Moon in Virgo sign project

[Jim Eshelman]

Welcome to the Moon in Virgo discussions project, which will run September 17 - October 17, 2018 (and then will remain around in case people want to revisit it in the future). Please gather your list of Moon in Virgo people (especially those you know personally) and join us.

Here are Moon in Virgo interpretive resources on the forum:
Primary section: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=34#p147
Cyril Fagan: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=105&p=636#p659
Garth Allen: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=33#p135
Manilius: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=121#p743

My current concise summary of Moon in Virgo (always subject to change) reads:

Intellectual, strategic, analytical, calculating, data-driven, efficient. Intuitive, bizarrely illogical (moody, resistant). Plays victim & retaliates (abuse, betrayal). Service, loyal, devoted, contributing. Courageous. Innocent, simple, modest; expects respect. Romantic, flirtatious; shy. Too serious. Nervous sensitivity.

Here is other material that may be of interest in this regard:
Notes on Virgo (Garth Allen) https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1978#p14102
Virgo https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1111
Sidereal Virgo & Health https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=434

[sotonye]

I know two Virgo Moons intimately, one is a pretty girl I was involved with and the other is a close associate. Both seem to have some pretense to erudition and try their absolute best to speak in a high-flown fashion, but to the result of appearing a little ridiculous. Their own friends have an issue with this and have told me on several occasions that they try to appear intellectual, that they try to, "seem deep," and while I don't have any issue with that, it does seem true. (The reason why I have no issue being that they do try their best in conversation and have a great appreciation for communication they consider decent). Both are social to a fault and will go out of their way to keep the company of any society despite how contrary those little coteries are to their own definitions of quality. In short they keep bad company and know it well, in fact they will even list the sins of all their mates as if they were the only things true about them. They do seem to tolerate quite a bit from others as outlined by the Moon Constellation resource, and I know this partly because I am a bit absurd and will occasionally test their limits in this respect, and partly because the abuses and losses they suffered at home were quite severe and yet they still found a way to preserve. The same is true with respect to the abuses they've suffered in romance, they seem very quick to forgive, more than quick, it's as if the abuses never happened the moment after they occur. In close correspondence with this behavior, they also seem very quick to lend a helping hand and are perhaps more caring than they would like to admit.

This is all I can think of for now

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Other than people here, I know one Moon in Virgo well. I don't know her birth time but this is a Sun in Taurus partile conjunct Mercury holding a close sextile with a class two Saturn Mars conjunction in Leo. Jupiter is square Pluto, and trine Uranus. Pluto is a partile inconjunct from Neptune, which I don't think matters. Venus is unaspected. The Moon is probably unaspected.

She works as a nurse in the emergency room at an Internationally Known Prestigious Hospital, which she will be happy to mention. She believes this gives her superior medical and health knowledge. She works the night shift by choice, but complains about it constantly.

She's a delicate flower with many allergies, so she controls choice of restaurant and even what other people cook. She claims to be very fair skinned and prone to sunburn although most would consider her olive-complected. She's taken enough time off work for migraines and respiratory concerns to endanger her job, although she won't see a doctor for either. She has free medical care through her job but does not choose to use it.

She loves to travel and does a lot of if with extended family and groups of friends. She attends many conferences and seminars through her job. She buys expensive clothes and lots of makeup and everybody knows exactly how much her bras cost, which she claims she must pay because she's so “well-endowed.” She's also clinically obese, but if she lost weight she'd lose the “well-endowed” too. She drives a fancy German car but complains about how much it costs to keep on the road. She was born in Hawaii, and wants to be seen as exotic, but has no Hawaiian or Asian blood. She likes to "hula" but whether or not that's what she's actually doing is a matter of opinion.

She claims to be often taken advantage of romantically while going through husbands, her own and other people's, at a fair rate. She is very concerned with the appearance of propriety and was very upset after being convicted for felony fraud someone sent a copy of the conviction documents to her parents, who were unaware of her peccadilloes, other than that one husband who took all the furniture when he moved out.

I think a lot of this stuff has nothing to do with her Virgo Moon.

She is willing to research medical problems and offer advice on the best doctor or surgeon. She likes animals, although she doesn't really spend enough time at home to keep a pet. She likes to garden, but now just keeps a few planters on her back deck where they can be watered by a sprinkler on a timer.

[Jim Eshelman]

Over the last couple of days, elsewhere I was in a long online discussion about the history of the Democratic Party, which seems to have had its start from Andrew Jackson's first campaign speech (outlining the political principles from which the party formed around him) January 8, 1828, 6:30 PM, Concord, NH.

The Sagittarius Sun is quite interesting and complex. For one, the donkey which was later used as a pejorative against the party, and then taken up as its symbol, is species equus, i.e., it's a variety of horse; so Sagittarius is the only constellation that expresses the symbolism that was so naturally taken up by the party.

Where Sagittarius is more complicated is that the party was founded to stand against elitists and to maximize the full Democracy of voter participation across classes. This is quite un-Sagittarius. Against this, I say two things: First, despite its historic principles standing against elitism, it's hardly been free of the same trait itself. Second, this Sagittarius Sun is conjoined by Neptune and opposed by Saturn, so does rightly symbolize an assault on things Sagittarian.

But my main reason for posting this here isn't the Sagittarius Sun - it's the Virgo Moon. The party was founded in support of virgonian social principles, especially in support of the common person, and in support of labors - especially farmers in the south and industrial laborers in the north. Mostly, it has continued 190 years in alliance with these groups (not so much in the last election) and other groups of similar symbolism, including labor unions and the health industry.

[Veronica]

Moon in Virgo:
I don’t have any people in my life with Moon in Virgo to share.
I have though spent the past 5 years in a relationship with a man, and according to our composite midpoint chart my natal moon in Scorpio and his natal moon in cancer are sitting in Virgo moon.
I spent some time looking over the links regarding this aspect and I would say that for an indicator of how our joint moon is in our relationship this aspect is quite right. If I read the summaries and instead of thinking of how they are for an individual and think of them as our moon dynamic it is very telling on how our relationship subconsciously played out, with both the good and the not so good. Im not sure if this really qualifies for what you are looking for in contributions, but I thought I would chimes in and at least say, from what I read of the summaries and from all the links provided it feels true to me that our relationship Virgo Moon fits the bill, although I do also have to take into account that our moon is conjunct Pluto, as well as the fact that our own natural moons (Scorpio and cancer) adds flavor to this dynamic.
I also think that in this aspect we do have a very uncanny and deep ESP like sense, more so then I have ever experienced. Also I can say that I personally have never worked better with someone in our financial ventures, we seemed to be able to capitalize on all the intellectual aspects we both brought to the table and uncanninagly motivated and encouraged each other to work harder and smarter in our field. For us I also see we had a very active tit for tat kinda of childish hurt feelings that I think played out in unspoken affronts to our ego, things that we built up and conconcted in our our minds that were not based on real truths but subjective fears and other negative emotions that arose most likely from the strong connection to pluto as well as our own personal nativity.

[Mike V]

Virgo Moon, chiming in at the end here...

"Virgo rapidly assimilates the multitude of details surrounding a new person, idea, or situation, and with equal speed leaps at the core meaning or underlying principle to enhance his understanding."

That single sentence is one of the best descriptors of Virgo Moon that I've seen, and is essentially a particular phrasing of what my current articulation of my life purpose is.

I've also strongly identified with the whole "emotions infused with logic, logic infused with emotions" theme of Moon-Mercury, and of using intellectual understanding as a shield against emotional experience.

I can relate to much, though not all of what Av said regarding early life experiences, though I was never physically beaten up in school. I definitely identify with the "takes a lot of abuse" concept; I tend to be willing to accept a lot of sh*t before I bail.
I have a large vocabulary, read voraciously, learn very quickly. Languages have come easily to me throughout life, both spoken languages and programming languages. I relate to Av on all of these.

The "crazy spells" thing is, for me, experienced as a wave of emotions breaking free of conscious control, and either surrendering to a reactive state of mind, or dissociating from it (which feels, in all ways, worse than just being reactive for a time). In any case, I don't really seem to get the "suddenly irrational" thing anymore, though I used to when I was younger.
I can also resonate with some of what JSAD describes in his Virgo Moon contact, regarding generally illogical, self-victimizing, and avoidant behavior. However, in all of this, I have trouble separating Virgo Moon traits from those of my 7' Moon-Neptune square, and 2*35' Moon-Saturn square.

I have the emotional and cerebral sensitivity, orientation towards an "inner fantasy realm," response when stressed, etc. I'm not particularly allergic or sensitive to food, etc, except insofar as I am very sensitive to drugs - caffeine, alcohol, nicotine, etc.

I would consider myself somewhat flirty, but it's always done in play, almost never as an attempt to actually court someone (where I tend to try the "mating dance" of Sagittarius), and so I've always thought it was more of a Mars-Venus thing (I have a sextile just outside of 3* between them; it's the only aspect that either has).

I'm especially taken with the "service-devoted assistant" type of theme presented in the longer description here on the forum. I much prefer being #2 over #1 (...but also prefer being #2 over any lower number ). Even given my Sag Sun and foreground Mars, I would rather be an expert consultant than a direct leader.
In any case though, I need to feel like I'm an integral part of a team that I'm serving, otherwise I have trouble feeling engaged. I think the tribalism of my Sag Sun helps with this, though.

Finally, I don't see this mentioned explicitly anywhere, but I have obsessive-compulsive disorder (diagnosed twice). I guess it's an expression of the "analytic and too serious" thing coupled with an overactive imagination, plus themes of environmental control, self-defense, perfectionism, etc.

Also don't see this mentioned for Moon in Virgo, only Sun in Virgo, but I'm very slight for a guy, at 5'6" and averaging 110 pounds for the last 10 years.

[Avshalom Binyamin]

I would point out an overlap between two groups, based on Jim's comment:

Virgo moon is common for writers, and historically the best writers have always come from lower and middle class backgrounds, not the educated elite.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

BTW, the woman I posted about is a Taurus sun, and was convicted of felony fraud and felony unlawful taking. In other words, a con-artist. She has an ex-husband in jail for felony fraud and embezzlement, and has involved at least one of her not-her-husbands in making porn, possibly with minors involved.

[Jim Eshelman]

BTW, the woman I posted about is a Taurus sun, and was convicted of felony fraud and felony unlawful taking. In other words, a con-artist. She has an ex-husband in jail for felony fraud and embezzlement, and has involved at least one of her not-her-husbands in making porn, possibly with minors involved.

Sounds like quite a peach!

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

A rotten one.

[Jim Eshelman]

I have finished my rewrite of Moon in Virgo, aided as usual by your excellent participation.

I'm not as happy about this as the others. It doesn't seem to have the single grip or through--line of the others, though it's far better than what I had before. Historically, I've always either overdone or underdone Virgo Moon. I don't think it's terrible, I think it's awkward.

You can read the whole thing in detail here:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=34&p=147#p147

Here is the short summary:

Curiosity, Service, Analysis. Mentally sharp, observant, curious, fact-driven, analytical, erudite, strategic (too serious). Intuitive. Service, devoted, contributing. Respectful, expects respect. Reason wrestles with emotion (stubborn, moody, nervous, touchy, worrying). Innocent, naïve (subservient). Victimized (abuse, ridicule, betrayal). Courageous and forthright.

[Soft Alpaca]

Interestingly you find Virgo Moons to be forthright. As for the Sagittarius attack, our dear AJ(J) {I call him Andrew jihad Jackson, not sorry.) was at the crux of destroying all culture perviously associated with the Americas, the largest move being the infamous trail of tears. And while his virgo Moon looked past class because basically the only class was settlers, his Sagittarius sun-neptune had already decided who was above and below (I still live in old republican, underground railroad type country, where they do not forget this).

As for the new version it feels like there is a key piece missing (and I'm not seeing enough examples (we don't have a large pool) of virgo Moon types we know personally and this is likely to be a part of this). I think brazen is a far better word than forthright.

[Jim Eshelman]

That's quite good, thanks - I'll use it. - You're right that forthright just missed the point, especially since this "courageous and forthright" behavior is primarily in how they stand up to wrong. Not all of them are routinely forthright (a few have more of the "cagey, plotting, perhaps deceptive" side.

Of synonyms, "audacious" is too noisy, "blatant" is too inelegant for most of them, "bold" fits exactly the way "courageous" does (and probably is even better - but "courageous" links the interpretation back to historic content, so it stays), "impudent" is all wrong exact when in a bratty fit, and "unabashed" is too shameless for Virgo.

So "courageous and forthright" in the full interp will become "courageous, bold (even brazen)."

[Jim Eshelman]

As for the Sagittarius attack, our dear AJ(J) {I call him Andrew jihad Jackson, not sorry.) was at the crux of destroying all culture perviously associated with the Americas, the largest move being the infamous trail of tears. And while his virgo Moon looked past class because basically the only class was settlers, his Sagittarius sun-neptune had already decided who was above and below (I still live in old republican, underground railroad type country, where they do not forget this).

As for Jackson, I'm not sure what the Sagittarius reference is since his Sun is in Pisces. - No need to be sorry for your views. As a lifelong Democrat, I assure you that the historic founder of the party is no reason has nothing to do with my affiliation: I'm rather ashamed of it, in fact (I'd have made a better Whig in those days) and I like to stretch history just a little and think of Thomas Jefferson as "where it all began."

Meanwhile, back to the astrology...

Jackson's birth time is highly uncertain - there are diverse accounts. He was born March 15, 1767 in Waxhaw, NC. Birth times are all over the place, one astrologer alone (the respected Ralph Kraum) giving both "midnight to sunrise" and "late at night" in different publications. Grant Lewi used 2:00 AM. Doris Chase Doane, in her Horoscopes of U.S. Presidents, gave (without explanation) the most repeated 7:36 AM. (Doane was horrible on sources and made mistakes in many of these charts, but some of the times she gave seem divinely bizarrely expressive of events.)

Regardless, his Sun was in Pisces. If he was born before 2:48 AM his Moon was in Leo, which has a certain fitness - his military career if nothing else - but I have much more confidence in it being in Virgo. Part of that is his "common man" theme. Even bigger, it seems to say so much about the Jackson vs. Quincy Adams rivalry that JQA was Gemini-Sagittarius and AJ was Pisces-Virgo, two Full Moon charts at right angles (and common cross purposes) to each other - showing many of the polarities inherent in the two men - as close to "being opposite each other" as two oppositions can be!

If the Doane 7:36 AM time happens to be right, he was born with Uranus rising in Aries, Pluto near MC in Sagittarius (much like the last several years of outer sign transits) and an anti-commoner, pro-elitist Moon-Jupiter conjunction that looks far too wide ecliptically but is only half a degree wide in mundo!

[Soft Alpaca]

I was talking about his neptune acting with Sagittarius America I think..

I think this is a time to mention that I'm seeing bleeding of Pisces/Sagittarius/Virgo Moons descriptions (just generally not on here specifically). Gemini I think stands out better on its own (Eris?)

[Jim Eshelman]

There is a lot of commonality among the Spokes. There's an overall discussion of Spokes here:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=36&p=168#p170

Are you seeing particular commonalities that aren't discussed (in principle) there?

[Soft Alpaca]

I think I'm seeing words steaming from the shared bi-polar nature in Virgo moon I think specifically that make it seemed a little washed out (like you said their is something awkward, I think maybe something missing). They key might be in how Mars interacts with Virgo (because I think people tend to make them into posey's when they most definitely are not, while they may look like it). This includes virgo Moons.

[Jim Eshelman]

A concise comparison of Sun, Moon, and Mars in Virgo:

Sun in VIRGO (Spoke: Mercury) STRATEGIC. ANALYTICAL. INNOCENT.
Curious, mentally sharp, strategic, tactical, analytical, logical, scrutinizing, encyclopedic, preserves information. Favors trees over forest. Bashful yet brazen. Respectful, tolerant, sociable, serious. Courageous in word and deed. Service-minded, conscientious. Active toward social progress (rarely radical). Androgynous traits.

Moon in VIRGO (Spoke: Mercury) CURIOSITY. SERVICE. ANALYSIS.
Mentally sharp, observant, curious, fact-driven, analytical, erudite, strategic (too serious). Intuitive. Service (devoted, contributing). Respectful, expects respect. Reason wrestles with emotion (stubborn, moody, nervous, touchy, worrying). Innocent, naïve (subservient). Victimized (abuse, ridicule, betrayal). Courageous, bold (brazen).

Mars in VIRGO (Spoke: Mercury)
Strategic, analytical, logical, calculating odds (often deceitful, covert, manipulative, gamey). Very smart, curious, astute, eager to learn everything possible (intelligence is more accessible than feelings). Stands ready to assist, help, support. Substance abuse (alcoholics).

[Soft Alpaca]

I like this Jim.