Posted Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:57 pm by Jupiter Sets At Dawn
Jim Eshelman on another thread wrote:
And, of course, there is the matter of prediction. Hindsight is wonderful, but now I think we have enough of a platform to start pushing the envelope on foresight. We'll fail a lot along the way, and hopefully learn from that. This stuff is so majestically, magnificently accurate when major events occurs, there remains the gigantic question of how to determine when a major event will occur. (If it happens, we can tell you what it will be like. We just can't tell you if it will happen at all.)
We need a specific and methodical list of what to do to forecast.
I think in order to get that we need to try out forecasting.
Just as a jumping off place, which charts would you cast for a particular area and in what order, in order to predict for that area? What would lead you to cast daily progressions and transits and and which charts would you look at them against? What would you cast just for completeness sake? When would you use mundoscopic charts and when zodiacal charts?
Conversely, starting with a Capsolar, (maybe) what would lead you to look at a particular area? Would you be looking at a mundoscope or a zodiacal chart (likely both, if only to be complete) and what in that chart would lead you to dig deeper into a particular area? Would you start with a Capsolar? Or a stack of lunars? Or something else/more?
ETA: And I guess we need a new thread on mundane forecasting mechanics...
Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:58 pm by Jupiter Sets At Dawn
Eventually, I'd like us to make a macro for Solar Fire where we just put in the name of a place and get back a stack of charts to sort through.
Eventually, I'd like us to make a macro for Solar Fire where we just put in the name of a place and get back a stack of charts to sort through.
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:25 pm by Jim Eshelman
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:
We need a specific and methodical list of what to do to forecast.
I think in order to get that we need to try out forecasting.
Exactly! Hence my monthly "column" started a couple of months back. It would also be great if people would specialize in a specific part of the world, either where they live or some foreign area, and post a monthly forecast.
So far, my best guidance is that since weekly lunars and daily timing are the most accurate, but unbelievably tedious, the best tool is the Bridge system. This identifies, for a specific location (and, in a few cases, for the world) narrower windows when a specific combination of planetary energies are converging on a specific location. From there, we can narrow it further. Additionally (and almost as an independent layer), lunar ingresses are very active in showing what's going on.
This still doesn't solve the problem of determining when a given set of energies will precipitate into an overt event. I don't know if there's some "magic mechanism" that triggers that. But, on the other hand, these relatively few factors do seem to capture the general tone of a time and place so that, even when we don't tag a specific big event, most of the events that happen at least seem consistent with them. That's progress.
Just as a jumping off place, which charts would you cast for a particular area and in what order, in order to predict for that area? What would lead you to cast daily progressions and transits and and which charts would you look at them against? What would you cast just for completeness sake?
The Bridge method - to bridge between the longest term and shortest term events - shows something in 91% of events studied, and is +1 or better 96% of the time that it says something. That's pretty good. It goes like this:
Transits by Mars outward to Capsolar or Cansolar angles within 2°.
Transits (0, 180, 90) by Mars outward to Capsolar or Cansolar Moon or progressed Moon within 1°.
Progressed Cansolar or Capsolar Moon aspects (0, 180, 90) within 1°.
Calculate these, sort them, see where they overlap. That's the Bridge list I publish for DC.
So... start with the Capsolar. It sets overall trends (but can't catch everything). These will be very strong. Be mindful of the quarters, but really focus, after the Capsolar generalization, on the Bridge.
If you want to go deeper, by all means set up all four lunar ingresses each month. Caplunar for the month, others for a week, simplify by dropping out dormant charts and let the prior one flow through.
For making forecasts, I would look at daily charts (quotidians etc.) rarely (unless I was just studying them for the sake of watching). Three exceptions: (1) I'm testing the theory that ingress or transiting Saturn to a CapQ (or, to a lesser extent, CanQ) angle for Washington gives us a list of "the worst days to be president" of the year, or something similar. So far, these have been pretty good. One might experiment with Mars. Since these are ecliptical conjunctions except for EP/WP, you can generate a table automatically. (2) If I'm looking at a specific known date in advance. (3) If I already see a pile-up in the big charts, e.g., a Mars-Pluto zone in the Bridge overlapping with a lunar ingress with Mars exactly angular, then I'll flip through the CapQ for that week to see if there is a comparable hit that pegs a day. - Otherwise, though the CapQ (supported by other daily methods) is the single most reliable tool in our arsenal, approaching 100% accuracy, it's ungainly to use in practice and would catch me up in too much minutia. (And remember that they have a 2° orb, so you have at least a 4-5 day window for such a "hit.")
When would you use mundoscopic charts and when zodiacal charts?
This is spelled out pretty specifically in SMA. See Chapter 3, "Static Charts vs. Transits," which is on p. 18 of the current edition.
Conditions within a given static chart (e.g., an ingress) are mundoscope - it actually shows the real proximity to angles. Transits to angles, however, always take ecliptically (whether transits to existing ingresses or to their quotidians). Exceptions: Squares to Ascendant are always inherently ecliptical, regardless of context. Hits to EP/WP are inherently measured in RA, regardless of context. (These exceptions are based on the astronomy of what the points actually are, and the "alternatives" are accounted for by other angles, e.g., PV square to MC is Asc, RA square to MC is EP, ecliptical sq. to MC is "square to MC".)
Conversely, starting with a Capsolar, (maybe) what would lead you to look at a particular area? Would you be looking at a mundoscope or a zodiacal chart (likely both, if only to be complete) and what in that chart would lead you to dig deeper into a particular area? Would you start with a Capsolar? Or a stack of lunars? Or something else/more?
That's the tough one. I've more and more leaned to the idea that it's pretty impossible to catch all the local areas and, instead, we need people to take up the task of regularly watching a specific area. I focus on Washington because, for the most part, "as Washington goes, so goes the country."
However, for the lunar ingresses, I've tried to identify other hot spots for the week. This is limited, and I'll miss a lot, But, basically, I just run an astromap for the chart and see where planets cross angles, then flip and see where they square Asc and MC. It would help things enormously if we could overlay these maps, but SF doesn't let us do this. It would be wondrous if SF would shade an area a specified number of degrees (e.g., 3°) either side of these lines so we could get the affected zones and see where these overlap. I have to do this on the fly and by estimation to write the little "other locations" sections at the end of my weekly forecasts, and I intentionally give these in smaller type to indicate that they are minor, off the cuff,
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:
We need a specific and methodical list of what to do to forecast.
I think in order to get that we need to try out forecasting.
Exactly! Hence my monthly "column" started a couple of months back. It would also be great if people would specialize in a specific part of the world, either where they live or some foreign area, and post a monthly forecast.
So far, my best guidance is that since weekly lunars and daily timing are the most accurate, but unbelievably tedious, the best tool is the Bridge system. This identifies, for a specific location (and, in a few cases, for the world) narrower windows when a specific combination of planetary energies are converging on a specific location. From there, we can narrow it further. Additionally (and almost as an independent layer), lunar ingresses are very active in showing what's going on.
This still doesn't solve the problem of determining when a given set of energies will precipitate into an overt event. I don't know if there's some "magic mechanism" that triggers that. But, on the other hand, these relatively few factors do seem to capture the general tone of a time and place so that, even when we don't tag a specific big event, most of the events that happen at least seem consistent with them. That's progress.
Just as a jumping off place, which charts would you cast for a particular area and in what order, in order to predict for that area? What would lead you to cast daily progressions and transits and and which charts would you look at them against? What would you cast just for completeness sake?
The Bridge method - to bridge between the longest term and shortest term events - shows something in 91% of events studied, and is +1 or better 96% of the time that it says something. That's pretty good. It goes like this:
Transits by Mars outward to Capsolar or Cansolar angles within 2°.
Transits (0, 180, 90) by Mars outward to Capsolar or Cansolar Moon or progressed Moon within 1°.
Progressed Cansolar or Capsolar Moon aspects (0, 180, 90) within 1°.
Calculate these, sort them, see where they overlap. That's the Bridge list I publish for DC.
So... start with the Capsolar. It sets overall trends (but can't catch everything). These will be very strong. Be mindful of the quarters, but really focus, after the Capsolar generalization, on the Bridge.
If you want to go deeper, by all means set up all four lunar ingresses each month. Caplunar for the month, others for a week, simplify by dropping out dormant charts and let the prior one flow through.
For making forecasts, I would look at daily charts (quotidians etc.) rarely (unless I was just studying them for the sake of watching). Three exceptions: (1) I'm testing the theory that ingress or transiting Saturn to a CapQ (or, to a lesser extent, CanQ) angle for Washington gives us a list of "the worst days to be president" of the year, or something similar. So far, these have been pretty good. One might experiment with Mars. Since these are ecliptical conjunctions except for EP/WP, you can generate a table automatically. (2) If I'm looking at a specific known date in advance. (3) If I already see a pile-up in the big charts, e.g., a Mars-Pluto zone in the Bridge overlapping with a lunar ingress with Mars exactly angular, then I'll flip through the CapQ for that week to see if there is a comparable hit that pegs a day. - Otherwise, though the CapQ (supported by other daily methods) is the single most reliable tool in our arsenal, approaching 100% accuracy, it's ungainly to use in practice and would catch me up in too much minutia. (And remember that they have a 2° orb, so you have at least a 4-5 day window for such a "hit.")
When would you use mundoscopic charts and when zodiacal charts?
This is spelled out pretty specifically in SMA. See Chapter 3, "Static Charts vs. Transits," which is on p. 18 of the current edition.
Conditions within a given static chart (e.g., an ingress) are mundoscope - it actually shows the real proximity to angles. Transits to angles, however, always take ecliptically (whether transits to existing ingresses or to their quotidians). Exceptions: Squares to Ascendant are always inherently ecliptical, regardless of context. Hits to EP/WP are inherently measured in RA, regardless of context. (These exceptions are based on the astronomy of what the points actually are, and the "alternatives" are accounted for by other angles, e.g., PV square to MC is Asc, RA square to MC is EP, ecliptical sq. to MC is "square to MC".)
Conversely, starting with a Capsolar, (maybe) what would lead you to look at a particular area? Would you be looking at a mundoscope or a zodiacal chart (likely both, if only to be complete) and what in that chart would lead you to dig deeper into a particular area? Would you start with a Capsolar? Or a stack of lunars? Or something else/more?
That's the tough one. I've more and more leaned to the idea that it's pretty impossible to catch all the local areas and, instead, we need people to take up the task of regularly watching a specific area. I focus on Washington because, for the most part, "as Washington goes, so goes the country."
However, for the lunar ingresses, I've tried to identify other hot spots for the week. This is limited, and I'll miss a lot, But, basically, I just run an astromap for the chart and see where planets cross angles, then flip and see where they square Asc and MC. It would help things enormously if we could overlay these maps, but SF doesn't let us do this. It would be wondrous if SF would shade an area a specified number of degrees (e.g., 3°) either side of these lines so we could get the affected zones and see where these overlap. I have to do this on the fly and by estimation to write the little "other locations" sections at the end of my weekly forecasts, and I intentionally give these in smaller type to indicate that they are minor, off the cuff,
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:32 pm by Jim Eshelman
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:
Eventually, I'd like us to make a macro for Solar Fire where we just put in the name of a place and get back a stack of charts to sort through.
I can give you a series of keystrokes for this. It would produce every possible chart, then you could delete a few you didn't want. I don't know if the macro tool is that sophisticated, though: It would need to capture every keystroke, and I think sometimes it only captures the consequences of a keystroke. But here's how to do it. (Notice that it presumes certain defaults, e.g., that you already have your secondary progression angles defaulting to Quotidian.)
Start by calculating a chart for the date, time, and place for which you want the stack of charts. Select it, then execute the following keystrokes:
Shift+F12 Esc F5 Natal
Advanced & Ingresses | Options | Sun | Position or Ingress | Cp | Enter
F5 | Options | (click in Ingress box) | Ar | Enter
F5 | Options | (click in Ingress box) | Cn | Enter
F5 | Options | (click in Ingress box) | Li | Enter
F5 | Options | Moon | (click in Ingress box) | Cp | Enter
F5 | Options | (click in Ingress box) | Ar | Enter
F5 | Options | (click in Ingress box) | Cn | Enter
F5 | Options | (click in Ingress box) | Li | Enter
(select Capsolar, i.e., 2nd chart on the list) | F4 | Enter
(select Cansolar, i.e., 3rd chart on the list) | F4 | Enter
That's it.
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:
Eventually, I'd like us to make a macro for Solar Fire where we just put in the name of a place and get back a stack of charts to sort through.
I can give you a series of keystrokes for this. It would produce every possible chart, then you could delete a few you didn't want. I don't know if the macro tool is that sophisticated, though: It would need to capture every keystroke, and I think sometimes it only captures the consequences of a keystroke. But here's how to do it. (Notice that it presumes certain defaults, e.g., that you already have your secondary progression angles defaulting to Quotidian.)
Start by calculating a chart for the date, time, and place for which you want the stack of charts. Select it, then execute the following keystrokes:
Shift+F12 Esc F5 Natal
Advanced & Ingresses | Options | Sun | Position or Ingress | Cp | Enter
F5 | Options | (click in Ingress box) | Ar | Enter
F5 | Options | (click in Ingress box) | Cn | Enter
F5 | Options | (click in Ingress box) | Li | Enter
F5 | Options | Moon | (click in Ingress box) | Cp | Enter
F5 | Options | (click in Ingress box) | Ar | Enter
F5 | Options | (click in Ingress box) | Cn | Enter
F5 | Options | (click in Ingress box) | Li | Enter
(select Capsolar, i.e., 2nd chart on the list) | F4 | Enter
(select Cansolar, i.e., 3rd chart on the list) | F4 | Enter
That's it.
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Thu Jun 02, 2016 6:45 pm by Jim Eshelman
Here's a sample of how to build a Bridge list for a year. (To make it slightly easier, let's use a Capsolar year, not a calendar year.) I've done this before for Washington for this year, so maybe let's do it for next year.
First, I calculate the 2017 Capsolar and Cansolar (you have to do two Cansolars), and then run the following reports:
(Calculate transits of Mars through Pluto to angles of each, 2° orb.)
NB. I originally had these broken down by each of the three charts, then realized I'd made a mistake and hard to start over again - lost half an hour that way
. The list now consolidates still has Cap first, Can #1 next, Can#2 next, but I haven't visually separated it as carefully.
Plu Opp EP Feb 11 2017 to Jul 1 2017
Ura Cnj MC Feb 20 2017 to May 7 2017
Mar Cnj MC Feb 26 2017 to Mar 3 2017
Jup Opp MC Jan 14 2017 to Mar 8 2017
Mar Sqr Asc Mar 14 2017 to Mar 20 2017
Mar Cnj EP Jul 2 2017 to Jul 8 2017
Mar Sqr MC Jul 7 2017 to Jul 13 2017
Mar Cnj Asc Jul 25 2017 to Aug 1 2017
Jup Opp MC Aug 30 2017 to Sep 20 2017
Jup Sqr Asc Oct 27 2017 to Nov 14 2017
Ura Cnj MC Nov 7 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Mar Opp MC Nov 26 2017 to Dec 2 2017
Mar Sqr Asc Dec 14 2017 to Dec 21 2017
Plu Opp EP Dec 18 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Sat Cnj MC Jan 14 2017 to Feb 11 2017
Mar Cnj Asc Jan 14 2017 to Jan 15 2017
Mar Cnj EP Jan 15 2017 to Jan 20 2017
Mar Sqr MC Jan 16 2017 to Jan 22 2017
Mar Sqr Asc May 15 2017 to May 20 2017
Mar Opp MC May 22 2017 to May 28 2017
Sat Cnj MC May 31 2017 to Jul 17 2017
Jup Sqr Asc Jul 17 2017 to Jul 22 2017
Sat Sqr MC Oct 11 2017 to Nov 23 2017
Mar Opp MC Oct 11 2017 to Oct 17 2017
Sat Opp EP Oct 21 2017 to Nov 30 2017
Mar Sqr Asc Nov 10 2017 to Nov 16 2017
(Next, calculate transits of Mars through Pluto to ingress & progressed Moons of each, 1° orb.)
Mar Sqr Mon Apr 15 2017 to Apr 18 2017
Mar Sqr Mon Apr 20 2017 to Apr 24 2017
Mar Cnj Mon Aug 30 2017 to Sep 2 2017
Mar Cnj Mon Sep 13 2017 to Sep 16 2017
Mar Sqr Mon Jan 15 2017 to Jan 17 2017
Mar Sqr Mon Jan 23 2017 to Jan 26 2017
Mar Opp Mon May 21 2017 to May 24 2017
Mar Opp Mon Jun 6 2017 to Jun 10 2017
Mar Sqr Mon Jul 22 2017 to Jul 26 2017
Jup Opp Mon Oct 16 2017 to Oct 25 2017
Jup Opp Mon Nov 5 2017 to Nov 16 2017
Mar Opp Mon Dec 11 2017 to Dec 14 2017
Mar Opp Mon Dec 20 2017 to Dec 24 2017
(Finally, calculate all progressions of these ingresses 0/90/180, 1° orb. These will nearly always be lunar progressions, but not always. For now, I'll only count lunar ones. There are only a few.)
Mon Opp Nep Dec 4 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Mon Sqr Sun Jan 14 2017 to Jan 30 2017
Mon Sqr Mar Feb 18 2017 to Apr 19 2017
Mon Cnj Ura Mar 9 2017 to Apr 30 2017
Here's a sample of how to build a Bridge list for a year. (To make it slightly easier, let's use a Capsolar year, not a calendar year.) I've done this before for Washington for this year, so maybe let's do it for next year.
First, I calculate the 2017 Capsolar and Cansolar (you have to do two Cansolars), and then run the following reports:
(Calculate transits of Mars through Pluto to angles of each, 2° orb.)
NB. I originally had these broken down by each of the three charts, then realized I'd made a mistake and hard to start over again - lost half an hour that way
. The list now consolidates still has Cap first, Can #1 next, Can#2 next, but I haven't visually separated it as carefully.Plu Opp EP Feb 11 2017 to Jul 1 2017
Ura Cnj MC Feb 20 2017 to May 7 2017
Mar Cnj MC Feb 26 2017 to Mar 3 2017
Jup Opp MC Jan 14 2017 to Mar 8 2017
Mar Sqr Asc Mar 14 2017 to Mar 20 2017
Mar Cnj EP Jul 2 2017 to Jul 8 2017
Mar Sqr MC Jul 7 2017 to Jul 13 2017
Mar Cnj Asc Jul 25 2017 to Aug 1 2017
Jup Opp MC Aug 30 2017 to Sep 20 2017
Jup Sqr Asc Oct 27 2017 to Nov 14 2017
Ura Cnj MC Nov 7 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Mar Opp MC Nov 26 2017 to Dec 2 2017
Mar Sqr Asc Dec 14 2017 to Dec 21 2017
Plu Opp EP Dec 18 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Sat Cnj MC Jan 14 2017 to Feb 11 2017
Mar Cnj Asc Jan 14 2017 to Jan 15 2017
Mar Cnj EP Jan 15 2017 to Jan 20 2017
Mar Sqr MC Jan 16 2017 to Jan 22 2017
Mar Sqr Asc May 15 2017 to May 20 2017
Mar Opp MC May 22 2017 to May 28 2017
Sat Cnj MC May 31 2017 to Jul 17 2017
Jup Sqr Asc Jul 17 2017 to Jul 22 2017
Sat Sqr MC Oct 11 2017 to Nov 23 2017
Mar Opp MC Oct 11 2017 to Oct 17 2017
Sat Opp EP Oct 21 2017 to Nov 30 2017
Mar Sqr Asc Nov 10 2017 to Nov 16 2017
(Next, calculate transits of Mars through Pluto to ingress & progressed Moons of each, 1° orb.)
Mar Sqr Mon Apr 15 2017 to Apr 18 2017
Mar Sqr Mon Apr 20 2017 to Apr 24 2017
Mar Cnj Mon Aug 30 2017 to Sep 2 2017
Mar Cnj Mon Sep 13 2017 to Sep 16 2017
Mar Sqr Mon Jan 15 2017 to Jan 17 2017
Mar Sqr Mon Jan 23 2017 to Jan 26 2017
Mar Opp Mon May 21 2017 to May 24 2017
Mar Opp Mon Jun 6 2017 to Jun 10 2017
Mar Sqr Mon Jul 22 2017 to Jul 26 2017
Jup Opp Mon Oct 16 2017 to Oct 25 2017
Jup Opp Mon Nov 5 2017 to Nov 16 2017
Mar Opp Mon Dec 11 2017 to Dec 14 2017
Mar Opp Mon Dec 20 2017 to Dec 24 2017
(Finally, calculate all progressions of these ingresses 0/90/180, 1° orb. These will nearly always be lunar progressions, but not always. For now, I'll only count lunar ones. There are only a few.)
Mon Opp Nep Dec 4 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Mon Sqr Sun Jan 14 2017 to Jan 30 2017
Mon Sqr Mar Feb 18 2017 to Apr 19 2017
Mon Cnj Ura Mar 9 2017 to Apr 30 2017
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:47 pm by Jim Eshelman
Next, we simplify the list a lot. We don't really care how a planet gets on the list, just that it's on the list, so I can simplify the three sections above as follows:
Plu Feb 11 2017 to Jul 1 2017
Ura Feb 20 2017 to May 7 2017
Mar Feb 26 2017 to Mar 3 2017
Jup Jan 14 2017 to Mar 8 2017
Mar Mar 14 2017 to Mar 20 2017
Mar Jul 2 2017 to Jul 8 2017
Mar Jul 7 2017 to Jul 13 2017
Mar Jul 25 2017 to Aug 1 2017
Jup Aug 30 2017 to Sep 20 2017
Jup Oct 27 2017 to Nov 14 2017
Ura Nov 7 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Mar Nov 26 2017 to Dec 2 2017
Mar Dec 14 2017 to Dec 21 2017
Plu Dec 18 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Sat Jan 14 2017 to Feb 11 2017
Mar Jan 14 2017 to Jan 15 2017
Mar Jan 15 2017 to Jan 20 2017
Mar Jan 16 2017 to Jan 22 2017
Mar May 15 2017 to May 20 2017
Mar May 22 2017 to May 28 2017
Sat May 31 2017 to Jul 17 2017
Jup Jul 17 2017 to Jul 22 2017
Sat Oct 11 2017 to Nov 23 2017
Mar Oct 11 2017 to Oct 17 2017
Sat Oct 21 2017 to Nov 30 2017
Mar Nov 10 2017 to Nov 16 2017
Mar Apr 15 2017 to Apr 18 2017
Mar Apr 20 2017 to Apr 24 2017
Mar Aug 30 2017 to Sep 2 2017
Mar Sep 13 2017 to Sep 16 2017
Mar Jan 15 2017 to Jan 17 2017
Mar Jan 23 2017 to Jan 26 2017
Mar May 21 2017 to May 24 2017
Mar Jun 6 2017 to Jun 10 2017
Mar Jul 22 2017 to Jul 26 2017
Jup Oct 16 2017 to Oct 25 2017
Jup Nov 5 2017 to Nov 16 2017
Mar Dec 11 2017 to Dec 14 2017
Mar Dec 20 2017 to Dec 24 2017
Nep Dec 4 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Sun Jan 14 2017 to Jan 30 2017
Mar Feb 18 2017 to Apr 19 2017
Ura Mar 9 2017 to Apr 30 2017
Next, we simplify the list a lot. We don't really care how a planet gets on the list, just that it's on the list, so I can simplify the three sections above as follows:
Plu Feb 11 2017 to Jul 1 2017
Ura Feb 20 2017 to May 7 2017
Mar Feb 26 2017 to Mar 3 2017
Jup Jan 14 2017 to Mar 8 2017
Mar Mar 14 2017 to Mar 20 2017
Mar Jul 2 2017 to Jul 8 2017
Mar Jul 7 2017 to Jul 13 2017
Mar Jul 25 2017 to Aug 1 2017
Jup Aug 30 2017 to Sep 20 2017
Jup Oct 27 2017 to Nov 14 2017
Ura Nov 7 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Mar Nov 26 2017 to Dec 2 2017
Mar Dec 14 2017 to Dec 21 2017
Plu Dec 18 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Sat Jan 14 2017 to Feb 11 2017
Mar Jan 14 2017 to Jan 15 2017
Mar Jan 15 2017 to Jan 20 2017
Mar Jan 16 2017 to Jan 22 2017
Mar May 15 2017 to May 20 2017
Mar May 22 2017 to May 28 2017
Sat May 31 2017 to Jul 17 2017
Jup Jul 17 2017 to Jul 22 2017
Sat Oct 11 2017 to Nov 23 2017
Mar Oct 11 2017 to Oct 17 2017
Sat Oct 21 2017 to Nov 30 2017
Mar Nov 10 2017 to Nov 16 2017
Mar Apr 15 2017 to Apr 18 2017
Mar Apr 20 2017 to Apr 24 2017
Mar Aug 30 2017 to Sep 2 2017
Mar Sep 13 2017 to Sep 16 2017
Mar Jan 15 2017 to Jan 17 2017
Mar Jan 23 2017 to Jan 26 2017
Mar May 21 2017 to May 24 2017
Mar Jun 6 2017 to Jun 10 2017
Mar Jul 22 2017 to Jul 26 2017
Jup Oct 16 2017 to Oct 25 2017
Jup Nov 5 2017 to Nov 16 2017
Mar Dec 11 2017 to Dec 14 2017
Mar Dec 20 2017 to Dec 24 2017
Nep Dec 4 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Sun Jan 14 2017 to Jan 30 2017
Mar Feb 18 2017 to Apr 19 2017
Ura Mar 9 2017 to Apr 30 2017
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:52 pm by Jim Eshelman
Next, we have to do some data crunching. I don't know any way to do this but manually. My procedure (having kept all these in an Excel spreadsheet) is to sort them by planet first, start date second, so that I see all entries for the same planet together and can tell when they overlap. I then combine them (because it doesn't matter to me how a planet got on the list.) The sort looks like this:
Plu 11-Feb-17 to 1-Jul-17
Plu 18-Dec-17 to 14-Jan-18
Nep 4-Dec-17 to 14-Jan-18
Ura 20-Feb-17 to 7-May-17
Ura 9-Mar-17 to 30-Apr-17
Ura 7-Nov-17 to 14-Jan-18
Sat 14-Jan-17 to 11-Feb-17
Sat 31-May-17 to 17-Jul-17
Sat 11-Oct-17 to 23-Nov-17
Sat 21-Oct-17 to 30-Nov-17
Jup 14-Jan-17 to 8-Mar-17
Jup 17-Jul-17 to 22-Jul-17
Jup 30-Aug-17 to 20-Sep-17
Jup 16-Oct-17 to 25-Oct-17
Jup 27-Oct-17 to 14-Nov-17
Jup 5-Nov-17 to 16-Nov-17
Sun 14-Jan-17 to 30-Jan-17
Mar 14-Jan-17 to 15-Jan-17
Mar 15-Jan-17 to 17-Jan-17
Mar 15-Jan-17 to 20-Jan-17
Mar 16-Jan-17 to 22-Jan-17
Mar 23-Jan-17 to 26-Jan-17
Mar 18-Feb-17 to 19-Apr-17
Mar 26-Feb-17 to 3-Mar-17
Mar 14-Mar-17 to 20-Mar-17
Mar 15-Apr-17 to 18-Apr-17
Mar 20-Apr-17 to 24-Apr-17
Mar 15-May-17 to 20-May-17
Mar 21-May-17 to 24-May-17
Mar 22-May-17 to 28-May-17
Mar 6-Jun-17 to 10-Jun-17
Mar 2-Jul-17 to 8-Jul-17
Mar 7-Jul-17 to 13-Jul-17
Mar 22-Jul-17 to 26-Jul-17
Mar 25-Jul-17 to 1-Aug-17
Mar 30-Aug-17 to 2-Sep-17
Mar 13-Sep-17 to 16-Sep-17
Mar 11-Oct-17 to 17-Oct-17
Mar 10-Nov-17 to 16-Nov-17
Mar 26-Nov-17 to 2-Dec-17
Mar 11-Dec-17 to 14-Dec-17
Mar 14-Dec-17 to 21-Dec-17
Mar 20-Dec-17 to 24-Dec-17
After crunching them down, it looks like this:
Plu 11-Feb-17 to 1-Jul-17
Plu 18-Dec-17 to 14-Jan-18
Nep 4-Dec-17 to 14-Jan-18
Ura 20-Feb-17 to 7-May-17
Ura 7-Nov-17 to 14-Jan-18
Sat 14-Jan-17 to 11-Feb-17
Sat 31-May-17 to 17-Jul-17
Sat 11-Oct-17 to 30-Nov-17
Jup 14-Jan-17 to 8-Mar-17
Jup 17-Jul-17 to 22-Jul-17
Jup 30-Aug-17 to 20-Sep-17
Jup 16-Oct-17 to 25-Oct-17
Jup 27-Oct-17 to 16-Nov-17
Sun 14-Jan-17 to 30-Jan-17
Mar 14-Jan-17 to 26-Jan-17
Mar 18-Feb-17 to 20-Mar-17
Mar 15-Apr-17 to 18-Apr-17
Mar 20-Apr-17 to 24-Apr-17
Mar 15-May-17 to 28-May-17
Mar 6-Jun-17 to 10-Jun-17
Mar 2-Jul-17 to 13-Jul-17
Mar 22-Jul-17 to 1-Aug-17
Mar 30-Aug-17 to 2-Sep-17
Mar 13-Sep-17 to 16-Sep-17
Mar 11-Oct-17 to 17-Oct-17
Mar 10-Nov-17 to 16-Nov-17
Mar 26-Nov-17 to 2-Dec-17
Mar 11-Dec-17 to 24-Dec-17
Next, we have to do some data crunching. I don't know any way to do this but manually. My procedure (having kept all these in an Excel spreadsheet) is to sort them by planet first, start date second, so that I see all entries for the same planet together and can tell when they overlap. I then combine them (because it doesn't matter to me how a planet got on the list.) The sort looks like this:
Plu 11-Feb-17 to 1-Jul-17
Plu 18-Dec-17 to 14-Jan-18
Nep 4-Dec-17 to 14-Jan-18
Ura 20-Feb-17 to 7-May-17
Ura 9-Mar-17 to 30-Apr-17
Ura 7-Nov-17 to 14-Jan-18
Sat 14-Jan-17 to 11-Feb-17
Sat 31-May-17 to 17-Jul-17
Sat 11-Oct-17 to 23-Nov-17
Sat 21-Oct-17 to 30-Nov-17
Jup 14-Jan-17 to 8-Mar-17
Jup 17-Jul-17 to 22-Jul-17
Jup 30-Aug-17 to 20-Sep-17
Jup 16-Oct-17 to 25-Oct-17
Jup 27-Oct-17 to 14-Nov-17
Jup 5-Nov-17 to 16-Nov-17
Sun 14-Jan-17 to 30-Jan-17
Mar 14-Jan-17 to 15-Jan-17
Mar 15-Jan-17 to 17-Jan-17
Mar 15-Jan-17 to 20-Jan-17
Mar 16-Jan-17 to 22-Jan-17
Mar 23-Jan-17 to 26-Jan-17
Mar 18-Feb-17 to 19-Apr-17
Mar 26-Feb-17 to 3-Mar-17
Mar 14-Mar-17 to 20-Mar-17
Mar 15-Apr-17 to 18-Apr-17
Mar 20-Apr-17 to 24-Apr-17
Mar 15-May-17 to 20-May-17
Mar 21-May-17 to 24-May-17
Mar 22-May-17 to 28-May-17
Mar 6-Jun-17 to 10-Jun-17
Mar 2-Jul-17 to 8-Jul-17
Mar 7-Jul-17 to 13-Jul-17
Mar 22-Jul-17 to 26-Jul-17
Mar 25-Jul-17 to 1-Aug-17
Mar 30-Aug-17 to 2-Sep-17
Mar 13-Sep-17 to 16-Sep-17
Mar 11-Oct-17 to 17-Oct-17
Mar 10-Nov-17 to 16-Nov-17
Mar 26-Nov-17 to 2-Dec-17
Mar 11-Dec-17 to 14-Dec-17
Mar 14-Dec-17 to 21-Dec-17
Mar 20-Dec-17 to 24-Dec-17
After crunching them down, it looks like this:
Plu 11-Feb-17 to 1-Jul-17
Plu 18-Dec-17 to 14-Jan-18
Nep 4-Dec-17 to 14-Jan-18
Ura 20-Feb-17 to 7-May-17
Ura 7-Nov-17 to 14-Jan-18
Sat 14-Jan-17 to 11-Feb-17
Sat 31-May-17 to 17-Jul-17
Sat 11-Oct-17 to 30-Nov-17
Jup 14-Jan-17 to 8-Mar-17
Jup 17-Jul-17 to 22-Jul-17
Jup 30-Aug-17 to 20-Sep-17
Jup 16-Oct-17 to 25-Oct-17
Jup 27-Oct-17 to 16-Nov-17
Sun 14-Jan-17 to 30-Jan-17
Mar 14-Jan-17 to 26-Jan-17
Mar 18-Feb-17 to 20-Mar-17
Mar 15-Apr-17 to 18-Apr-17
Mar 20-Apr-17 to 24-Apr-17
Mar 15-May-17 to 28-May-17
Mar 6-Jun-17 to 10-Jun-17
Mar 2-Jul-17 to 13-Jul-17
Mar 22-Jul-17 to 1-Aug-17
Mar 30-Aug-17 to 2-Sep-17
Mar 13-Sep-17 to 16-Sep-17
Mar 11-Oct-17 to 17-Oct-17
Mar 10-Nov-17 to 16-Nov-17
Mar 26-Nov-17 to 2-Dec-17
Mar 11-Dec-17 to 24-Dec-17
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:04 pm by Jim Eshelman
Finally - and, again, the only way I know to do this is a lot of hand cruching - I sort it all by start date first, end date second, and then manually edit it to get planetary overlaps toi get the final Bridge Zone list. (This whole process was about 2-3 hrs FYI.)
14-Jan-17 to 26-Jan-17 Su Ma Ju Sa
27-Jan-17 to 30-Jan-17 Su Ju Sa
30-Jan-17 to 10-Feb-17 Ju Sa
11-Feb-17 to 11-Feb-17 Ju Sa Pl
12-Feb-17 to 17-Feb-17 Ju Pl
18-Feb-17 to 19-Feb-17 Ma Ju Pl
20-Feb-17 to 8-Mar-17 Ma Ju Ur Pl
9-Mar-17 to 20-Mar-17 Ma Ur Pl
21-Mar-17 to 14-Apr-17 Ura
15-Apr-17 to 18-Apr-17 Ma Ur
19-Apr-17 to 19-Apr-17 Ura
20-Apr-17 to 24-Apr-17 Ma Ur
25-Apr-17 to 7-May-17 Ura
8-May-17 to 14-May-17 Plu
15-May-17 to 28-May-17 Ma Pl
29-May-17 to 30-May-17 Plu
31-May-17 to 5-Jun-17 Sa Pl
6-Jun-17 to 10-Jun-17 Ma Sa Pl
11-Jun-17 to 1-Jul-17 Sa Pl
2-Jul-17 to 13-Jul-17 Ma Sa
14-Jul-17 to 16-Jul-17 Sat
17-Jul-17 to 17-Jul-17 Ju Sa
18-Jul-17 to 21-Jul-17 Jup
22-Jul-17 to 22-Jul-17 Ma Ju
22-Jul-17 to 1-Aug-17 Mar
30-Aug-17 to 2-Sep-17 Ma Ju
3-Sep-17 to 20-Sep-17 Jup
13-Sep-17 to 16-Sep-17 Ma Ju
17-Sep-17 to 20-Sep-17 Jup
11-Oct-17 to 17-Oct-17 Ma Sa
18-Oct-17 to 15-Oct-17 Sat
16-Oct-17 to 25-Oct-17 Ju Sa
26-Oct-17 to 26-Oct-17 Sat
27-Oct-17 to 6-Nov-17 Ju Sa
7-Nov-17 to 16-Nov-17 Ju Sa Ur
10-Nov-17 to 16-Nov-17 Ma Ju Sa Ur
17-Nov-17 to 30-Nov-17 Sa Ur
26-Nov-17 to 30-Nov-17 Ma Sa Ur
1-Dec-17 to 2-Dec-17 Ma Ur
3-Dec-17 to 3-Dec-17 Ura
4-Dec-17 to 10-Dec-17 Ur Ne Pl
11-Dec-17 to 24-Dec-17 Ma Ur Ne Pl
12/25/2017 to 14-Jan-18 Ur Ne Pl
Finally - and, again, the only way I know to do this is a lot of hand cruching - I sort it all by start date first, end date second, and then manually edit it to get planetary overlaps toi get the final Bridge Zone list. (This whole process was about 2-3 hrs FYI.)
14-Jan-17 to 26-Jan-17 Su Ma Ju Sa
27-Jan-17 to 30-Jan-17 Su Ju Sa
30-Jan-17 to 10-Feb-17 Ju Sa
11-Feb-17 to 11-Feb-17 Ju Sa Pl
12-Feb-17 to 17-Feb-17 Ju Pl
18-Feb-17 to 19-Feb-17 Ma Ju Pl
20-Feb-17 to 8-Mar-17 Ma Ju Ur Pl
9-Mar-17 to 20-Mar-17 Ma Ur Pl
21-Mar-17 to 14-Apr-17 Ura
15-Apr-17 to 18-Apr-17 Ma Ur
19-Apr-17 to 19-Apr-17 Ura
20-Apr-17 to 24-Apr-17 Ma Ur
25-Apr-17 to 7-May-17 Ura
8-May-17 to 14-May-17 Plu
15-May-17 to 28-May-17 Ma Pl
29-May-17 to 30-May-17 Plu
31-May-17 to 5-Jun-17 Sa Pl
6-Jun-17 to 10-Jun-17 Ma Sa Pl
11-Jun-17 to 1-Jul-17 Sa Pl
2-Jul-17 to 13-Jul-17 Ma Sa
14-Jul-17 to 16-Jul-17 Sat
17-Jul-17 to 17-Jul-17 Ju Sa
18-Jul-17 to 21-Jul-17 Jup
22-Jul-17 to 22-Jul-17 Ma Ju
22-Jul-17 to 1-Aug-17 Mar
30-Aug-17 to 2-Sep-17 Ma Ju
3-Sep-17 to 20-Sep-17 Jup
13-Sep-17 to 16-Sep-17 Ma Ju
17-Sep-17 to 20-Sep-17 Jup
11-Oct-17 to 17-Oct-17 Ma Sa
18-Oct-17 to 15-Oct-17 Sat
16-Oct-17 to 25-Oct-17 Ju Sa
26-Oct-17 to 26-Oct-17 Sat
27-Oct-17 to 6-Nov-17 Ju Sa
7-Nov-17 to 16-Nov-17 Ju Sa Ur
10-Nov-17 to 16-Nov-17 Ma Ju Sa Ur
17-Nov-17 to 30-Nov-17 Sa Ur
26-Nov-17 to 30-Nov-17 Ma Sa Ur
1-Dec-17 to 2-Dec-17 Ma Ur
3-Dec-17 to 3-Dec-17 Ura
4-Dec-17 to 10-Dec-17 Ur Ne Pl
11-Dec-17 to 24-Dec-17 Ma Ur Ne Pl
12/25/2017 to 14-Jan-18 Ur Ne Pl
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:16 pm by Danica
when I want to see the overlapping transits (or other progn.factors) in a timeline, I draw a quick "table" like this - takes about 5 minutes to make and gives a good visual preview
when I want to see the overlapping transits (or other progn.factors) in a timeline, I draw a quick "table" like this - takes about 5 minutes to make and gives a good visual preview
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:46 pm by Danica
Overlapping of 3 or more factors:
Jan 14 - Jan 26: Saturn, Jupiter, Sun, Mars
Feb 20 - Mar 8: Pluto, Uranus, Jupiter, Mars
Apr 15 - Apr 24: Pluto, Uranus, Mars
Jun 6 - Jun 10: Pluto, Saturn, Mars
Oct 16 - Oct 17: Saturn, Jupiter, Mars
Nov 10 - Nov 16: Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars
Nov 26 - Nov 30: Uranus, Saturn, Mars
Dec 18 - Dec 24: Pluto, Neptune, Uranus, Mars
Overlapping of 3 or more factors:
Jan 14 - Jan 26: Saturn, Jupiter, Sun, Mars
Feb 20 - Mar 8: Pluto, Uranus, Jupiter, Mars
Apr 15 - Apr 24: Pluto, Uranus, Mars
Jun 6 - Jun 10: Pluto, Saturn, Mars
Oct 16 - Oct 17: Saturn, Jupiter, Mars
Nov 10 - Nov 16: Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars
Nov 26 - Nov 30: Uranus, Saturn, Mars
Dec 18 - Dec 24: Pluto, Neptune, Uranus, Mars
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:40 am by Jupiter Sets At Dawn
Jim Eshelman wrote:
(Finally, calculate all progressions of these ingresses 0/90/180, 1° orb.
Can't figure out what this means.
for context:
Jim Eshelman wrote:
These will nearly always be lunar progressions, but not always. For now, I'll only count lunar ones. There are only a few.)
Mon Opp Nep Dec 4 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Mon Sqr Sun Jan 14 2017 to Jan 30 2017
Mon Sqr Mar Feb 18 2017 to Apr 19 2017
Mon Cnj Ura Mar 9 2017 to Apr 30 2017
Jim Eshelman wrote:
(Finally, calculate all progressions of these ingresses 0/90/180, 1° orb.
Can't figure out what this means.
for context:
Jim Eshelman wrote:
These will nearly always be lunar progressions, but not always. For now, I'll only count lunar ones. There are only a few.)
Mon Opp Nep Dec 4 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Mon Sqr Sun Jan 14 2017 to Jan 30 2017
Mon Sqr Mar Feb 18 2017 to Apr 19 2017
Mon Cnj Ura Mar 9 2017 to Apr 30 2017
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:35 am by Jupiter Sets At Dawn
What SMA says is
Transits by superior planets (Mars through Pluto) to Capsolar or Cansolar angles within a 2° orb.
Transiting conjunctions, oppositions, and squares by superior planets (Mars through Pluto) to Capsolar or Cansolar Moon or progressed Moon within a 1° orb.
Progressed Capsolar or Cansolar (CapQ or CanQ) Moon conjunctions, oppositions, or squares within a 1°orb.
So, progressed lunar aspects to ingress planets? and.. what?
Again:
These will nearly always be lunar progressions, but not always.
So when these aren't lunar progressions, what are they?
What SMA says is
Transits by superior planets (Mars through Pluto) to Capsolar or Cansolar angles within a 2° orb.
Transiting conjunctions, oppositions, and squares by superior planets (Mars through Pluto) to Capsolar or Cansolar Moon or progressed Moon within a 1° orb.
Progressed Capsolar or Cansolar (CapQ or CanQ) Moon conjunctions, oppositions, or squares within a 1°orb.
So, progressed lunar aspects to ingress planets? and.. what?
Again:
These will nearly always be lunar progressions, but not always.
So when these aren't lunar progressions, what are they?
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Sat Jun 04, 2016 3:49 am by Jim Eshelman
Go with what I wrote there. - To answer your question, though.. I was making allowance for any other secondary progressions of the Capsolar/Cansolar at all. I remember keenly that the Boston Marathon explosion and several other appropriately themed events, occurred within the few days that a progressed Mars-Pluto aspect was at 0°00', and we have some major vehicular accidents that occurred within tight orb or a Mercury-Mars progressions or some such thing. But... for practical sake now, I'd say notice those if they pop up but don't get stuck on them.
From the CanQ section of the Boston Marathon bombing section in SMA:
Both locations: Another important factor (affecting surrounding events as well, including the West Fertilizer Plant explosion, violence in Bangalore, and an industrial accident in Bangladesh) was a progressed Mars-Pluto square in the Cansolar. For the Boston Marathon bombing and all of these other events, this Mars-Pluto square was at 0°00' orb. This also tied in with other events of the time, such as the inability of Congress to pass a major gun control bill, and packages of ricin delivered by mail to the White House and two U.S. Senators.
Go with what I wrote there. - To answer your question, though.. I was making allowance for any other secondary progressions of the Capsolar/Cansolar at all. I remember keenly that the Boston Marathon explosion and several other appropriately themed events, occurred within the few days that a progressed Mars-Pluto aspect was at 0°00', and we have some major vehicular accidents that occurred within tight orb or a Mercury-Mars progressions or some such thing. But... for practical sake now, I'd say notice those if they pop up but don't get stuck on them.
From the CanQ section of the Boston Marathon bombing section in SMA:
Both locations: Another important factor (affecting surrounding events as well, including the West Fertilizer Plant explosion, violence in Bangalore, and an industrial accident in Bangladesh) was a progressed Mars-Pluto square in the Cansolar. For the Boston Marathon bombing and all of these other events, this Mars-Pluto square was at 0°00' orb. This also tied in with other events of the time, such as the inability of Congress to pass a major gun control bill, and packages of ricin delivered by mail to the White House and two U.S. Senators.
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:50 am by Jupiter Sets At Dawn
OK, I don't think this thread is going in the direction I intended. Let me try again.
I think Jim would like to see a fairly decent sized group of people all following the mundane indications for different areas. I think it may take a couple of intermediate steps, but we can get there eventually.
First we need to be able to forecast. That takes crunching numbers. But we need to make it easy for people with little or no understanding of the techniques and little or no familiarity with Solar Fire to do that. So we need instructions on what point files to set up in Solar Fire and step by step (keystroke by keystroke) instructions on creating the charts and lists we need. This is what I am working on.
We need to all be doing it the same way so it's easy to compare results. Then when we find something that works better, we can all change our points files or keystrokes and change methods without a lot of fuss.
Once we know more or less how to forecast, then we need to create a sort of Astrological Mechanical Turk (AMT).
I think if we put out a call on facebook, other astrology forums and groups (including tropical) and where-ever else we can think of, for people who own Solar Fire and would be willing to crunch out some charts for a research study, we'd get a core of people helping. Most astrological studies are hindered by a lack of good birth data. This one would not be. If we've done our "this is how to do this" right, we would not need people with math skills. The biggest problem would be tropicalists and eastern astrology buffs thinking they should be able to dictate the choice of zodiacs, but I think they could be mollified with a secondary study they can participate in showing this stuff works Sidereally, and not in their preferred zodiac. (OK, here's the list of locations we're using. We'll be glad to match up your forecasts with ours and if your group's work shows your zodiac works better over the course of a year for most locations, we'll switch the main forecasting group over to it.)
I think once our AMT is up and running, people will start to see the value in it, and eventually somebody will write a program that can be run (maybe Astrodienst, maybe the US Military) to handle the number crunching. Someday, maybe the SMT forecast will be part of the two week weather report on the Sunday night news.
But for any of that vision of the future to come true, first thing we need to do is set up step by step instructions so those of us here now can run this through solar fire and come up with identical lists like so:
Mon Sqr Sun Jan 14 2017 to Jan 30 2017
Mon Sqr Mar Feb 18 2017 to Apr 19 2017
Mon Cnj Ura Mar 9 2017 to Apr 30 2017
Mon Opp Nep Dec 4 2017 to Jan 14 2018
so when we change only the location, we know we are getting accurate lists for that area.
OK, I don't think this thread is going in the direction I intended. Let me try again.
I think Jim would like to see a fairly decent sized group of people all following the mundane indications for different areas. I think it may take a couple of intermediate steps, but we can get there eventually.
First we need to be able to forecast. That takes crunching numbers. But we need to make it easy for people with little or no understanding of the techniques and little or no familiarity with Solar Fire to do that. So we need instructions on what point files to set up in Solar Fire and step by step (keystroke by keystroke) instructions on creating the charts and lists we need. This is what I am working on.
We need to all be doing it the same way so it's easy to compare results. Then when we find something that works better, we can all change our points files or keystrokes and change methods without a lot of fuss.
Once we know more or less how to forecast, then we need to create a sort of Astrological Mechanical Turk (AMT).
I think if we put out a call on facebook, other astrology forums and groups (including tropical) and where-ever else we can think of, for people who own Solar Fire and would be willing to crunch out some charts for a research study, we'd get a core of people helping. Most astrological studies are hindered by a lack of good birth data. This one would not be. If we've done our "this is how to do this" right, we would not need people with math skills. The biggest problem would be tropicalists and eastern astrology buffs thinking they should be able to dictate the choice of zodiacs, but I think they could be mollified with a secondary study they can participate in showing this stuff works Sidereally, and not in their preferred zodiac. (OK, here's the list of locations we're using. We'll be glad to match up your forecasts with ours and if your group's work shows your zodiac works better over the course of a year for most locations, we'll switch the main forecasting group over to it.)
I think once our AMT is up and running, people will start to see the value in it, and eventually somebody will write a program that can be run (maybe Astrodienst, maybe the US Military) to handle the number crunching. Someday, maybe the SMT forecast will be part of the two week weather report on the Sunday night news.
But for any of that vision of the future to come true, first thing we need to do is set up step by step instructions so those of us here now can run this through solar fire and come up with identical lists like so:
Mon Sqr Sun Jan 14 2017 to Jan 30 2017
Mon Sqr Mar Feb 18 2017 to Apr 19 2017
Mon Cnj Ura Mar 9 2017 to Apr 30 2017
Mon Opp Nep Dec 4 2017 to Jan 14 2018
so when we change only the location, we know we are getting accurate lists for that area.
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:31 pm by TheScales_BothWays
I'm TBH really eager and excited to do mundane forecasts for my area (Malaysia) ! Lunar ingresses cover the weekly news here like a charm IMHO.
Just like what JSAD said a simplification of the forecasting would really help newbies and novices to do just that. And getting more people.
And I'd absolutely love if there's some readers, especially fellow Malaysians!
Also to not get into trouble I need to keep my mouth shut in the report and try not to directly link bad forecasts to the government! Press freedom is terrible here! (The site shows M'sia at #146, not far from Russia!)
I'm TBH really eager and excited to do mundane forecasts for my area (Malaysia) ! Lunar ingresses cover the weekly news here like a charm IMHO.
Just like what JSAD said a simplification of the forecasting would really help newbies and novices to do just that. And getting more people.
And I'd absolutely love if there's some readers, especially fellow Malaysians!
Also to not get into trouble I need to keep my mouth shut in the report and try not to directly link bad forecasts to the government! Press freedom is terrible here!
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:09 pm by Jim Eshelman
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:
So we need instructions on what point files to set up in Solar Fire and step by step (keystroke by keystroke) instructions on creating the charts and lists we need. This is what I am working on.
This might help, then: For the steps I outlined above, I use the following point and aspect files:
1. Displayed Point file called SMA that has 10 planets, Ascendant, Midheaven, and Eastpoint.
2. Displayed Point file called SMA-Mundo that is the same but with the angles dropped out. (Created for displaying mundoscopes better, but also has several uses, especially simplifying the stream of what you get when you search for progressions.)
3. Displayed Point file called Angles3 that has Ascendant, Midheaven, Eastpoint.
4. Aspect Set file called Harm04 (4th harmonic aspects) that is already available in SF. The key characteristics for present purposes are that it has only 0 / 90 / 180 aspects, and the Progressed and Transit of all three of them is set to 1° under all four sub-conditions.
5. Aspect Set file named 2DegHarm04 (2° orb on Harm4) which is exactly the same as Harm4 except the Transit orbs are set to 2°.
6. Several built-in SF Displayed Point files, e.g., those for individual planets (such as Moon) and one called MarsOut that has Mars through Pluto.
Each of the processes is run independently on the Capsolar and two Cansolars overlapping in the year. I use Excel to collate these because I can sort, trim reorganize, present, etc. (There are a dozen different little Excel tricks to make each step easy, but I won't turn this into an Excel tutorial at the moment.) For everything calculated below, check the Entering/Leaving box, and delete all the Exact (X) events when you get the final list, and filter to mark and delete all squares to EP. (There are other junk entries you'll have to filter out and delete.)
To get transits to ingress angles for desired time period...
Transits to Radix, Transits are MarsOut, Radix is Angles3, aspect selection is 2DegHarm04.
To get transits to ingress/progressed Moon for desired time period...
Transits to Radix + Transits to Progs, Transits are MarsOut, Radix is Moon, Progs is Moon, aspect selection is Harm04.
To get lunar progressions for desired time period...
Progs to Radix + Progs to Progs, Radix is SMA-Mundo, Progs is SMA-Mundo, aspect selection is Harm04.
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:
So we need instructions on what point files to set up in Solar Fire and step by step (keystroke by keystroke) instructions on creating the charts and lists we need. This is what I am working on.
This might help, then: For the steps I outlined above, I use the following point and aspect files:
1. Displayed Point file called SMA that has 10 planets, Ascendant, Midheaven, and Eastpoint.
2. Displayed Point file called SMA-Mundo that is the same but with the angles dropped out. (Created for displaying mundoscopes better, but also has several uses, especially simplifying the stream of what you get when you search for progressions.)
3. Displayed Point file called Angles3 that has Ascendant, Midheaven, Eastpoint.
4. Aspect Set file called Harm04 (4th harmonic aspects) that is already available in SF. The key characteristics for present purposes are that it has only 0 / 90 / 180 aspects, and the Progressed and Transit of all three of them is set to 1° under all four sub-conditions.
5. Aspect Set file named 2DegHarm04 (2° orb on Harm4) which is exactly the same as Harm4 except the Transit orbs are set to 2°.
6. Several built-in SF Displayed Point files, e.g., those for individual planets (such as Moon) and one called MarsOut that has Mars through Pluto.
Each of the processes is run independently on the Capsolar and two Cansolars overlapping in the year. I use Excel to collate these because I can sort, trim reorganize, present, etc. (There are a dozen different little Excel tricks to make each step easy, but I won't turn this into an Excel tutorial at the moment.) For everything calculated below, check the Entering/Leaving box, and delete all the Exact (X) events when you get the final list, and filter to mark and delete all squares to EP. (There are other junk entries you'll have to filter out and delete.)
To get transits to ingress angles for desired time period...
Transits to Radix, Transits are MarsOut, Radix is Angles3, aspect selection is 2DegHarm04.
To get transits to ingress/progressed Moon for desired time period...
Transits to Radix + Transits to Progs, Transits are MarsOut, Radix is Moon, Progs is Moon, aspect selection is Harm04.
To get lunar progressions for desired time period...
Progs to Radix + Progs to Progs, Radix is SMA-Mundo, Progs is SMA-Mundo, aspect selection is Harm04.
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:09 pm by Jim Eshelman
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:
So we need instructions on what point files to set up in Solar Fire and step by step (keystroke by keystroke) instructions on creating the charts and lists we need. This is what I am working on.
This might help, then: For the steps I outlined above, I use the following point and aspect files:
1. Displayed Point file called SMA that has 10 planets, Ascendant, Midheaven, and Eastpoint.
2. Displayed Point file called SMA-Mundo that is the same but with the angles dropped out. (Created for displaying mundoscopes better, but also has several uses, especially simplifying the stream of what you get when you search for progressions.)
3. Displayed Point file called Angles3 that has Ascendant, Midheaven, Eastpoint.
4. Aspect Set file called Harm04 (4th harmonic aspects) that is already available in SF. The key characteristics for present purposes are that it has only 0 / 90 / 180 aspects, and the Progressed and Transit of all three of them is set to 1° under all four sub-conditions.
5. Aspect Set file named 2DegHarm04 (2° orb on Harm4) which is exactly the same as Harm4 except the Transit orbs are set to 2°.
6. Several built-in SF Displayed Point files, e.g., those for individual planets (such as Moon) and one called MarsOut that has Mars through Pluto.
Each of the processes is run independently on the Capsolar and two Cansolars overlapping in the year. I use Excel to collate these because I can sort, trim reorganize, present, etc. (There are a dozen different little Excel tricks to make each step easy, but I won't turn this into an Excel tutorial at the moment.) For everything calculated below, check the Entering/Leaving box, and delete all the Exact (X) events when you get the final list, and filter to mark and delete all squares to EP. (There are other junk entries you'll have to filter out and delete.)
To get transits to ingress angles for desired time period...
Transits to Radix, Transits are MarsOut, Radix is Angles3, aspect selection is 2DegHarm04.
To get transits to ingress/progressed Moon for desired time period...
Transits to Radix + Transits to Progs, Transits are MarsOut, Radix is Moon, Progs is Moon, aspect selection is Harm04.
To get lunar progressions for desired time period...
Progs to Radix + Progs to Progs, Radix is SMA-Mundo, Progs is SMA-Mundo, aspect selection is Harm04.
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:
So we need instructions on what point files to set up in Solar Fire and step by step (keystroke by keystroke) instructions on creating the charts and lists we need. This is what I am working on.
This might help, then: For the steps I outlined above, I use the following point and aspect files:
1. Displayed Point file called SMA that has 10 planets, Ascendant, Midheaven, and Eastpoint.
2. Displayed Point file called SMA-Mundo that is the same but with the angles dropped out. (Created for displaying mundoscopes better, but also has several uses, especially simplifying the stream of what you get when you search for progressions.)
3. Displayed Point file called Angles3 that has Ascendant, Midheaven, Eastpoint.
4. Aspect Set file called Harm04 (4th harmonic aspects) that is already available in SF. The key characteristics for present purposes are that it has only 0 / 90 / 180 aspects, and the Progressed and Transit of all three of them is set to 1° under all four sub-conditions.
5. Aspect Set file named 2DegHarm04 (2° orb on Harm4) which is exactly the same as Harm4 except the Transit orbs are set to 2°.
6. Several built-in SF Displayed Point files, e.g., those for individual planets (such as Moon) and one called MarsOut that has Mars through Pluto.
Each of the processes is run independently on the Capsolar and two Cansolars overlapping in the year. I use Excel to collate these because I can sort, trim reorganize, present, etc. (There are a dozen different little Excel tricks to make each step easy, but I won't turn this into an Excel tutorial at the moment.) For everything calculated below, check the Entering/Leaving box, and delete all the Exact (X) events when you get the final list, and filter to mark and delete all squares to EP. (There are other junk entries you'll have to filter out and delete.)
To get transits to ingress angles for desired time period...
Transits to Radix, Transits are MarsOut, Radix is Angles3, aspect selection is 2DegHarm04.
To get transits to ingress/progressed Moon for desired time period...
Transits to Radix + Transits to Progs, Transits are MarsOut, Radix is Moon, Progs is Moon, aspect selection is Harm04.
To get lunar progressions for desired time period...
Progs to Radix + Progs to Progs, Radix is SMA-Mundo, Progs is SMA-Mundo, aspect selection is Harm04.
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:35 pm by Jupiter Sets At Dawn
That helps! While I had a lot of it, I was past the low-hanging fruit.
Thanks.
Unless we want people to send unedited lists, I think we will eventually have to have an Excel tutorial.
That helps! While I had a lot of it, I was past the low-hanging fruit.
Thanks.
Unless we want people to send unedited lists, I think we will eventually have to have an Excel tutorial.
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:18 pm by Jupiter Sets At Dawn
Jim Eshelman wrote:
To get transits to ingress angles for desired time period...
Transits to Radix, Transits are MarsOut, Radix is Angles3, aspect selection is 2DegHarm04.
To get transits to ingress/progressed Moon for desired time period...
Transits to Radix + Transits to Progs, Transits are MarsOut, Radix is Moon, Progs is Moon, aspect selection is Harm04.
To get lunar progressions for desired time period...
Transits to Radix + Transits to Progs, Transits are MarsOut, Radix is Moon, Progs is Moon, aspect selection is Harm04.
Wait a minute.
Are transits to ingress/progressed Moon and lunar progressions supposed to be the same?
Should the lunar progressions to be
Progs to Radix + Progs to Progs, Radix is MarsOut, Progs is Moon, aspect selection is Harm04. ?
Jim Eshelman wrote:
To get transits to ingress angles for desired time period...
Transits to Radix, Transits are MarsOut, Radix is Angles3, aspect selection is 2DegHarm04.
To get transits to ingress/progressed Moon for desired time period...
Transits to Radix + Transits to Progs, Transits are MarsOut, Radix is Moon, Progs is Moon, aspect selection is Harm04.
To get lunar progressions for desired time period...
Transits to Radix + Transits to Progs, Transits are MarsOut, Radix is Moon, Progs is Moon, aspect selection is Harm04.
Wait a minute.
Are transits to ingress/progressed Moon and lunar progressions supposed to be the same?
Should the lunar progressions to be
Progs to Radix + Progs to Progs, Radix is MarsOut, Progs is Moon, aspect selection is Harm04. ?
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:33 pm by Jim Eshelman
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:
Jim Eshelman wrote:
To get transits to ingress/progressed Moon for desired time period...
Transits to Radix + Transits to Progs, Transits are MarsOut, Radix is Moon, Progs is Moon, aspect selection is Harm04.
Wait a minute. Are transits to ingress/progressed Moon and lunar progressions supposed to be the same?
Oh, yeah, I copied-pasted and somehow didn't edit it (or edited it and lost it). I'll go fix that.
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:
Should the lunar progressions to be
Progs to Radix + Progs to Progs, Radix is MarsOut, Progs is Moon, aspect selection is Harm04. ?
No: Set both Radix and Progs to SMA-Mundo. Otherwise, all good. - I want all of them, not just Mars out: They're all slow events, averaging about two months long each. Consider the halting of wars under Moon-Venus progressions, the long list of fires and other categories under Moon-Sun, etc. You also need all of them in both natal and progressed sets, since timing of Moon progressing to ingress Mars vs. progressed ingress Mars will be slightly different, and you want to get the combined, larger period.
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:
Jim Eshelman wrote:
To get transits to ingress/progressed Moon for desired time period...
Transits to Radix + Transits to Progs, Transits are MarsOut, Radix is Moon, Progs is Moon, aspect selection is Harm04.
Wait a minute. Are transits to ingress/progressed Moon and lunar progressions supposed to be the same?
Oh, yeah, I copied-pasted and somehow didn't edit it (or edited it and lost it). I'll go fix that.
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:
Should the lunar progressions to be
Progs to Radix + Progs to Progs, Radix is MarsOut, Progs is Moon, aspect selection is Harm04. ?
No: Set both Radix and Progs to SMA-Mundo. Otherwise, all good. - I want all of them, not just Mars out: They're all slow events, averaging about two months long each. Consider the halting of wars under Moon-Venus progressions, the long list of fires and other categories under Moon-Sun, etc. You also need all of them in both natal and progressed sets, since timing of Moon progressing to ingress Mars vs. progressed ingress Mars will be slightly different, and you want to get the combined, larger period.
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Sun Jun 05, 2016 5:37 pm by Jim Eshelman
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:
Unless we want people to send unedited lists, I think we will eventually have to have an Excel tutorial.
Yes. I've done this here before, but not customized to this. I think I said something above about not wanting to do it "here, right now," or some such thing.
But (sigh) yeah, you're right. When we get to that point, I'll try to capture keystroke by keystroke.
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:
Unless we want people to send unedited lists, I think we will eventually have to have an Excel tutorial.
Yes. I've done this here before, but not customized to this. I think I said something above about not wanting to do it "here, right now," or some such thing.
But (sigh) yeah, you're right. When we get to that point, I'll try to capture keystroke by keystroke.
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:58 pm by Jupiter Sets At Dawn
When do you use the SMA points set?
When do you use the SMA points set?
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Sun Jun 05, 2016 7:00 pm by Jim Eshelman
It's my default point see for most things but, specifically, when displaying ingress charts. No particular use for it in generating these lists.
It's my default point see for most things but, specifically, when displaying ingress charts. No particular use for it in generating these lists.
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:51 pm by Jupiter Sets At Dawn
At some point these:
(Finally, calculate all progressions of these ingresses 0/90/180, 1° orb. These will nearly always be lunar progressions, but not always. For now, I'll only count lunar ones. There are only a few.)
Mon Opp Nep Dec 4 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Mon Sqr Sun Jan 14 2017 to Jan 30 2017
Mon Sqr Mar Feb 18 2017 to Apr 19 2017
Mon Cnj Ura Mar 9 2017 to Apr 30 2017
got converted to these:
Nep Dec 4 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Sun Jan 14 2017 to Jan 30 2017
Mar Feb 18 2017 to Apr 19 2017
Ura Mar 9 2017 to Apr 30 2017
So you convert all the Lunar progressions to point to the planet they progress to?
If you get a non-lunar progression, do you call it out separately?
At some point these:
(Finally, calculate all progressions of these ingresses 0/90/180, 1° orb. These will nearly always be lunar progressions, but not always. For now, I'll only count lunar ones. There are only a few.)
Mon Opp Nep Dec 4 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Mon Sqr Sun Jan 14 2017 to Jan 30 2017
Mon Sqr Mar Feb 18 2017 to Apr 19 2017
Mon Cnj Ura Mar 9 2017 to Apr 30 2017
got converted to these:
Nep Dec 4 2017 to Jan 14 2018
Sun Jan 14 2017 to Jan 30 2017
Mar Feb 18 2017 to Apr 19 2017
Ura Mar 9 2017 to Apr 30 2017
So you convert all the Lunar progressions to point to the planet they progress to?
If you get a non-lunar progression, do you call it out separately?
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:07 pm by Jim Eshelman
Yes. They don't happen often.
Yes. They don't happen often.
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Re: Mundane Forecasting Mechanics
Posted Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:09 pm by Jupiter Sets At Dawn
Ktks.
Ktks.