Death of Alexander the Great

[Jim Eshelman]

Alexander the Great died June 10 or 11, 323 BC, in Babylon, Mesopotamia (modern Hillah, Iraq). By all reports (despite their differences), this was by either accidental or (more likely) intentional poisoning. His death marked the end of the largest expansionist, imperial military endeavor known to history at that time, and one of the greatest. It should show mundanely as an event of great import.

We can use the midnight bridging June 10-11 as a "close enough" date for this. That event chart alone already looks like the event: Uranus conjoined Pluto within 0°24', a mark of fundamental changes in the world and overthrowing the old. It was the night of a New Moon partile square Mars, as if to indicate a violent attack of some sort. There is more, but that's enough to seed the soil.

What did the other mundane charts look like for the occasion? (I'm excluding Eris contacts because I don't trust our calculations that far back.)

Year: Capsolar (Silent.)
We almost got to start off brilliantly. Art first glance I thought we had Saturn at MC opposite Sun; but it's too far from the angle to give the chart voice.

Year: Cansolar {+3}
But the Cansolar, only a week short of expiring, had already set it up for us! - and supports the assassination theory. It's quite a chart, utterly fitting for the death of an emperor by treacherous poisoning.
Saturn on WP 0°19'
Venus on WP 0°44'
Jupiter on WP-a 1°19'
Moon & Mars widely foreground
-- Venus-Saturn op. 0°25'
-- Moon-Mars conj. 1°43'
-- Venus-Jupiter conj. 2°17' mundo
-- Jupiter-Saturn conj. 3°06'
-- Mars op. non-foreground Neptune 0°59'
Moon-Neptune op 2°42'

Bridge {+2}
This captured the period of the suspected poisoning under all theories.
t Neptune op. Cansolar Moon 4/22-6/19
t Saturn conj. Capsolar MC 5/13-6/16
Event window: May 13 to Jun 16

Quarter: Arisolar (Silent.)
Probably silent, but it's "on the edge" with Saturn 3°03' from Dsc and partile square Sun. So either we don't count it, or it's an easy +2. The Libsolar was an extremely positive chart with Jupiter precisely culminating near the degree of its exaltation and other similar features, so I doubt it survived to this point - suggesting that the Arisolar was indeed a viable chart.

Month: Caplunar (Silent.)

Week: Arilunar {-1}
Venus on WP 1°18', on Dsc 2°41'

Day: Capsolar Quotidian & Transits {+1/+2 = +2}
A few things are just off the Q angles too far, e.g., we get Capsolar Sun but don't quite get the Saturn that opposes it; and the Asc doesn't quite grab the New Moon that night or the Mars that squares it - just out of range. - But transits to Capsolar bring it home!
p MC conj. s Sun 0°51'
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t Saturn conj. Capsolar MC 1°23'

Day: Cansolar Quotidian & Transits {+1}
Precision of these depends on the exact time, of course.
p Asc conj. t Neptune 1°38'
p MC sq. p Moon 0°19'
p EP op. t Sun 1°38' [the New Moon]
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t Neptune op. s Moon 0°16' [the Cansolar Moon-Mars-Neptune trio]

[SteveS]

for the Cansolar!

Take a look at the eclipto June 11 Canlunar for Hillah, Iraq 323 BC:
https://ibb.co/zhS6r3F
UR/PL on DSC
Mars partile 90 Sun.
Neptune foreground.

[Jim Eshelman]

for the Cansolar!

Take a look at the eclipto June 11 Canlunar for Hillah, Iraq 323 BC:
https://ibb.co/zhS6r3F
UR/PL on DSC
Mars partile 90 Sun.
Neptune foreground.

Ah, I didn't look forward... I guess it didn't occur to me that we might have been a day or so too early. Yes, this Canlunar, occurring about 5 PM June 11, has:

Uranus on Dsc 0°20'
Neptune on EP 0°27'
Pluto on Dsc 2°49'
-- Uranus-Pluto conj. 0°26'
-- Mercury-Pluto sq. 1°32' PVP

Cool!

[Danica]

Alexander the Great died June 10 or 11, 323 BC, in Babylon, Mesopotamia (modern Hillah, Iraq). By all reports (despite their differences), this was by either accidental or (more likely) intentional poisoning. His death marked the end of the largest expansionist, imperial military endeavor known to history at that time, and one of the greatest. It should show mundanely as an event of great import.

Jim, this is fascinating!!!

I have not seen, nor known about, this thread until now this very moment!!!

Yesterday in the AM hours, I was thinking about Alexander the Great and his role in history, remembering (and aware of the specific strange quality of the deep intimacy and connection in it) how he’s been one of my most beloved characters in history, since the time of first learning about him as a kid (the memory of the history class in Elementary school came! and awareness of the specific condition the psyche was then, and still is, whenever thinking of him - the life/historical person).

Then in the afternoon, from cca 15h till 16h, have experienced what can be, without hyperbole, described as: among the worst experiences in this life’s time memory. Am still processing it.
A psychological state came that’s hard, if not fully impossible, to verbally depict; and with it, bodily condition of chaos-and-death (for lack of better words); followed by projectile feces release and vomiting. The typical poisoning condition, but *intense* and unlike anything else known so far. I fell asleep after this, and was asleep all evening, woke at midnight.

And have been processing this, and looking at the transits (to rx and SSR), trying to understand what was this about. No indicators that would portray this kind of experience, in all charts I’ve checked. There’s, on the contrary, lots of Venus, Venus all over!

And the thing that has been keeping attention on itself re the astro indicator of this particular moment in time is the Moon-Mars opposition in the sky, at 5*25 - 5*27’ Sco-Tau, respectively. But it doesn’t tie to anything in my charts.

( Feel free to delete this post, if redundant, am aware that this is the Mundane section and post... had to share for the mind blowing strangness of this, as sequence of events)

Edit: written the above before started reading the analysis, only seeing the first two, intro, paragraphs you’ve written.
Reading further now. Wooow.

[Jim Eshelman]

Then in the afternoon, from cca 15h till 16h, have experienced what can be, without hyperbole, described as: among the worst experiences in this life’s time memory. Am still processing it. A psychological state came that’s hard, if not fully impossible, to verbally depict; and with it, bodily condition of chaos-and-death (for lack of better words); followed by projectile feces release and vomiting. The typical poisoning condition, but *intense* and unlike anything else known so far. I fell asleep after this, and was asleep all evening, woke at midnight.

Danica, I'm so sorry to hear you going through this . I can at once see the association in Alexander's story for this event. - Early yesterday morning, Alexander came to mind while I was working on the Moon in Libra rewrite, since he's one of the first names on my list of (non-personal) examples. I started looking at his traditional chart again and spent about an hour going through rederiving it - we know the date quite exactly in the ancient Attic calendar, but there's about a three-day range of how that translates to the Julian calendar, and we know the time only from legend. The natal fits quite well and has some fitting conditions for major events, but in other ways fails events so I'm not at all sure we have the time etc. - Deciding I had nothing meaningful to write about his natal, I thought it would still be interesting to run the mundane charts for his death and - Whoo!

To say a little about your chart: I've noticed you responding strongly to Sedna in the past, especially with responses resembling what you described above. Yesterday, at the peak of this, transiting Uranus was 0°06' from conjunct your natal Sedna FWIW - it's the only outstanding transit of the day.

On a simpler level, for the day, your SNQ MC was 6°55' Aries, meaning that your Sun-Saturn was right along the meridian, presuming you're still in Encino. Transiting Saturn was just out of 1° orb with Q Descendant (so the Uranus transit to Sedna was not quite in orb of direct contact with Q angles).

What makes no sense at all to me, but might to you, is that you had a 0°00' progressed Moon-Venus opposition! This is minutes from octile you're Uranus, within a degree of progressed Sun, etc. but in no sense afflicted unless you consider that it is 0°04' from square transiting Eris.

But by far the strangest thing I see (in the short look I'm taking right now) is that, if Alexander the Great was born when I think he was (or, at least, yesterday was concluding he probably was), then his Moon was 28°59' Libra. Yesterday, at about 3:30 PM when all this was peaking for you, transiting Moon was 29°48' Libra, and transiting Uranus (the same transiting Uranus with which I started these remarks) was 0°00' from his natal Midheaven. (Life seen through the lens of astrology is freakin' bizarre sometimes - wheels within wheels within wheels.)

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Dani, that sounds like food poisoning. Check back 24 to 48 hours before the episode both what and where you ate, and the astrology from then. If you can figure out where you got the bad food and what it was, you can maybe avoid another episode. Because the astrology isn't personally indicative, it may be a community event and a lot of people got sick.

[Danica]

Thank you for looking it up. I’m in Northridge.
(Am otherwise, before this springing-out-of-nowhere’ event, and after - feeling quite Okay, nothing unusual in my physical and emotional condition nor circumstances around, whatsoever.)

I have noticed the precision of the Sec. Prog. Moon-Venus, but didn’t look at quotidian charts (they have showed non-functional, whenever I looked in the past, so gave up on checking them, a few years ago.). The tr Uranus on rx Sedna degree-of-exactitude: I haven’t considered; but that quite makes sense.
P.S. I also see now that natally, my Sedna’s position is at the Midpoint between the Sun and Mars; making a note on it, not a conclusion - rushing into such at this time, especially when Sedna is concerned, is fully non-adequate!