Sagittarius (the centaur?) - Egyptian origins

[Soft Alpaca]

Perhaps just not looking in the right places but where is the connection to the centuar in this sign in Egyptian mythology/astrology? Everywhere I look it seems Greece is credited with this imagery.

Did the Egyptians even have such a beast (now I know chimeras of sorts were heavily present in Egyptian mythology). Even so why the horse? Why not another animal?
If astrology was born in Egypt rather than Mespotmia they didn't have horses surely before they started a zodiac...if it wasn't surely the Egyptians adopted the symbol but what was it then prior...

[Jim Eshelman]

Yes, the idea of a centaur originated in Greece. The root idea if the sugn was of military advancing across the land at a time to the Nile was at its lowest level. Remember, the original name of the constellation was not the Centaur but the Arroe. Most of the symbolism comes from the arrow.

[Soft Alpaca]

So what other symbols could be used over the star pattern (as we already have and arrow constellation)? As im finding it best to have Egyptian symbols for all the signs in hand (the counter argument to the Greek symbols people know and like).

Also why is there much dark Mars/Solar like energy here in various ancient myths surrounding this area. The Nergal, the Moola Nakshatra, the arrows raised as the Nile is low etc.

also finding words like, "cheif, prophet, elder, seer"

[Danica]

So what other symbols could be used over the star pattern (as we already have and arrow constellation)? As im finding it best to have Egyptian symbols for all the signs in hand (the counter argument to the Greek symbols people know and like).

Fagan speaks about these in Zodiacs Old and New and in the Astrological Origins.

[Soft Alpaca]

I've been having trouble with finding this sign specifically.

[Jim Eshelman]

I've been having trouble with finding this sign specifically.

From the point of archetypal symbolism, Sagittarius is The Arrow. Nearly 100% of all Sagittarian traits and life patterns are directly related to this symbol.

Nearly all of those arise from the specific symbolic idea of higher & higher. That's Sagittarius in a nutshell! You can go back through all the Sun in Sagittarius and Moon in Sagittarius traits and see how they are direct (primary or secondary) expressions of this one idea.

The Arrow has other expressions that sneak in, such as Sagittarius' strong ties to aviation in particular and travel more generally; and the cutting/weaponry themes of what sometimes expresses as sadism.

The Greek idea (the centaur) went further with the same "higher & higher" themes by specifically adopting a creature that is in transition from the lower animal (lower and "behind" part being animal) to a higher expression in humanity (upper and forward part of the figure human). It's a symbol of evolutionary movement originating from a perspective that "higher is better." But you don't need anything other than the simple upward flying shaft of The Arrow to get to these ideas.

[Soft Alpaca]

I understand that Jim. Just was curious what to draw over the start pattern. There looks like a dude holding a bow with it drawn so I'll just run with that.

[Jim Eshelman]

I understand that Jim. Just was curious what to draw over the start pattern. There looks like a dude holding a bow with it drawn so I'll just run with that.

Is this for the art project or something else? You keep referring to the Egyptians who, however, did not trace figures on star patterns but merely gave star clumps names based on other factors.

There's nothing wrong with the centaur-archer, it just isn't Egyptian: It's distinctly Greek.