Mars crosses the last Jupiter-Saturn conjunction

[Jim Eshelman]

Today, Mars (at the degree of its exaltation in a demonstrably Mars-heavy part of space) squares 27°59' Aries, the longitude of the last Jupiter-Saturn conjunction which occurred in 2000.

One long-standing theory in mundane astrology is that major planet conjunctions remain active for the entire course of their cycle until the next such conjunction, and are subject to transit. In the case of Jupiter-Saturn, that means for about 20 years. (The next conjunction is next December.) The theory continues that the expression of the transit matches the nature of the planets and usually signals development of circumstances that began about the time of the original conjunction.

I'm testing these at present to see if we can find anything confirming (or otherwise) the theory. A list of all ten of these major planet conjunctions is here:
https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=3917

So... if this is a valid technique... what should we expect? Its effects are not limited to one part of the world. We would expect that while this transit is in orb (say, two or three days either side of today) we would see a distinctive crisis in matters pertaining to the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction (for example, matters of economic structure or governmental structure; but not limited to these); or, if not a crisis, then it should at least clearly express Mars to Jupiter-Saturn. It should be noteworthy, not a flitting event in an obscure corner of the world. It would be an even better confirmation if it was an "event" in the life-cycle of matters that began around May, 2000.

[Jim Eshelman]

What events do know about in spring 2000 that might possibly connect to this?

It was early in the 2000 presidential election cycle, but not especially geared up yet. The economy had been sailing for most of a decade during the Clinton administration but was starting to falter just a bit in the prior year (though still going strong). The federal budget had produced a surplus instead of deficit for two years, something not seen in decades.

The DOJ had brought its years-long antitrust suit against Microsoft to a head and, on April 3, MS was ruled to have violated antitrust laws. The Elian Gonzalez drama was unfolding (though I'm not sure how that themes to the Jupiter-Saturn cycle).

In a ridiculous (and probably irrelevant) parallel to current conditions, a significant computer virus (called the Love Bug virus) escaped the Philippines and rapidly spread throughout the world. If you can see a connection of this to the Jupiter-Saturn cycle, please let me know, though I think it's more of a coincidence.

India's population crossed the 1 billion mark in May. Several moderate-to-strong earthquakes hit over the period of a month or two.

One of the most important occurrences of the time was that the Human Genome Project announced its preliminary draft of the human genome on June 25. This was extraordinarily important and the gateway to everything that's unfolded on genetic research in the 21st century.

I don't find any large events particularly themed either to economics, politics, or longstanding institutions (except perhaps the antitrust conviction, experienced at the time as an assault on America's largest corporate institution).

[Jim Eshelman]

Ebertin's summary of Mars to Jupiter/Saturn is quite interesting - independent of what happened in 2000 - as an expression of what's happening right now. I don't know that we can mark it as centered on today's transit in particular, though. Here it is, with my emphasis in bold. (Most of the meanings have to do with the inconsistency of Mars being affected by the polar opposites of Jupiter and Saturn. We're actually looking more for the traits that show Mars affecting Jupiter-Saturn, not Jupiter-Saturn affecting Mars.)

A lack of endurance or tenaciousness, discontent, an inconstant will. The desire to enforce a change of circumstances and conditions in life, the act of separation.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

The theory continues that the expression of the transit matches the nature of the planets and usually signals development of circumstances that began about the time of the original conjunction. ….we would see a distinctive crisis in matters pertaining to the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction (for example, matters of economic structure or governmental structure; but not limited to these)....I don't find any large events particularly themed either to economics, politics, or longstanding institutions (except perhaps the antitrust conviction, experienced at the time as an assault on America's largest corporate institution).

I have always had a bias that Jupiter-Saturn had a lot to do with fortunate (Jupiter) economic structures (Saturn) with long standing major companies, which I see rapidly unwinding their long term economic conditions because of this drastic economic downturn due to the pandemic. I think this Mars transit you are discussing may have something to do with what is happening to longstanding Jupiter-Saturn companies but will not be clearly seen until after the next Jupiter-Saturn Dec 21 2020, for sure—Mars is showing action.

I note this next Jupiter-Saturn conjunction partiles conjunct Natal Pluto in the Hazelrigg-George US Chart at 5 Cap. I think what we see now with a drastic transformative Federal Reserve Policy may be setting things up in the near future for a complete overhaul of economic systems and other cultural systems, maybe timed when t. Pluto partile conjuncts the Dec 21 2020 Jupiter-Saturn conjunction at 5,27 Cap, which just so happens to be the US first Pluto Return in history. We may be looking at some kind of major economic re-set with this Pluto transit. Obviously, we are in the mists of major economic shifts with this Pandemic.

[Jim Eshelman]

The immediate question is whether today's transit is having an effect now, today, when the transit occurs.

Obviously there will be other effects from the new conjunction itself. The question I am exploring is whether (as long alleged) there are ten sensitive degrees at any given time (the most recent event of each outer planet conjunction - even the 1892 Neptune-Pluto conjunction) that are subject to transit for the life of the cycle.

I agree with you on symbolism. Is something like this happening today (or in the last couple of days or the next couple of days) that wasn't happening a week ago?

[SteveS]

I don't really know Jim--my best guess is the drastic action (Mars) the Federal Reserve is taking NOW and recommending Congress and the Prez catch-up too with more Stimulus Packages for the People.

[Jim Eshelman]

I don't really know Jim--my best guess is the drastic action (Mars) the Federal Reserve is taking NOW and recommending Congress and the Prez catch-up too with more Stimulus Packages for the People.

Did this happen yesterday? I've lost track. If so, then I agree, it's exactly on target!

We'll have a good check-date coming up - a sharp contrast that might have some panic elements (???). On Monday May 4), transiting Mars conjoins the last Jupiter-Neptune conjunction, which occurred in December 2009 at 29°25' Capricorn.

[SteveS]

Jim asked:

Did this happen yesterday?

Powell (Head of Federal Reserve) spoke publically for about 40 minutes, I think Thursday. Other State heads of the Federal Reserve spoke yesterday, all urging Congress & Prez quickly pass more Stimulus Packages. All I know for sure--we will soon see the worst economic numbers we have seen in history for 1 quarter. The Federal Reserve sees many danger signals. Never in my wildest economic dreams did I ever think I would hear in my lifetime the Federal Reserve sounding the economic warning bells for the future as they are NOW sounding with their statement words in public. Bottom line: I see the Federal Reserve now sounding certain economic concern which imo dittos the future possible malefic Mundane Astrology we have been eyeballing.

[Jim Eshelman]

Even though it was a couple of days out - wider orb than I'd like - I think you've nailed the process.

I'm just starting to seriously look into these last-conjunction points after knowing about them for 40 years or so. (I didn't have computer resources to do it easily in the beginning, and have been involved in looking at other mundane methods since I've had sufficient computer resources.) That means that IF they are, indeed, valid then I still don't have a feel for them. But IF they are valid, I know in principle what they should look like. The Fed raising this alarm - the literal sense of urgency I mentioned - seems to me quite fitting for Mars in Capricorn square the last Jupiter-Saturn conjunction point.

If these ARE valid, the next question is how far can we take it. My thoughts of the moment: If these are valid, it's because the conjunction chart is a valid natal type chart. In the lingo, it's "radical," capable of being a root or starting point. That suggests that more details of a manifestation could be shown (thinking aloud on this) by other transits (or even progressions) of the conjunction chart at the time of a transit.

Jupiter last conjoined Saturn May 28, 2000, 12:03:35 PM EDT when, in Washington, DC the conjunction was on Midheaven and - within bounds of accuracy of Solar Fire - the MC was 28°01' Aries. The one other transit occurring to the conjunction chart is transiting Uranus today 14' from square its Neptune. I don't know what a Uranus transit to Neptune might mean in the context of the unfolding of the economic cycles that began in May 2000 and being brought into alarm mode today, but there it is. (One might think it means, "enough of the {bs}!" - but I might be too hopeful on that.)

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

I don't know what a Uranus transit to Neptune might mean in the context of the unfolding of the economic cycles that began in May 2000 and being brought into alarm mode today, but there it is. (One might think it means, "enough of the {bs}!" - but I might be too hopeful on that.)

I understand where you are coming from Jim. To borrow from Ebertin's work (COSI), and put it into context with what I see the Federal Reserve doing economically, and maybe soon--more from the Politicians, I think Uranus transit to Neptune has something to do with "Extraordinary and unusual thinking" from the Federal Reserve and Politicians---The Pandemic Virus effects are forcing these economic response issues onto the branches of the government.

[Veronica]

https://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/ib/ ... 1200to.htm

Jim,
As you stated this was a global event, I am inclinded to think that this article published by the IMF which seems to indicate a strong push in 2000 towards Globalization of "the" economy demonstrates the Mars Saturn Jupiter.

I agree with the info about the FedRes but IMO that is not strictly global but dealing with USA. Where as actions by the IMf and similiar "CORPORATIONS" dig a bit deeper.

[Jim Eshelman]

Thanks, Veronica. I think you're right that there is greater globalization unfolding and we'll likely see greater movement in this direction with the new Jupiter-Saturn conjunction at the end of the year.

What I'm looking for at the moment, though, is a specific event happening yesterday or within a couple of days of yesterday because of the Mars transit. Are you aware of a specific action/event in the last couple of days that fits this theme? It's the Mars transit I'm trying to confirm or dismiss.

[Veronica]

https://www.investopedia.com/5-takeaway ... ng-4843875

Big wig meeting?

[Jim Eshelman]

https://www.investopedia.com/5-takeaway ... ng-4843875

Big wig meeting?

That's right, the Berkshire meeting and Buffet's - combined with the Fed action Steve cited - do seem to show a possible impact of Mars on the current Jupiter-Saturn point within the U.S.

Since I'm not used to looking at these, I'm not sure what they should feel like, but this does seem consistent with what I would imagine we would see.

Tomorrow, Mars reaches the most recent Jupiter-Neptune conjunction's location. This will give us something to contrast.