Neighbor S

[James Condor]

My neighbor S was born December 3 1970 in Idaho falls Idaho at 7:33a.
Can I get her chart analysis?

[Jim Eshelman]

Sure, I'll work up the usual notes. Just give me a bit. (You know the usual drill: It's not really an interpretation, it's the stuff from which an integrated interpretation would be built.)

She's a neighbor, so she's living in Valpo, now? It brings her Mercury, Pluto, and Mars to angles (especially her Mercury rising exactly square Pluto). Weigh this in when you see the other notes for the birth itself.

[James Condor]

Yes she does live in Valparaiso.
She moved from Boise Idaho to Valparaiso I think 3 years ago. She did say her life has changed quite allot. She said she stays home for the most part but used to go out more just before moving.

[Jim Eshelman]

ANGULAR PLANETS & ASPECTS
Sun conjunct Ascendant (2°46')
Warm, friendly, generous, shining their light on the world (often in a paternal, possibly controlling, sense). Vital, assertive, confident (or acts it). Aware they have purpose (goal, destiny) they must seek, find, and actualize. At best: Is in charge of self and does well leading others (can be bossy, demanding, entitled). Needs centricity (attracts satellites; may expect others’ world to revolve around them). Drawn to proud, useful institutions. Instinct for immortality.

Mercury conjunct Eastpoint (2°03')
Alert, attentive, observant, strategic, analytic. Mentally sharp, hard to fool (knows more about you than you think). Little emotional affect, hard to read. Nervous (anxiety? worry? touchy?). Easily bored without regular mental stimulation. Good at precise, detailed work; natural at handling business. Curiosity drives sexual choices as much as any other factor.

Mercury square Pluto (0°47')
Thinking is atypical, unbeholden to convention, outlier. Probing, investigative, thinks deeply about things. Mind may skirt the edge of normalcy (may slip off). Forthright, candid (needs authentic communication); can alienate with words (challenging, confrontational). Excitable about inquiries & new ideas (enthusiasm; burnout?). Impatient (irritated by obstacles, poor frustration tolerance). Instinct for abstract mathematics (great composers, chess players, physicists).

SUN in SCORPIO
Requires freedom of movement and thought, to be unfettered. Willing to rebel, be outlandish. Sharp humor. Bold; moral courage; hard to intimidate. Non-disclosing, slow to show weaknesses; collects others’ weaknesses. Pragmatic, not theoretical. Favors action, abhors apathy. Sexual volcanoes.

Sun sextile Uranus (1°35')
Go their own way, unapologetically following their own paths. Easily bored. Loves freedom. Progressive, future-oriented, uninhibited by convention. Self-perspective usually founded in objectivity. Often deeply interested in occultism.

MOON in CAPRICORN
Restless, confrontational. Resists persuasion, authority, and conformity. Sharp, unconventional mind. Socially charming; not self-disclosing. Humor, prankish, outlandish. Sexually attractive; wild libido. Identifies with the fringe, “bad girl” (but essentially wholesome). Dark, grotesque, shocking, disturbing style (loves dark occult images). Vulnerable to dark moods. Often severe childhoods or early loss.

Moon square Venus (1°41')
Attractive, charming; much sexual charisma. Gracious (ingratiating), affectionate, sensual. Fond of social niceties. High frustration tolerance. (Passive-dependent, moody, can be blindsided by strong feelings, often preoccupied with whether they are liked.)

Moon sextile Sun (0°35')
Energetic, vital, involved. Naturally rises toward leadership, comfortable with power (possible self-exaltation). Psychic vitality, intense desire in whatever they undertake. Sexual desires particularly strong, often narcissistic. Inclined to service.

Moon trine Uranus (1°01')
Intellectually rebellious, roving, curious, inquiring. Not wholly comfortable with outside guidance. Original, futuristic, needing variety. Free-spirited: psychologically lives outside convention. Subject to tensions, emotional stress.

MARS in LIBRA
Warm, sociable, likable. Independent, self-sufficient, survivors (slow to ask for help). Persistent, serious, intent. Interesting, odd (disreputable?), on the outskirts. Ego distinction prevails over ego-submersion (but wants marriage). Passion for social justice. Feminine thrives better than masculine (feminist). Women aggressively protect families, friends (power, impact). Substance abuse problems.

Mercury sextile Mars (2°12')
Quite a charmer with wit and edgy humor. Mind is quick, creative, strategic, opinionated. Independent thinker, enjoys argument, critical, nervous. Vulnerability to addiction.

MERCURY in SAGITTARIUS
Easy speech seems cultured, educated, authoritative, refined. Way with words, oratorical. Optimistic. Good-tempered, tactful, quiet (stubborn). Conscious of the architecture of thought & language. Does well in business world, commercially ambitious. Traveling.

VENUS in LIBRA
Relationship-focused. Polite, well-mannered, likable. Seeks active romantic-social life. Intense passions (but can deny themselves pleasure). Requires and gets loyalty and faithfulness (jealous, possessive). Secretive about sexual relationships. Vain (arousal linked to flattery). Loves beautiful things, luxury (spoiled). Mediators, negotiators, peacemakers.

OUTER PLANET ASPECTS
Neptune sextile Pluto (1°33')
Open to shifting point of view, alternative perspectives, variant possibilities: Potential to forge a new worldview and enroll others. Uncertainty feeds desire for certainty, regarding things a certain way and not other.

Jupiter opposite Saturn (4°21')
Practical, sensible. Responsible, conscientious, patient; effective survivors. Hard work (earning one’s place) brings best rewards. Balances gain and loss: what can be won from losing, what it costs to win (politics, finance). Attuned to tradition; cornerstones of their circles. Orthodoxies draw their allegiance or opposition.

[James Condor]

Well, I haven’t seen her in a few days! She has been a shut last 3 days. Sometime is going on with her.
When we first met I thought she was a little crazy. She has had outburst of yelling at her ex boyfriend. I will say more in a bit

[James Condor]

She sometimes speaks as if her opinion is like the truth and contradicts herself often and is sometimes objective and sometimes not. She quickly argues the exact opposite of what I say depending on her mood. Whether she is drunk too.
Big ego. Puts up an ego wall sometimes. Pretty masculine for a woman.
Denies that she doesn’t care what people think of her. Everyone cares what people think of them to an extent. This is where her ego gets inflated and shows. It’s obvious she is hiding a sensitive side that actually cares. I know what she means though. She means she doesn’t care what people think, unless she does! And she does often.
We mostly get along. I make her laugh

[James Condor]

Neighbor S told me today, she avoids her mother because she Says her mother emotionally abuses her with opinions.
I understand to an extent what that means because I think I’ve had that too from my mother. But, now I figured out ways to communicate through a comment I once thought to be condescending.
She hasn’t.
So my question- is her experience her Scorpio Sun and/ or Capricorn moon?
My initial reaction is that Scorpio suns are very deeply emotional. I’ve thought this before. S is very egotist too. Very outspoken and always argumentative.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Jim posted interpretations above. See angular Mercury sq Pluto and sextile Mars. Just going by Sun and Moon signs misses a lot. You might take a look at her Venus aspects too.

[Jim Eshelman]

Neighbor S told me today, she avoids her mother because she Says her mother emotionally abuses her with opinions.

This is such an amazing statement. (It's twice I've heard it this week - someone actually using the words abuse for what someone said to them.)

Your neighbor's chart doesn't look like someone all that open to abuse. She's scrappy, combative. Sure, she has a widely foreground Neptune, but that's not going to overweigh the Scorpio-Capricorn luminaries, the close luminary-Uranus aspects, and that majestically powerful Mercury-Pluto square.

I'd read her character as: She just doesn't want to be told what to do, how to think, etc., and perceives that this is what her mother is doing. (Or something like that.) There is also a chance with that Capricorn Moon that she has long-term issues with her mother, though the Moon-Venus square suggests they're not so bad (that there is more love than sense of deprivation). She clearly is independent and wants to run her own shown and think her own thoughts, but she's almost 50 years old and should have learned to do that (and tolerate other people having their own opinions) 20 or 30 years ago.

She's entitled, of course, to avoid her mother (or anybody else) for any reason she wants.

My initial reaction is that Scorpio suns are very deeply emotional. I’ve thought this before. S is very egotist too. Very outspoken and always argumentative.

Yes, what I called "scrappy" above. She seems like someone who would pick a fight. Scorpio-Capricorn is a contentious luminary pair, Libra Mars has its own relationship issues, Mercury-Mars sextile enjoys arguing, her closely rising Sun can go several ways but one of them is egotistical, and there are the Uranus and Pluto markers of not wanting anyone to tell her what to do etc.

I'm curious, though... What exactly do you mean when you say that "Scorpio Suns are very deeply emotional"? Several Sagittarians on this forum have made an identical claim and it perplexes me. - I think my problem is that I don't know what you mean by "emotional" - we use that word in several ways. For example, do you mean easily reactive or perhaps feels strongly or perhaps doesn't employ reason? (Or some other way?)

If you mean strongly reactive then I disagree. (Scorpio Moon yes, Sun no.) If you mean feels strongly then I would conditionally agree - it's much more typical of Taurus, for which it is a defining trait, but Hubs in general have a depth that non-Hubs register in different ways. If you mean doesn't employ reason (at least, not in the way you'd hope) then I'd agree more because Hubs in general tend to have more global, nonlinear (right hemisphere) processing (on average) than most Rims and Spokes and Scorpio's have no particular commitment to reason as a roadmap (which is not the same as calling them unreasonable). - I wonder if we can put a finer distinction on which of these (if any) you are seeing when you call them "deeply emotional."

[Jim Eshelman]

Jim posted interpretations above. See angular Mercury sq Pluto and sextile Mars. Just going by Sun and Moon signs misses a lot. You might take a look at her Venus aspects too.

It occurred to me that this chart might benefit from showing the aspect map - I rarely post these just because I rarely post charts and illustrations, but (stripped of sign positions) it cuts deeply into the character wiring.

Neighbor apect map.jpg

[James Condor]

Very cool. Thanks Jim and Jupe

Okay, so what I see is an innate, deeply personal emotional response in Scorpio Sun.
For whatever reason, they feel their emotions are real and a good guideline. Their own world. They live in a deep world. Their own emotional shell shows itself when they strongly disagree. And it’s an quite a physical reaction too.

Assuming most humans have some degree of emotional intelligence, Ive felt and seen Scorpio suns display an physical reaction, facial expression, voice change, from whatever emotion (anger, jealousy, hurt, whatever) it’s deeply felt.
I see it in their body, the way they look when they feel it is very real to them. They seem surprised yet quick to process it. I think they carry it with. I think they learn from it ,assuming from birth.

Scorpio might be so sensitive emotionally about themselves, not others. They love telling about their personal world and current accomplishments once you know them, and it seems deep. They might use unwanted feeling as source of energy, motivation, purpose to learn to fight mentally. Who would recall a precise time and date? Not me. Not many signs. Not Scorpio. But Scorpio knows they went through something that shaped them. And they want to freely own their own world, fighting off what isn’t their own( maybe even if they don’t know, they still just fight?)