Conception lunar return
Conception lunar return
Being very blunt here...Trying to work out the best 2021 SLR to travel to Italy in the hope that a conception will take place
My March 2 slr has the following partile aspect Moon Square Pluto (0°27’, Applying)
Transiting to natal
UraTriJup+0°25’S
MooSquVen+0°19’S
VenSquChi+0°17’A
PluTriMC+0°43’A
NepTriVen-0°16’S (indicative of the fling I will be having)
Not sure if transiting slr planets to the natal chart have any merit, I would be grateful for any insight as to the best time to travel for the purpose above, I would like to tome this right... so much is at stake here
My March 2 slr has the following partile aspect Moon Square Pluto (0°27’, Applying)
Transiting to natal
UraTriJup+0°25’S
MooSquVen+0°19’S
VenSquChi+0°17’A
PluTriMC+0°43’A
NepTriVen-0°16’S (indicative of the fling I will be having)
Not sure if transiting slr planets to the natal chart have any merit, I would be grateful for any insight as to the best time to travel for the purpose above, I would like to tome this right... so much is at stake here
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This is far too wide (over 5°) for a strong effect you want it within about 3°.Freya wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:10 am My March 2 slr has the following partile aspect Moon Square Pluto (0°27’, Applying)
Trines don't count in return charts and have little (or more like "no") consequence in transits overall.UraTriJup+0°25’S
NepTriVen-0°16’S (indicative of the fling I will be having)
You have this every monthMooSquVen+0°19’S
Trines to angles don't exist. Only conjunctions with angles exist.PluTriMC+0°43’A
They do, but only by conjunction, opposition, and square within 3° (or a bit more) when foreground (or, if not foreground, then within 1°).Not sure if transiting slr planets to the natal chart have any merit
The best thing about this chart is that transiting Venus (conjoined by Sun) is about 2° from Ascendant and Jupiter is (more widely) foreground. It would be a chart for a pleasant vacation with a focus on Venus things, so its not bad. (There are more details, but that's the big point.) It might be what you want but seems a little weak if you're trying to load all your "big guns" hopes on it. (That is, it suggests a nice, pleasurable time but not necessarily a life-altering time.)
I'll take a look at a few months as I get the chance on and off today. (Usual work day but with three online meetings scheduled so I may only have a few seconds to give to each chart.) What time frame should I look? Are you looking at the whole year, the first six months, or...?
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First impression for 2021 for you:
1. No outer planet transits that seem to affect things one way or the other.
2. I see why this man came back into your life: Checking progressions, you're just now coming through a progressed Full Moon (Moon opposite Sun); it was exact about November 1 with an orb of a month or so either side but, more importantly, marking a broader stage of life. Some common things with this aspect do include contemplating connecting / pairing / liasing with another person.
The other interesting progression of the year is progressed Moon square natal Mars (June-July) with progressed Mars exactly on your natal IC this year. This aspect is "touchy," in that it can create a lot of friction... but it's hard to beat for short-term sexual intensity where there is no particular need to maintain a relationship afterwards. We should keep this in mind as at least one possible time.
3. You have some very interesting Solar Arc directions forming. This (you may recall) have a duration of two years (1° applying, another 1° separating = 2 years), though expressing most strongly around the month they are exact. One of these is directed Jupiter square natal Mars, an aspect for physical excellence and one of the aspects most connected with giving birth. This doesn't come into orb until June, though, and would be exact a year later (and continuing a year beyond that). Just another "keep in the back of our mind" detail, since (from June on) it could suggest a "physical excellence" that comes to a peak the following year - near a possible delivery time.
The really exciting Solar Arc, though, is that your natal Moon-Venus directs to your angles this year: Moon to IC, Venus square MC. Again, this isn't exact until about a year later, but is in orb beginning August. If nothing interferes or crosses it, this seems a perfect stage of life for a pregnancy in the sense that your strong Moon-Venus square reaches an angle and, thus, a kind of fulfillment or expression.
So, considering both of these things, we have from the solar arcs some strong reasons to think 2022 has a good chance of seeing you give birth.
1. No outer planet transits that seem to affect things one way or the other.
2. I see why this man came back into your life: Checking progressions, you're just now coming through a progressed Full Moon (Moon opposite Sun); it was exact about November 1 with an orb of a month or so either side but, more importantly, marking a broader stage of life. Some common things with this aspect do include contemplating connecting / pairing / liasing with another person.
The other interesting progression of the year is progressed Moon square natal Mars (June-July) with progressed Mars exactly on your natal IC this year. This aspect is "touchy," in that it can create a lot of friction... but it's hard to beat for short-term sexual intensity where there is no particular need to maintain a relationship afterwards. We should keep this in mind as at least one possible time.
3. You have some very interesting Solar Arc directions forming. This (you may recall) have a duration of two years (1° applying, another 1° separating = 2 years), though expressing most strongly around the month they are exact. One of these is directed Jupiter square natal Mars, an aspect for physical excellence and one of the aspects most connected with giving birth. This doesn't come into orb until June, though, and would be exact a year later (and continuing a year beyond that). Just another "keep in the back of our mind" detail, since (from June on) it could suggest a "physical excellence" that comes to a peak the following year - near a possible delivery time.
The really exciting Solar Arc, though, is that your natal Moon-Venus directs to your angles this year: Moon to IC, Venus square MC. Again, this isn't exact until about a year later, but is in orb beginning August. If nothing interferes or crosses it, this seems a perfect stage of life for a pregnancy in the sense that your strong Moon-Venus square reaches an angle and, thus, a kind of fulfillment or expression.
So, considering both of these things, we have from the solar arcs some strong reasons to think 2022 has a good chance of seeing you give birth.
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Thank you so so much Jim.... I was looking at the first half of the year, although January will prove difficult as Italy is under lockdown until the 15th.
From July I will be under a more favourable SSR (I hope) but I was really looking to go sooner than that, and if it doesn’t work give it another try...
this SSR is manifesting in a deep longing to be back home. My grandmother’s house is being sold and I can’t buy it, my last vestige of a happy childhood is going and it upsets me greatly. I miss being apart from my “friend” too, and feel emotionally disconnected from my husband. I feel caged in... all moon-Saturn manifestations of this SSR so I would like to go sooner rather than later...
Just read your solar arc interpretation...this definitely makes sense and I hope it will manifest. Again I am so grateful for your insight you made my day
From July I will be under a more favourable SSR (I hope) but I was really looking to go sooner than that, and if it doesn’t work give it another try...
this SSR is manifesting in a deep longing to be back home. My grandmother’s house is being sold and I can’t buy it, my last vestige of a happy childhood is going and it upsets me greatly. I miss being apart from my “friend” too, and feel emotionally disconnected from my husband. I feel caged in... all moon-Saturn manifestations of this SSR so I would like to go sooner rather than later...
Just read your solar arc interpretation...this definitely makes sense and I hope it will manifest. Again I am so grateful for your insight you made my day
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Seeing some of these indicators popping up in June or July raises the question of where you should spend your birthday.
Your July 6, 2021 SSR for Florence is complicated. Pluto is most angular - good for conception - but there is also Saturn opposite a Venus-Mars conjunction, which can be taken in several ways (most of them not good - especially since it also squares your natal Mars-Saturn!). It might, for example, be consistent with a sexual liaison, but not one that is likely to have a good outcome. It especially accelerates conflict. Southampton, in contrast, has conflict but not nearly as much, and it adds your Jupiter near Ascendant. In this "juggling act" of matching all the factors, I'm not sure I'd suggest you spend your birthday in Italy in 2021.
Your July 6, 2021 SSR for Florence is complicated. Pluto is most angular - good for conception - but there is also Saturn opposite a Venus-Mars conjunction, which can be taken in several ways (most of them not good - especially since it also squares your natal Mars-Saturn!). It might, for example, be consistent with a sexual liaison, but not one that is likely to have a good outcome. It especially accelerates conflict. Southampton, in contrast, has conflict but not nearly as much, and it adds your Jupiter near Ascendant. In this "juggling act" of matching all the factors, I'm not sure I'd suggest you spend your birthday in Italy in 2021.
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Taking a shotgun quick look through a year of SLRs for Florence... Each of these begins a four-week window.
January 6: Worth coming back for a look. Jupiter and Moon are probably closest, including your natal Moon-Venus, with Saturn nearby (but I remember not wanting to highlight Saturn to your Mercury-Pluto, wanting to clear January to avoid limitations and other problems).
February 2: No. More heartbreak than happiness, things don't go as expected.
March 2: As mentioned above, this is positive-leaning mixed. On the right track but not overly exciting.
Apr 26: Worth coming back for a look with Jupiter rising.
May 23: Oooh, first impression is a perfect romantic dalliance get-away! Venus exactly on MC, Neptune setting.
June 19: Possibilities.
July 17: Neptune... but mostly in confusion, travel mucked up, etc. Avoid.
As we go into the second half of the year, we move away from your ideal time and, on the other hand, closer to the zone that would be nine months ahead of the best "giving birth" Solar Arcs. But I'll only mention the most important charts.
Oct 7: Avoid! Don't go to Italy.
Nov 3: Venus rising and other indications make this a happy month if you were there, with more good intensity than most of the others... but it's probably too late in the year. Nonetheless, a good SLR to have in Italy, I think (if there is some other reason).
January 6: Worth coming back for a look. Jupiter and Moon are probably closest, including your natal Moon-Venus, with Saturn nearby (but I remember not wanting to highlight Saturn to your Mercury-Pluto, wanting to clear January to avoid limitations and other problems).
February 2: No. More heartbreak than happiness, things don't go as expected.
March 2: As mentioned above, this is positive-leaning mixed. On the right track but not overly exciting.
Apr 26: Worth coming back for a look with Jupiter rising.
May 23: Oooh, first impression is a perfect romantic dalliance get-away! Venus exactly on MC, Neptune setting.
June 19: Possibilities.
July 17: Neptune... but mostly in confusion, travel mucked up, etc. Avoid.
As we go into the second half of the year, we move away from your ideal time and, on the other hand, closer to the zone that would be nine months ahead of the best "giving birth" Solar Arcs. But I'll only mention the most important charts.
Oct 7: Avoid! Don't go to Italy.
Nov 3: Venus rising and other indications make this a happy month if you were there, with more good intensity than most of the others... but it's probably too late in the year. Nonetheless, a good SLR to have in Italy, I think (if there is some other reason).
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Omg thank you, I definitely won’t spend my birthday in Florence if that’s the case! The last thing I want is to get caught red handed... thank you for the warning
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Thank you so so much for this, I really appreciate you taking the time to give me some structure and hope for the year ahead. I will definitely go between April and May, and hope for the best. Again thank you so much for helping me interpret my charts... it feels like a veil has been lifted.. if I were there I would give you a hug! Thank you!
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Jupiter is 0°04' from Ascendant for Florence. This looks "lucky." You natal chart isn't much connected (and not strongly), though. It has its advantages, but not necessarily for sex and conception. (Ooh, but transiting Venus is 0°00' from opposite your Mars. Perhaps this is the anticipation month?)Jim Eshelman wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:05 am Apr 26: Worth coming back for a look with Jupiter rising.
Venus is 0°29' from MC, Neptune 3° from Descendant. Nothing natal strongly angular, though your Uranus is widely angular. There are indications of background conflicts - not a surprise, since you're going back near your family and are also probably creating difficulty with your husband, but these are the background - the backdrop - not the lead considerations. It does seem that some secure or old things are breaking up. But the main message, "Oh, this is exotic and I want to party!" Mars transits to your Sun, Moon, and Venus are eye-catching.May 23: Oooh, first impression is a perfect romantic dalliance get-away! Venus exactly on MC, Neptune setting.
Pluto rising 1°19' above Ascendant, Venus 1°56' below Descendant, they are in 3° mundane opposition. The chart has conflict (a widely foreground Mars-Saturn opposition). Venus is exactly conjunct your Venus. -- This chart is probably better for conception, whereas the last one is better for "fantasy fling." Venus-Pluto charts like this often show life-altering Venus experiences, especially "firsts" like surrendering one's virginity, or either (both?) eloping and/or divorcing, and certainly conception is one of the possibilities. These aren't exact predictions, just an example of the kind of "first, or decisive, or 'no going back now,' or life-altering" possibilities.June 19: Possibilities.
I think these last two are the best, then. How long could you spend there? Just a week or so? If you could spend five or six weeks, you could have both of these lunar returns (May 23 and June 19) in Italy (just leave before your birthday). One possible scenario from these back-to-back charts is that you have a glorious affair for the weeks following May 23 (making sure you are in Italy for the SLR) and then, soon after June 19, discover you are pregnant and leave. (These are not exact predictions, and certainly are not promises. I'm just giving examples.)
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If the above is correct, your impregnation would occur in the four weeks following May 23 - say, early June - and you would get confirmation soon after June 19, especially if you are still there. If this is true, then birth would be expected approximately March, 2022.
In March 2022 you have a progressed Moon-Venus opposition. It's actually exact April 7, with an orb of one month earlier to one month later. That could be a reaffirmation of your natal Moon-Venus and bringing it to term (so to speak). [I laugh a moment because April 7 has a Mars-Saturn conjunction in Capricorn: It would not be surprising if you had a child with a Mars-Saturn conjunction like your own. But I get ahead of myself...]
Looking at your important Solar Arcs for that time, directed Jupiter is 10' from square your Mars. Directed Moon is 21' from your natal IC, directed Venus well within 1° of square your MC (41'). We're hitting the right period.
One thing disturbs me: Your lunar returns through spring 2022 don't have (what I think would be) particular indications of giving birth, either for England or Italy. If I get a chance, I'll dig into this some more.
In March 2022 you have a progressed Moon-Venus opposition. It's actually exact April 7, with an orb of one month earlier to one month later. That could be a reaffirmation of your natal Moon-Venus and bringing it to term (so to speak). [I laugh a moment because April 7 has a Mars-Saturn conjunction in Capricorn: It would not be surprising if you had a child with a Mars-Saturn conjunction like your own. But I get ahead of myself...]
Looking at your important Solar Arcs for that time, directed Jupiter is 10' from square your Mars. Directed Moon is 21' from your natal IC, directed Venus well within 1° of square your MC (41'). We're hitting the right period.
One thing disturbs me: Your lunar returns through spring 2022 don't have (what I think would be) particular indications of giving birth, either for England or Italy. If I get a chance, I'll dig into this some more.
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Wow THANK YOU....I am keeping my fingers crossed that there is the necessary symbolism to tie all this together... isn’t what you already found enough? Maybe we need his birth time as well?
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My thoughts:Freya wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:09 am Wow THANK YOU....I am keeping my fingers crossed that there is the necessary symbolism to tie all this together... isn’t what you already found enough? Maybe we need his birth time as well?
Don't make it complicated. Keep his chart out of it.
Besides, you're not involving him in the pregnancy and child, right? So that part of it is a non-event for him.
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Yes that’s true, I am not involving him... maybe his chart would be relevant only at the moment of conception but not afterwards. Do you think we have enough or is the lack of symbolism in the lunar returns of particular concern?
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You're not going to like my answer...Freya wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:28 am Yes that’s true, I am not involving him... maybe his chart would be relevant only at the moment of conception but not afterwards. Do you think we have enough or is the lack of symbolism in the lunar returns of particular concern?
I think there will be no certainty in advance, only after the fact. I think there will be surprises along the way and sudden surprise turns not expected (for example, that we don't know where you will be when and what other events will happen along the way).
Nonetheless, maybe others will have some view on these charts or others.
I'm not overly concerned about charts for a birth until we already know there has been a conception.
But I don't think we're going to have any certainty until after the fact.
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I totally understand Jim, we don’t know what the future holds. Your analysis has certainly given me some hope that there will be better times ahead in 2021, which gives me something to look forward to. I really needed this right now and I am grateful
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I assume based on the above that February is a bad month in general, even to sit an exam? I have a choice between January or February for this exam, I assume January is the better option?February 2: No. More heartbreak than happiness, things don't go as expected.
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Remember that these charts are cast for Italy and have to be separately examined for each possible location.Freya wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:43 amI assume based on the above that February is a bad month in general, even to sit an exam? I have a choice between January or February for this exam, I assume January is the better option?February 2: No. More heartbreak than happiness, things don't go as expected.
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Gosh I had forgotten they were cast for Florence, thank you for reminding me!
Out of curiosity, are the February and October SLRs particularly malefic in general, or are they malefic for conception only?
Just a thought... would it be possible that something that isn’t displayed in a predictive technique is displayed in another, and if so should we be looking at the same technique throughout?
By this I mean, if you see a birth with solar arc, shouldn’t solar arc also display the period of conception?
Trying to work out the discrepancy between the slrs being favourable for conception but not indicative of anything remarkable later on.
Maybe a stronger indicator is in the solar arc or primary/secondary directions? Or even looking at Ceres?
When I miscarried my SLRs weren’t indicative of the total devastation I felt but the solar arc was... could one technique apply to someone’s life more than another?
Sorry for bombarding you with questions....I ask myself this very often... I have been look at solar and lunar returns when maybe something else is more precise and I should be looking at that first... I would love to know your thoughts.. thank you..
Out of curiosity, are the February and October SLRs particularly malefic in general, or are they malefic for conception only?
Just a thought... would it be possible that something that isn’t displayed in a predictive technique is displayed in another, and if so should we be looking at the same technique throughout?
By this I mean, if you see a birth with solar arc, shouldn’t solar arc also display the period of conception?
Trying to work out the discrepancy between the slrs being favourable for conception but not indicative of anything remarkable later on.
Maybe a stronger indicator is in the solar arc or primary/secondary directions? Or even looking at Ceres?
When I miscarried my SLRs weren’t indicative of the total devastation I felt but the solar arc was... could one technique apply to someone’s life more than another?
Sorry for bombarding you with questions....I ask myself this very often... I have been look at solar and lunar returns when maybe something else is more precise and I should be looking at that first... I would love to know your thoughts.. thank you..
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Update.... due to quarantine and travel restrictions I won’t be able to go this month, February and March.
So we are looking at April, if lucky, but my gut feeling is that travel restrictions won’t be eased then.
I think I am looking at May June July August September realistically
I ovulate around the 18th of every month so if I go in April it would fall under the March return. it’s really long, from March 2nd to April 26th... I noticed there is another return starting on 29 Mar 2021 at 14:08 (GMT) with Jupiter on the ascendant, not sure if this is the same as the April 26 one
From re reading the posts it seems to be better to go around May 18th anyway... but it’s out of my hands right now due to travel restrictions
So we are looking at April, if lucky, but my gut feeling is that travel restrictions won’t be eased then.
I think I am looking at May June July August September realistically
I ovulate around the 18th of every month so if I go in April it would fall under the March return. it’s really long, from March 2nd to April 26th... I noticed there is another return starting on 29 Mar 2021 at 14:08 (GMT) with Jupiter on the ascendant, not sure if this is the same as the April 26 one
From re reading the posts it seems to be better to go around May 18th anyway... but it’s out of my hands right now due to travel restrictions
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We all have a new lunar return about every 27 days. You have them March 2, March 29, April 26, May 23, etc.Freya wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:08 am I ovulate around the 18th of every month so if I go in April it would fall under the March return. it’s really long, from March 2nd to April 26th... I noticed there is another return starting on 29 Mar 2021 at 14:08 (GMT) with Jupiter on the ascendant, not sure if this is the same as the April 26 one
Keep us posted on the situation, of course. I think we're going to be deep in this pandemic most of this year but some things should start lightening up as the vaccine rolls around more. Jupiter transits to Capsolar Moon begin in February, so there may be some significant improvement about then; but, as you say, we really just need to wait and see.
Great Britain just had its no solar return. It's still rough but it's not as rough as last year's, so conditions also should be in the "rough but not as rough" category.
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Thank you so much Jim...There are strict quarantine rules in Italy that have been extended until March 5th which make it impossible to travel there. I would have thought that realistically I am looking at June onwards, in the summer months, until September as that’s when restrictions were eased last year. At least I will be out of this negative SSR and into the Jupiter Uranus dasa period... unless something else is looming. I hope the restrictions will be eased by the summer be otherwise my plan won’t work.... and it’s pretty much the only thing that keeps me going at the moment. BTW Did Italy have a capsolar?
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The Capsolar is world-wide. Everywhere has a Capsolar. Just cast the chart, then relocate it to anywhere else you want to look at. The CapSolar occured January 14, 2021 at 6:33:10 PM in Washington DC. Moving to London, it occured at 11:33:10 PM.
Rome 12:33:10 AM on the 15th.
And so on.
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For Rome, representative of the whole of Italy, the exact Sun-Pluto conjunction is angular along with Mars. It looks pretty bad. The Rome Capsolar features the following:
Mars on WP 0°56' [conj. non-foreground Uranus 2°06' mundo]
Pluto sq. Asc 0°59'
Sun sq. Asc 1°21'
Jupiter & Saturn more widely foreground
Sun-Pluto conj. 0°06' mundo
Mars-Saturn sq. 0°34'
Mars-Jupiter sq. 1°34' mundo
Jupiter-Saturn conj. 2°47'
-- Jupiter sq. non-foreground Uranus 0°42'
Mars on WP 0°56' [conj. non-foreground Uranus 2°06' mundo]
Pluto sq. Asc 0°59'
Sun sq. Asc 1°21'
Jupiter & Saturn more widely foreground
Sun-Pluto conj. 0°06' mundo
Mars-Saturn sq. 0°34'
Mars-Jupiter sq. 1°34' mundo
Jupiter-Saturn conj. 2°47'
-- Jupiter sq. non-foreground Uranus 0°42'
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Oh my god it looks awful... are these capsolars what you would expect in in a war? Are they similar to the capsolars in WW1 and WW2?
The Rome one looks frightening
The Rome one looks frightening
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They do resemble a war chart, and the U.S. charts make a lot more sense through 2021 if we were in war.Freya wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:20 pm Oh my god it looks awful... are these capsolars what you would expect in in a war? Are they similar to the capsolars in WW1 and WW2?
The Rome one looks frightening
I think it highly unlikely, though, that a serious international war would erupt while the world is still deep in a pandemic. I think it more likely that this shows horrible pain, sickness, and death from disease - things that feel much the same as if it were war. In the U.S., the worst period will be March through July.
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I never thought I would be writing this.... but a miracle has happened. I am pregnant! I couldn’t believe it as we have been given a 5% chance to conceive naturally... feels like I have won the lottery. I got pregnant on/around Jan 17th in Southampton (can’t travel due to national lockdown). January has been a shit month, with a terrible argument and the breakup of a 20 year friendship with my best friend. Since then I started having panic attacks and heart palpitations and ectopic heartbeats from stress. I would have never thought I would get pregnant naturally, let alone in a month like this. I am over the moon and shock at the same time. I can’t believe it!!!
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What beautiful news!! Im so happy to hear this. Stay away from stress as best you can and focus on sending love to yourself and your miracle. I had been pulling for an ol fashioned miracle
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Whereas I think that's the exact time I would start a war, when everybody else is busy paying attention to death rates from disease.Jim Eshelman wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:47 pm I think it highly unlikely, though, that a serious international war would erupt while the world is still deep in a pandemic. I think it more likely that this shows horrible pain, sickness, and death from disease - things that feel much the same as if it were war. In the U.S., the worst period will be March through July.
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I truly cannot believe this, my current SSR is dire for pregnancy.... this is a natural pregnancy ( the first in my life) with only a 5% chance to get pregnant naturally. I can’t believe this!
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Oh this is wonderful news! I'm so pleased for you.
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This is fantastic news. Congratulations!
Your January 6 lunar return was NOT one I'd have expected this under (though technically it's mixed). However, your current (February 2) SLR is quite good for learning about it, especially with Moon 1° from Ascendant (i.e., your Moon-Venus square right on the angles). - Yes, I see the "shit month" with your prior lunar and demi-lunar both showing separation and the January 20 Demi especially showing explosive confrontation.
But your new lunar shows off your natal Moon-Venus square. Yippee!
Speaking of maternity, your progressed Moon is (right this minute) 27°44' Capricorn, meaning it has been crossing your natal Westpoint. I'd have thought this a more minor factor and wouldn't have picked it (but it seems I would have been wrong).
Your January 6 lunar return was NOT one I'd have expected this under (though technically it's mixed). However, your current (February 2) SLR is quite good for learning about it, especially with Moon 1° from Ascendant (i.e., your Moon-Venus square right on the angles). - Yes, I see the "shit month" with your prior lunar and demi-lunar both showing separation and the January 20 Demi especially showing explosive confrontation.
But your new lunar shows off your natal Moon-Venus square. Yippee!
Speaking of maternity, your progressed Moon is (right this minute) 27°44' Capricorn, meaning it has been crossing your natal Westpoint. I'd have thought this a more minor factor and wouldn't have picked it (but it seems I would have been wrong).
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Freya, this is such Wonderful news! Congratulation!!!
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For Southampton:
SSR ASC 28,35 Virgo
SSR Jupiter 28,18 Sag
SSR Pluto 28,56 Sag
Because your SSR Jupiter is partile conjunct your SSR Pluto and angular partile 90 SSR ASC, this qualifies as Jim’s “outstanding incident” SSR pertaining to strictly Jupiter-Pluto!!! Certain early Siderealist stated Jupiter-Pluto combos were classed as incredible lucky situations. With the probability only 5% for a natural pregnancy, we can clearly see this angular SSR Jupiter-Pluto brought you this ‘incredible luck’ for a natural pregnancy. And, I am sure in your mind you deem this as a ‘miracle.’ Donald Bradly, a great Siderealist, wrote about Pluto from his book Solar and Lunar Returns for angular Pluto:
Anyway Freya, I am so happy for you because I know you were about to die of depression with that angular SSR Moon conjunct SSR Saturn in your current SSR.
Yes, your SSR was dire for pregnancy with SSR Moon & Saturn angular for the depressed circumstances you would experience during your solar year, but I would like to point out something which I believe symbolized this “miracle” pregnancy in your current SSR.I truly cannot believe this, my current SSR is dire for pregnancy.... this is a natural pregnancy ( the first in my life) with only a 5% chance to get pregnant naturally. I can’t believe this!
For Southampton:
SSR ASC 28,35 Virgo
SSR Jupiter 28,18 Sag
SSR Pluto 28,56 Sag
Because your SSR Jupiter is partile conjunct your SSR Pluto and angular partile 90 SSR ASC, this qualifies as Jim’s “outstanding incident” SSR pertaining to strictly Jupiter-Pluto!!! Certain early Siderealist stated Jupiter-Pluto combos were classed as incredible lucky situations. With the probability only 5% for a natural pregnancy, we can clearly see this angular SSR Jupiter-Pluto brought you this ‘incredible luck’ for a natural pregnancy. And, I am sure in your mind you deem this as a ‘miracle.’ Donald Bradly, a great Siderealist, wrote about Pluto from his book Solar and Lunar Returns for angular Pluto:
And with your SSR Pluto partile conjunct SSR Jupiter and angular (partile), we can clearly see this “miracle” pregnancy for your life. But what explains more precise timing symbolism for it happening now at this time in your solar year???? The only timing mechanism I see for this “now” in your solar year is converse SSR Secondary Progressed Moon is “now” partile conjunct your SSR Jupiter-Pluto partile conjunction. I have virtually no experience with converse SSR Moon’s, maybe Jim or other members who do have experience with Converse Charts could elaborate further about Converse Charts.Pluto also is prominent with regard to “miracles” and inexplicable phenomena….
Anyway Freya, I am so happy for you because I know you were about to die of depression with that angular SSR Moon conjunct SSR Saturn in your current SSR.
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Re: Conception lunar return
40 weeks after January 17 is October 3 (as a theoretical date). If everything goes full term, transiting Jupiter crosses your natal WP about then and squares Venus a couple of days before. Presuming your birth time is correct, this is also about the time your solar arc Moon-Venus moves in orb of your natal MC.
I think birth might come on time or a little early. Your September 9 SLR has Venus at MC atop natal Pluto with natal Neptune rising. This sounds like a fundamentally Venus event with powerful emotion. Your September 22 Demi-lunar has a pattern you can only see in the mundoscope:
Moon on Asc -0°35'
Venus on Dsc -2°45'
Uranus on Asc -5°19'
Moon-Venus op. 2°10'
Venus-Uranus op. 2°34'
Ve = Mo/Ur 0°22'
These speak to a Moon-Venus event between September 21 and October 6.
Your SNQ has progressed Venus on MC September 24. A transiting Venus-Uranus opposition aligns with your Southampton natal MC the same day. (SQ MC touches your natal Moon-Venus a couple of days earlier.)
I think you might have a Virgo-Aries baby on its way.
BTW, neither you nor your husband (based on Moon-sign) have a bias toward having boys vs. girls, so it's a 50-50 chance either way.
I think birth might come on time or a little early. Your September 9 SLR has Venus at MC atop natal Pluto with natal Neptune rising. This sounds like a fundamentally Venus event with powerful emotion. Your September 22 Demi-lunar has a pattern you can only see in the mundoscope:
Moon on Asc -0°35'
Venus on Dsc -2°45'
Uranus on Asc -5°19'
Moon-Venus op. 2°10'
Venus-Uranus op. 2°34'
Ve = Mo/Ur 0°22'
These speak to a Moon-Venus event between September 21 and October 6.
Your SNQ has progressed Venus on MC September 24. A transiting Venus-Uranus opposition aligns with your Southampton natal MC the same day. (SQ MC touches your natal Moon-Venus a couple of days earlier.)
I think you might have a Virgo-Aries baby on its way.
BTW, neither you nor your husband (based on Moon-sign) have a bias toward having boys vs. girls, so it's a 50-50 chance either way.
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Re: Conception lunar return
So happy for you Freya, this is wonderful news.
Wishing you happiness during your pregnancy and waving to you from across the channel.
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Wishing you happiness during your pregnancy and waving to you from across the channel.
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Congratulations, Freya! Amazing news!
Hoping for the absolute best for you.
Hoping for the absolute best for you.
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Thank you all for your wishes. I hope this will be a smooth pregnancy, despite my current SSR...
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You will be alright Freya as you have a good SSR with t.Jupiter the most angular.
To give you an example, my 2014 SSR also had t.Moon, t.Jupiter and t.Saturn angular with Jupiter leading.
It was by far one of my better years.
Wishing you a smooth pregnancy and enjoy it very much.
Regards,
Flo
To give you an example, my 2014 SSR also had t.Moon, t.Jupiter and t.Saturn angular with Jupiter leading.
It was by far one of my better years.
Wishing you a smooth pregnancy and enjoy it very much.
Regards,
Flo
Re: Conception lunar return
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Your 2021 SSR in Southampton has your Natal Jupiter angular your 2021 SSR . Jim teaches Natal Planets angular in SSR's is a strong indicator how the native reacts to SSR symbolism. Your 2021 secondary progressed 2021 SSR Moon partile 180 Natal Uranus for thrill & excitement near due date of birth.I hope this will be a smooth pregnancy,
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Agreed: My concern over the current year (now until your July birthday) is the Moon-Saturn conjunction straddling IC. My concern is that this specifically seems to address maternity, so I didn't want to get your enthusiasms up for what could be a serious personal disappointment.SteveS wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:35 am Freya wrote:Your 2021 SSR in Southampton has your Natal Jupiter angular your 2021 SSR . Jim teaches Natal Planets angular in SSR's is a strong indicator how the native reacts to SSR symbolism. Your 2021 secondary progressed 2021 SSR Moon partile 180 Natal Uranus for thrill & excitement near due date of birth.I hope this will be a smooth pregnancy,
But it also has Jupiter square Ascendant 0°17' as part of a precise Jupiter-Pluto conjunction square Asc - often a "windfall miracle." There are multiple, conflicting messages in the current SSR, but one of those conflicting messages is solidly positive.
Similarly, your next one has mixed messages. I didn't want to wrongly get your hopes up given a Venus-Saturn opposition, but it's not quite foreground, while your natal Jupiter is rising. Here are all the transiting and natal planet angularities for your July 6, 2021 SSR. (Remember: Bradley's statistics on childbirth in the late '40s and early '50s showed natal and transiting Moon and benefics common, Saturn indifferent, and natal and transiting Mars and Neptune uncommon in lunar returns. It wasn't studied for solar returns, though the principles are likely similar. I think that in the intervening decades, with surgical procedures becoming more routine, Mars might be more common than it used to be.) Here's the breakdown (all natal planets - no transiting planets angular - note that natal Jupiter is the only planet within the 3° range that is strongest):
r Sun on Dsc -6°21'
r Saturn on MC -4°39'
r Jupiter on Asc -2°18'
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r Neptune on Asc +4°00'
r Pluto on MC +4°05'
These form a series of fascinating ecliptical and mundane aspects! It's as if you have new aspects in your natal chart because of how these mundane aspects form. The most fascinating is a 0°05' Neptune-Pluto square, between natal Neptune 4°00' past Asc and natal Pluto 4°05' past MC.
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You were right Jim about this solar. I just had a miscarriage. So this “miracle” was very short lived... I am devastated
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It’s actually turned out worse than the miscarriage last year, which I passed naturally. I am going in for emergency surgery tomorrow
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I am so sorry to hear this, Freya. (One doesn't always want to be right.) - We'll keep you in our thoughts as you go for surgery.Freya wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 5:24 am You were right Jim about this solar. I just had a miscarriage. So this “miracle” was very short lived... I am devastated
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Thank you Jim, I am losing faith in the universe to be honest. I guess any attempts until my birthday are doomed? Or is the next SSR just as bad for maternity?
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I'd not call it "doomed" with Jupiter the strongest planet. Here's my original opinion on your next SSR, posted above.Freya wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:20 am Thank you Jim, I am losing faith in the universe to be honest. I guess any attempts until my birthday are doomed? Or is the next SSR just as bad for maternity?
Jim Eshelman wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:23 am Similarly, your next one has mixed messages. I didn't want to wrongly get your hopes up given a Venus-Saturn opposition, but it's not quite foreground, while your natal Jupiter is rising. Here are all the transiting and natal planet angularities for your July 6, 2021 SSR. (Remember: Bradley's statistics on childbirth in the late '40s and early '50s showed natal and transiting Moon and benefics common, Saturn indifferent, and natal and transiting Mars and Neptune uncommon in lunar returns. It wasn't studied for solar returns, though the principles are likely similar. I think that in the intervening decades, with surgical procedures becoming more routine, Mars might be more common than it used to be.) Here's the breakdown (all natal planets - no transiting planets angular - note that natal Jupiter is the only planet within the 3° range that is strongest):
r Sun on Dsc -6°21'
r Saturn on MC -4°39'
r Jupiter on Asc -2°18'
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r Neptune on Asc +4°00'
r Pluto on MC +4°05'
These form a series of fascinating ecliptical and mundane aspects! It's as if you have new aspects in your natal chart because of how these mundane aspects form. The most fascinating is a 0°05' Neptune-Pluto square, between natal Neptune 4°00' past Asc and natal Pluto 4°05' past MC.
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Freya,
I'm so sorry.
You'll be in my thoughts.
I'm so sorry.
You'll be in my thoughts.
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Im so sorry.Freya wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:04 am It’s actually turned out worse than the miscarriage last year, which I passed naturally. I am going in for emergency surgery tomorrow
You are in my thoughts and prayers.