No Transiting Planets Angular in SSR

[Lance]

In the case of a current SSR in which there are no angular transiting planets, I have several questions:

1. Am I remembering correctly that the angular transiting planets from the previous SSR are said to remain in effect for the current SSR?

2. If this is correct, do I use anything at all from the current SSR? Angular Natal Planets? Moon aspects? Or do I completely refer to the previous SSR for all factors?

Thanks.

[SteveS]

Lance, where were you located when your 2019 SSR occurred?

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

1. Am I remembering correctly that the angular transiting planets from the previous SSR are said to remain in effect for the current SSR?

That's for mundane ingresses. I can't find a specific reference but I think either its not true of SSRs (for people) or the jury is still out. If it were true, I think the Sun, Moon and close aspects would still be effective.

[Lance]

JSAD: Hmm.

Steve: It’s for this person’s chart.

Male S
28 March 1974
7:15 AM
Lufkin, TX

SSR location: Tyler, TX

The 2019 SSR versus 2020 SSR

[Danica]

I would consider tr Ju as angular in this chart (sq MC 2*42'), and to a certain degree Pl too, being so closely interlocked with tr Ju.
His natal planets ang., in order of orb, are:
r Sa on DC 4*26'
r Pl on MC 7*21'
r Ur on MC 7*43'

If there're no tr nor rx planets angular, first thing to do is look at the Moon - its dynamic aspects (with tr planets) are so strong that you can't miss it regardless of what's angular, and the Luna's aspect become the focal point in cases when no angularity.

His SSR Moon is conj t Ve; applying, 3*17' - we may expect an event of Venus nature (as Ve-coming-from-his-environment/outside, i.e. tr Ve, not nat.) to take place during the fourth month of the solar year.

In case there are no Moon aspects and no angularity, tr or rx, I'd look at the:
- exact tr to rx
- what the SSR chart as a whole has to say, what's the key-theme of this chart on ts own; I'd consider this a general picture for the tone of the year, with the exact outer tr to rx being the focal themes. (Also, would look into what sec. prog. and Sol. Arc have to say for the time, with more attention to it than would be otherwise given if the SSR has to say more)

[Jim Eshelman]

1. Am I remembering correctly that the angular transiting planets from the previous SSR are said to remain in effect for the current SSR?

No, it's gone. (Even in the case of solar ingresses, each only has a one-year lifespan.)

2. If this is correct, do I use anything at all from the current SSR? Angular Natal Planets? Moon aspects? Or do I completely refer to the previous SSR for all factors?

You still have Moon aspects, the natal planets that are foreground, and all partile aspects (within the SSR, and of the SSR to the natal - both ecliptical and mundane).

[Jim Eshelman]

As for this exact example, I agree with Danica: There's stuff happening here! - I disagree with her on particulars: I don't consider Jupiter angular at all. It's 17° below the horizon, more than 2° from the square to MC which I take as a sharp cut-off, farther than that from Eastpoint.

But, as she said, Moon conjoins Venus (and the aspect will progress to exact), and it squares natal Venus even closer (1°04'). Danica gave you the distances of natal planets from angles so I don't have to calculate those, with natal Saturn closest and natal Uranus and Pluto 7° on opposite sides of MC - so that Uranus/Pluto midpoint is on MC within a few minutes.

Furthermore, partile aspects are always going to have a voice, even as "background" or "backdrop" conditions. In this chart, transiting Jupiter and Pluto are conjunct 0°52' and - much stronger! - transiting Uranus-Pluto are square within 0°03 in mundo. (That's two very strong Uranus-Pluto expressions.) Transiting Mercury squares natal Mercury (0°05') and squares natal Neptune (0°33'). - I haven't checked for mundane partile transits.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

I found this: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1784&p=11526 where Jim explains his ideas on "dormant" charts for people after Steve used the term in discussing someone's SSR.

That's all I can find on it. NOt that there isn't more, just not that I can find.

Jim, do you have time to address Lance's first question on dormancy in non-mundane-ingress charts?

[Jim Eshelman]

Jim, do you have time to address Lance's first question on dormancy in non-mundane-ingress charts?

Sorry, thought I had.

No such thing. And, in any case, dormancy in ingresses only allows flow-through within the lifespan of the particular chart. For example, all solar ingresses have a one-year life, so if a Libsolar is dormant, the prior Cansolar will flow through as the "acting" quarter chart because we'restill within 12 months of when the Cansolar occurred. But if all four solar ingresses are dormant, you don't flow back to one from before them.

With a solar return, even if dormancy and flow-through operated in personal charts (they don't), it wouldn't matter because the prior solar return times out after 12 months.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Thanks. bookmarked.

[Jim Eshelman]

Coming back two years later...

Lance, this is now a great example of the value of Mike's TMSA software. We now have a tool that makes these once-obscure calculations available for everyone at a glance. Everything we discussed above is calculated for you. Here is your friend's 2020 SSR from TMSA (scroll within the green to see the natal foreground planets marked and then the aspect tables):

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Mo 25Ar43'39" 03S22 +12°02'  49°14' 14N41 324°19' -35°07' 129°41'  25%  
Su 13Pi03'24" 00S00 +59'21"   7°25' 03N12  20°26' -52°36'  75°03'  50%  
Me 15Aq42'19" 01S48 + 1°10' 342°54' 09S13  64°02' -48°54'  51°54'   4%  
Ve 29Ar00'06" 03N19 +57'40"  50°46' 21N59 327°09' -28°04' 135°30'  14%  
Ma 03Cp13'51" 00S54 +41'42" 300°33' 21S23 103°11' -20°05'  20°35'  58%  
Ju 28Sg54'11" 00S03 + 7'58" 295°49' 21S23 105°23' -16°12'  16°47'  80% 
Sa 05Cp25'03" 00S03 + 4'01" 302°39' 20S07 100°59' -21°13'  21°35'  56%  
Ur 09Ar56'54" 00S27 + 3'10"  32°50' 12N45 342°16' -43°10' 107°59'  62%  
Ne 24Aq07'04" 01S01 + 2'11" 350°25' 05S14  51°28' -51°31'  58°07'   0%  
Pl 29Sg46'35" 00S48 + 0'49" 296°53' 21S57 105°24' -17°21'  17°58'  62%  
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            Radical Planets                             
Mo 10Ta00'25" 01N33 +13°42'  62°47' 22N40 317°25' -21°17' 150°04'   0%  
Su 13Pi03'24" 00S00 + 0°59'   7°25' 03N12  20°26' -52°36'  75°03'  50%  
Me 15Aq47'33" 01S49 + 1°11' 342°59' 09S12  63°56' -48°58'  51°59'   4%  
Ve 26Cp49'28" 01N57 + 0°56' 323°34' 12S23  82°15' -35°05'  35°20'  32%  
Ma 22Ta09'36" 01N35 + 0°35'  75°54' 24N23 309°19' -11°56' 164°43'  49%  
Ju 10Aq11'20" 00S50 + 0°13' 337°21' 10S23  70°19' -45°17'  47°01'  11%  
Sa 04Ge09'12" 00S47 + 0°03'  89°06' 22N39 300°00' - 3°54' 175°30'  95% F
Ur 02Li08'43" 00N37 - 0°02' 205°26' 09S54 171°36' +47°24' 277°39'  85% F
Ne 15Sc09'31" 01N37 - 0'32" 248°48' 20S23 131°17' +19°23' 334°54'   6%  
Pl 11Vi01'58" 17N10 - 0°02' 192°27' 13N21 200°50' +69°53' 262°35'  86% F
------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Class 1 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects                          
tMo sq rVe 01°06' 98%   tMa co tSa 01°00' 98% M                         
----------------------  tJu co tPl 00°52' 99%                           
rSa sq rPl 02°56' 84% M tUr sq tPl 00°02'100% M                         
                         ----------------------                         
                        tMe co rMe 00°05'100% M                         
                        tMe sq rNe 00°33' 99%                           
                         ----------------------                         
                        rSu sq rMa 00°20'100% M 

How did the year turn out?

[Lance]

How did the year turn out?

I don’t actually keep up with this guy very much.

I do remember warning him about a t. Saturn - r. Uranus transit, which I found out later he handled amazingly, having sat down and made a 5-year plan on the day it was precise after forgetting all about the transit. I decided he was too perfect to work with, and I dumped him.

Just kidding. But I was jealous.