Solar Arc Directions

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

That would be valuable to us all if you could obtain those. If I get the chance, I'll approach Phillip separately.

If you make contact with him tell him I PM him weeks ago on the Skyscript forum. When your original Solunars forum went down temporarily and was out of service, both Phillip and I were very active on the Skyscript forum, but I have not been active at all on Skyscript since your original Solunars forum came back online. If we can get Firebrace past issues on Spica, consider it done, I will get em for us.

Jim wrote:

I know in 1972 Firebrace suggested to me that Solar Arcs would be a worthwhile subject for me to take up as a research project.

Jim, there would be no better astrologer on this planet than you to take-up a research project on Solar Arcs!!!! I know this: When I was an active member on Skyscript, I started a thread about your book, ‘Interpreting Solar Returns’ and it received the most hits ever of any topic on Skyscript. There are a-lot of astrologers on Skyscript—not Siderealists-- but if you ever get a chance to do a research project on Solar Arcs, I think all astrologers across the world would be very interested in an online research project by you on Solar Arcs. I am very curious how many of Noel Tyl’s books on “Solar Arcs” sold. Would this type info be available from the publisher??? IMO, I consider the knowledge and discovery of individual Solar Arcs up there with the same importance as Cyril Fagan re-discovering the Sidereal Zodiac, along with Bradley’s rectifying the equal divisions of the Sidereal Zodiac with Sidereal Ingresses. All three of these discoveries are equally important for all astrologers, imo, which personally I consider the 3 most important discoveries in the 20th Century (Period). I will support you in any way I can on a possible research project by you on Solar Arcs.

[Jim Eshelman]

I thought I'd run some events for the USA chart. The list below is stunning. Nearly every example approaches perfection, and the exact (within a few minutes) angle contacts confirm the birth time is exactly right.

And then there is a strange group - generally the largest and most obvious events in U.S. history (Nixon and Kennedy assassinations, Pearl Harbor, 9/11) that have nothing, or virtually nothing! This is confusing... but the others are so clear that it wouldn't seem to be a weakness in the chart itself. (My best guess is that it is a weakness in Solar Arcs per se.)

Solar Arcs in USA 7/4/1776 chart

Beirut embassy bombing 4/18/1983
d Mars conj r IC 29'
d Venus conj. r Pluto 10'

Oklahoma City bombing 4/19/1995
d Uranus conj. r IC 19'
t Mars conj. r Pluto 44'

Tree Mile Island Nuclear Disaster 3/28/1979
d Neptune sq. r Sun 02'
d Venus op. r Mercury 41'
d Jupiter conj. r Pluto 55'
(I take the Neptune direction as the main one, with the other two perhaps showing that this came out way better than it might have.)

1929 Wall Street Crash
(This one is stunningly inadequate.)
d Moon conj. r Mercury 20'
Going to the 45° we get much better:
d Sun ssq. r Pluto 01'
d Mars sqq. r Jupiter 46'

Great Chicago Fire & Peshtigo Fire 10/8/1871
d Sun conj. r Saturn 26', sq. r MC 23'
d Asc conj. r IC 02', sq. r Saturn 51'
d Mars conj. r Neptune 56'
d Venus sq. r Jupiter 55'

California Gold Rush began 1/24/1848
d Asc sq. r Neptune 04'
d Pluto sq. r Jupiter 29'
d Mercury sq. r Venus 15'
d Sun sq. r Mars 43', conj. r Neptune 28'

Woodstock 8/15/69
d SUn op. r Mercury 12'
d Neptune sq. r Venus 32'
d Mars op. r Venus 39'
d Venus op. r Sub 41', sq. r Asc 17'
d Asc sq. r Mercury 12'
d MC conj. r Plut 58'
d Venus sq. r Saturn 59'

Abraham Lincoln murdered 4/15/1865
Nothing! - Shockingly nothing (and it was essentially the same date as the end of the Civil War). Adding the 45° series also gies nothing.


John Kennedy murdered 11/22/1963
Nothing again! - This time, though, the 45° series helps:
d Moon ssq. r Saturn 28'

San Francisco Quake 4/18/1906
d Uranus sq. r MC 06', conj. r Saturn 43'
d Mars sq. r Pluto 17'

Northridge Quake 1/17/1994
d Uranus sq. r Saturn 07', op. r MC 56'
d Mars conj. r Pluto 33'
d Neptune sq. r Pluto 38'

Freedom 7 Launch (first U.S. man in sace) 5/5/1961
d Sun op. r MC 02', sq. r Saturn 51'
t Venus op. r Jupiter 30'
d Mercury conj. r Pluto 44'

Friendship 7 Launch (first U.S. orbit) 2/20/62
(Much the same but with improved)
d Mercury conj. r Pluto 04'
d Venus op. r Jupiter 18'
d Sun op. r MC 51'

Moon Landing 7/20/69
d Asc sq. r Mercury 08'
d Venus sq. r Asc 13', op. r Sun 37'
d Sun conj. r Mercury 16'
d Netune sq. r Venus 27'
d Mars op. r Venus 44'

Waco Siege 4/19/93
d Neptu e sq. r Pluto 08'
d Uranus sq. r Asx 23', sq. r Sun 47', sq. r Saturn 53'

Shuttle Challenger Explosion 1/28/86
d Moon sq. r Mars 39', conj. r Neptune 31'
d Uranus op. r Jupiter 43'

9/11 - 9/11/2001
Nothing! - Adding the 45° series, though, we get:
d Saturn ssq. r Sun 10'
d Neptune ssq. r Mars 19'

Pearl Harbor 12/7/1941
Again...NOTHING. (Strangely, lack of 0 / 90 / 180 has been for the really big things: Lincoln and Kennedy murders, Pearl Harbor, 9/11.) Going to 45° series gives us one thing line:
d Moon ssq. r Mars 43'

Hiroshima (& roughly end of WW II) 8/6/45
d Neptune sq. r Uranus 01'
d Jupiter sq. r Neptune 03'
d Pluto sq r Asc 30', sq. r Saturn 46', conj. r Sun 54'
d MC op. r Venus 46'

Trump's Election
d Neptune ssq. r Jupiter 16' sep.
d Mercury op. r Neptune 36' sep.
d Sun ssq. r Pluto 42' ap.
-- d Saturn sqq. r Pluto 59' sep

[SteveS]

Jim, I have a question which you are the only astrologer I know for a correct answer.

The question: Only at the Equator is it possible to measure accurately both in time or in arc degrees, 24 hours corresponding to the 360 degrees of the circle.

True or False?

[Jim Eshelman]

The question: Only at the Equator is it possible to measure accurately both in time or in arc degrees, 24 hours corresponding to the 360 degrees of the circle. True or False?

I'm not sure I understand the question. (I think the gap in my understanding is: Measure accurately What?)

Any circle is divisible into 360° or into 24 parts as hours (or, actually, into any number of divisions). For example, the latitude 34° North is a circle that consists of 360° or 24 hours.

[SteveS]

Thanks Jim.

[Jim Eshelman]

Something I haven't said... nobody seems to mention this... Solar Arcs may not exist as a form of directions in the same way that progressions exist. There may not really be anything like "Solar Arc directions" per se. The system may be entirely a consequence of midpoints giving the appearance that there are directed planets.

Here is the math: We calculate the Solar Arc position of a planet by first subtracting natal Sun from secondary progressed Sun, then adding this to the natal planet. We can write it this way:

pSun - rSun + rPlanet = dPlanet

That is, progressed Sun minus natal (radical) Sun plus some natal (radical) planet equals the directed planet.

Now we just manipulate the equation a bit:

Rearrange: rPlanet + pSun - rSun = dPlanet
Add rSun to both sides: rPlanet + pSun = dPlanet + rSun
Divide both sides by 2: rPlanet / pSun = dPlanet / rSun

In other words: the midpoint of the natal planet and progressed Sun is exactly equal to the midpoint of the directed planet and natal Sun.

This math is true even if there is no such thing as a directed planet. It's possible that the solar arc directed planets are just place holders for the outcome of the equation rPlanet + pSun - r Sun = X.

A real life example: My directed Moon is currently opposite natal Venus. We calculate directed Moon by the formula rMoon + pSun - rSun = dMoon. Because directed Moon is currently equal to natal Venus, that's just another way of discovering the time when:

rMoon + pSun - rSun = rVenus

This doesn't require that there be an actual directed Moon. It may just be a tactic for discovering that point in time when my natal Sun/Venus midpoint is the same as the midpoint of progressed Sun and natal Moon, a form of Moon/Sun = Sun/Venus.

[SteveS]

On Dec 21 2009, I had an exact Solar Arc Asc 180 Natal Mars

Here is how this Solar Arc angular Mars hit manifested. I was an independent contract delivery driver for a Company with a verbal agreement worked out with the manager of the Company to work at hours which made me the most $ with enjoyable hours. In the Autumn of 2009, the Company placed a new manager, replacing the manager which I had my verbal agreement. The new manager was a grade-a ----, and reduced my working hours to very unfavorable times. Me and the new manager got into a major argument and I walked out leaving a very enjoyable job and working relationship which I had with the previous manager. Bosses do make a difference.

Just as my SSR in 1984 offered superb/supporting planetary symbolism coinciding with my Solar Arc Mars Natal MC hit in Sept 1984, my 2009 SSR offered the same supporting angular Mars symbolism with the closest angular planets to my 2009 SSR:

SSR Moon 03,25 Asc; SSR Mars 05,15 SSR MC
Natal Mercury 03,40 SSR Asc; Natal Mars 04,10 SSR MC

But, the angular 2009 Mars Solar Arc MC hit was not near as bad emotionally as my angular 1984 Solar Arc Mars MC hit. Probably because in 1984-1985 my immediate environment involved many people who I enjoyed a long term working relationship, and the 2009 incident involved a total stranger who I only knew for a week. The closer the relationships in the environment, the more emotional pain involved with Mars disputes.

[SteveS]

It is somewhat rare to have an AA timed chart with a high profile public figure like Kamala Harris, who has been endorsed by high officials within her own political party with her rise in her political career, and now running for President of America. The astrological technique of Solar Arcs with the fathers of Cosmobiology is a big deal pertaining to timing important events in a lifetime, particularly when the Solar Arc involves a Natal Angle. During the Democratic Party's election process for a Presidential Candidate and election processes for President, Kamala has by far two of the most important Solar Arcs in her lifetime occurring. They are once-in-a-lifetime Solar Arc hits. They are:

1: Her Solar Arc Natal partile Full Moon is partile conjunct her Natal Ascendant.

Noel Tyl says from his book 'Solar Arcs' about the above Solar Arc:

Sun=AS; AS= Sun: Recognition, testing the identity through the reactions of others.

Moon=AS; AS=Moon: Focus on personal needs and relationships to fulfill them.

2: Her Solar Arc MC partile conjunct her partile Full Moon.

Noel Tyl says about this Solar Arc hit:

Sun=MC; MC=Sun: Ego recognition; potential glory; usually successful; fulfillment; Professional fulfillment; getting what one deserves.

Moon=MC; MC=Moon: One's strongest needs are out in the open public. Ego-consciousness alerts all one's senses.

Cosmobiologists look upon transits as the number 1 'trigger' for exciting/coloring a Solar Arc into operation, particularly an outer planet transit. It just so happens near the end of the Democratic Primaries mid-year 2020, t. Saturn partiles 90 Kamala's partile Natal Full Moon. Normally, an astrologer would look upon this important Saturn transit wired into her natal lights at this election time as a malefic transit symbolizing Kamala will not win her Party Presidential Candidate. We can certainly see with the two above important angular Solar Arc hits, Kamala's seeking public recognition for becoming President of the US. It will be interesting to track this Saturn transit for Kamala to see if Saturn fades Kamala with a solid defeat in the Democratic Primaries. I will re-visit this post when we know the outcome of the Democratic Primaries. If Kamala happens to win the Democratic Primaries, we are going to have to re-think what Saturn symbolism truly means for politicians winning elections.

[SteveS]

Just noticed when my Solar Arc Moon in my life was partile 180 my Natal Saturn, I lost my dear Mother.

[SteveS]

Freya's Solar Arc time frame: Inside Wheel Natal, outside Wheel Solar Arc Directions:
https://imgur.com/tPwJFpH

Freya, I will be using Noel Tyl's (RIP) teachings from his book Solar Arcs. Noel always uses the birthplace to direct solar arc angles.

1: The first thing I want you to clearly notice is your partile Natal Mercury has Solar Arced (outside wheel) to partile cnj your Natal Asc (inside wheel), which means this is a once in lifetime solar arc hit. Noel tells us:

Note: in predictive astrology, there is nothing more important than the angles of the natal horoscope. It is safe to say that nothing vitally important in life development occurs without angular contact. Angles are crucial.

So, we can clearly see your Natal Mercury partile 90 Natal Pluto is going to fire-off in your life. But we as astrologers using Solar Arcs don't exactly know the manner (benefic or malefic) this angular Solar Arc Mercury =Natal Asc 90 your Natal Pluto will manifest. We have to look for other clues to help us to maybe understand HOW this Solar Arc Natal Mercury partile cnj your Natal Asc will manifest. And we see your Natal Solar Arc Asc (outside wheel) partile 90 your Natal Jupiter (inside wheel). Very interesting which we will get to later, but we need to find acute astrological symbolism WHY your IVF failed!

2: Noel explains when we have an angular hit invoking Solar Arcs:

The background consideration of the angular arc is triggered often with extraordinary specificity---by accompanying transits (and, often, the Secondary Progressed Natal Moon.)

We will get to transits later but let us look at what is happening with your secondary progressed natal moon. BTW, this analysis tells me we are working with a very accurate birth time because of the partile Natal Mercury Solar Arc cnj your Natal Asc. Below is your Secondary Progressed Natal Chart.

Freya's Secondary Progressed Natal Chart:
https://imgur.com/MRJGh6L

Please note Freya: Your all important secondary progressed natal moon is partile 90 your progressed and natal Saturn! You would have to read Noel's Solar Arc book to clearly understand he would delineate your once in lifetime angular hit of Solar Arc Natal Mercury partile cnj Natal Asc, partile 90 Natal Pluto was at this time in your life tainted with a depressed Moon-Saturn 90 progression. Do you clearly see this? But understand our progressed natal moons move app 1. 1 degree per month—so your progressed natal moon is soon leaving partile 90 your progressed and natal Saturn. In other words this very depressing Moon-Saturn is soon coming to an end—but Freya its OK to feel depressed now because it certainly is time to feel depressed. Your angular Solar Arc Natal Mercury-Pluto 90 = Natal Asc is the stunning/shocking (Pluto) mental (Mercury) jolt of losing this IVF presidency. In other words: a stunning/shocking (Pluto)--depressing event (Moon-Saturn). If you don't clearly see this Jim will probably be able to explain in words better than I. But Freya with the new infusion of $ you can try IVF again if you so choose—but remember we astrologers can offer no guarantee of IVF success. If you try again with IVF in a couple months, we now know the progressed Natal Moon-Saturn is gone!!! More later and I have not looked at your new up-coming SSR. Maybe Jim can offer his take on your next SSR? For sure he is the forum's expert on SSR's--- he wrote the only SSR book I know .

[Freya]

I can see this Steve, thank you!!! I was thinking of trying again in May/ June the latest... but an analysis of the next SSR would be beneficial as it looks pretty malefic to me...

[SteveS]

Freya wrote:

I was thinking of trying again in May/ June the latest... but an analysis of the next SSR would be beneficial as it looks pretty malefic to me...

I just looked at your next SSR and agree it is set-up with some possible malefic cycles. Has any of your doctors told you any specific biological reasons for your individual reproduction system not being able to get pregnant the natural way?

Freya, I just now read your PM's and now understand what I need to understand, thanks.

[Freya]

Thank you Steve, unfortunately not.... my gut feeling is to avoid going into the next SSR for the very first stages of my pregnancy, which are the riskiest for ivf... unless it’s still safe for the first half?

[Jim Eshelman]

Thank you Steve, unfortunately not.... my gut feeling is to avoid going into the next SSR for the very first stages of my pregnancy, which are the riskiest for ivf... unless it’s still safe for the first half?

I agree with that precaution. There is a very high risk of loss of pregnancy under your next SSR with Moon-Saturn conjunction in Capricorn on the IC square natal Pluto and mundane square natal Moon. - Understanding that delays reduce the chance of things working out, the primary time I see coming up that shows chance of maternity (or, possibly, amazing romance) is the last half of 2022. (I haven't checked return charts, etc., I'm looking at larger life patterns.)

[SteveS]

Freya wrote:

my gut feeling is to avoid going into the next SSR for the very first stages of my pregnancy, which are the riskiest for ivf... unless it’s still safe for the first half?

Yes, I understand. If you have definitely made up your mind, I would want to endeavor to know as soon as possible my next IVF would be viable or not before my next SSR began. But the safest play astrologically would be to wait until your next SSR ends before trying for IVF success again. But I understand your reasoning for urgency with your age factor.

[Freya]

Steve, do you see any malefic symbolisms in the SLRs up to June? I haven’t spotted anything particularly malefic myself but I can get this wrong

[SteveS]

I definitely would avoid scheduling any important activity considering your June 2 SLR! I would not want to schedule another IVF soon with your June 2 SLR.

[Freya]

Steve, do you suggest doing this before June or selecting a better month in the next SSR?

[SteveS]

Bottom Line: I wait until the end of my 2020 SSR before another IVF procedure.

[Freya]

Steve do you mean the new SSR starting in 2020, is that right?

[Jim Eshelman]

Bottom Line: I wait until the end of my 2020 SSR before another IVF procedure.

Steve, are we looking at the same chart? I wouldn't recommend trying during the chart below, which is her upcoming (2020) SSR for Southampton.

Freya SSR 2020.jpg

[Freya]

That’s what I thought... it looks ominous

[Jim Eshelman]

Let's do a full breakout: SSR July 6, 2020, 2:19:01 PM BST, Southampton, UK

t Moon on IC -1°35'
t Pluto sq. Asc -0°21' [on IC +7°40']
------------------------------
-- t Ju/Pl sq. Asc +0°01'
-- t Mo/Sa on IC +0°04'
t Jupiter sq. Asc +0°38' [on IC +8°34']
r Pluto sq. MC +1°17' [on Asc +3°18']
t Saturn on IC 1°33'
r Mercury on MC +1°50'
r Moon on Asc +4°21'

-- t Saturn op. r Mercury 0°03'
-- -- -- t Saturn sq. r Pluto 0°08'
-- -- -- r Mercury-Pluto sq. 0°11'
-- t Neptune sq. r Neptune 0°28' in mundo
-- t Jupiter-Pluto conj. 0°38'
-- r Moon-Pluto conj. 1°03' in mundo
-- t Saturn sq. r Moon 1°48' in mundo
-- t Moon sq. r Mercury 1°56'
-- t Moon-Saturn conj. 2°04'
-- t Moon op. r Mercury 2°06'
-- t Jupiter sq. r Moon 2°28'
-- r Moon-Mercury sq. 2°31' in mundo
-- t Pluto sq. r Moon 3°06'
-- t Pluto sq, r Moon 3°19' in mundo
-- t Pluto sq. r Pluto 4°22' in mundo


Other partile
t Uranus op. r Saturn 0°12'
t Uranus op. r Saturn 0°54' in mundo
t Mercury op. r Jupiter 0°55'

[SteveS]

When I see the June 2 SLR combined with the 2020 SSR, I think it would be foolish to schedule another IVF now. By what I understand about the timing process for IVF, I don't see enough of a safe time window for the processes of an IVF being successful with high probability.

[Freya]

Let's do a full breakout: SSR July 6, 2020, 2:19:01 PM BST, Southampton, UK

t Moon on IC -1°35'
t Pluto sq. Asc -0°21' [on IC +7°40']
------------------------------
-- t Ju/Pl sq. Asc +0°01'
-- t Mo/Sa on IC +0°04'
t Jupiter sq. Asc +0°38' [on IC +8°34']
r Pluto sq. MC +1°17' [on Asc +3°18']
t Saturn on IC 1°33'
r Mercury on MC +1°50'
r Moon on Asc +4°21'

-- t Saturn op. r Mercury 0°03'
-- -- -- t Saturn sq. r Pluto 0°08'
-- -- -- r Mercury-Pluto sq. 0°11'
-- t Neptune sq. r Neptune 0°28' in mundo
-- t Jupiter-Pluto conj. 0°38'
-- r Moon-Pluto conj. 1°03' in mundo
-- t Saturn sq. r Moon 1°48' in mundo
-- t Moon sq. r Mercury 1°56'
-- t Moon-Saturn conj. 2°04'
-- t Moon op. r Mercury 2°06'
-- t Jupiter sq. r Moon 2°28'
-- r Moon-Mercury sq. 2°31' in mundo
-- t Pluto sq. r Moon 3°06'
-- t Pluto sq, r Moon 3°19' in mundo
-- t Pluto sq. r Pluto 4°22' in mundo


Other partile
t Uranus op. r Saturn 0°12'
t Uranus op. r Saturn 0°54' in mundo
t Mercury op. r Jupiter 0°55'

It doesn’t look good. Is it indicative of death in any way? Of someone close or myself?

[Jim Eshelman]

It's pretty bad for maternity. That Moon-Saturn alone...

[Freya]

Would going to Athens or Florence on my birthday make this SSR any better?

[Jim Eshelman]

Would going to Athens or Florence on my birthday make this SSR any better?

Any location has SSR Moon conjunct Saturn 2°02' and square natal Pluto 1°55', also playing up transiting Saturn's square to natal Pluto 0°08'. It would take heroically great angles to overcome this, especially for the specific goal of being a mother (although it works very well for other things such as hard work and taking stock of oneself).

Florence puts natal Mars exactly square Midheaven and emphasizes Uranus' exact opposition (11') to your Saturn. (Besides, how safe is it right now?) I think in the best case it would be family conflict

Athens has nothing super-close to the angles, though natal Mars is strongest.

Based on the chart, I think this upcoming SSR is not a year when matters of maternity will go well.

But the last half of 2022, when you have the once-in-a-lifetime Solar Arc direction of your natal Moon-Venus square to your natal MC, you have a Solar Return with Venus rising across much of middle Europe - easy to find a place to celebrate that birthday.

[Freya]

Thank you Jim, I see... there’s no way of avoiding it.
I am thinking of a solution as this has the potential yo throw me into a deep depression.

I have another treatment to use before Jan 2021 which I have paid for already as part of the package. If I don’t use it I lose the money which is considerable.

If I went back for another treatment before this SSR kicks in and froze the embryos until 2022 at least I would have stopped my biological clock now.

It’s the only solution I see...

[Arena]

I have another treatment to use before Jan 2021 which I have paid for already as part of the package. If I don’t use it I lose the money which is considerable.

If I went back for another treatment before this SSR kicks in and froze the embryos until 2022 at least I would have stopped my biological clock now.

It’s the only solution I see...

I'm sorry to bring this to your attention once again, I know I've said it before, but I do think the question is crucial to this process.

I know you want a baby, you want to become a mother. But I also want to ask you if you if you really want to become a mother with the husband that is threatening to divorce you in the middle of these trials? If you could choose, would you not rather bring a child into the world in a loving and supportive relationship?

The 35 limit is a statistic. I understand that you think of it, but it seems like you are letting it control your mind. Lots of women are fine to have children until 45, even with ivf. I had my two younger ones when I was 36-38. Even though I am divorced/separated from their father now I must tell you that it is a lot of work to have a little baby and it is extremely important to have loving support to share the workload and responsibilities for the first decade of their lives. I had that and am so grateful for that time. After the first decade it's different, they become more self sufficient and your role changes.

Like we have pointed out, already next two years have much better prospects astrologically.
Your next 2021 SSR has Jupiter conjunct your n. DSC and your n. Jupiter on ASC. And then there is the SSR Moon conjunct the Node which I believe is of importance. It's exciting since it has your n. Uranus opposing it - but it also seems like an important change. But there is also that Venus-Saturn-Uranus with your n. Saturn involved which looks like hardship in your relationship.

You may not want to wait at all even though we are saying the things we are saying. But is there any way that you could manage to negotiate with the clinic to wait a while before using your paid package? Just get extended time on that? Also there is another option, you don't have to freeze embryos, you can also just freeze your own eggs or ask for both? I say this because it seems like there are relationship issues, even possibly an upcoming divorce that you can not avoid dealing with before becoming a mother.

[Freya]

Please understand Arena that I am dealing with a major loss. I really don’t need a lecture right now. I am trying to be positive and find solutions. I do love my husband who is also grieving at the moment and he’s got no support network. He is getting a lot better. I don’t want to leave my husband and it really doesn’t help me to make me worry about a divorce. Yes I do want children with him. The 35 age “limit” isn’t a limit as such, but an indication based on my medical history. I am trying to get through my pain as best as I can right now and to be honest don’t need to feel more hopeless

[Arena]

I do totally understand that you're dealing with a loss Freya. That is why we are all coming to your aid, trying to help you get through it all. I am, as well as others in here, trying to give you hope - showing upcoming astrological energies in your favour. Please understand that I was not giving you a lecture at all. You may possibly see it differently when looking back on it in a couple of weeks/months. I was simply sharing an experience as a mother of three children in the light of what you yourself stated in the forum that your husband had threatened divorce. I totally understand and support you in still wanting to give your relationship/marriage a chance and be together into the future and having a baby. It just sounded pretty serious when you stated that he wanted a divorce. Please understand that we all care for you and are hoping the best for you.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Freya, in a very emotional state, had a fight with her husband, also in a very emotional state, both of them in the middle of a miscarriage. It's possible to have an argument, even several, and even to disagree over what to do next, without requiring a divorce.

I know both you girls have been through it with men you thought you were in a loving relationship with and I'm so sorry that happened to you.

[Freya]

Jupiter you are right in what you are saying. We had an argument after a traumatic event. Since then, things have changed. We are now determined to see this through, together. It’s not going to be easy, but we love each other and we have been through hell, emotionally and financially.

Yes I agree that having a child with the wrong person is not a good idea, hence I waited so long. On the other hand you wouldn’t wish your child dead just because he or she is related to an ex partner?

I feel saddened that some of you have decreed that my marriage is going to be over based on recent events and a malefic SSR.

I have been through a horrible divorce in 2015. I am not going through another one again. I love my husband

[Veronica]

And he obviously loves you like crazy.
Hold tight to each other and nurture that love!!

Bob Ross said
"There are no mistakes
Only happy little accidents"

I know of hundreds of women who have babes from men they do not relate well too. Not one thinks their child came from or is a mistake. They all see their child as the biggest blessing and source of strength.

Freya, you are blessed with a man who has risen above normal and was open and receptive and supportive to your dream of motherhood. That is a diamond in the rough!!

I am so happy to hear that you two are back on the same page, looking forward and holding tight to each other.
Hearing that was like havibg the sun break through the clouds and chase them away. Thank you

[SteveS]

Veronica, I was reviewing this thread and just noticed you asked me a question which I did not answer.
V wrote and asked:

Steve, Did you know about SA back then or just following your bliss?

Veronica, I was not acutely aware of Solar Arcs in the Autumn of 1987 when I experienced my Solar Arc MC conjunct my Natal Neptune, which timed my life's dream coming true by becoming an independent Theater owner; therefore, just following my 'bliss' or 'fate' coming from the mathematical laws of nature with Solar Arcs in my Natal Chart.

But now Veronica, with me acutely aware of what I am living under with my individualized personal Solar Arcs, there is no doubt in my mind Solar Arcs are the most important astrological enlightenment ever encountered in my astrological life relative to my immediate environment/life. Beginning when I started this thread on Solar Arcs, here are the main Solar Arcs firing off in my life now:

Solar Arc Mercury = Natal Uranus (180) exact Nov 17 2019; Solar Arc Mercury = Natal Sun (90) exact Aug 6 2020.

What is actually happening now in my astrological life beginning with this thread: Solar Arc Mercury is firing-off the most important aspect in my Natal Chart: Natal Sun partile 90 Natal Uranus, a 'potential' natal paran with a rising Sun and culminating Uranus. This Mercury Solar Arc is also allowing me to see the main mundane manifestations occurring in this Country relative to the Boyd Chart with Solar ARCS. This Solar Arc Mercury now is truly acting as an individualized astrological enlightenment (Mercury, the Messenger) cycle for my life pertaining to Solar Arcs.

[Veronica]

Good!
Because I would very much like you to use that influence now and keep exploring and discovering and sharing so that in another 90 years the world will have the foreknowledge of these powerful aspects at work so the currents could be used for the best.

[SteveS]

Will do V!

[SteveS]

Cyril Fagan pertaining to the planet Pluto related to Mundane Astrology:

Pluto is the Planet of crises, it acts with dramatic decisiveness, leaving the status quo irrevocably altered, if not shattered.

Below is a bi-wheel for USA's Boyd Natal Chart Chart (Inside Wheel), a very important USA Chart. *Note Boyd's Solar Arc Pluto partile conjunct Boyd's Natal Ascendant (Outside Wheel), the first time in USA's Boyd's history this angular Ascendant Pluto contact has occurred!

Boyd's Natal Chart Inside Wheel; Boyd's Solar Arc Chart Outside Wheel.
https://imgur.com/BRV0knb

Our Country is in Crises (Pluto) mode, and this is astrological reality proven by Solar Arcs with the Boyd Natal Chart for this Country!

[Jim Eshelman]

Note Boyd's Solar Arc Pluto partile conjunct Boyd's Natal Ascendant (Outside Wheel), the first time in USA's Boyd's history this angular Ascendant Pluto contact has occurred!

First time to Ascendant, true. But another contact that surely would be equally important was Solar Arc Pluto conjunct natal Midheaven, which was January 1932 (plus-minus a year, of course). This occurred during a difficult time, though it's a couple of years past the most concentrated hardship.

Pluto also directed to the Boyd chart's Descendant In November 1841.

While Pluto conjunct natal Ascendant speaks very eloquently about how the present time feels for this nation, I think - to filter this from other possible causes - you need to show a connection to events within a year of January 1932 and November 1841.

[Veronica]

1841 malaria outbreak in USA?

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

First time to Ascendant, true. But another contact that surely would be equally important was Solar Arc Pluto conjunct natal Midheaven, which was January 1932 (plus-minus a year, of course).This occurred during a difficult time, though it's a couple of years past the most concentrated hardship.
Pluto also directed to the Boyd chart's Descendant In November 1841.

1932--the worst of the employment figures for Great Depression 1929-1932. 1841--the first bad Depression for USA in its history--the worst part (1841) of the Depression of the 1840s. Simply put: Solar Arc Pluto to Boyd's angles are timing the worst times of USA Depressions, also tracking 90 year cycles in the NYSE---1840s, 1930s, 2020s(?). 2020s may be short lived (hope so) with Federal Reserve in place and not being in place in 1840s & 1930s, which I will eventually post my thoughts on later. IMO, I think we will be looking at a complete new re-set of the US$ probably backed by gold at a very high $ price---that is if the largest hoard of gold in the world is still in Fort Knox. The Country who has the gold-- Rules. If Gold is gone--USA becomes third world country .

[Jim Eshelman]

Interesting that both of these fall in the long aftermath. Tough times after the more identifiable point-event. Of course, 1932 was a couple if years after the market crash. 1841 was event farther: the crash at that point was the Panic of 1837, which hit in the sprint, more than four years before the Pluto direction, but the resulting depression lasted seven years.

I think the timing is fuzzy but you are right - especially if you think in economic terms - these both occurred in the middle of very hard times.

[Veronica]

1841 aldo saw 3 USA Presidents.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

I think the timing is fuzzy but you are right - especially if you think in economic terms - these both occurred in the middle of very hard times.

I can't help it Jim--I have been conditioned to think in economic terms. For example: My mind tells me specifically what I think this Jupiter/Pluto conjunction is doing pertaining to DC: IMO, it is expanding (Jupiter) Federal Reserve paper $ in a massive/dramatic manner (Pluto), because of what this Pandemic is doing to the Country economically. Because of this Jupiter-Pluto reaction by the Federal Reserve, I think the gold market is getting ready to explode, but only time knows for sure.

[SteveS]

Since I began and have been writing this topic on Solar Arc Directions, I have been under the influence of my natal Solar Arc Mercury = n. Sun & Uranus, using partile 0,90,180 aspects. Reflecting and FWIW, here are my main observations which I now accept as a personal (Sun) discovered (Uranus) learning (Mercury) truths for my individual (Sun) being, relative to my life interests in Astrology.

1: Solar Arc Directing is a most important astrological system. Every serious astrologer should learn how to function Solar Arc Directing with their astrological computer programs to be implemented with their chart analysis for possibly timing important life events.

2: Using the Solar Arc system proves to me the Boyd Chart is a very important chart for timing major events in the history of America. I now believe because Solar Arc Directing has not been a part of mainstream astrological systems, much acute/important timing frames with important charts have been overlooked with serious astrologers. Helen Boyd and Brigadier R.C. Firebrace, C.C.E. (RIP) both believed with their written work in Helen's book “The True Horoscope of the United States”, the Boyd Chart was America's 'True Horoscope' and both were not using Solar Arc Directing with the Boyd Chart. Later, I will offer a list of important events in America with the Boyd Chart using Solar Arc Directing.

3: The NYSE (New York Stock Exchange) McWhirter Chart is an accurate timed chart.

4: As of now, by far the best written material I have studied for Solar Arc Directing is Noel Tyl's (RIP) book, "Solar Arcs", Astrology's Most Successful Predicting System.

[SteveS]

Federal Reserve A Rated Birth Chart: https://imgur.com/k4lcuxE
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bu ... al_Reserve

Angular Natal Signatures:
Sun 180 Pluto on East Point-West Point axis 90 MC
Mars 1,01 conjunct Asc.
Mercury partile 180 Saturn

A most interesting Solar Arc situation in these unprecedented times for the Federal Reserve:

Bi-wheel (Inside Natal); Solar Arc (Outside Wheel)
https://imgur.com/1UN68tj

***Note:
Solar Arc Pluto partile 90 ASC (A very rare lifetime angular hit)
Solar Arc Sun partile 90 ASC ''
Solar Arc Mercury partile 180 Saturn on Natal MC/IC Axis (A very rare lifetime angular hit)
Secondary Progressed Natal Moon partile 90 Natal & Progressed Pluto

[SteveS]

On the night (10:10 PM) of a Full Moon (Taurus) in Brownsville, Tennessee (35N35;89W15) Nov 26, 1939 (AA rated), the Universe Conspired to Create a Dynamo of Energy (Sun partile 90 Mars) of a Beautiful Feminine Soul named Anna Mae Bullock, Stage Name: Tina Turner (The Queen of Rock & Roll).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tina_Turner

For one of her 50th Birthday presents, my wife (the main soul of my life) bought two tickets for a live performance by Tina, an event I will never forget for my entire Rock & Roll life. Of all the live musical concerts I have attended, never have I been moved so much by a feminine musical artist with her written songs (Moon partile 180 Mercury) of such powerful personal energy/movement (Moon-Sun-Mars T-Square).

Jim Eshelman, the host of this forum once wrote:

Partile aspects reign supreme.

Stop for a moment and just take a view of Tina's Natal Chart marked full of partile aspects:
Tina's Natal: https://imgur.com/dL8oqS4

Tina's Venus (Love) partile 90 Neptune, partile 120 Saturn was the pain aspect of her life—she was physically abused by her husband Ike Turner for a few years. “No pain-no gain”; I think Tina wrote her best music from this Love Pain aspect set in her soul on that Full Moon night for her birth. That pain started its mathematical marriage ending process when her Solar Arc Ascendant moved to partile conjunct orb of her Natal Neptune, partile 90 her Natal Venus on July 1st 1976 with a violent altercation with her husband Ike (“Timing is Everything”). This very painful divorce process went on from July 1st 1976 to 1978 when her Solar Arc Saturn partile 180 her Natal Sun, timing the final legal divorce. Other important Solar Arcs going on at this time frame in Tina's life: d Neptune 90 r Pluto; d Venus 180 r Pluto.

Inside Wheel Natal Chart; Outside Wheel Solar Arc:
https://imgur.com/4cWafiM

Pay very close attention to your important Natal Aspects Solar Arcing involving 0,90,180 with Natal Angles. These will TIME (benefic or malefic) very important “life-developments” in your life. Simply put: O,90,180 Partile Solar Arcs involving Natal Angles with our important Natal Planet Aspects time very important events in our lives. Understanding that: Solar Arcs are mathematical timing laws of Nature.

[Arena]

Venus-Neptune is about romance, creativity, imagination and arts.
Saturn is inhibiting but it is MARS that is both active, strong but sometimes violent.

The Sun-Moon opposition with Mars as the midpoint would rather be the the violence.
They probably also had great passion to begin with, probably high sexual energy ... but then we know that Mars can turn violent.

[SteveS]

Arena wrote:

The Sun-Moon opposition with Mars as the midpoint would rather be the the violence.

Indeed! She went through some very violent periods in her life. We see both the negative and positive of this aspect exemplified in her life. Many times with aspects in a Natal we see both the positive & negative manifestations reflected in life.