is Trump will not be elected for a second term. If my analysis of the 2020 Libsolar is to manifest with Ebertin delineations of Uranus-Pluto for a 'construction of the new' –then the only thing that makes sense to me for the 2020 Election cycle is the Dem's will also have to take the Senate allowing new laws to be passed; otherwise, nothing will really change legally, and the 2020 Libsolar is highly symbolic of some major political changes for DC, imo. The dynamic/angular symbolism in the 2020 Libsolar is most interesting to me from a political perspective with the 2020 Elections!

Democrats who think that winning the presidency in 2020 will enable a rapid transformation in social and economic policy should understand how formidable the obstacles they face actually are. Winning control of the Senate is vital, but the odds of doing so are long.

It could be the Uranus-Pluto Paran in the 2020 Libsolar could reverse these long-odds for the Dem's gaining control of the Senate.

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the- ... e-in-2020/

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:01 am

If you start with the premise that Trump won't win reelection, then I agree with you - this is how the symbolism has to work out.

I'm not yet willing to accept the premise that he won't win. I think we have to be wary and fight, with everything we have, every single day from now until election day. We have 414 days to go and 414 of them require personal battle. The only way I'll feel at ease is if he's gone ahead of time, already removed before election day, but that probably isn't going to happen.

I don't think he's going to win but, hey, there are 414 days to go and I've been wrong about such things before

. I see the only ethical choice as living in disturbed, wary uneasiness.

Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:31 am

We'll start seeing the Democratic field narrowing after February 3, 2020, when the Iowa caucuses will be held. Till then the field should and I hope will, stay large and wide despite the media jumping up and down about how many are running.

BTW, anybody noticed Fox News hiring Democrats as pundits? Trump has. Fox wants to stay in business and is hedging its bet on Trump winning.

As for whether or not Trump wins, there's always martial law. No, I'm not kidding. He already declared a national emergency to take money away from the military to build his campaign promise wall.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:36 pm

Jim wrote:

If you start with the premise that Trump won't win reelection, then I agree with you - this is how the symbolism has to work out.

Jim, this is exactly my premise! Trump will not win reelection! I am reading the 2020 Libsolar Uranus-Pluto Paran as a shocking/stunning political change, no different as the 2016 Libsolar was a shocking/stunning election change result with Trump winning Prez. DC's 2016 Libsolar also featured a Uranus-Pluto Paran with Sun & Mars in the mix! The Vegas betting odds for Prez and more importantly for the Senate Races will be most important to me combined with my keen personal interest in Sidereal Mundane Astrology with my read on the Nov 3rd 2020 Election. On the day of the 2016 Prez election, I saw the online betting Vegas odds go as high for Hillary a 9-1 favorite to win Prez! The 2016 Libsolar Uranus-Pluto Paran reversed these winning odds for Hillary-- with Trump winning in a stunning/shocking unexpected DC/USA psychological fashion.

2016 mundo Libsolar:
https://imgur.com/8YLpxeV

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:47 am

Just as the 2016 angular Uranus-Pluto Libsolar foretold a stunning/shocking result for the 2016 Presidential race with Trump winning, the 2020 angular Uranus-Pluto Libsolar foretells another stunning/shocking election result for the 2020 Presidential race, and probably for the Senate races as well. If the Prez and Senate races were today, the Dems would be considerable underdogs to win with current Vegas betting odds, but there would be very high probability the Dems would win in an unexpected stunning/shocking fashion with the angular Uranus-Pluto 2020 Libsolar. Looking at today's current betting odds for Prez, Warren would be a 4-1 underdog; Biden a 6-1 underdog; Sanders a 15-1 underdog; Yang a 18-1 underdog; and Harris a 20-1 underdog to win Prez.

But, as an experienced bettor on contests, here is what I find most odd: Vegas has the Dem Party a favorite to win Prez!!!

Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:25 am

It'd be just as unexpected/shocking if Trump won reelection. Even more so if he "won" which he will try.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:43 am

Jupe wrote:

It'd be just as unexpected/shocking if Trump won reelection.

Correct me if I am wrong, statistically does't an incumbent Prez running for reelection usually win? In 2016, I think most of the Country did not expect Trump to win, correct? I know this for a fact: The Vegas odds makers did not expect Trump to win because they had Hillary a heavy 9-1 favorite to win 2016 Prez on election day before polls opened---but the 2016 angular Uranus-Pluto Libsolar 'unexpectedly/shockingly reversed this psychologically thinking by the Vegas experts with Trump winning. So, I guess the main question will be: Will Vegas in 2020 have Trump a heavy favorite to win Prez again, or at least have the Dem candidate a heavy underdog to lose Prez?

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:57 am

Yes, the incumbent usually wins, but not invariably. Of Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama (the last 10 presidents who didn't die in office), 7 of 10 won reelection.

But the "blow away everything we've seen before" may not be just who wins: It might be something else. Trump winning or losing - either way - may not be a big enough shock for this chart. OTOH, the dismantling of the U.S. constitution, declaring martial law, and establishing a permanent military regime (just to make up one variant) would indeed be that shocking and would be consistent with the Capsolar following.

We know the answer: It is that the inconceivably unlikely will happen. What we don't know is which question to ask.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:15 am

Jim wrote:

We know the answer: It is that the inconceivably unlikely will happen. What we don't know is which question to ask.

Exactly Jim! But a Virgo should be able to figure exactly what that 2020 Libsolar means on election day before the polls open. I need to get ya'll to see a very unusual Vegas betting situation which is very rare. I will go over to the Sports Topic for the post.

Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:19 am

Jim Eshelman wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:57 am But the "blow away everything we've seen before" may not be just who wins: It might be something else.
...
We know the answer: It is that the inconceivably unlikely will happen. What we don't know is which question to ask.

The reports today are the missiles that hit the Saudi Arabian oil refineries were launched from Iran. We may be going to war. During a hot war, we re-elect the president in office unless we're clearly losing badly. With our fire power, we won't lose. But do you want to bet against Iran having a nuke and the means to deliver it? Or that Russia wouldn't back them up if Trump gets all puffed up and threatens them with a nuke?

Or a meteor could hit DC and all bets will be off.
"inconceivably unlikely"
Pretty much means we can't predict. Personally, I'd step away from trying to interpret this chart politically. I don't think it's a political chart.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:21 am

I do think it refers specifically to the election. (It's reminiscent of the 2016 Libsolar that looked like an all-out military attack on the country, which in fact happened - but only as a cyber attack.)

I just don't think we know what question this is answering.

Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:38 am

I agree. I don't think we know what question this chart is answering. But I think it's not directly answering the obvious question, which is "who wins the election?". (And I do think Trump + war = martial law, which means he'd suspend the election, but I don't know if that's what this chart might be showing. But it's also the Libsolar, not the Capsolar. )

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:46 am

I had started, and never finished, a project of studying all Libsolars in election years in U.S. history. As far as I got, it described the unusual conditions around the election pretty well. I really should finish it so we have a larger picture of how that operates.

I think Steve might be right to think of it roughly in sports prediction terms. I don't think, for example, that we'll find one party or the other shown, but there are probably strong indicators for "current administration wins/loses." It may be as simple as, "Large numbers of people in Washington, DC keep vs. lose their jobs, leave town, etc."

Or it may be something altogether different.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:12 am

It might be useful to trim the full, lengthy breakdown of the chart with which I began this thread and identify the strongest factors - Class 1 angularities (with closest highlighted) and the closest aspects (with partile highlighted). Here's what we get:

Sun on WP 0°47'
Uranus on Asc 1°03'
Pluto on MC 1°07'
Mercury on Dsc 1°19'

Uranus-Pluto sq. 0°04' in mundo
Sun-Mars op. 0°09' in mundo
Mars-Jupiter sq. 0°31'
Sun-Saturn sq. 0°36'
Moon-Mercury conj. 0°42'
Sun-Jupiter sq. 0°58' in mundo
--------------------------------------------
Mercury-Uranus op. 1°25'
-- Me/Ur on Horizon 0°08'

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:30 pm

Jim wrote:

I do think it refers specifically to the election. (It's reminiscent of the 2016 Libsolar that looked like an all-out military attack on the country, which in fact happened - but only as a cyber attack.) I just don't think we know what question this is answering.

With me, I feel very strongly the 2020 Uranus-Pluto Libsolar is predicting the Dem Party winning the Prez and fair-good % they take the Senate, just as the Uranus-Pluto 2016 Libsolar foretold a major upset with Trump winning 2016. But what helps me a-lot reading the 2020 Libsolar is the astrology for Trump's AA chart (I think its still an AA rating) tells me very high % he loses the 2020 Prez election. This tells me one or two situations must occur with Vegas betting odds: 1: Either Trump will be a heavy betting favorite like Hillary was in 2016. Or, 2: The Dem Candidate will be a sizable betting underdog. We will just have to wait till election day to see the final betting odds before polls open. Also, not to be over-looked: This angular Uranus-Pluto 2020 Libsolar could be foretelling an unexpected stunning/shocking result in the Senate races. Of course my thinking is also swayed by my own personal research with sporting events where statistically I see very potent angular Uranus-Pluto symbolism with SMA charts and personal AA rated charts of sports figures calling major upsets according to Vegas betting lines. This tells me we need to pay more attention to highly-unlikely political outcomes just like the highly-unlikely situation for Trump winning the Prez in 2016. In my mind—if a non-politician like Trump could win 2016 Prez---why not the Dem's winning 60 seats in the Senate or at the very least a majority.

Question: If the Dem's take 2020 Prez and happen by a long shot to take 60 Senate seats, what politically happens then??? Would not this case fill the angular Uranus-Pluto symbolism in the 2020 Libsolar. I have Moon-Jupiter-Neptune in my next SSR as a main feature, and as you can tell I am really getting in a fun- speculative mode.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:25 pm

I realize this may sound corny but I strongly believe we are seeing one of the 7 principles of Hermetic teachings in DC politics with the “Principle of Polarity” pertaining to the raging battles between Left and Right politics in DC. For example:

In the 2016 Libsolar we saw Mars cnj Pluto and the Left had an angered meltdown with Trump being elected. But, in the 2020 Libsolar we see Jupiter replace Mars with its cnj to Pluto. I see this Jupiter as the “Principle of Polarity” doing a balancing act with the Dem's taking control of DC in 2020 vs the Reps controlling DC until the Midterms. However, this 2020 Libsolar Jupiter may have something to do with the laws of the Constitution. Anyway, I see Jupiter balancing the Left with political 2020 election happiness; whereas, in 2016 most of the Dem voters (2 million more) met Trump's election with much anger (Mars), regardless of the true reasons.

Principle of Polarity

The Principle of Polarity embodies the idea that everything is dual, everything has two poles, and everything has its opposite.[9] All manifested things have two sides, two aspects, or two poles.[10] Everything "is" and "isn't" at the same time, all truths are but half truths and every truth is half false, there are two sides to everything, opposites are identical in nature yet different in degree, extremes meet, and all paradoxes may be reconciled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kybalion

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:04 am

The way I see things now, I am allowing good probability the Mercury-Uranus-Pluto Paran in the 2020 Libsolar is symbolizing Bernie Sanders being elected Prez. If so, this will utterly stun/shock the political Right. Depending on the psychology the right wing media will be feeding their listeners/ viewers about a possible Bernie Sanders for Prez before the election, will determine the unexpected Uranus/Pluto shock levels. Also the betting odds for this election with Senate election results will be an important determinant for the shock levels on many fronts. Of course if Bernie is not the Dem Nominee then my present speculative mind for this possibility in the future is flawed

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SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:52 am

Jim wrote from his Sidereal Mundane Astrology book:

Most often, Sun concentrates attention on a head of state, the government in general, or other
local ego-hubs of authority (e.g., “management”).

Jim, with 2020 Libsolar DC Sun partile cnj West Point and partile 90 Libsolar Saturn, doesn't this one aspect alone offer a higher probability Trump and other government authority officials will be voted out of office Nov 3 2020? I have a very important business meeting Monday with by best friend and a few of his business associates pertaining to Election 2020.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:53 am

I think that's the most likely outcome for the aspects you describe.

It could,, of course, be something quite different, such as a suppressive, dictatorial regime securing its permanent control of tue nation

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:42 am

Jim wrote:

It could,, of course, be something quite different, such as a suppressive, dictatorial regime securing its permanent control of the nation.

I don't understand what you mean by your above statement. Can you explain further?

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:07 am

Trump is on a path Hitler followed. Astrological patterns are consistent with militant fascism. Though i dont think it tue most likely outcome, it isn't at all impossible thst he would refuse to honor any election, would overtly use his newly expanded executive power to suspend elections, or in other ways seek to assert dictatorial powers with himself as one of rhe presidents for life he so admires.

Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:39 am

Jim Eshelman wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:07 am Trump is on a path Hitler followed.

This is one of the reasons many people are so paranoid over the right to keep and bear arms.

Of course, those are the very people most likely to try to keep Trump in office.

If he tries to pull something, the Secret Service will confine him to Mar-A-Lago, and the white house staff will pack for him and send his things along, just like they do for every outgoing president. It keeps former presidents from taking the Frederic Remington art home with them. (I'm pretty sure it's the only thing that does.)

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:59 am

SteveS wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:52 am Jim, with 2020 Libsolar DC Sun partile cnj West Point and partile 90 Libsolar Saturn, doesn't this one aspect alone offer a higher probability Trump and other government authority officials will be voted out of office Nov 3 2020? I have a very important business meeting Monday with by best friend and a few of his business associates pertaining to Election 2020.

To elaborate a bit more... there is SO much happening in this chart, with the 0°04' Uranus-Pluto square (each within 1°07' of angles) being the strongest. An afflicted Sun within 1° of WP is probably the other similarly strong factor - though its indications are mixed since it is opposite Mars 0°09', square Jupiter 0°58', an square a widely foreground Saturn 0°36'.

The simplest interpretation of this is that there is a fundamental overthrow of the existing situation and it bodes poorly for the current chief executive, with zealous opposition. But note that word "zealous." That 0°31' is passionate in many ways - no moderation in enthusiasm - but including enthusiastic pro-militarism of the strutting, goose-stepping variety. An alternative interpretation of this chart is an overthrow of the United States as we've known it and suppressive, elitist control. (Look at the Libsolar as if it were someone's natal chart and ask yourself what that person would be like.)

Here is a copy of the full breakout of the Libsolar.

Uranus on Asc 1°03'
-- Uranus-Pluto sq. 0°04' in mundo
Pluto on MC 1°07'
Mercury on Dsc 1°19'
-- Me/Ur on Horizon 0°08'
-- Mercury-Uranus op. 1°25'
-- Mercury-Pluto sq. 2°27'in mundo
Sun on WP 0°47'
Moon on Dsc 4°45'
-- Mo/Su on Horizon 0°58'
Jupiter on MC 5°44'
-- Jupiter-Pluto op. 3°13'
Mars on Asc 6°51'
-- Sun-Mars op. 0°09' in mundo
-- Sun-Jupiter sq. 0°58' in mundo
-- Mars-Jupiter sq. 0°31'
-- Sun-Pluto sq. 2°30'
-- Mars-Pluto 2°42'
Saturn on MC 6°58'
-- Sun-Saturn sq. 0°36'
-- Saturn-Pluto conj. 3°06'

Moon-Mercury conj. 0°42'
Moon-Uranus op. 2°07'
Moon-Saturn sq. 2°12' in mundo

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:57 am

IF Trump is a 7-9 to 1 favorite on election day 2020 with the betting odds; and, whoever the Dem Nominee shall be is a 4-5 to 1 underdog on election day with the betting odds, I predict the Uranus-Pluto Paran in the 2020 Libsolar will totally stun and shock

DC with Trump losing the 2020 Prez Election. On Election day 2016, Hillary was a 9-1 favorite to be 2016 Prez and Trump was a +550 underdog to become Prez. The 2016 Libsolar also had a potent angular combo of Uranus-Pluto foretelling a major political upset with Trump being elected Prez.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:05 am

Because I now will have a possible $/client interest in the outcome of the Prez Election, I am paying more attention to the political news from both the left/right wing political media sources. A new observation this week: I am now seeing more from the Right wing political media sources feeding their listeners/viewers: There ain't no way Trump loses to the Dems in the 2020 Prez!!! In the 2016 Prez Election I saw the opposite with the Left wing political media sources feeding their listeners/viewers: There ain't no way Hillary loses to Trump!!! Also in 2016, I witness with the Right political media news---doubt among the Right Trump had much of a chance winning verses Hillary. This week I am now starting to see the opposite with some of the Left wing political media news sources express doubts the Dems will have a candidate to win vs Trump. This Hermetic Principle for the pendulum of cosmic natural law polarity swinging back and forth between these political polar opposites is becoming most interesting to my speculative/wagering mind analyzing the political news psychology of the Right/Left in 2016 and now 2020!

With Hillary a 9-1 favorite on election evening to win 2016 Prez, the potent angular Uranus-Pluto 2016 Libsolar timed the biggest upset in political history for Prez---Trump upset Hillary. And the Left was stunned/shocked (Uranus-Pluto) with this huge political upset. If I see Trump a 7/9 to 1 favorite to win Prez on election evening 2020, I will predict the Dem Nominee will upset Trump with a win for another huge Uranus-Pluto political upset, leaving this time around-- the Right stunned/shocked with the angular Uranus-Pluto Paran in the 2020 Libsolar. The more unlikely the Dem Nominee, the greater the shock value will be on the Right. Or, there could be more potent Uranus-Pluto shock value on the Right if the Dems gained majority of the Senate along with Dem Prez.

If Trump is only a small favorite to win 2020 Prez on election evening, I predict Trump wins 2020 Prez along with taking back the House and probably adding to their Senate majority. If this small favorite betting odds becomes actuality for Trump, this means to me IMO, the 2020 Libsolar Uranus-Pluto shock value will again be felt on the Left. This is highly unlikely IMO with the transiting malefic symbolism I see with Trump's Natal Chart; whereas in 2016 I saw great Sidereal Astrology Moon-Jupiter symbolism with Trump's 2016 SSR! We all need to endeavor to see the location where Trump's 2020 SSR sets-up.

But, one thing I do know with high probability: Since this 2020 potent Uranus-Pluto Libsolar is for DC-- ONE of the political parties will most likely be stunned/shocked with the 2020 Election results!

Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:47 am

SteveS wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:05 am Because I now will have a possible $/client interest in the outcome of the Prez Election, I am paying more attention to the political news from both the left/right wing political media sources.

Do yourself a favor and don't ride the rollercoaster that is the news media till after Super Tuesday, March 3, when Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Democrats Abroad, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, and Virginia all hold their primaries. Super Tuesdays usually point to one or two candidates clearly. California, Colorado, North Carolina, Texas and Virginia are important states with a lot of electors in the Elector College. Minnesota and Utah are important this year too.

Eventually Florida will vote too, and with all the people who've come in from devastated and dumped Puerto Rico, it may go solidly blue. Another state to really watch.

I do not want to see Bernie go up against Trump in a debate. Trump has no respect, and no sense of when to stop. Bernie would be lucky to get a word in, and his strength is explaining things, while Trump's is interruption, taunting and talking over. People defer to Bernie and let him lecture and make his points. Trump would just eat him.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:04 am

Steve, with your current interests, you might want to read this interview with James Carville.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... s-carville

Carville knows more about winning elections than just about anyone. (To say he's candid and plainspoken is a euphemism.) He makes many points I've long made especially about HOW messaging should be approached, and he brings deep insider instincts and perspectives. He's hardly a last word, but I think the left in general needs to hear what he says.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:18 am

Jim, I love the James Carville link, I've read this article 3 times! He tells it like it is---things are {bonked}-up and the old establishment Dems like James knows it. James sees one of his life passions--the Dem Party being turned upside down. I can vividly remember in 2016 many members of the old establishment Reps Party (the Bush family) seeing their Party being turned upside down with the Rep voting public electing Trump as their most unlikely Nominee. And then look what happened—the unthinkable-- Trump upset Hillary for Prez. If Trump the most unlikely 2016 Rep candidate can be elected Prez by a voting populace, why not the most unlikely Dem Candidate Bernie be elected Prez by the voting populace?

I look to Sidereal Astrology for my truths and then put my speculative money where my Sidereal Astrology analytical mind/mouth is, right or wrong. All I know is: The Sidereal Mundane Astrology 2016 angular Uranus-Pluto Libsolar timed a most unlikely Prez candidate becoming Prez---Trump. Only if Bernie, the most unlikely candidate for Prez becomes the Dem Nominee, I think the voting public will nominate him for Prez, which IMO will have been foretold with another great political upset by the angular Uranus-Pluto in the 2020 Libsolar. Jim, you are the Sidereal Mundane Astrologer who taught me in the mundane world—angular Uranus-Pluto symbolizes 'stunning/shocking events, correct? We may not know for sure the specific Uranus-Pluto event the 2020 Libsolar will manifest in DC, but we know with high Sidereal Mundane Astrology probability it will have something to do with election 2020.

James Carville wrote:

I think the other side wants us to think there are no swing voters, that we’re doomed and it doesn’t even matter if you have a message because you can’t reach anyone. I think that’s {bs}. I think that’s a wholly incorrect view of American politics. But look, if no one’s persuadable, then let’s just have the revolution.

Jim/JSAD, with me being a non political activist, I am not sure what Carville (a passionate political activist) exactly means with “just having a revolution.” I do know Uranus-Pluto symbolism is par-excellent symbolism for “A Revolution” In what context is James talking about here with the word “Revolution???”

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:17 am

He appears to be saying that if there are indeed no lrge mass of swing voters then defeating the current regime in an election is impossible and the country is on a permanent made dash into Hitleresque hell, so... the only alternative is to raise arms and overthrow the U.S. government by force.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:32 am

Overall, I do not see how the Trump administration can survive the Capsolar It's possible that the Capsolar symbolism only means that we had one quick impeachment trial at the start of the year,but it seems a much bigger deal than that - it has overwhelming and obvious symbolism for overthrowing the current executive leadership. It shows the "death" of the current regime.

The only other interpretation I can find i that it shows rigid, controlling, tyrannical leadership and the death of the United States as a whole. That's a real concern in some branching "don't assume anything is impossible where Uranus-Pluto is at play" reality.

Sun in mundane astrology represents the ego-center of the country (or smaller region). This broadly means the government, especially the executive power) and, within that, means the center of government itself - the chief executive. Pulling back from preconceptions, there is no way I can think of to distinguish the symbolism for the overthrow of the government and the overthrow of the president and his administration. The symbolism would be roughly the same. Only conventional wisdom (common sense) tells us that the overthrow of the current president in an election year is far more likely than the overthrow of the nation as a whole.

With the Libsolar, again, we have symbols of overthrow with great involvement of the Sun. The Uranus-Pluto mundane square within 0°04', about 1° from angles, is the strongest factor. The next strongest is the Sun-Mars-Jupiter foreground T-square - 6-7° from angles but orbs very close. There is uprising of the people - a Moon-Uranus opposition across horizon - and this could be by revolution or the voting booth. Notice, though, an aspect easy to miss in this, which is quite worrisome: Foreground Moon also squares Saturn, about 2° (and unique to Washington area, not the world overall). This does suggest something dire, something that puts the Moon-Uranus square in the worst possible light.

So yes, I'm worried.

And yes, if I were handicapping a major sports contest I'd absolutely say it will be flipped to the underdog. I'm with you completely on that. Unfortunately, we won't know who the underdog is until nearly the election. If these were the charts for the projected winner's home town, I'd definitely say they will lose despite noble and heroic playing. (Uranus-Pluto underdog, Sun-Mars-Jupiter close but less angular heroic playing, Moon-Uranus rapid turn-overs and being a bit out of control of the situation, Moon-Saturn deflating loss.)

But this isn't the Washington Nationals playing. It's the United States of America as a whole. That's the home team.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:39 am

The nation seems at war for the second and third quarters of the year. This surely is just the competitiveness of the campaigns. The ARISOLAR has an exalted Mars 1°33' from MC in Jupiter';s fall and Venus 0°31' above Asc in Taurus. Venus is minutely more powerful.

Together, they basically speak of everyone being intensely passionate, with divisiveness vs. bonding together being at the heart of it. Wars are started under Venus-Mars aspects and there will be plenty of attacks in the air - we don't need astrology to know that.

As the Cansolar is dormant, this Arisolar is the Quarter chart from mid-April to mid-October. Basically, we have this and the Capsolar to show us the year until two to three weeks before the election.

Meanwhile, Moon will closely aspect Pluto in every single week-by-week lunar ingress that occurs (just as it aspected Uranus throughout 20160.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:49 am

Moscow's Capsolar is dormant.

Moscow's CANSOLAR, therefore, becomes an unusually strong chart (Year Chart level) once it occurs in mid-July. It has Pluto exactly on WP, Saturn square MC. It's not an easy chart for them. It also has Sun and Jupiter on EP-WP, their midpoint 05' from WP. Exactly angular Saturn and Pluto plus Pl = Su/Ju mark the time for Russia, which I take to be bad for them but with no shortage power-politics and leveraging elite strength.

The Libsolar is dormant, so the Cansolar is the sole solar ingress influence on Russia for our election. It does bring a worldwide Moon-Mercury conjunction opposite Uranus, so cyber-intrusions and clever technology will be flying all over the place.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:01 am

The October 22 CAPLUNAR for Washington has the following breakout:

Jupiter on Dsc 0°05'
Mars sq. Asc 1°10'
Pluto on Dsc 2°14'
Moon & Saturn more widely foreground
-- Moon-Saturn conj. 0°47'
-- Moon-Pluto conj. 1°19' in mundo
-- Mars-Jupiter sq. 1°33'
-- Jupiter-Pluto conj. 2°09' in mundo
-- Saturn-Pluto conj. 3°14'
-- Moon-Jupiter conj. 3°29' in mundo

What in the world does this mean? Part of it is probably some sort of major economic swing for a month. It resembles our current Caplunar with Jupiter exactly angular but acutely loss-prone (almost devastating) Moon aspects. Stripping it down to its tighter features to reduce the "noise," we get:

Jupiter on Dsc 0°05'
Mars sq. Asc 1°10'
Pluto on Dsc 2°14'
-- Moon-Saturn conj. 0°47'
-- Moon-Pluto conj. 1°19' in mundo
-- Mars-Jupiter sq. 1°33'
-- Jupiter-Pluto conj. 2°09' in mundo

Still, an afflicted Jupiter exactly angular plus a partile foreground Moon-Saturn conjunction primarily speaks to economic flattening - enormous costs and sharp market drops - and the whole has an air of power-politics being flung about. It's very hard for me to read this far away. It does suggest that people's passions and enthusiasms are being magnificently flared up.

Then, an ARILUNAR occurs October 30. Here is its breakdown:

Uranus op. MC 0°23'
Sun sq. MC 0°52'
Moon & Mercury widely foreground
-- Sun-Uranus op. 1°01' in mundo
-- Moon-Mercury op. 2°37'
Moon-Saturn sq. 1°07'
Moon-Pluto sq. 2°22'

Mercury also squares Saturn (1°30') but, while they are both connected to Moon, Saturn is not foreground so I am skipping the aspect. I dread it because it's the "hanging chad" aspect of screwed up vote counts etc. I don't think that's a factor here.

I think this chart shows Trump's defeat. With exactly angular Sun means, as it did in November 2018, "It's all about the president." (Obviously, the outcome is "all about Trump" regardless.) The fact that so exact a Sun-Uranus opposition dominates the chart - is mostly the whole of the chart - is consistent with "change of leadership." - Lots of "change of leadership" events have had foreground Sun-Uranus aspects in the return charts, including two presidents' deaths, another's resignation, and dozens of others I've seen casually and not recorded.

Moon's aspects to Pluto all year and her return to aspect both Saturn and Pluto at the end means that this entire process is divisive, not unifying = at least for the present. Pluto will remain near 0°Capricorn for another year or two.

TRANSITS TO THE CAPSOLAR for Election Day include transiting Saturn conjunct Capsolar MC. This, alone,seems decisive for the outcome, the rejection by the nation of its leadership. (My one uncertainty in this is that Saturn on Election Day exactly squares my Neptune. I am likely to be in the depths of morbid moods that day, which does not speak well for the outcome. Then again, my personal mood )

The CapQ for election night has only ingress/progressed Mercury on an angle. However, the CanQ has more to say. An hour after the polls close on the West Coast (09:00 11/4 Eastern), it has :

26°09' Pisces - CanQ MC
26°28' Sagittarius - t Jupiter
26°57' Sagittarius - s Jupiter
27°41' Sagittarius - t Pluto

To me, this looks like regime change.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:00 am

Jim wrote:

Overall, I do not see how the Trump administration can survive the Capsolar It's possible that the Capsolar symbolism only means that we had one quick impeachment trial at the start of the year,but it seems a much bigger deal than that - it has overwhelming and obvious symbolism for overthrowing the current executive leadership. It shows the "death" of the current regime.

I totally agree Jim. You and I may have different opinions on how this 'overthrow' may unfold, but thats OK. I think this 'overthrow' is going to take place through the natural election process. If I am right, there is nothing moderate about Uranus-Pluto in the Libsolar---its the opposite of moderate. This is why I think there will be no moderate on the Dem Ticket vs Trump Nov 8 2020; but, the Dems are still going to overthrow Trump, which will come as a stunning/shocking political event depending on the psychology of the betting odds and the media news at the time of Prez election.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:58 am

As I have been predicting, only if Bernie Sanders is the Dem Nominee, there is high probability he will upset Trump for Prez in the the 2020 Election. This potential upset is symbolized with the Uranus-Pluto Paran in the 2020 Libsolar, no different as the the Uranus-Pluto Paran in the 2016 Libsolar foretold the great political upset when Trump upset Hillary for Prez in 2016.

There is a very interesting background clue in this 2020 Libsolar which is a strong indicator to me if Bernie is the Dem Nominee, he will be elected Prez. Venus partiles 180 Neptune. It has always been my belief Venus with Election Charts symbolizes the relationships of the voters for the candidates. Robert Hand says about Venus-Neptune combos:

...Love of people including those who take care of one or need to be taken care of.

Although Robert's above words was not written in the context of a political election, I interpret this Venus-Neptune tone in this Libsolar as symbolizing the hoards of young people in this country seeking much needed financial aid, falling in love with Bernie's promises to em he will solve their financial burdens. And I already know the rest of the Dems, even through they may not like Bernie, will pitch their support and votes to Bernie for their best chance to get rid of Trump.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:48 am

I don't think any candidate can beat Trump without a Taurus-Scorpio or Cancer-Capricorn luminary. Of the top candidates, that means only Biden, Buttigieg, Bloomberg.

Bernie us a Leo-Pisces.